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« Last Edit: May 15, 2019, 11:06:20 PM by Bison66 »
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IT'S BEEN MUCH MORE THAN A YEAR, AND I STILL HAVE NO ANSWER FROM NEYMAR RE:
"whether or not (he) accepts the DNA evidence from the mummies..."


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FROM BACK IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR

neymar,

I asked you whether or not you accept the DNA evidence from the mummies...

There's no sense in me spending time giving you EVIDENCE if you are not interested in evidence.

So, do you - or will you - accept DNA evidence produced by WHITE SCIENTISTS, NOT AFROCENTRISTS, about mummies? 

I will engage with you with EVIDENCE.  But if your mind is made up and the facts don't matter, I have better things to do with my time.

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Van Sertima's research has been debunked throughly in his field:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Van_Sertima#Reception

But you want me to go find research that this is a white man's world we are living in? Why go that far.

I am really annoyed that my time is limited right now.

Wikipedia?  Really!?
I have edited Wiki pages and know how it works.  That one is an OBVIOUS hitjob.  The same kind of folks tried to beat down Diop.  But that doesn't mean that Van Sertima was correct about everything.  His was pioneering work and he missed some things, but let me ask you AGAIN:  Will you accept EVIDENCE THAT AFRICANS WERE IN THE AMERICAS HUNDREDS OR THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE THE VIKINGS OR Cristóbal Colón (Columbus' name in Spanish).

Now,.....
No, I did not ask you "to go find research."  I asked you for your sources and whose research your conclusions are based on re: exploration and writing.

Clearly, you have none.

I will take a brief moment to point out the GLARING LOGICAL/HISTORICAL FLAW in your key argument about exploration.

You say that IF Africans had already been in the Americas, then Europeans would not have had to kidnap them and bring them.

EVEN YOU MUST SEE HOW RIDICULOUS THAT ARGUMENT IS...

First of all, it was Columbus and other Europeans who said they saw evidence of Africans having been there.  And the testimony of the Arawaks, themselves, AS REPORTED BY THE EUROPEANS!!!!  So, that is not in dispute.

Secondly, COMMON SENSE should tell you that the number of Africans - most of whom would have intermarried with Native peoples - would not be sufficient for the sugar and other plantation economies that they intended to develop.

Tell me, first, if you have a logical disagreement with EITHER OF THE POINTS I HAVE JUST MADE.....because again, if you will deal with neither facts and logic...it's a waste of time.


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Just checking to see, Neymar, if you're ready to have an HONEST exchange based on evidence or if you are still clinging to your fact-devoid Legacy of Disbelief...

You've never read Van Sertima, have you?

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Here is an excellent and illustrated presentation of evidence for African explorers crossing the African Ocean (the Atlantic) to Turtle Island (the Americas).

The video also, and quite incidentally, presents information which SLAYS the racist notion that West Africans did not have "what it takes" to develop scripts (written languages).  I know, I know,.. it's a silly notion embedded by years of British propaganda disguised as education, but still it's been put out here on O-Dan.

So, check out this TIGHT video with loads of evidence to confirm the trans-oceanic exploration by Africans into the Americas.

It is well worth the 20 minutes to watch it:


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Interesting new find...

Egypt unveils discovery of 30 ancient coffins with mummies inside

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/19/middleeast/egypt-discovers-coffins-mummies-trnd/index.html

I can't help chuckling at Hawass speaking as if his Ancestors had something to do with Ancient Kemet!  (Or,... maybe he has a Nubian grandmother he keeps in a closet somewhere! Ha!)

These mummified remains are from the late eras of Ancient Kemet after Asian and European attacks and invasion.

Still... it is cool to see human works that have not been seen by human eyes for THOUSANDS of years.  Wow!!!



https://www.independent.co.uk/news/egyptian-coffins-mummies-nile-luxor-antiquities-archeology-a9163776.html

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This does not relate to Ancient Kemet.

This information is undeniable evidence of a well-developed civilization in West Africa where the Yoruba people have lived for millennia.  It was in Ancient Benin.

Around 1000CE (Common Era), the people of the region (now Ogun State in Nigeria) built the largest man-made structure in Africa.  Its purpose may be unclear and debated, but its existence is not.

PHOTO HERE
http://originalpeople.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/263947_10150241474093019_4994109_n.jpg

First, here's a scientific paper from 1999:
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5bd0e66f8d97400eb0099556/t/5bdafade0ebbe8a5aa232f6d/1541077729928/Nyame+Akuma+Issue+049-Article+09.pdf

Check out other info and a video exploring the "great wall."
http://originalpeople.org/sungbos-eredo-africas-largest-man-structure/

Many thanks to the Administrator of an informative page  [Omo Ola Institute Of Yoruba Culture] on FB, Olawoyin Olakitan, for answering my questions.


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The Benin Walls were ravaged by the British in 1897 during what has come to be called the Punitive expedition. Scattered pieces of the structure remain in Edo, with the vast majority of them being used by the locals for building purposes. What remains of the wall itself continues to be torn down for real estate developments.[4] Fred Pearce wrote in New Scientist:

They extend for some 16,000 km (NOTE - ALMOST 10,000 MILES!!!!!!) in all, in a mosaic of more than 500 interconnected settlement boundaries. They cover 2,510 sq. miles (6,500 square kilometres) and were all dug by the Edo people. In all, they are four times longer than the Great Wall of China, and consumed a hundred times more material than the Great Pyramid of Cheops. They took an estimated 150 million hours of digging to construct, and are perhaps the largest single archaeological phenomenon on the planet.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walls_of_Benin

More later...
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As promised,...

More info:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walls_of_Benin


Benin City in the 1600's



Benin City in 1897

But, check this out, y'all...


