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If you insist...

Origin of Egyptians (Kemet/Mizraim)

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The Edfu Text is an important source document on the early history of the Nile Valley.  This famous inscription, found in the Temple of Horus at Edfu, gives an account of the origin of KMT (Egyptian) civilization.  According to this record, civilization was brought from the south by a band of invaders under the leadership of King Horus. John G Jackson, Introduction to African Civilization)
 Note the people of KMT called themselves Kemiu or Kemmiu… which translates at “the blacks”
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In (the London Museum) you will find a document called the Papyrus of Hunefer…and I quote from the hieratic writing, “we came from the beginning of the Nile where GOD Hapi dwells, at the foothills of The Mountains of the Moon”Where is “the beginning of the Nile”?  The furthest point of the beginning of the Nile is in Uganda; this is the White Nile.  Another point is in modern Ethiopia – the Blue Nile.  The Blue Nile and the White Nile meet in Khartoum;  and the other side of Khartoum is the Omdurman Republic of Sudan.  From there it flows from the south down north.  And there it meets with the Atbara River in Atbara, Sudan.  Then it flows completely through Sudan…into the southern part of what the Romans called “Nubia”, and parallel on the Nile, part of which the Greeks called “Egypticus”; the English called it “Egypt” and the Jews in their mythology called it “Mizrain” which the current Arabs called Mize/Mizrair.  Thus it ends in the Sea of Sais, also called the Great Sea, today’s Mediterranean Sea. (Dr ben-Jochannan)

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Their legends tell of their origins in the south at the sources of the Hapi.  Rose…cites the Edfu text as authority for the legend of a southern origin of the predynastic Kemites(Egyptians).  The land “up south” was called Ta Ntr, or the land of God.  They faced south to get their bearings.  The word for “left hand” and the word for “east” are the same, as are the words for “right hand” and the “west”….  (Dr Asa G Hilliard, III)

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If you insist...  RELIGION...

The Annuciation, the Immaculate Conception, Virgin Birth, and the Adoration (3 Magi and gifts)

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The story of Ausar, Aset and Heur is the first story in the recorded history of man of a holy royal family (the Trinity), immaculate conception, virgin birth, and resurrection.  Evidence of this Trinity is known to have existed in ancient Nubia as late as 3300 BCE.  Carved on the walls of the Temple of Luxor (circa 1380 B.C.E.) are scenes which depict the following:
1.    The Annuciation – The Netcher Djhuiti is shown announcing to the virgin Aset the coming birth of their son, Heru.
2.   The Immaculate Conception -  The Netcher Kneph, who represents the Holy Ghost, and the Netcher Het-Heru (Hathor) are shown symbolically impregnating Aset by holding ankhs (symbols of life) to the nostrils of the virgin mother-to-be.
3.   The Virgin Birth – Aset is whown sitting on the birthing stool and the new born child is attended by midwives.
4.   The Adoration -  The newborn Heru is portrayed receiving gifts from three kings, or Magi while being adored by a host of gods and men.

(Nile Valley Contributions to Civilization - Anthony T Browder- ONE of the best books containing consolidated information from most of the books listed by Bison66 and others in this particular forum - its a 296 page encyclopedia of information about Egypt)

Samuel Sharp, author of Egyptian Mystery and Egyptian Christianity, made the following comments upon viewing this scene:

   In this picture we have the Annuciation, the Conception, the Birth and the Adoration as described in the first and second chapters of Luke’s Gospel; and as we have historical assurance that the chapters in Matthew’s Gospel which contain the miraculous birth of Christ are after additions not in the earliest manuscripts, it seems probable that these two poetical chapters in Luke may also be unhistorical and borrowed from the Egyptian accounts of the miraculous births of their kings.      



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MUCHAS GRACIAS, Iceman!!!!
Tremendously revealing information.

Anthony Browder has been very successful in "popularizing" the research of great scholars.

He conducts workshops with Masonic organizations (especially or perhaps only Prince Hall Masons) to explain deeper connections with the Motherland than most members suspected existed.

