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Offline oldsport

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Re: Donald Trump Enters The Barry Birth Eligibility Fray
« Reply #45 on: March 29, 2011, 10:05:58 AM »
The Two-Plus Million dollar question

or

the Semantic Racist




As I watched Whoppie Goldberg throw down the race card on Donald Trump during a recent View episode I had to ask myself the question are we doing this because Obama is half-black?

It is not that Obots have never accused me or the Birthers of racism before, (they do at least twice a month to me ) but it is a question I constantly need to ask myself for my own soul.

Leaving Vattel and what definition of natural-born citizen the Founding Fathers used in Article II's presidential eligibility clause aside and just staying with the birth certificate because the MainStream Media Liberals want to know why it is not good enough for us.

Let's also forget all the excellent work that presents clear and convincing evidence that this is a forgery, by Dr. Ron Pollard. Let's just look at Day 1 when Obama said, “Let there be light on my birth certificate” and it shone forth for America to see from the DailyKos.

Were we suspicious because the Certification Number was blacked out? They did give a decent reason for it and many people accepted it. Although technically it was an alteration and by the words on the COLB itself did invalidate it. But no that was not it.

It was one out of place word. Not out of place like it was in the wrong field, it was out of place in time. That word was (and I am sure I will be again called a racist) AFRICAN!




The excellent research done by … My Very Own Point of View … clearly shows that in 1961 that African was not an option for race. The only descriptive word that could have been used to describe Obama's father's race in 1961 would have appeared as “NEGRO.”

Because that word was distasteful to some, it was changed later on to “BLACK” and “AFRICAN-AMERICAN.” AFRICAN is not now nor has it been used in the past as a descriptor for race on any vital record.

Before some Obot tries to be smart and says “Obama amended his birth certificate because he was offended by the term NEGRO, and changed it to African-American, only the computer cut it off,” let's look at how computer databases and computer generated forms work. All records in a database are broken into smaller sections call fields. Fields are defined inside the database to include many attributes including length. Forms which use the database record are nothing more than a graphical layout of the fields in the database record, and also have a length definition. Let us assume that the racial descriptor CAUCASIAN is the largest word that can be inserted into that field, CAUCASIAN has a total of 9 letters, so the field for race would have a length of 9 letters. If a field in the database has a length greater than the field in the form, the form will fill up to its length and then cut of the remaining letters. So if Obama's Birth Certificate was amended to change his father's race to AFRICAN-AMERICAN then we would have seen the first nine letters which are AFRICAN-A on the COLB. We do see nine letters on the mother's race.

Now this leads us to another issue, amending the birth certificate. Did Obama amend his birth certificate? It is ludicrous to think Hawaii simply changed everyone's racial descriptor on its own, with out a law giving them the authority to do so in place. So, if this is a “genuine” COLB only Obama could have requested the HHS of Hawaii amend his birth record. So what everyone is pointing to, at best, is not his “original” birth certificate.

What “the Donald” said that got Whoppie's panties in a knot was, “There's something on that birth certificate that he doesn't like,” in fact has some basis of truth.

The two million plus dollar question we want to know is what is recorded on the original birth certificate that Obama has spent over two million dollars hiding.

One startling fact we Birthers discovered in this quest was in 1961 the law of Hawaii was that A parent may register an in-state birth in lieu of certification by a hospital under HRS 338-5.

§338-5 Compulsory registration of births. Within the time prescribed by the department of health, a certificate of every birth shall be substantially completed and filed with the local agent of the department in the district in which the birth occurred, by the administrator or designated representative of the birthing facility, or physician, or midwife, or other legally authorized person in attendance at the birth; or if not so attended, by one of the parents.

The birth facility shall make available to the department appropriate medical records for the purpose of monitoring compliance with the provisions of this chapter. [L 1949, c 327, §9; RL 1955, §57-8; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-5; am L 1988, c 149, §1]

This is what prompted many to suspect a “foreign” birth for Obama. The same law that gave Sun Yet Sen a Hawaiian COLB was in effect for Obama, PROVIDE FOR THE ISSUANCE OF CERTIFICATES OF HAWAIIAN BIRTH. ACT 96. (Seen Below)

AN ACT

To Provide For The Issuance Of Certificates Of Hawaiian Birth.

Be it Enacted by the Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii:

ACT 96.

AN ACT

To PROVIDE FOR THE ISSUANCE OF CERTIFICATES OF HAWAIIAN BIRTH.

