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From an email forwarded to me, but here's the link [ http://www.salon.com/2013/10/18/inside_the_fox_news_lie_machine_i_fact_checked_sean_hannity_on_obamacare/  ]:

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I happened to turn on the Hannity show on Fox News last Friday evening. “Average Americans are feeling the pain of Obamacare and the healthcare overhaul train wreck,” Hannity announced, “and six of them are here tonight to tell us their stories.” Three married couples were neatly arranged in his studio, the wives seated and the men standing behind them, like game show contestants.

As Hannity called on each of them, the guests recounted their “Obamacare” horror stories: canceled policies, premium hikes, restrictions on the freedom to see a doctor of their choice, financial burdens upon their small businesses and so on.
“These are the stories that the media refuses to cover,” Hannity interjected.
But none of it smelled right to me. Nothing these folks were saying jibed with the basic facts of the Affordable Care Act as I understand them. I understand them fairly well; I have worked as a senior adviser to a governor and helped him deal with the new federal rules.


I decided to hit the pavement. I tracked down Hannity’s guests, one by one, and did my own telephone interviews with them.
 
First I spoke with Paul Cox of Leicester, N.C. He and his wife Michelle had lamented to Hannity that because of Obamacare, they can’t grow their construction business and they have kept their employees below a certain number of hours, so that they are part-timers.

Obamacare has no effect on businesses with 49 employees or less. But in our brief conversation on the phone, Paul revealed that he has only four employees. Why the cutback on his workforce? “Well,” he said, “I haven’t been forced to do so, it’s just that I’ve chosen to do so. I have to deal with increased costs.” What costs? And how, I asked him, is any of it due to Obamacare? There was a long pause, after which he said he’d call me back. He never did.
 
There is only one Obamacare requirement that applies to a company of this size: workers must be notified of the existence of the “healthcare.gov” website, the insurance exchange. That’s all.
 
Next I called Allison Denijs. She’d told Hannity that she pays over $13,000 a year in premiums. Like the other guests, she said she had recently gotten a letter from Blue Cross saying that her policy was being terminated and a new, ACA-compliant policy would take its place. She says this shows that Obama lied when he promised Americans that we could keep our existing policies.
 
Allison’s husband left his job a few years ago, one with benefits at a big company, to start his own business. Since then they’ve been buying insurance on the open market, and are now paying around $1,100 a month for a policy with a $2,500 deductible per family member, with hefty annual premium hikes. One of their two children is not covered under the policy. She has a preexisting condition that would require purchasing additional coverage for $600 a month, which would bring the family’s grand total to around $20,000 a year.

I asked Allison if she’d shopped on the exchange, to see what a plan might cost under the new law. She said she hadn’t done so because she’d heard the website was not working. Would she try it out when it’s up and running? Perhaps, she said. She told me she has long opposed Obamacare, and that the president should have focused on tort reform as a solution to bringing down the price of healthcare.
 
I tried an experiment and shopped on the exchange for Allison and Kurt. Assuming they don’t smoke and have a household income too high to be eligible for subsidies, I found that they would be able to get a plan for around $7,600, which would include coverage for their uninsured daughter. This would be about a 60 percent reduction from what they would have to pay on the pre-Obamacare market.
 
Allison also told me that the letter she received from Blue Cross said that in addition to the policy change for ACA compliance, in the new policy her physician network size might be reduced. That’s something insurance companies do to save money, with or without Obamacare on the horizon, just as they raise premiums with or without Obamacare coming.

If Allison’s choice of doctor was denied her through Obamacare then, yes, she could have a claim that Obamacare has hurt her. But she’d also have thousands of dollars in her pocket that she didn’t have before.
 
Finally, I called Robbie and Tina Robison from Franklin, Tenn. Robbie is self-employed as a Christian youth motivational speaker. (You can see his work here.) On Hannity, the couple said that they, too, were recently notified that their Blue Cross policy would be expiring for lack of ACA compliance. They told Hannity that the replacement plans Blue Cross was offering would come with a rate increase of 50 percent or even 75 percent, and that the new offerings would contain all sorts of benefits they don’t need, like maternity care, pediatric care, prenatal care and so forth. Their kids are grown and moved out, so why should they be forced to pay extra for a health plan with superfluous features?
 
