[Twin Que ASU]

Cholly,
I enjoy a good intellectual jost.  

Do any of the goats down in Awlbeneh know where Twin is because...sigh.

I'm here almost everyday.  I read, while scratching my head with amazement.  I'm not one for all the rhetorical insults or name calling, so I just read......

The republican party has changed pretty much like the democratic party has changed.  "I" think too many people are caught up in the politics of 'Politics.'  From conversations with my friends (BTW, mostly all look like me), all have share many conservative values.  From what I have learned, because who 'we' are and what 'we' have been through our social agenda is more sympathetic while the republican agenda remains apathetic.  With that said, neither party understands long range planning, social/economic growth & harmony.  Politics are 'messy' right now and will be till we figure out the 'real culprit' of the mess this country is in.  IMHO< that problem is caused by the 'pass' we give Congress for their irresponsibility.  Changes need to start there first.  
Like I will always say, I have conservative values but my thought will remain pragmatic.  I will never let one party dictate my agenda.......
Thanks Mister1Kester for asking my whereabouts......  Like Steve McQueen said in 'Papillon' when he tried his final escape from Devil's Island....  "I'm still here............"      

I REALLY don't want to give the impression that I'm picking a fight with you personally... just commenting on your comments.

I was a registered Republican for 20 years. During that period of time I watched the GOP move from being a party of FISCAL responsiblity to being a fring party dedicated to representing the interests of the ultra rich ONLY and using a number of means INCLUDING THE DELIBERATE SCAPEGOATING OF BLACKS to reach that goal.

While you CLAIM that both parties are the same, they in fact ARE NOT.

Health Care Reform passed without a SINGLE vote from the gop. So did Fair pay, the Increase in the Minimum Wage, and MOST of the PRO environmental and social legislation of the last decade.

The argument that BOTH parties are somehow equivalent or equal in their lack of benefit for black people is myopic and factually incorrect on EVERY level.

My main point is that Congress has been the irresponsible partner in this tri-form Government of ours.  Too much party line politicing and back office deal making has made the Executive Branch ineffective.  I support congressional term limits and accountably for their inaction.  We watched as jobs were siphoned overseas by over zealous businessmen.  We watched as the greedy banks and mortgage brokers let the housing market spin out of control.  Congress stood by and let this happen.  No one President in the last five terms set these conditions.  Congress did.  This is why I say both paties are guilty.......
As much as I am a proud military retiree, the military takes too much of our tax money.  Both parties have let this happen.
My personal values are conservative but that is not to say that anyone's else's should/must be.

[Bison66]

So, Y04, WHICH IS IT?

Is it REPUBLICANS or is it CONSERVATIVES that we should look to in order to answer the question bigram$ posed to his Republican friend about Republicans?

BTW, y04, bigram$ did NOT say the guy was a Conservative (re: your CINO point), he said he was a Republican.

[y04185]

b66, he said conservatives.  The conservative could be either a Republican or a democrat.

[Cholly]

cholly, The Contract for America is dead and has been dead for a long time.  BTW, I was the first on this board to call it the Contract on America.  I must have missed something in that contract since you agree with me.  I'll look it up and reread it. 

bigram$, something else you can tell your friend that seems to be a CINO is the following that is the backbone of conservatives regardless of political party.

The Ten Cannots

You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.

You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.

You cannot help little men by tearing down big men.

You cannot lift the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer.

You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.

You cannot establish sound security on borrowed money.

You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.

You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than you earn.

You cannot build character and courage by destroying men’s initiative and independence.

And you cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they can and should do for themselves.

Notice how it parrots right-wing talking points and STILL has yet to answer the question directly.

AGAIN, I submit that the initial bullet points this particular ditto-head regurgitated do NOTHING for any but the select group of rich, white, religious gunowners mentioned previously.

[Bison66]

b66, he said conservatives.  The conservative could be either a Republican or a democrat.

Really?