Be it Enacted by the Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii:

SECTION 1. The Secretary of Hawaii may, whenever satisfied that any person was born within the Hawaiian Islands, cause to be issued to such person a certificate showing such fact. The Secretary, with the approval of the Governor, may make such regulations respecting the form of application and certificates, the method of proof, kind of evidence, and time, place and manner of hearing, and all other matters and circumstances connected with such application, proof and hearing as to him may appear necessary, and such regulations, when so approved and published once a week for three successive weeks in a newspaper of general circulation published in the Territory, shall have the force of law, and such publication shall be deemed legal notice to all persons. The Secretary may furnish the form of such applications and certificates. All applications shall be by sworn petition, in which the party shall set forth circumstantially all the facts upon which his application rests, and shall be accompanied by sworn affidavits of witnesses. The Secretary and such persons as he may designate and appoint may examine, under oath, any applicant or person cognizant of the facts regarding any application and for that purpose he and they are hereby authorized and empowered to administer oaths, subpoena and compel the attendance of witnesses and the production of books and papers, punish for contempts and, generally, to exercise the same authority with regard to their special jurisdiction as is by law conferred on District Magistrates.

SECTION 2. Any applicant or any person, who shall give or offer any false testimony, oral or written, under oath, in support or respect of any application for a certificate under the provisions of the foregoing Section, shall be deemed guilty of perjury and shall be punishable accordingly.

SECTION 3. Any certificate of Hawaiian Birth heretofore issued under or by virtue of any law of the Territory, or which may be issued in conformity with the provisions of this Act, shall be prima facie evidence of the facts therein stated.

SECTION 4. A fee of Five Dollars ($5.00) shall be charged by the Secretary before issuing any such certificate; all such fees received shall be paid by the Secretary, to the Treasurer of the Territory, as a government realization.

SECTION 5. This Act shall take effect from and after the date of its approval.

Approved this 17th day of April, A. D. 1911.

WALTEK F. FKEAR, Governor of the Territory of Hawaii.

All what was needed was for a person to make an application swear to the facts contained in the application. There is a very real possibility using the laws in effect in Hawaii when Obama was born that Obama was not born in Hawaii or even the United States, and in order to secure a US Birth Certificate for him all that was required was for a family member to apply for it saying he was born at home and not in a hospital, and swear to these facts. This does not mean there was some diabolical plan hatched in 1961 to make Obama the President of the United States one day, it was only that the family realized his life and their life would be easier if he has an American birth certificate. This is one of the obots favorite tactics, to say the Birthers believe there was an international-communist conspiracy to elect Obama. Truth is we simply believe the Dunhams only acted in Obama's and his mother's best interests at the time, which was only to secure American citizenship for him so he could have a relatively normal life.

This is why the officials of Hawaii can say, their records indicate Obama was born in Hawaii and they have the records to prove it. However they are not telling us the whole truth, because Hawaii itself admits their system of recording and amending birth certificates is imperfect and subject to error and should not be taken at face value when offered as evidence but determined by authorities to whom it is offered into evidence. HRS 338-17

§338-17 Late or altered certificate as evidence. The probative value of a "late" or "altered" certificate shall be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence. [L 1949, c 327, §21; RL 1955, §57-20; HRS §338-17; am L 1997, c 305, §4]

Since the online COLB was offered to us, we the people we have the right to question and determine if we will accept it. (Memo to Whoppie: It is the law that gives “the Donald” and all us Birthers the right to question Obama's on-line COLB.) Why is Hawaii not allowing us to gather the necessary information to determine its probative value borders on a criminal conspiracy on behalf of the Hawaiian officials.

Clearly these “officials” can be motivated not to tell the whole truth for political, ideological or monetary reasons. Instead they hide behind creative interpretations and laws of secrecy. I am sure that at the very least they have an application for a Certificate of Live Birth in their archives that states that the person today known as Barack Hussein Obama, II was born at 6085 Kalanianaole Highway, in Honolulu, HI and was witnessed by Stanley and/or Madelyn Dunham. You may even find one of these names as the informant, or at the very least the handwriting of one of these two signing Stanley Ann's name.

Obots like to say that the on-line COLB is the only type of Birth Certificate Hawaii issues. As Bill Clinton once said, “That dog don't hunt,” because under Hawaiian law the COLB is an option under HRS 338-14.3 a full certificate can be and have been issued by Hawaii to and for others.

So the two million plus dollar question for Donald Trump to ask is, “When did AFRICAN become a valid and legal classification for race under the vital statistic laws of Hawaii and the United States?”

There are those who will call us racists, but is it racism we are being accused of or perhaps something more terrible to the liberal mind? Perhaps we Birthers are guilty of abandoning the politically correct way of thinking and adopting an old way called thinking critically in examining the evidence?