When I spoke to Robbie, he said he and Tina have been paying a little over $800 a month for their plan, about $10,000 a year. And the ACA-compliant policy that will cost 50-75 percent more? They said this information was related to them by their insurance agent.
 
Had they shopped on the exchange yet, I asked? No, Tina said, nor would they. They oppose Obamacare and want nothing to do with it. Fair enough, but they should know that I found a plan for them for, at most, $3,700 a year, 63 percent less than their current bill. It might cover things that they don’t need, but so does every insurance policy.
 
It’s true that we don’t know for sure whether certain ills conservatives have warned about will occur once Obamacare is fully enacted. For example, will we truly have the same freedom to choose a physician that we have now? Will a surplus of insured patients require a scaling back (or “rationing,” as some call it) of provided healthcare services? Will doctors be able to spend as much time with patients? These are all valid, unanswered questions. The problem is that people like Sean Hannity have decided to answer them now, without evidence. Or worse, with fake evidence.
 
I don’t doubt that these six individuals believe that Obamacare is a disaster; but none of them had even visited the insurance exchange. And some of them appear to have taken actions (Paul Cox, for example) based on a general pessimistic belief about Obamacare. He’s certainly entitled to do so, but Hannity is not entitled to point to Paul’s behavior as an “Obamacare train wreck story” and maintain any credibility that he might have as a journalist.
 
Strangely, the recent shutdown was based almost entirely on a small percentage of Congress’s belief that Obamacare, as Ted Cruz puts it, “is destroying America.” Cruz has rarely given us an example of what he’s talking about. That’s because the best he can do is what Hannity did—exploit people’s ignorance and falsely point to imaginary boogeymen.

Update: To check the plans I used this useful calculator from the Kaiser Family Foundation.
http://www.salon.com/writer/eric_stern/
Eric Stern lives in Helena, Montana. He was senior counsel to Brian Schweitzer, former Governor.

WOW!!!!!!  Three for three misrepresentations!!!!  It's a small sample, but that IS 100%.

Did Hannity know there were HUGE holes in these folks' stories?  He should be vetting his guests.
But more importantly, Does he CARE?
Or, is he just eager to have ANYbody on who will denounce ObamaCare?

A couple more questions:
What are the odds that Hannity will do a follow up with these same folks?
Or that Mr. Cox will finally call back?
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Re: Is this the best yet example of distortions and lies on FoxNews?
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2013, 04:30:27 PM »
Bison.....thanks for setting me straight.....I never realized that the  Sean Hannity Show is the same as Fox News. Cleared all the confusion right up. GO VIKINGS!!!




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Re: Is this the best yet example of distortions and lies on FoxNews?
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2013, 05:07:20 PM »
Hannity only repeats what the other dummies say. Rush is a crack head and Bill is a flip flopper woman chaser.

Bison.....thanks for setting me straight.....I never realized that the  Sean Hannity Show is the same as Fox News. Cleared all the confusion right up. GO VIKINGS!!!




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Re: Is this the best yet example of distortions and lies on FoxNews?
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2013, 07:19:35 PM »
Bison.....thanks for setting me straight.....I never realized that the  Sean Hannity Show is the same as Fox News. Cleared all the confusion right up. GO VIKINGS!!!

quib·ble verb \ˈkwi-bəl\ : to argue or complain about small, unimportant things

1:  to evade the point of an argument by caviling about words

Cavil  -- to raise trivial and frivolous objection

The title of the thread says .... distortions and lies on Fox News.

Doesn't Sean Hannity host a show on the Fox News Channel  :shrug:


Gee Whiz.
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Re: Is this the best yet example of distortions and lies on FoxNews?
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2013, 11:35:21 PM »
Bison.....thanks for setting me straight.....I never realized that the  Sean Hannity Show is the same as Fox News. Cleared all the confusion right up. GO VIKINGS!!!

THIS IS THE BEST YOU GOT????  THAT is pitiful.

I see you are picking isht with chickens along with y04!!!

And you think YOU'll be happy if some Conservatives respond to our invitation?

You have NO IDEA!!!!!!!

On what channel, uchi, do YOU watch The Hannity Show?

