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How Democrats Can Regain the Trust of Americans
« on: November 27, 2014, 05:33:25 PM »
Will they listen and learn?


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Re: How Democrats Can Regain the Trust of Americans
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2014, 05:35:25 PM »
Naturally, there would be infighting.

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Democrats have a new internal battle: the middle class vs. the poor
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By Zachary A. Goldfarb November 26 at 2:40 PM

On Tuesday, an emerging $450 billion tax deal on Capitol Hill hit a snag when liberal Democrats and the White House insisted it also include a permanent expansion of low-income tax credits that have been a quiet but critical feature of President Obama's anti-poverty policy since 2009. Before the uproar, Democrats appeared willing to accept the deal, which was to extend tax provisions benefiting industries large and small, in part because Republicans agreed to include a tax credit that makes it easier to pay for college. That is largely a middle-class policy.

Also on Tuesday, Sen. Charles Schumer criticized the White House and Democrats for pursuing passage of the Affordable Care Act in 2010 rather than continuing "to propose middle-class-oriented programs." The New York Democrat added that "Democrats blew the opportunity." The Affordable Care Act has many features, many of which are designed to aid the middle class, but the preponderance of the beneficiaries are poor or working class. Former White House officials ridiculed Schumer for the comment, and it no doubt angered current officials, too.

The disputes echo a broader debate within the Democratic camp that intensified this month after the mid-term elections about whether the party is too liberal or not liberal enough. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) appointed Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) to Senate leadership as a nod to the idea that more populist voices need to be leading the party.

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Re: How Democrats Can Regain the Trust of Americans
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2014, 11:19:35 PM »
Translation :tiptoe:

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Re: How Democrats Can Regain the Trust of Americans
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2014, 11:28:38 AM »
How can they regain trust?  Have a backbone. Don't be cowards. Obama isn't popular right now but he is the horse that got them majorities in both houses. His stock was down and many of then ran away from him. But the voters who support him saw that and didn't vote for many of them

Stand up for what you believe in. Democrats have to be more to people than "not republicans". Define a platform.  Stand on it. Run on it.


Many don't like the gop platform. But you clearly know what it is. And like it or not they stand buy it. Lower taxes. Pro life. Pro business. Always the same.


Democrats  platform has become a vague "we want to help you". But the details are becoming less and less clear.  You want to reenergize voters?  Stand up and fight for what you believe in.



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Re: How Democrats Can Regain the Trust of Americans
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2014, 11:34:49 AM »
How can they regain trust?  Have a backbone. Don't be cowards. Obama isn't popular right now but he is the horse that got them majorities in both houses. His stock was down and many of then ran away from him. But the voters who support him saw that and didn't vote for many of them

Stand up for what you believe in. Democrats have to be more to people than "not republicans". Define a platform.  Stand on it. Run on it.


Many don't like the gop platform. But you clearly know what it is. And like it or not they stand buy it. Lower taxes. Pro life. Pro business. Always the same.


Democrats  platform has become a vague "we want to help you". But the details are becoming less and less clear.  You want to reenergize voters?  Stand up and fight for what you believe in.

What scstatealum said!!!!

PLUS....Progressives need to wake the F up and realize that they, as Obama warned, have made "perfect the enemy of good!"

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Re: How Democrats Can Regain the Trust of Americans
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2014, 12:41:25 PM »
The party needs a fifty state strategy like former Gov. Howard Dean has repeated. They also need to improve the ground game after an election.

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Re: How Democrats Can Regain the Trust of Americans
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2014, 09:29:39 PM »
I agree with SCStatealum. The Dems have no backbone whatsoever.  Moreover, if they weren't going to stand by "Obama Care," they shouldn't have voted for it and forced it down our throats.  It's not even Obama's plan, for crying out loud.  It's Hilary's plan.  Hilary and Obama fought it out in the debate over health care.  The main difference was the whether or not it should be mandated, which is what she wanted, and Obama won.  Yet, the Dems in both houses forced that mandate on Obama and Americans alike.  And they have the nerve to run away from it?  I'm glad they lost both houses just because of that!

Obama should have stayed to center and held lawmakers on both side of the aisle feet to the fire.  But he allowed himself to be bullied by his party as well as his opponents.  To me, that's a true sign of weakness.


PS:  How can the Dems regain Americans' trust?  Say what you mean, mean what you say...  period.  

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Re: How Democrats Can Regain the Trust of Americans
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2014, 04:31:29 PM »
DAW,

I appreciate your comments and your (apparent) frustration.

This may not be the time or place to relitigate ObamaCare, but...

On the mandate:
The only way - short of Single Payer - to make a near-universal system work is to require the "free loaders" to participate.  The free loaders (many but not all of them young and healthy) are those who choose not to purchase health insurance and then when they get sick, the rest of us pay for them through higher hospital costs (and premiums) and higher taxes to offset the free loaders' highly expensive emergency room bills for illness and accidents.

So, I would contend that when Obama and his advisers dug into it, they discovered that a mandate was an essential element of a workable plan (...since Single Payer was DOA politically).

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