Whatever … which ever idiot typed in AFRICAN is the one who started this whole thing. Imagine if they simply typed NEGRO, then perhaps 30% of Americans might question Obama's eligibility instead of 91%.

Yep, 91% of Americans have doubts about the man called Barack Hussein Obama, II and no longer believe in Obama's eligibility story. Whoopie! (And I don't mean Goldberg that is)

http://birthers.org/

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Re: Donald Trump Enters The Barry Birth Eligibility Fray
« Reply #46 on: March 29, 2011, 10:41:50 AM »
I see your ventriloquist is working  overtime this morning.

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Re: Donald Trump Enters The Barry Birth Eligibility Fray
« Reply #47 on: March 29, 2011, 11:36:34 AM »
I see your ventriloquist is working  overtime this morning.

Yes. Please run to your liberal/socialist/communist masters for spin on my latest post.

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Re: Donald Trump Enters The Barry Birth Eligibility Fray
« Reply #48 on: March 29, 2011, 11:53:58 AM »
OS, how much is Joe Farrah paying you to cut-n-paste the entire birther movement on this site?

I guess one can't live off social security and a law clerk's salary alone.

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Re: Donald Trump Enters The Barry Birth Eligibility Fray
« Reply #49 on: March 29, 2011, 12:29:20 PM »
He is workin overtime cause they are paying him is dollars--what he really wanted was a month's supply of beans, salt pork and molassess.

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Re: Donald Trump Enters The Barry Birth Eligibility Fray
« Reply #50 on: March 29, 2011, 03:39:19 PM »
He is workin overtime cause they are paying him is dollars--what he really wanted was a month's supply of beans, salt pork and molassess.

That's all you got IDIOT....because you got nothing else. I am going to watch your stupid a-- world fall apart and down around you.

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/03/donald-trump-trumps-idiots-in-media.html

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/03/official-donald-trump-is-natural-born.html

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Re: Donald Trump Enters The Barry Birth Eligibility Fray
« Reply #51 on: March 29, 2011, 10:20:48 PM »
OS, given what your boy, Inmate Lakin, has done, would you go to war for a president with a toy birth certificate?

Dayum, Trump should've got his birth certificate from this lil' pookie

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Re: Donald Trump Enters The Barry Birth Eligibility Fray
« Reply #52 on: March 31, 2011, 01:09:04 PM »
Trump should have stayed out of this.  The Donald is smarter than this.

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Re: Donald Trump Enters The Barry Birth Eligibility Fray
« Reply #53 on: March 31, 2011, 01:42:12 PM »
Apparently not

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Re: Donald Trump Enters The Barry Birth Eligibility Fray
« Reply #54 on: March 31, 2011, 01:45:40 PM »
From the "Colbert Report"

Donald Trump:  " You got my birth certificate?? Then put tits on it and a night gown and take it to my bed room".

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Re: Donald Trump Enters The Barry Birth Eligibility Fray
« Reply #55 on: March 31, 2011, 04:37:24 PM »
Trump is just getting started. I bet he's got the real 'P' bomb...to drop and he's holding some things back. Trump is a super smart man.  He's been in more high stakes gambles than Barry. He's got all kinds of sources that Barry does not have.

I am just going to sit back and watch this chit on fold on Barry.

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Re: Donald Trump Enters The Barry Birth Eligibility Fray
« Reply #56 on: March 31, 2011, 06:40:27 PM »
I bet you were killin' 'em in spelling bees back in the day.

''on fold''

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Re: Donald Trump Enters The Barry Birth Eligibility Fray
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Re: Donald Trump Enters The Barry Birth Eligibility Fray
« Reply #58 on: April 05, 2011, 01:47:18 AM »
Trump is just getting started. I bet he's got the real 'P' bomb...to drop and he's holding some things back. Trump is a super smart man.  He's been in more high stakes gambles than Barry. He's got all kinds of sources that Barry does not have.

I am just going to sit back and watch this chit on fold on Barry.

You are delusional!
Trump is just pandering to peckerwoods like you.
Feel free to start a thread when the Donald drops his "bomb" so we'll know all about it.
If that doesn't happen, your record of being 100% will continue unabated.
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Re: Donald Trump Enters The Barry Birth Eligibility Fray
« Reply #59 on: April 05, 2011, 03:54:52 PM »
I bet you were killin' 'em in spelling bees back in the day.

''on fold''

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:lol:.........c'mon, brutha MI, you trip me out when you start "f'ing" with this clown.  :lol:

 

 

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