Years ago he conducted tours of DC to explain the "hidden secrets in plain view" of Africa in the buildings and monuments around the city:  the obelisk (Washington Monument) and the Masonic Lodge on 16th Street, for example.

From afar I have watched him over decades become a self-taught scholar in his own right!
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When our kids and grandkids could benefit from seeing someone "who looks like them" doing amazing things -especially in science - we can share photos, games and information like this:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/lostempires/obelisk/
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Found this provocative quote:

"Would whites or any other group agree to embrace a history of themselves created and or controlled by Black People?!"

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm...
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Found this provocative quote:

"Would whites or any other group agree to embrace a history of themselves created and or controlled by Black People?!"

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm...
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Of course not, only a people with a slave mentality accepts that crap!!!  Thank GOD all of our Ancestors did not have that mentality regardless of their true state of physical bondage...


Now you are gettin deep...  Ease up before the naive, ignorant, disinterested or just plain loss get a friggin migraine headache...  Mental Slavery is far worse than that imposed by the "peculiar institution"; because on the surface a person in mental bondage appears to be free and normal, but in reality he's a loss soul trolling around like a runaway fool with all of his life's possessions on his back trying to find his way while despising all the evidence around him of his people's greatness; which he denigrates, ignores or can't see due to an inferiority complex mindset - based on true ignorance of past, present and future history of his own people...
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When our kids and grandkids could benefit from seeing someone "who looks like them" doing amazing things -especially in science - we can share photos, games and information like this:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/lostempires/obelisk/
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I recommend the DVD, "Hidden Colors - The Untold History of People of Aboriginal, Moor & African Descent" by Tariq Nasheed and "Lost Kingdoms of Africa", by Dr Fus Casely-Hayford...

The list of books is exhaustive so unless their is a true request we let the forum just take in what has already been suggested prior to this post...  ;)
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Found this provocative quote:

"Would whites or any other group agree to embrace a history of themselves created and or controlled by Black People?!"

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm...
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H*ll naw!

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When our kids and grandkids could benefit from seeing someone "who looks like them" doing amazing things -especially in science - we can share photos, games and information like this:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/lostempires/obelisk/
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I recommend the DVD, "Hidden Colors - The Untold History of People of Aboriginal, Moor & African Descent" by Tariq Nasheed and "Lost Kingdoms of Africa", by Dr Fus Casely-Hayford...

The list of books is exhaustive so unless their is a true request we let the forum just take in what has already been suggested prior to this post...  ;)

Thanks, I will check that out.

I thought you were referencing this Casely-Hayford -  a pioneering Pan Africanist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._E._Casely_Hayford

Studied about him and other early Pan-Africanists while in grad school and later.
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According to Sir William Osler, Imhotep was the real Father of Medicine (2980 BC) –about 4,000 years ago. “The first figure of a physician to stand out clearly from the mists of antiquity,” Imhotep diagnosed and treated over 200 diseases: 15 diseases of the abdomen, 29 of the eyes, 11 of the bladder, 10 of the rectum, and 18 of the skin, hair, nails and tongue. Imhotep treated gout, tuberculosis, appendicitis, gallstones, and arthritis. In addition to performing surgery and some dentistry, Imhotep extracted medicine from plants. He knew the position and function of the vital organs and circulation of the blood system. The Encyclopedia Britannica says, “The evidence afforded by Egyptian and Greek texts support the view that Imhotep’s reputation was very respected in early times…His prestige increased with the lapse of centuries and his temples in Greek times were the centers of medical teachings.”

Imhotep was worshipped as a god and healer from approximately 2850 B.C. to 525 B.C., and as a full deity from 525 B.C. to 550 A.D. He lived during the Third Dynasty at the court of King Zoser in Egypt. Imhotep was a known scribe, chief lector, priest, architect, astronomer and magician (medicine and magic were used together in that era). For 3000 years he was worshipped as a god in Greece and Rome. Early Christians worshipped him as the “Prince of Peace.”