Thanks, Wildman!
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Re: Is this the best yet example of distortions and lies on FoxNews?
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2013, 07:26:04 AM »
Bison.....thanks for setting me straight.....I never realized that the  Sean Hannity Show is the same as Fox News. Cleared all the confusion right up. GO VIKINGS!!!

quib·ble verb \ˈkwi-bəl\ : to argue or complain about small, unimportant things

1:  to evade the point of an argument by caviling about words

Cavil  -- to raise trivial and frivolous objection

The title of the thread says .... distortions and lies on Fox News.

Doesn't Sean Hannity host a show on the Fox News Channel  :shrug:


Gee Whiz.

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Re: Is this the best yet example of distortions and lies on FoxNews?
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2013, 10:37:08 AM »
I don't consider the Hannity show a "news" program.... if YOU do....now I understand why your mental state is what it is. GO VIKINGS!!!

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Re: Is this the best yet example of distortions and lies on FoxNews?
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2013, 10:50:33 AM »
I don't consider the Hannity show a "news" program.... if YOU do....now I understand why your mental state is what it is. GO VIKINGS!!!

Yeah, and I guess we have always known what your mental state is.  ::)

Oh yeah, Hannity just discusses news/politics/and current events on the Fox News network.

Whether you or anyone consider Hannity to be a news program is not really relevant.

But you are still quilbbling. The point or issue here is whether Hannity is intentionally presenting false information on the Fox News Channel.

Instead of discussing the real issue, you would rather quibble about whether Hannity is a news program.

Really?  :shrug: Dayum

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Re: Is this the best yet example of distortions and lies on FoxNews?
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2013, 10:56:05 AM »
I don't consider the Hannity show a "news" program.... if YOU do....now I understand why your mental state is what it is. GO VIKINGS!!!

So are you agreeing that Hannity is full of shat?

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Re: Is this the best yet example of distortions and lies on FoxNews?
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2013, 11:00:10 AM »
Yup.....Dayum. Read the freaking title of the thread then get back to me. Do you consider Maddow/ Matthews and the rest of that group on MSNBC news reporters or just giving commentary / opinions ? GO VIKINGS!!!

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Re: Is this the best yet example of distortions and lies on FoxNews?
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2013, 11:34:26 AM »
Yup.....Dayum. Read the freaking title of the thread then get back to me. Do you consider Maddow/ Matthews and the rest of that group on MSNBC news reporters or just giving commentary / opinions ? GO VIKINGS!!!

So Faux News fashions itself as a network that is fair and balanced yet they have a host on one of their programs that had outright frauds on his program. Don't you think Faux should take some action against Mr. Hannity?

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Re: Is this the best yet example of distortions and lies on FoxNews?
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2013, 11:35:08 AM »
Yup.....Dayum. Read the freaking title of the thread then get back to me. Do you consider Maddow/ Matthews and the rest of that group on MSNBC news reporters or just giving commentary / opinions ? GO VIKINGS!!!

I read the title of the thread - Is this the best yet example of distortions and lies on Fox News  -- and your point would be ....... :shrug:

Hannity, Maddows, and Matthews, present news, opinons, and commentary and all three appear on News Networks.


Is Hannity a news show?  ::) Well that is debatable?  What is not debatable is that the Hannity show appears on the Fox News Channel.

However, whether Hannity is technically a talk show, a news show or a combination of both is not the issue.

The issue is whether Hannity is presenting distortions and lies on his show.

Why don't you discuss that instead "quibbling" about whether Hannity is a news program.

Or are you conceding that Hannity did present  lies and distortions on his show, but it's not a big deal because Hannity is not a news show.  :shrug:

Whatever man  :no:  ::)  >:(
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Re: Is this the best yet example of distortions and lies on FoxNews?
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2013, 11:49:46 AM »
LIAR!!!!!!!



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Re: Is this the best yet example of distortions and lies on FoxNews?
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2013, 12:05:22 PM »
LIAR!!!!!!!




That's old news. We already established that Hannity and his guests were liars.

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Re: Is this the best yet example of distortions and lies on FoxNews?
« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2013, 12:08:10 PM »
LIAR!!!!!!!




Seems to me you are deflecting  ---  directing people's attention or criticism away from a subject or issue to something else.   :shrug:

This thread is about lies Hannity purportedly presented  on his show. Are you conceding that Hannity lied?



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