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Die Walkure (The Valkyrie)
« on: April 13, 2013, 12:20:32 PM »
........don't know how many of you peeps are classical music/opera fans, but your humble poster is listening right now, live from The Metropolitan Opera house in NYC, to Richard Wagner's (German) masterpiece, The Walkure, the second of his four music-dramas collectively known as The Ring. Walkure has some of the most beautiful, lush and romantic/erotic music ever written. It requires absolute top notch singers and orchestral musicians if done well. But it calls for singers with heroic voices with great stamina. You could ruin your voice if you sing this stuff too early in your career.

Act I is ending as I make this post, but Act III is especially moving for me as the god Wotan must punish his most loyal and trusting daughter, Brunnhilde, for disobeying him. His farewell to her will elicit tears if you know what's going on.

On your humble poster's bucket list: to see live a complete Ring Cycle in either NYC, Chicago, Seattle, or even at Bayreuth, Germany at the festival held every summer at the festival house specially built to produce Wagner's works.  ;D
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Re: Die Walkure (The Valkyrie)
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2013, 12:33:19 PM »
Die Walküre seems to be standard fare on NPR these days. Cant say I am too keen of it overall although the composition at the start of Act III is memorable.

I just feel, and this might be elitist, that Germanic operas often leave much to be desired compared to their romantic counterparts. Its just a flow issue to me it seems.


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Re: Die Walkure (The Valkyrie)
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2013, 12:34:33 PM »
Wow, I thought you were more of a "Float, Float On" by the Floaters man.   :lol:

If you recall, we had a similar discussion on the old MEAC site.  I'm more of a Shostakovich fan.

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« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2013, 01:26:54 PM »
Die Walküre seems to be standard fare on NPR these days. Cant say I am too keen of it overall although the composition at the start of Act III is memorable.

I just feel, and this might be elitist, that Germanic operas often leave much to be desired compared to their romantic counterparts. Its just a flow issue to me it seems.
..........interesting comment. 

It really IS a matter of taste.  I make no argument for Germanic opera, generally, romantic or otherwise, but have really appreciated Wagner's music for sometime now.  But even THAT appreciation does not extend to ALL of his works; I am STILL trying to understand/appreciate his last written work, Parsifal, even though it has religious themes.

Btw, the very first time I heard Die Walkure, it was given to me by an office colleague in the late 80's, consisting of around 7-8 cassette tapes.  Neymar and some of you other young peeps probably don't even know what a cassette tape is.  :lol:  They preceded cd's, which, too, are now becoming out of vogue.  Anyway, when I first heard it, all it sounded like to my ears was ALOT of nonsensical, hollering and screaming.  I remember my initial reaction upon listening to, say, the first tape was, what in the HELL is this?  :o  I was too ignorant then to even know the singing was in German.  Wagner is not the accessible kind of music to the novice classical/opera fan.  You really have to read, study and listen to excerpts of a particular drama for the fullest appreciation.


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« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2013, 01:36:45 PM »
Wow, I thought you were more of a "Float, Float On" by the Floaters man.   :lol:

If you recall, we had a similar discussion on the old MEAC site.  I'm more of a Shostakovich fan.
:laugh:...............c'mon, homeboy, don't pigeonhole a brutha.  Perhaps you were unaware, its the 21st century, frat, ALL negroes had damn well better be DIVERSE and appreciate alot of stuff.  ;D And I guess you did not graduate from Dean Mobley's School of Business and Industry.  Dr. Mobley made it CLEAR that she did not want her students going out into the world and embarrassing her and the university.  We HAD to have exposure to stuff that Europeans like so we could compete.  :lol:

But no doubt, bruh, yeah I like the Floaters, Commodores, Jackson 5, and a WHOLE lot of other 70's music.  Man, THAT was the decade for R&B/black music, and I'm sure you will agree.  I heard some clown on Tom Joyner Morning Show state either yesterday or the day before that the 90's music was the bomb..............BULLSIHT!?!?  >:(  :laugh:.

Btw, Shostakovich sounds to my ears the same way that Wagner did the first time I was exposed to Wagner in the late 80's.  SHOSTAKOVICH..................Please!!!  ::)

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« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2013, 01:51:19 PM »
Die Walküre seems to be standard fare on NPR these days. Cant say I am too keen of it overall although the composition at the start of Act III is memorable.