That's not what you said when you accused Cholly of lying:

Quote from: y04185 on Yesterday at 11:59:44 AM

Now cholly is a conservative brother.  He's been lying all these years about being a democrat.

But more to the point, I asked YOU to whom we should look to answer bigram$'s question.

So, ARE you saying that we should look to Conservatives to answer bigram$'s question?

[Cholly]

GOT HIM!!!

Looks like he is:



 

[uchighlander]

Let's see....

Republiklan legislatures all across the Nation are passing voting restrictions to limit early voting on sunday, limit registration times and groups that perform mass registration functions, and including new voter ID requirements... moves that will lessen the number of minorities, the elderly, and young people, ALL of whom  tend to vote Democratic.

They are using budget problems as an excuse to cut education, transportation, and social services for the middle class and poor, while  the same time, RE-DIRECTING state monies to tax cuts for corporations and the upper portion of the upper income members of their population.

They are breaking public sector union contracts and eliminating benefits for public employees. This includes unprecidented attacks against teachers and nurses and police officers and firefighters; people who until recently were considered HEROS for their work to help and or improve our society.

They are passing legislation limiting a womans right to choose and homosexuals rights to marry.

They are cutting back on or eliminating rules and regulations on everything from environmental to workplace safety. They are cutting restrictions on corporations and how they do business.

But worse of all, they are using a formula for economic "recovery" that has been COMPLETELY discredited and in fact, IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ECONOMIC MESS WE ARE IN TODAY.

Now... you tell ME; how do these changes benefit ANYONE other than a FEW rich people at the top?  

Why would ANY poor or middle class person support the gop when what the gop is doing is CLEARLY not in that persons best interests?

Let's see Scotts.....cleaning up the voting registration rolls in Florida. That helps every legal voter because their vote isn't diluted.

In California the Republicans put forth a budget that cut NO funds from education but the democratic majority ignored it. They went ahead with their budget that severly cut education then used that as an excuse to raise taxes. How does that help?

They finally recognize that union pensions and benefits are out of control and need to be curtailed....that's only common sense.

Show me in the constitution where marriage is granted  right Where abortin is a granted right. Where contaception is a granted right.

Envornmental regulations have stiffled business in California to the point where companies are leaving the state......with 1,000s of jobs. How does that help anyone?

Spend more than you make? How does that help anyone

You are critical of Y and his talking point however your post is nothing more the liberal talking points.....you just state them in a mean spirited way hoping to make an impact.....which you don't. GO VIKINGS!!!

[y04185]

b66, he said conservatives.  The conservative could be either a Republican or a democrat.

Really?

That's not what you said when you accused Cholly of lying:

Quote from: y04185 on Yesterday at 11:59:44 AM

Now cholly is a conservative brother.  He's been lying all these years about being a democrat.

But more to the point, I asked YOU to whom we should look to answer bigram$'s question.

So, ARE you saying that we should look to Conservatives to answer bigram$'s question?

As usual, you are wrong again.  I posted that because the question was for conservative brothers.  cholly was the first to respond.  cholly is not a conservative.  Reading is fundamental.

bigram$ asked the question to conservatives.  Yes conservatives should answer the question.  If I had asked the same question to the liberals on the board I would expect oldsport and uchighlander to stay silent.  At least until a few liberals answered the question.

[Cholly]

Let's see Scotts.....cleaning up the voting registration rolls in Florida. That helps every legal voter because their vote isn't diluted.

There have been fewer than 200 cases of voter fraud in Florida since 2000. Yet the alledged cleaning of the rolls threatens to disenfranchise THOUSANDS of otherwise eligible voters. What about THEIR votes village idiot?

In California the Republicans put forth a budget that cut NO funds from education but the democratic majority ignored it. They went ahead with their budget that severly cut education then used that as an excuse to raise taxes. How does that help?

I don't live in California, but I would ASSUME that additional funding will provide MORE services to MORE people. THAT, my idiotic friend, helps EVERYONE. 

They finally recognize that union pensions and benefits are out of control and need to be curtailed....that's only common sense.

