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Author Topic: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People  (Read 3401 times)

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As promised, I am checking back to see if y04 would have something substantial to add since he questioned the Griot as a source (whose story was entirely accurate).

But, as I predicted, he had nothing to add.

No such prediction was needed for OS, for obvious reasons.
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More information on the fRight's history of racist hypocrisy re: guns and Black people.

After several armed Black Panthers LEGALLY entered the California State Capitol:
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THE PANTHERS’ METHODS provoked an immediate backlash. The day of their statehouse protest, lawmakers said the incident would speed enactment of Mulford’s gun-control proposal. Mulford himself pledged to make his bill even tougher, and he added a provision barring anyone but law enforcement from bringing a loaded firearm into the state capitol.

Republicans in California eagerly supported increased gun control. Governor Reagan told reporters that afternoon that he saw “no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons.” He called guns a “ridiculous way to solve problems that have to be solved among people of good will.” In a later press conference, Reagan said he didn’t “know of any sportsman who leaves his home with a gun to go out into the field to hunt or for target shooting who carries that gun loaded.” The Mulford Act, he said, “would work no hardship on the honest citizen.”

The fear inspired by black people with guns also led the United States Congress to consider new gun restrictions, after the summer of 1967 brought what the historian Harvard Sitkoff called the “most intense and destructive wave of racial violence the nation had ever witnessed.” Devastating riots engulfed Detroit and Newark. Police and National Guardsmen who tried to help restore order were greeted with sniper fire....

...The Fourteenth Amendment illustrates a common dynamic in America’s gun culture: extremism stirs a strong reaction. The aggressive Southern effort to disarm the freedmen prompted a constitutional amendment to better protect their rights. A hundred years later, the Black Panthers’ brazen insistence on the right to bear arms led whites, including conservative Republicans, to support new gun control. Then the pendulum swung back. The gun-control laws of the late 1960s, designed to restrict the use of guns by urban black leftist radicals, fueled the rise of the present-day gun-rights movement—one that, in an ironic reversal, is predominantly white, rural, and politically conservative.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/09/the-secret-history-of-guns/308608/2/

Lots more of the history here and, strangely, NO mention of Hell's Angels or even Alice in Wonderland.

This part is of PARTICULAR INTEREST given the extremes on both sides of the issue:
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...While the two sides disagree on the meaning of the Second Amendment, they share a similar view of the right to bear arms: both see such a right as fundamentally inconsistent with gun control, and believe we must choose one or the other. Gun rights and gun control, however, have lived together since the birth of the country. Americans have always had the right to keep and bear arms as a matter of state constitutional law. Today, 43 of the 50 state constitutions clearly protect an individual’s right to own guns, apart from militia service.

Yet we’ve also always had gun control. The Founding Fathers instituted gun laws so intrusive that, were they running for office today, the NRA would not endorse them. While they did not care to completely disarm the citizenry, the founding generation denied gun ownership to many people: not only slaves and free blacks, but law-abiding white men who refused to swear loyalty to the Revolution.

For those men who were allowed to own guns, the Founders had their own version of the “individual mandate” that has proved so controversial in President Obama’s health-care-reform law: they required the purchase of guns. A 1792 federal law mandated every eligible man to purchase a military-style gun and ammunition for his service in the citizen militia. Such men had to report for frequent musters—where their guns would be inspected and, yes, registered on public rolls.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/09/the-secret-history-of-guns/308608/
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The Black Panthers was a criminal front and idiots who were bamboozled by white leftest. In the end their criminal intent came out. Look it up you IDIOTS.

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As usual Oldsport misses the point OR pretends to because, JUST like uch and y04, he cannot dispute the actual issue at hand.  OS: TRY AGAIN to comprehend the title of this thread.

The merits or demerits of the BPP are not at issue here.  Reagan's comments back then did not mention criminality; he mentioned his opposition to citizens carrying loaded weapons.  Nor could OS contradict the FACT that the Founders Fathers - WHO KNEW THE INTENT OF THE 2ND AMENDMENT BETTER THAN WAYNE LAPIERRE - REQUIRED that guns BE REGISTERED!!!!!!