When the Egyptians crossed the Mediterranean, becoming the foundation of the Greek culture, Imhotep’s teachings and philosophies were absorbed there. The Greeks equated him with Aesculapius (Hermes). He was regarded as the god of study and in later times took on some of the attributes of Thoth or Tehuti as the scribe of the gods. In the time of Imhotep, healing was considered one of the secret sciences of priestcraft. Candidates aspiring to be trained in the healing tradition underwent severe tests or initiations to prove their worthiness at various stages of their training. Among the ancients, philosophy, science and religion/spirituality were never considered as separate units- they comprised a balanced whole- and this concept was considered integral to healing modalities.

The story of Imhotep disappeared in Greek mythology over time and was forgotten for thousands of years, A legendary figure, Hippocrates, who appeared 2000 years later in 5th century BC, became known as the Father of Medicine. Hippocrates segregated the healing art from the other sciences of the medical training and established a precedent for scientific separateness, incomplete healing, and materialism present in current modern-day medicine. Doctors began to be trained to only accept that which can be experienced through the concrete perceptions of the 5 primary human senses. This is why physicians today take the Hippocratic Oath.
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Some will ask:  
"If all these ancient wise men, queens, and pioneers in philosophy, architecture, medicine, writing, science, monument building and civilization itself were really Black and African, how is it that our schools did not teach us that?"

The answer is simple and the answer is complicated.  Some assert that Euro scholars were seduced by the social norms (white so-called supremacy) and economic interests (exploitation of "the other") of their respective eras and, for those reasons, denied the evidence before their very own eyes.  Others like Dr. Marimba Ani (YURUGU) postulate that internal cultural and psychological features of Euro culture were also responsible for the distortions created, passed on and accepted by even the Greeks - a century or two after their forebears had learned at the knee of Africans - "forgot" the truth of the origins of much of their high learning.  

After decades and centuries during which students were mis-taught, most of them may have accepted as true some of the silly explanations given

Scholar and teacher and many-times-published writer, Dr. Molefi K. Asante of Temple University speaks of the "legacy of disbelief."  Some people just cannot bring themselves to overcome the omissions and distortions of what they were taught because it conflicts with their own self-concept and their stereotypical views of others as uncivilized, inadequate and inferior.  Isn't it appropriate that we jokingly say that some folks are in D'Nile?!?!

For, as the OP pointed out, one CANNOT both believe that Africans/Blacks are inferior AND SIMULTANEOUSLY accept that Africans/Blacks created an amazing civilization while most of Europe basked in ignorance and built nothing more than mounds and stacked a few rough-hewn large stones on other large stones.

But along the way, scholars and artists had to facilitate the omissions of African/Black civilization and distortion of European history to support the belief in white so-called supremacy and the concomitant belief in African/Black so-called inferiority.

This link shows how the "legacy of disbelief" was facilitated:



[It should be noted that in the effort to correct mistaken history, sometimes another mistake is made and a person is "claimed" as Black /African on less than solid evidence or just incorrectly.  However, an exception here and there does not invalidate the general case made here and elsewhere.]

And the work continues:
http://www.beforebc.de/Made.by.Humankind/Real.People/02-16-200-00-02.html

Here the author explains that the "black headed Sumerians" (sometimes referred to as "black footed" also!!!!) were actually Black people.  You wouldn't think such an explanation would be needed, would you?  >:(
http://www.beforebc.de/Made.by.Humankind/Real.People/02-16-200-00-02.html

Reminds me of the extensive lengths taken by some to explain away why the ONLY (?) physical description of Jesus of Nazareth includes the color of his feet and a type of hair characteristic (taken together) of ONLY Black people - and not similar to Da Vinci's nephew who was the model many centuries later - for one of the most famous representations of Jesus.
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Neymar's point about Kemet being a crossroads does, of course, have some truth in it.  But, also of course, places that become crossroads do so for a reason.

Peoples from other areas come for a reason and they attempt to trade with or sometimes conquer for a reason.

My initial response to Neymar had to do with the fact that the origins of Kemet were not based upon it being a crossroads and one should not be confused by the presence of "foreigners" AFTER the initial civilization has begun.

