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Re: Y,Oldsport,Uchi. A discussion on conservatism
« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2013, 11:05:59 AM »
No Child Left Behind wasn't even good on paper.
Kinda like Obamacare. :lmao: GO VIKINGS!!!

Exactly.

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Re: Y,Oldsport,Uchi. A discussion on conservatism
« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2013, 11:31:31 AM »
I'm basically on board with Y and OS. I think educational standards should be set at the local level....the feds should never be involved unless a fed law is broken. People at the local level know what's needed in their schools a lot more than DC does.....that's why we have school boards. GO VIKINGS!!!

I think I get it. So when state/local school systems start to re-write HIStory in their textbooks and "lessen" the effects of some historical institutions which favored a certain majority of folks, they won't have the nosey folks from the nation's capital who know better telling them to stop spreading that poison to the kids who should know the real story...

Yeah, I get it....
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Re: Y,Oldsport,Uchi. A discussion on conservatism
« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2013, 11:35:50 AM »
I'm basically on board with Y and OS. I think educational standards should be set at the local level....the feds should never be involved unless a fed law is broken. People at the local level know what's needed in their schools a lot more than DC does.....that's why we have school boards. GO VIKINGS!!!

I think I get it. So when state/local school systems start to re-write HIStory in their textbooks and "lessen" the effects of some historical institutions which favored a certain majority of folks, they won't have the nosey folks from the nation's capital who know better telling them to stop spreading that poison to the kids who should know the real story...

Yeah, I get it....

Sounds like you want things to be like they were in Nazi Germany. By the way, liberal (socialists/communists) poison revisionist (lying) history is already being spread to kids in most public schools as well as American Universities and Colleges.

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Re: Y,Oldsport,Uchi. A discussion on conservatism
« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2013, 11:37:57 AM »
I'm basically on board with Y and OS. I think educational standards should be set at the local level....the feds should never be involved unless a fed law is broken. People at the local level know what's needed in their schools a lot more than DC does.....that's why we have school boards. GO VIKINGS!!!

I think I get it. So when state/local school systems start to re-write HIStory in their textbooks and "lessen" the effects of some historical institutions which favored a certain majority of folks, they won't have the nosey folks from the nation's capital who know better telling them to stop spreading that poison to the kids who should know the real story...

Yeah, I get it....

Sounds like you want things to be like they were in Nazi Germany. By the way, liberal (socialists/communists) poison revisionist (lying) history is already being spread to kids in most public schools as well as American Universities and Colleges.

Difference.

Nazi Germany spread false info.

In the instance I presented, the gov't would be blowing the whistle on false info.
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Re: Y,Oldsport,Uchi. A discussion on conservatism
« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2013, 11:45:12 AM »
Funck, the electorate of each state will have make sure the truth is told in history class.  The democrats had a coup d'etat in 1898.  They will only want the history books to say that the democrats became the majority that year.  Not how.  Not how they disenfranchised Blacks.  They will never allow it.  At best Black North Carolinians know about the Wilmington Riots of 1898.  What they don't know is that it was also statewide.  

The feds aren't going to help teach the truth.  
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Re: Y,Oldsport,Uchi. A discussion on conservatism
« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2013, 12:16:59 PM »
From an educational point if view, all the top tier countries have strong national standards.

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Re: Y,Oldsport,Uchi. A discussion on conservatism
« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2013, 01:03:01 PM »
From an educational point if view, all the top tier countries have strong national standards.

They also don't have separate local standards.  That was the problem with No Child Left Behind.  A school could do great on the local level and fail No Child Left Behind or vice versa.  It made no sense. 
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Re: Y,Oldsport,Uchi. A discussion on conservatism
« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2013, 01:07:34 PM »
From an educational point if view, all the top tier countries have strong national standards.

They also don't have separate local standards.  That was the problem with No Child Left Behind.  A school could do great on the local level and fail No Child Left Behind or vice versa.  It made no sense. 

That's the purpose of the common core. You can have your local stuff but there should be a national standard.

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Re: Y,Oldsport,Uchi. A discussion on conservatism
« Reply #23 on: August 01, 2013, 02:11:36 PM »
From an educational point if view, all the top tier countries have strong national standards.

They also don't have separate local standards.  That was the problem with No Child Left Behind.  A school could do great on the local level and fail No Child Left Behind or vice versa.  It made no sense. 

That's the purpose of the common core. You can have your local stuff but there should be a national standard.

No Child Left Behind should have been the standard for the common core.  And left room for local stuff.  The problem is it didn't allow for that.  Yet, they allowed the locals to have their own standards.  The local and the feds clashed.  No Child Left Behind should have put the federal foot down and withheld funds if they didn't walk the federal line.  The whole thing was wishy washy from the beginning. 
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Re: Y,Oldsport,Uchi. A discussion on conservatism
« Reply #24 on: August 01, 2013, 02:17:01 PM »
From an educational point if view, all the top tier countries have strong national standards.