Altho, y'all have to admit it IS hilarious to watch OS justify white people - because of something positive they did, like the Liberty U founder - NO MATTER HOW DESPICABLE their other actions might be while he NEVER misses a chance to denounce or minimize Black people for real or perceived misdeeds when OUR good acts are mentioned.

I've recently provided the example of his irrelevant, irresponsible and unsubstantiated slander against Pullman Porters, but here's another one.

Wangari Maathai
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She won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2004 for promoting conservation, women's rights and transparent government - the first African woman to get the award.

She was elected as an MP in 2002 and served as a minister in the Kenyan government for a time.

Ms Maathai founded the Green Belt Movement, which has planted 20-30 million trees in Africa.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15056502


When this Kenyan Sister was awarded the Nobel Prize in 2004, OS posted an article from some fRight Wing racist that ridiculed her and dismissed her work because, NOW GET THIS, the effort at reforestation by this one woman who organized poor rural women did not plant as many trees as the entire output of all the multi-billion dollar wood product companies in the USA!!!
Consider that most of her work was done in Kenya which has an area of 224,962 square miles about the size of Nevada!!!!

But all OS saw was an African/Black woman who, in his twisted mind as a "not so much" a believer in white so-called supremacy, deserved nothing but derision.

This is what he ignored:
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The Green Belt Movement (GBM) was founded by Professor Wangari Maathai in 1977 under the auspices of the National Council of Women of Kenya (NCWK) to respond to the needs of rural Kenyan women who reported that their streams were drying up, their food supply was less secure, and they had to walk further and further to get firewood for fuel and fencing. GBM encouraged the women to work together to grow seedlings and plant trees to bind the soil, store rainwater, provide food and firewood, and receive a small monetary token for their work.

Shortly after beginning this work, Professor Maathai saw that behind the everyday hardships of the poor—environmental degradation, deforestation, and food insecurity—were deeper issues of disempowerment, disenfranchisement, and a loss of the traditional values that had previously enabled communities to protect their environment, work together for mutual benefit, and to do both selflessly and honestly. The Green Belt Movement instituted seminars in civic and environmental education, now called Community Empowerment and Education seminars (CEE), to encourage individuals to examine why they lacked agency to change their political, economic, and environmental circumstances. Participants began to understand that for years they had been placing their trust in leaders who had betrayed them and that they were sabotaging their lives by not working for the common good and failing to use their natural resources wisely.

Consequently, the Green Belt Movement began to advocate for greater democratic space and more accountability from national leaders. It fought against land grabbing and the encroachment of agriculture into the forests. It contested the placement of a tower block in Uhuru Park in downtown Nairobi and joined others to call for the release of political prisoners. In recent years, it has extended its reach internationally to campaign and advocate on climate change, the importance of Africa’s rainforests in the Congo, to initiate the mottainai campaign—an effort to instill the notions of “reduce, reuse, recycle” in Kenya and around the world—and has partnered with the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) in its Billion Tree Campaign.

But like the brain-washed person that Carter Woodson described, he was COMPELLED to find his own personal back door.  As if that wasn't enough, then OS even argued that Professor Maathai was not a REAL African because she had a college* education!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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* Wangari Muta Maathai (1 April 1940 – 25 September 2011) was a Kenyan environmental and political activist. She was educated in the United States at Mount St. Scholastica and the University of Pittsburgh, as well as the University of Nairobi in Kenya.
From Wiki:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wangari_Maathai

P.S.  I suspect we may now hear the "Dementia Defense" from OS, claiming that he doesn't remember.
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OK, Oldsport can't handle the truth about the NRA, Reagan and the fRight Wing, so he tries to change the subject to the BPP.
The Black Panthers was a criminal front and idiots who were bamboozled by white leftest. In the end their criminal intent came out. Look it up you IDIOTS.

Let me correct that for OS:
"The FBI under Eddie Hoover was a criminal front and were anti-democratic scum who were directed by a self-hating deep in the closet white gay guy. In the end their criminal actions came out. Look it up you, IDIOT."

Of course, OS can find NO fault with the FBI's lawlessness, criminality, conspiracy to murder, repeated and UNpunished violations of the Constitution and murder OR Eddie Hoover's paranoia, hatred of Dr. King and direction of many illegal acts "under the color of law."