NOW...
Let us put the last stake in the heart of the legacy of disbelief and the last nail in the coffin of the FALSE and ridiculous eurocentric farce that the amazing and wondrous civilization in northeast Africa was not a Black one.

RE: the African / Black identity of the Ancient Egyptians:
One can argue about paint pigments to portray people as Black/African or not.
One can dispute first person accounts by foreigners describing people as Black-skinned with wooly hair.

BUT, PRAY TELL, HOW DO YOU ARGUE WITH STONE??


He looks like a Brother dressed up for an Alpha Phi Alpha pageant at an HBCU.

It's hard to argue with STONE!!!!  Those lips, that nose.  C[mon, Euro historians:  'Fess up!!!  Y'all know you've been teaching lies.  Black scholars:  stop worrying about your chances for tenure or how your white colleagues will react to your acknowledging the truth.

THIS kind of evidence is ALL OVER THE REGION and contradicts the oft-repeated claim that Blacks did not WRITE our history and that we are "only" an ORAL People.  There's MUCH more of a written record in Africa than in Europe during a similar period of time.  If this wrong, please someone tell me what was going on in France or Germany in 3500BCE!!   (BCE = Before the Common Era)

Note in this piece of history below that we are talking about the 25th Dynasty - THE TWENTY FIFTH!!!!  Thousands of years from the beginnings of Kemetan civilization.

You've seen these two quotes before and I promised more was coming:

"That astonishing epoch of ni%%er domination"
Arthur Weigall

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"It seems amazing that an African Negro should have been able with any sort of justification to style himself Emperor of the World"
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The above are just two of the published sentiments of early White writers concerning the reign of Taharka, one of the great rulers in human history. While such opinions are no longer directly expressed on the pages of respected publications, they are, most assuredly, buried deeply in the minds of the average Western historian, anthropologist and archaeologist. That is why all of white academia have had conniptions over the Black reclamation of African history. Conventional scholars cannot imagine how Black people, "with any sort of justification," can claim not just a prominent, but even a dominant, role in any part of World history.

Well, the day for promoting myths and fantasies is over. Black men did indeed rule the world at one time, and their story - long hidden by an elite cadre of racist thought police - is now, finally, being resurrected by Black Publishing houses and the ubiquitous Internet.


TAHARKA: The Great King of Nubia

Thousands of years before the rise, spread and triumph of White supremacy (racism), there emerged in Africa a nation variously called Kush, Nubia and Ethiopia. This land, which lies immediately south of Egypt, appears to have laid the foundation of Egyptian civilization. Over the millennia, however, Nubia was gradually overshadowed and often dominated by its northern neighbor. Then, toward the end of Egypt's 24th dynasty, Nubia grew strong and one of its most valiant warriors, Piankhi, set sail down the Nile with the intention of subduing Egypt. Upon completion of his mission, Piankhi "had conquered all of Egypt and was now, as King of Upper and Lower Egypt and Kush, lord and master of a land that stretched from the Sahara to the borders of Ethiopia and from the shores of the Mediterranean fourteen hundred miles to the middle reaches of the White and Blue Niles, beyond modern Kartoum." 1

After a stellar reign during which he attempted to return Egypt, then decadent, weak and overrun by foreigners, to its former state of glory, Piankhi passed away. He was succeeded by his son, Taharka.

When Taharka ascended the thrown, Nubia was at the height of its glory. Just as in previous centuries when Sesostris, Thutmose I and Thutmose III built empires in vast parts of the Mediterranean world, Taharka, another Black pharaoh, ruled the greatest empire of his day.

This pharaoh's reign began with what many believe to have been an omen from the gods the unprecedented flooding of the Nile....