I just feel, and this might be elitist, that Germanic operas often leave much to be desired compared to their romantic counterparts. Its just a flow issue to me it seems.
..........interesting comment. 

It really IS a matter of taste.  I make no argument for Germanic opera, generally, romantic or otherwise, but have really appreciated Wagner's music for sometime now.  But even THAT appreciation does not extend to ALL of his works; I am STILL trying to understand/appreciate his last written work, Parsifal, even though it has religious themes.

Btw, the very first time I heard Die Walkure, it was given to me by an office colleague in the late 80's, consisting of around 7-8 cassette tapes.  Neymar and some of you other young peeps probably don't even know what a cassette tape is.  :lol:  They preceded cd's, which, too, are now becoming out of vogue.  Anyway, when I first heard it, all it sounded like to my ears was ALOT of nonsensical, hollering and screaming.  I remember my initial reaction upon listening to, say, the first tape was, what in the HELL is this?  :o  I was too ignorant then to even know the singing was in German.  Wagner is not the accessible kind of music to the novice classical/opera fan.  You really have to read, study and listen to excerpts of a particular drama for the fullest appreciation.



If Wagner is your type of guy you would very much appreciate catching a show in his native Bavaria. I went on a school trip there in school and it was quite the experience(and about where I came to the conclusion that Italian and French productions were superior :lol:)

I think his exposure depends on where you grow up. I know for a fact he was required listening to for German classes in both England and Wales when I was growing up.

Are there any chances to hear live opera down there in Florida?


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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2013, 02:09:04 PM »
Mr.Neymar.................in my lead post on this thread, I indicated that included in my "bucket list" of things to do was to see Wagner in Bayreuth, that's the small village in Bavaria where Wagner is from and where a theatre was especially constructed to stage his music-dramas. A festival of nothing but Wagner is staged there every summer drawing Wagnerians worldwide. The waiting list for tickets is YEARS long.  :o But trust me lil bruh, if I EVER got the opportunity to see, say, Die Meistersinger, at Bayreuth, I think I'd be ready then to meet my Maker.  :lol:

As for whether there is live opera in Florida, well, of course there is. I don't currently reside in my home state, but several major cities in the state have resident opera companies, just as there are opera companies in cities across America. Nashville Opera isn't bad, and Mrs. Strike and I have attended several of their productions over the years and thoroughly enjoyed them. :)

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« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2013, 02:47:16 PM »
Wow, I thought you were more of a "Float, Float On" by the Floaters man.   :lol:

If you recall, we had a similar discussion on the old MEAC site.  I'm more of a Shostakovich fan.
:laugh:...............c'mon, homeboy, don't pigeonhole a brutha.  Perhaps you were unaware, its the 21st century, frat, ALL negroes had damn well better be DIVERSE and appreciate alot of stuff.  ;D And I guess you did not graduate from Dean Mobley's School of Business and Industry.  Dr. Mobley made it CLEAR that she did not want her students going out into the world and embarrassing her and the university.  We HAD to have exposure to stuff that Europeans like so we could compete.  :lol:

But no doubt, bruh, yeah I like the Floaters, Commodores, Jackson 5, and a WHOLE lot of other 70's music.  Man, THAT was the decade for R&B/black music, and I'm sure you will agree.  I heard some clown on Tom Joyner Morning Show state either yesterday or the day before that the 90's music was the bomb..............BULLSIHT!?!?  >:(  :laugh:.

Btw, Shostakovich sounds to my ears the same way that Wagner did the first time I was exposed to Wagner in the late 80's.  SHOSTAKOVICH..................Please!!!  ::)

 ;D

I haven't really listened to enough Wagner to develop an appreciation. As for Shostakovich, I really love Festive Overture and the Finale to his 5th Symphony.

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« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2013, 04:08:02 PM »
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Act I is ending as I make this post, but Act III is especially moving for me as the god Wotan must punish his most loyal and trusting daughter, Brunnhilde, for disobeying him. His farewell to her will elicit tears if you know what's going on.
:'(.............we're now at Act III. And Wotan has the heartbreaking task of punishing his daughter because she disobeyed his command to facilitate Sigmund's loss in the battle w/Hunding. But punish her he must as failure to do so would reduce him in status from God to mere mortal.

Her punishment: she is consigned to eternal sleep on a mountaintop surrounded by a ring of fire. She will ONLY be awakened when a hero can pierce the fire and kiss her awake. ;D Man, y'all just don't know, this is some of the most beautiful and emotionally riveting music ever written.