MEANWHILE the people who EARNED those pensions and benefits are being hurt right? But NOT so everyone ESLE is helped. No... just the wealthiest tax payers.

Show me in the constitution where marriage is granted  right Where abortin is a granted right. Where contaception is a granted right.

You're kidding right? 

Envornmental regulations have stiffled business in California to the point where companies are leaving the state......with 1,000s of jobs. How does that help anyone?

Oh, I don't know; maybe by giving them CLEAN air to breathe and CLEAN water to drink, by reducing the dangerous and deadly chemical that businesses would otherwise just DUMP into the environment cutting EVERYONES quality of life AND life expectancy. IDIOT. 

Spend more than you make? How does that help anyone

ANOTHER stupid question.

Did you buy your car with cash? How about pay for your... "education"... did you pay cash for that? Do you even OWN any credit cards? Have any loans? Ever had them?

Look up HYPOCRISY.

You are critical of Y and his talking point however your post is nothing more the liberal talking points.....you just state them in a mean spirited way hoping to make an impact.....which you don't. GO VIKINGS!!!

See, THAT'S where you are wrong V.I. 

I didn't list liberal talking points; I listed FACTS that can be independently VERIFIED. Facts I might add, that demonstrate to any REASONABLE person WHY what republiklans have ACTUALLY put forward is NOT fair for ALL people as asked in the lead post of this thread.

And AGAIN... look up HYPOCRISY if you think my original post was stated in a mean spirited way but your simple-minded party-line reply was not.

IDIOT.

[Cholly]

b66, he said conservatives.  The conservative could be either a Republican or a democrat.

Really?

That's not what you said when you accused Cholly of lying:

Quote from: y04185 on Yesterday at 11:59:44 AM

Now cholly is a conservative brother.  He's been lying all these years about being a democrat.

But more to the point, I asked YOU to whom we should look to answer bigram$'s question.

So, ARE you saying that we should look to Conservatives to answer bigram$'s question?

As usual, you are wrong again.  I posted that because the question was for conservative brothers.  cholly was the first to respond.  cholly is not a conservative.  Reading is fundamental.

bigram$ asked the question to conservatives.  Yes conservatives should answer the question.  If I had asked the same question to the liberals on the board I would expect oldsport and uchighlander to stay silent.  At least until a few liberals answered the question.

I have NO patience for these MORONS. I won't play nice with them or even PRETEND that they deserve respect. 

wh?y, old spot and the local village idiot don't care about discourse and have shown REPEATEDLY their disdain for those who don't regurgitate the conservative party line.

SCREW'EM. 

[Ken]

Politics is like driving-- to go in reverse put it in R- to go forward put it in  D.

[Bison66]

b66, he said conservatives.  The conservative could be either a Republican or a democrat.

Really?

That's not what you said when you accused Cholly of lying:

Quote from: y04185 on Yesterday at 11:59:44 AM

Now cholly is a conservative brother.  He's been lying all these years about being a democrat.

But more to the point, I asked YOU to whom we should look to answer bigram$'s question.

So, ARE you saying that we should look to Conservatives to answer bigram$'s question?

As usual, you are wrong again.  I posted that because the question was for conservative brothers.  cholly was the first to respond.  cholly is not a conservative.  Reading is fundamental.

bigram$ asked the question to conservatives.  Yes conservatives should answer the question.  If I had asked the same question to the liberals on the board I would expect oldsport and uchighlander to stay silent.  At least until a few liberals answered the question.

Because it is obvious to all, I will not spend time to unravel what you said - unless you claim that I am avoiding something. 

However, I would appreciate a straight answer to a very simple question.

But more to the point, I asked YOU to whom we should look to answer bigram$'s question.

So, ARE you saying that we should look to Conservatives to answer bigram$'s question?

I am, to clarify, referring to the question that bigram$'s asked to his Republican friend in the bar.

Can you answer that, y04?

[Bro. Askia Musa Afiba]

Politics is like driving-- to go in reverse put it in R- to go forward put it in  D.