...Taharka's reign was bedeviled by the same enemy that had plagued his royal ancestors for generations before him. Once the poverty stricken, barbaric hordes from Europe and Asia discovered the Nile Valley as an African breadbasket, they never ceased in their attempts to invade the land with an eye toward conquest and settlement of it. During predynastic and early dynastic times, these foreigners were simply a menace. Following the Middle Kingdom, they actually did conquer and gain a foothold in Egypt. From the 18th through the 24th dynasties, the foreigners gained more and more influence through trade, intermarriage with the indigenous Africans and settling the Delta region near the Mediterranean Sea.

By the time of Taharka's reign in the 25th dynasty, Asians were not only well integrated into the African population, they also dominated the northernmost part of Egypt, particularly the Delta region. Furthermore, strong, rival nations were gradually evolving in Asia itself. At this time, the Assyrians were the greatest threat to Egypt.


In about 672 B.C., King Esarhaddon, King of Syria, launched an attack on Egypt. He defeated the Egyptian army in the Sinai desert and, in two short weeks, reached the Delta City of Memphis, surrounded and conquered it. Although Taharka fought valiantly, his troops were defeated and he escaped to the south. His children and harem were taken by the Assyrians.

The Asian princes of the Delta immediately proclaimed their loyalty to the Assyrian King; and Esarhaddon declared that he was the ruler of Upper and Lower Egypt. He then returned to Assyria.

Hearing of his enemies departure, Taharka fortified his army, swept back down the Nile and recaptured the nation to the Mediterranean Sea. Esarhaddon returned to subdue Taharka, but died en route. His son, Ashurbanipal, continued his father's military campaign. He demolished Taharka's army in the Delta and followed the King up the Nile to the Thebes. The Assyrians conquered Thebes and drove Taharka further south into Nubia. In 664 B.C. Taharka's twenty-six year reign ended when he died at the age of 45...

...The story of Taharka and the 25th dynasty is, in truth, the story of the "Last Stand" of the Black race in Egypt.  Although, in recounting the reign of Taharka, we have cast him and his predecessor, Piankhi, as conquerors of Egypt, they did not see themselves as such. They knew that the original Egyptians were from Nubia and that, gradually, over the Millennia Egypt had lost its African character and fallen under the "corrupt" influence of foreigners. Hence the pharaohs of the 25th dynasty viewed themselves as reclaiming their birthright and stimulating a renaissance of African culture along the Nile.

Unfortunately, unlike his mighty forebears, such as Sesostris, Thutmose I and Thutmose III, Taharka appeared at the end of the days of Black glory, when powerful foreign forces began desecrating, pillaging and raping Africa -- acts which continue today on the battlefield, in Western museums and in the Halls of Ivy.
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 The famous Nubian warriors - these from the 11th Dynasty:


From the 18th Dynasty:

What if I told you that the descendants of these warriors saved Jerusalem (for the Jews) from foreign invaders centuries later in 701 BCE........?

And two thousand 300 hundred years AFTER THAT gave the Brits their toughest fight......?

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If i recalled, my ancestors the anicent israelites were slaves of Egypt and Cush... However, my people the hebrews save Egypt from seven famine... 

btw, the original hebrews were black and came from Shem.. Many of those africans slaves that came to new world through middle passage are decendants of lost tribes of Israel..



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For centuries now, scholars have looked at evidence like this and concluded that guys like this are white!!!!


Arguing with engraved stone evidence is worse than arguing with yourself in the mirror!

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Funerary Statue of Mentuhotep II

Painted sandstone statue of Nebhepetre Mentuhotep (Mentuhotep II) wearing the red crown of Lower Egypt. From the 11th dynasty, circa 2060-2010 B.C

According to Egyptologist the middle kingdom had very close links to Nubia or Kush, and Amenement was obviously of Ta Seti ancestry and the prophecy of Neferti reinforced, however egyptologist debate about the 11th dynasty, however all of Mentuhotep wives were nubian or of Medjai descent, and some egyptologist speculate perhaps the pharaoh Mentuhotep was nubian as well.

Or,....how about this rendering of the same king?


Forget the coloring!  Look at his facial features.
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I haven't participated in this thread but I truly emjoyed following. It's tough to find people in Harrisburg,
PA who have read some of the books I have. I applaud all of you.
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