Just one example:
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"Geronimo" Pratt took over as the leader of the Los Angeles chapter of the Black Panther party after Carter's murder. A 1970 FBI memo reads that "constant consideration is given to the possibility of the utilisation of counterintelligence measures with efforts being directed toward neutralising Pratt as an effective BPP functionary." Pratt was convicted of murder in 1972 based on the false testimony of Julius Butler, an FBI informant. Pratt's conviction was overturned in 1997, after he had spent 27 years behind bars. Hoover, describing another Cointelpro operation, explains that the "purpose of counterintelligence action is to disrupt BPP and it is immaterial whether facts exist to substantiate the charge."

Of course, one might think that it is only meet that a government police force crack down on a supposedly violent group by any means necessary, especially if it is "the greatest threat to the internal security of the country", as Hoover called the Panthers. However, it was not because of their guns (always legally held and handled) that he deemed them so: it was because of the Panthers' Free Breakfasts for Children programme. As Hoover chides an FBI agent: "You state that the Bureau under the CIP should not attack programmes of community interest such as the BPP 'Breakfast for Children'. You state that this is because many prominent 'humanitarians', both white and black, are interested in the programme as well as churches which are actively supporting it. You have obviously missed the point."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/apr/04/preventingtheriseofamessi
The author of this article is an outstanding mathematician.
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As usual, the Apologist for white supremacy and criminal actions against Black people has not a word to say about the violations of the Constitution by the government - unless a Black person is President.
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Brother makes his point in STRONG language that offends some, but there is much truth to it.
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Brother makes his point in STRONG language that offends some, but there is much truth to it.
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More proof of the racist hypocrisy of some white Americans re: gun policies and Black folks:

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Stronger opposition to gun control by US whites has not always been the case. During the civil rights movement of the late 60 s, black activists exercised their right to carry loaded firearms in order to provide protection from police and extreme white factions [13]. The response from US whites was to demand stricter gun control. The Mulford Act was signed into law by Californian governor Ronald Reagan in 1967, and prohibited the carrying of loaded firearms in public [13]. The social landscape has changed considerably, and most recent data indicates a quite different view on gun control by whites, with 53% of whites wanting to protect the right to own guns, whereas only 24% of blacks do...

...It has been found that racial stereotypes (e.g., that blacks are violent) are related to US whites’ fears of violence from blacks, and to their support for crime-related policy measures, such as building prisons, and the death penalty [19], [20]. Support for such policies is particularly pronounced in US whites who hold higher levels of racism [19]. Strong evidence also supports the notion that negative racial stereotypes and attitudes are related to people’s perceptions of threat from black gun-related violence [20]. Additionally, US research using measures of implicit race attitudes (e.g., Implicit Association Test; IAT) have shown a preference for whites over blacks [21] and appear to influence people’s political decisions, and even choices of medical procedures for blacks [22]–[24]. For instance, measures of explicit and implicit racism measures predicted opposition to Obama’s health reforms [23]...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3815007/

Note the "Mulford Act" mentioned above.  Want a good laugh?  Check out y04's comment earlier in this thread in which he seems to express doubt that Mulford proposed the law that bears his name BECAUSE, he said, it was not in his obituary!!!   :lmao:
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Tweets by actor Wendell Pierce:

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If every Black male 18-35 applied for a conceal& carry permit, and then joined NRA in one day; there would be gun control laws in a second

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The Deacons of Defense, the precursor to the Black Panthers,were criminalized for exercising 2ndAmendment rights in Bogolusa LA.



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When it comes to Black folk exercising 2nd amendment rights, gun control historically becomes priority
https://twitter.com/WendellPierce/status/668630026800074753?s=04
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Y's wandering the mean streets of Lynchburg like:



But seriously, 66, enjoy your vacation. :)

I hope he is not in education there keeping the poor Black kids there dumb and stupid like himself. What I know about Lynchburg, Black folks are completely out of touch with what is going on around them.

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I think every Black man should have a concealed carry permit in their state. 

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I think every Black man should have a concealed carry permit in their state. 
You will have a gun control bill out within a day or two of this happening.
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I think every Black man should have a concealed carry permit in their state. 
You will have a gun control bill out within a day or two of this happening.

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