They also don't have separate local standards.  That was the problem with No Child Left Behind.  A school could do great on the local level and fail No Child Left Behind or vice versa.  It made no sense. 

That's the purpose of the common core. You can have your local stuff but there should be a national standard.

No Child Left Behind should have been the standard for the common core.  And left room for local stuff.  The problem is it didn't allow for that.  Yet, they allowed the locals to have their own standards.  The local and the feds clashed.  No Child Left Behind should have put the federal foot down and withheld funds if they didn't walk the federal line.  The whole thing was wishy washy from the beginning. 

That's a good point but NCLB wasn't about standards, it was just about outcomes. I think NCLB attempted to please everyone. You set the goal but how you get there is up to you.

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Re: Y,Oldsport,Uchi. A discussion on conservatism
« Reply #25 on: August 01, 2013, 04:07:51 PM »
I'm basically on board with Y and OS. I think educational standards should be set at the local level....the feds should never be involved unless a fed law is broken. People at the local level know what's needed in their schools a lot more than DC does.....that's why we have school boards. GO VIKINGS!!!

I think I get it. So when state/local school systems start to re-write HIStory in their textbooks and "lessen" the effects of some historical institutions which favored a certain majority of folks, they won't have the nosey folks from the nation's capital who know better telling them to stop spreading that poison to the kids who should know the real story...

Yeah, I get it....
Most of the revisonist history that I've heard about doesn't show America in the best light so what are you trying to say? GO VIKINGS!!!

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Re: Y,Oldsport,Uchi. A discussion on conservatism
« Reply #26 on: August 02, 2013, 03:49:41 PM »
I think the broader questions that Neymar raised are more interesting, but....

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....the feds should never be involved unless a fed law is broken.

I gather that No Child Left Behind would be such a fed law? ? ?
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I was not a supporter of No Child Left Behind.

Which begs the question:

When you claimed on this board that YOU were not as loyal to Bush as Obama supporters are now to Obama and that you and others raised concerns, WAS "NO CHILD" one of the concerns you raised?

Never mind because the answer is NO!
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Re: Y,Oldsport,Uchi. A discussion on conservatism
« Reply #27 on: August 02, 2013, 05:58:59 PM »
I think the broader questions that Neymar raised are more interesting, but....

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....the feds should never be involved unless a fed law is broken.

I gather that No Child Left Behind would be such a fed law? ? ?
O0

I was not a supporter of No Child Left Behind.

Which begs the question:

When you claimed on this board that YOU were not as loyal to Bush as Obama supporters are now to Obama and that you and others raised concerns, WAS "NO CHILD" one of the concerns you raised?

Never mind because the answer is NO!
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As far as I'm concerned that was small potatoes considering everything else that was going on......plus I am very fortunate to live in one of the best school districts in the state of California. No Child has ever been a factor. GO VIKINGS!!!

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Re: Y,Oldsport,Uchi. A discussion on conservatism
« Reply #28 on: August 03, 2013, 11:36:03 PM »
I think the broader questions that Neymar raised are more interesting, but....

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....the feds should never be involved unless a fed law is broken.

I gather that No Child Left Behind would be such a fed law? ? ?
O0

I was not a supporter of No Child Left Behind.

Which begs the question:

When you claimed on this board that YOU were not as loyal to Bush as Obama supporters are now to Obama and that you and others raised concerns, WAS "NO CHILD" one of the concerns you raised?

Never mind because the answer is NO!
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As far as I'm concerned that was small potatoes considering everything else that was going on......plus I am very fortunate to live in one of the best school districts in the state of California. No Child has ever been a factor. GO VIKINGS!!!
uchi, thanks for your comment.

I was actually talking to OS, however.  I didn't have the pleasure of knowing you during those years.

OS claimed that he had voiced concerns or opposition to Bush policies, but it didn't happen.  Not on the boards where many of us interacted with him during those years.  Didn't happen.  Just more of his revisionist BS.

That was the point I was making.
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Re: Y,Oldsport,Uchi. A discussion on conservatism
« Reply #29 on: August 04, 2013, 11:56:57 PM »
I'm basically on board with Y and OS. I think educational standards should be set at the local level....the feds should never be involved unless a fed law is broken. People at the local level know what's needed in their schools a lot more than DC does.....that's why we have school boards. GO VIKINGS!!!

I think I get it. So when state/local school systems start to re-write HIStory in their textbooks and "lessen" the effects of some historical institutions which favored a certain majority of folks, they won't have the nosey folks from the nation's capital who know better telling them to stop spreading that poison to the kids who should know the real story...

Yeah, I get it....
Most of the revisonist history that I've heard about doesn't show America in the best light so what are you trying to say? GO VIKINGS!!!

What you meant is, the actual non "white-washed" history doesn't show America in the best light at times. Truth is.... Historically, America had achieved greatness in many facets. And , America has showed it's way less than perfect side in the annals of history.

That is not what I am TRYING to say. That is what I am SAYING...
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