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Ethnomathematician Ron Eglash has discussed the planned layout of the city using fractals as the basis, not only in the city itself and the villages but even in the rooms of houses. He commented that "When Europeans first came to Africa, they considered the architecture very disorganised and thus primitive. It never occurred to them that the Africans might have been using a form of mathematics that they hadn’t even discovered yet."
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walls_of_Benin

And an article from the BBC...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/364754.stm

Finally, a military take on the massive wall:
https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Sungbo%27s_Eredo


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Would it be worth 13 and half minutes to wipe out decades (personally) and centuries (historically) of anti-African propaganda and lies about Kemet (Ancient Egypt)??

Invest those few minutes (more if you like) in watching this film showing not only the ruins of Kemet, but ALSO artist renditions of what the monuments looked like when freshly painted THOUSANDS of years ago.
 
Some go back AT LEAST 5,000 years.  Some experts say quite a bit longer...

While I cannot vouch for all of the narration, the quotes from Herodotus, the Greek, who visited and studied in Kemet are QUITE instructive.

For most of us, our western educations ignored the testimony of eye-witnesses (like the Greeks who traveled to study under the Kemetans) and ignored the mute testimony of monumental stone witnesses.

ENJOY!


The amazing complex at Saqqara - ONLY one of the many ancient sites featured:


A view of Saqqara today:


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Thanks for sharing your knowledge so we can all past it on to the next generation... 

Because of people like you, continued ignorance and lack of knowledge of heritage,
ancestry and our extended families in the diaspora are no longer a viable/acceptable excuse...

Keep Pushing My Brother...  YOU ARE HEAVEN SENT AND GREATLY APPRECIATE!!!



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Thanks for sharing your knowledge so we can all past it on to the next generation... 

Because of people like you, continued ignorance and lack of knowledge of heritage,
ancestry and our extended families in the diaspora are no longer a viable/acceptable excuse...

Keep Pushing My Brother...  YOU ARE HEAVEN SENT AND GREATLY APPRECIATE!!!





WOW, Iceman!!!!!

Coming from you, especially, I sincerely appreciate your kind words.

I must say, candidly, that I am sharing as I am learning for some of the info I have posted here.

It is crucial, as you clearly know, that we not allow the old lies and distortions to survive - at least not without strong and repeated challenge.  For the most part, it is thankless work. However, I am confident that a few minds will be changed, and osome people will be put on notice to quit spreading falsehoods.

(Cue music from Mission Impossible!  - smile -  Note to skeptics:  The M.I. Team ALWAYS accomplishes the mission!!!)


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Lots of knowledge compressed in this lecture from a few years ago.

This Brother even writes in Mdr Ntr (heiroglyphics).

Check it out as this Brother sets the record straight, and exposes the techniques & methods of Eurocentric obfuscation.  He presents it in an interesting and even entertaining manner.




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This EXCELLENT video TIMELINE (link below) covers thousands of years. It helps debunk a whole collection of ahistorical garbage that has been thrown at us in school and by popular culture/media. Those platforms are critically important in shaping public perceptions of Africans generally and us, as African descendants.

It might take watching it twice (or more) to absorb the enormity of the perspective it embodies.

We tried in our book, CLANDESTINE, to address what Dr. Molefi Asante calls "the legacy of disbelief."  This video covering TENS of THOUSANDS of years demolishes that disbelief which protects insecure whites and brainwashed Negropeans from facing the reality of African genius and accomplishments of grandeur.  Only the willfully blind will not see.

It is routine for those who attempt to marginalize the achievements of others to employ a fallacious tactic.  They pick out something from "their" culture (say, like building a railroad) and then point fingers at another group who did not do that to prove "their" superiority.  It's really silly and childish, but it still goes on.

Of course, if Africans were to employ the same argument, we would have substantial ammunition to do so (like pyramids, for example) to "prove the so-called inferiority" of those who - to this day - have not even been able to EXPLAIN - let alone - match such monumental constructions.  Other examples of African/Black genius include monotheism, written language, mummification, high-temperature smelting, etc.

But, African, European and other scholars - as they debunk CENTURIES of lies and misinformation that falsely claimed that whites are superior to others - simply come forward with the evidence and let it speak for itself.

The Brother from Hometeam History has done it again.  You can support him here: https://www.patreon.com/HomeTeamHistory  He certainly deserves it.



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Check out the wonderful illustrations in this article,
"Ancient Egypt Was White Washed":

https://medium.com/@addisonsarter93/ancient-egypt-was-white-washed-2244ad402058




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Royal mummies from Kemet show their African (hair)roots!!


Nodjmet's mummy

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Her mummy was discovered in the Deir el-Bahari cache (TT320). The body is that of an old woman. She had been embalmed with a new mummification technique which involved the use of fake eyes and the packing of the limbs. The heart was still in place inside her body.[6] With her mummy two Books of the Dead were found.[7] One of them, Papyrus BM 10490, now in the British museum, belonged to “the King’s Mother Nodjmet, the daughter of the King’s Mother Hrere”. Whereas the name of Nodjmet was written in a cartouche, the name of Hrere was not. Since mostly this Nodjmet is seen as the wife of the High Priest Herihor, Herere’s title is often interpreted as “King’s Mother-in-law”,[8] although her title “who bore the Strong Bull” suggests that she actually must have given birth to a king.[9]
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https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Nodjmet

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PLEASE SEE IMAGE HERE:
http://www.cesras.org/Mummies/Inhapj-pl-IVfig2-V-CG61053.html

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...she lived in a high  royal context and died in the early 18th Dynasty. Her pillaged mummy was found in the Royal Cache TT320 in 1881 and is now in the National Museum, Cairo, Catalogue Général number.
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