You are correct as usual Ken

I wonder if "Y" and other Black Republican conservatives of today, would have been "Jim Crow" Democrats back in the day, just like Black Republican conservative seem to be "Tea Party" Republicans today. If they would have been, I suppose they would be still trying to fool themselves in trying to make themselves believe that they were FREE THINKING Jim Crow Democrats, because Fredrick Douglas, Ida B. Well, Walter White and W.E.B. Dubois would have been too Liberal for them, and the NAACP would be too much trouble leading Black Folks the wrong way, regarding Equal Rights for Black People.

I was just wondering, if I were to compare today's Black "Tea Party" Conservative Republicans of today with the Black Republicans of 100 years+ ago (1866-1932), which crowd would "Y" and his crowd feel more comfortable with? I further wonder if yesterday's Black Republicans would be very "Proud or Ashamed" of what today's Black "Tea Party" Conservative Republicans have turned themselves into?

Where have all of the outstanding "Progressive" Black Republicans, who use to stand up for Black Issues, Civil Rights, Education, Jobs, Housing, Health Care and Human Rights run off to, over the last 40 years or so?

Just Wondering?  
 
Take care!

[uchighlander]

Let's see Scotts.....cleaning up the voting registration rolls in Florida. That helps every legal voter because their vote isn't diluted.

There have been fewer than 200 cases of voter fraud in Florida since 2000. Yet the alledged cleaning of the rolls threatens to disenfranchise THOUSANDS of otherwise eligible voters. What about THEIR votes village idiot?

In California the Republicans put forth a budget that cut NO funds from education but the democratic majority ignored it. They went ahead with their budget that severly cut education then used that as an excuse to raise taxes. How does that help?

I don't live in California, but I would ASSUME that additional funding will provide MORE services to MORE people. THAT, my idiotic friend, helps EVERYONE. 

They finally recognize that union pensions and benefits are out of control and need to be curtailed....that's only common sense.

MEANWHILE the people who EARNED those pensions and benefits are being hurt right? But NOT so everyone ESLE is helped. No... just the wealthiest tax payers.

Show me in the constitution where marriage is granted  right Where abortin is a granted right. Where contaception is a granted right.

You're kidding right? 

Envornmental regulations have stiffled business in California to the point where companies are leaving the state......with 1,000s of jobs. How does that help anyone?

Oh, I don't know; maybe by giving them CLEAN air to breathe and CLEAN water to drink, by reducing the dangerous and deadly chemical that businesses would otherwise just DUMP into the environment cutting EVERYONES quality of life AND life expectancy. IDIOT. 

Spend more than you make? How does that help anyone

ANOTHER stupid question.

Did you buy your car with cash? How about pay for your... "education"... did you pay cash for that? Do you even OWN any credit cards? Have any loans? Ever had them?

Look up HYPOCRISY.

You are critical of Y and his talking point however your post is nothing more the liberal talking points.....you just state them in a mean spirited way hoping to make an impact.....which you don't. GO VIKINGS!!!

See, THAT'S where you are wrong V.I. 

I didn't list liberal talking points; I listed FACTS that can be independently VERIFIED. Facts I might add, that demonstrate to any REASONABLE person WHY what republiklans have ACTUALLY put forward is NOT fair for ALL people as asked in the lead post of this thread.

And AGAIN... look up HYPOCRISY if you think my original post was stated in a mean spirited way but your simple-minded party-line reply was not.

IDIOT.

I listed facts too. Nothing is fair to ALL people. Life is not fair....it never will be. Get over it. GO VIKINGS!!!

[Cholly]

I listed facts too. Nothing is fair to ALL people. [Life is not fair....it never will be. Get over it. GO VIKINGS!!!

From the MOUTH of a conservative ladies and gentlemen. 

What further proof do you need that the republiklans don't represent your best interests? 

Even the POOR ones like the idiot above sympathize with the "screw you" attitude of those at the top of the income bracket.

Why would ANY middle class or poor person want to associate with such people?