Wagner was a LOUSY human being, but a freaking GENIUS composer. Dude's stuff is other worldly, ethereal, and timeless.

WOW!!!!!........what an afternoon.  :lol:
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« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2013, 04:14:52 PM »
my enthusiasm for Wagner has wanded after I discovered his antisemitism.
He died years before National Socialism took over Germany but they cooped his works and used it as the theme song for the Nazi Movement .

However has a fan of ancient mythology, I was immediately drawn to Der Ring des Nibelungen and used to borrow the 33's from the public library.

BTW: if you like The Valkyrie, try the other three rings

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Ring_des_Nibelungen
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« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2013, 04:50:20 PM »
my enthusiasm for Wagner has wanded after I discovered his antisemitism.
He died years before National Socialism took over Germany but they cooped his works and used it as the theme song for the Nazi Movement .

However has a fan of ancient mythology, I was immediately drawn to Der Ring des Nibelungen and used to borrow the 33's from the public library.

BTW: if you like The Valkyrie, try the other three rings

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Ring_des_Nibelungen
...........interesting comments, brutha.  Appreciate your thoughts.

Yep, Wagner's "anti-semitism" is WELL noted and established.  And a SUBSTANTIAL portion of his anti-semitism can be founded in Wagner's own writings.  EP is correct, the Nazis elevated and celebrated Wagner's music not only because he was an anti-semite, but a good deal of Wagner's music EXALTED the superiority and advanced cultured state of Germany.  Well, Hitler and his goons LOVED this because it fell right into their schemes of mind-control and their desire to slaughter anyone NOT considered pure "German".  Btw, if I'm not mistaken, Wagner's music was NEVER performed in Israel because of the Nazi, anti-semitic ties until, I believe, in the last ten years or so.  Somebody check me if I'm wrong on that.

And in addition to being an anti-semite, Wagner was a deadbeat, NOTORIOUS womanizer, and just an awful human being.  He wound up marrying a woman ONLY AFTER fathering 3-4 children with her.  Guys, we are talking mid-late 19th century Germany.  :o  No, this dude was NOT the type of person you would want to invite over to dinner.

But no matter what a creep Wagner was, and dude WAS awful  :(, there is simply no denying the majesty and beauty of his music.  Btw, did I mentioned that, in addition to writing all of the Ring dramas and his other operas, dude wrote his own libretto as well.  Hate if you want to, but Wagner was a muthaf........ :lol:

YES, I AM already familiar with the other Ring dramas, Das Reingold, Siegfried and Goetterdamerung. None of the other three are performed as frequently as DW, but they EACH are terrific with outstanding music in their own right.  And each of them are being performed at the Met this spring as part of the Cycle.  Das Reingold ran last Saturday (or Sat before last?), and the last two dramas will run on the remaining two Saturdays of this month.

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« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2013, 06:18:38 PM »
the paradox of the complex human personality (the good, the bad, and the ugly in the same person)

God has given everyone gifts and talents for the edification of the world.

So it behooved us to allow everybody to execise these gifts and talents regardless of what we think of them as a person.

The person dies after a very few years but the fruits of thier gifts and talents may live on for centuries

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« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2013, 06:45:03 PM »
Mr.Neymar.................in my lead post on this thread, I indicated that included in my "bucket list" of things to do was to see Wagner in Bayreuth, that's the small village in Bavaria where Wagner is from and where a theatre was especially constructed to stage his music-dramas. A festival of nothing but Wagner is staged there every summer drawing Wagnerians worldwide. The waiting list for tickets is YEARS long.  :o But trust me lil bruh, if I EVER got the opportunity to see, say, Die Meistersinger, at Bayreuth, I think I'd be ready then to meet my Maker.  :lol:

As for whether there is live opera in Florida, well, of course there is. I don't currently reside in my home state, but several major cities in the state have resident opera companies, just as there are opera companies in cities across America. Nashville Opera isn't bad, and Mrs. Strike and I have attended several of their productions over the years and thoroughly enjoyed them. :)

Ah sounds amazing.

I am too snobby to settle for an opera in Nashville, but I'd love to see what midtown manhattan or Chicago has to offer ;)


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« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2013, 08:43:19 PM »
Did anyone mention Jazz? ;D


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« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2013, 12:37:34 AM »
Did anyone mention Jazz? ;D
.....yeah, you just did, now start your own thread.  ;D

 

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