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Overpaid Teachers?
« on: February 24, 2011, 12:06:33 PM »
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/answer-sheet/teachers/are-you-sick-of-highly-paid-te.html

Posted at 11:10 AM ET, 02/24/2011
Sick of highly paid teachers? Here's what to do
By Valerie Strauss

Here’s a post from an unknown author that has become popular with teachers on Facebook. It speaks for itself.

Teachers’ hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work 9 or 10 months a year!

It’s time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do - babysit! We can get that for less than minimum wage.

That’s right. Let’s give them $3 an hour and only the hours they worked; not any of that silly planning time, or any time they spend before or after school. That would be $19.50 a day (7:45 to 3:00 PM with 45 min. off for lunch and plan-- that equals 6 1/2 hours).

Each parent should pay $19.50 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children. Now how many students do they teach in a day...maybe 30? So that’s $19.50 x 30 = $585 a day.

However, remember they only work 180 days a year!!! I am not going to pay them for any vacations.

LET’S SEE....

That’s $585 X 180= $105,300 per year. (Hold on! My calculator needs new batteries).

What about those special education teachers and the ones with Master’s degrees? Well, we could pay them minimum wage ($7.75), and just to be fair, round it off to $8.00 an hour. That would be $8 X 6 1/2 hours X 30 children X 180 days = $280,800 per year.
Wait a minute -- there’s something wrong here! There sure is!

The average teacher’s salary (nationwide) is $50,000. $50,000/180 days
= $277.77/per day/30 students=$9.25/6.5 hours = $1.42 per hour per student--a very inexpensive baby-sitter and they even EDUCATE your kids!) WHAT A DEAL!!!!

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Re: Overpaid Teachers?
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2011, 01:20:17 PM »
How about that - good analysis.  :clap: :clap:

It's funny how we have no problem paying folks who play/coach games multi millions of dollars - but when it comes to the people we entrust our children to on a daily basis, we barely want to pay them the minimum wage and then have the audacity to talk about how they ought to be GLAD. ::)  It's funny how we want to be compensated for having college degrees, but don't want to pay others who have more than one degree AND who are responsible for teaching your child, for babysitting your child, for being a social worker for your child, for being a surrogate parent to your child, for being a counselor for your child, and spending more time a day with your child than YOU DO... :no:


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Re: Overpaid Teachers?
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2011, 01:34:04 PM »
The real issue is not about pay. The real issue is about strapped state and municipal budgets. Most of the states and local governments can not raise taxes in a depressed economy. Moreover, real estate values have fallen. So, it's difficult to raise property taxes.

The alternative that states and munipalities are faced with is having public sector employees (like teachers and others) pay a larger share of the benefit package. Also, the states must reform their pension systems to something very similar to what is done in the private sector.

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Re: Overpaid Teachers?
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2011, 02:42:27 PM »

The real issue is not about pay. The real issue is about strapped state and municipal budgets.


The problem I have with it all is that, I have yet to hear of one legislator/administrator/CEO/top level manager/mid-level manager, etc. talk about taking a pay reduction, or giving up benefits for themselves in order to show leadership in what they're advocating their subordinates/constituents to do. I have yet to hear one company owner agree to forgo a a percentage of their profits in order to ease the burden on the consumers who purchase their goods. And, a 1000% percent markup with 15% off doesn't count...

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« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2011, 03:56:23 PM »

The real issue is not about pay. The real issue is about strapped state and municipal budgets.


The problem I have with it all is that, I have yet to hear of one legislator/administrator/CEO/top level manager/mid-level manager, etc. talk about taking a pay reduction, or giving up benefits for themselves in order to show leadership in what they're advocating their subordinates/constituents to do. I have yet to hear one company owner agree to forgo a a percentage of their profits in order to ease the burden on the consumers who purchase their goods. And, a 1000% percent markup with 15% off doesn't count...

Wait a minute we're talking about public sector employees (i.e. teachers.) Come to think of it I haven't heard President Obama talking about giving up some of his pay. Neither have I heard any liberals/socialists/communists fat cats (because buddy there are fat cats of that stripe) talk about giving up their perks either.

Look, the discussion is how to avoid states and municipalities from going bust and how to keep public sector employees employed.

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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2011, 04:34:42 PM »

The real issue is not about pay. The real issue is about strapped state and municipal budgets.


The problem I have with it all is that, I have yet to hear of one legislator/administrator/CEO/top level manager/mid-level manager, etc. talk about taking a pay reduction, or giving up benefits for themselves in order to show leadership in what they're advocating their subordinates/constituents to do. I have yet to hear one company owner agree to forgo a a percentage of their profits in order to ease the burden on the consumers who purchase their goods. And, a 1000% percent markup with 15% off doesn't count...

Wait a minute we're talking about public sector employees (i.e. teachers.) Come to think of it I haven't heard President Obama talking about giving up some of his pay. Neither have I heard any liberals/socialists/communists fat cats (because buddy there are fat cats of that stripe) talk about giving up their perks either.

Look, the discussion is how to avoid states and municipalities from going bust and how to keep public sector employees employed.

Downsize management, then let those that are left take a pay cut...

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« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2011, 04:37:11 PM »
Ok - so then how about you making the first step and giving up your military pension that comes at taxpayers expense - how about that?

No?  Why? Because you earned it? Of course you did and I don't begrudge anyone who has served in the military a pension at my expense - not even you. So why would you expect someone else, who has earned their pension, to give up theirs because it is taxpayer funded just like yours?

What soflo said is correct. Why is it that the folks who make these laws are not willing to "share in the sacrifice?" Why are the folks who are always yapping about smaller govt not willing to do without having the snow cleared from their roads? Why aren't you willing to do without police and fire services? Why aren't you willing to do without garbage pickup? Why aren't you willing to give up all of the things that your taxes are suppose to pay for?


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Re: Overpaid Teachers?
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2011, 04:49:12 PM »

The real issue is not about pay. The real issue is about strapped state and municipal budgets.


The problem I have with it all is that, I have yet to hear of one legislator/administrator/CEO/top level manager/mid-level manager, etc. talk about taking a pay reduction, or giving up benefits for themselves in order to show leadership in what they're advocating their subordinates/constituents to do. I have yet to hear one company owner agree to forgo a a percentage of their profits in order to ease the burden on the consumers who purchase their goods. And, a 1000% percent markup with 15% off doesn't count...

Wait a minute we're talking about public sector employees (i.e. teachers.) Come to think of it I haven't heard President Obama talking about giving up some of his pay. Neither have I heard any liberals/socialists/communists fat cats (because buddy there are fat cats of that stripe) talk about giving up their perks either.

Look, the discussion is how to avoid states and municipalities from going bust and how to keep public sector employees employed.

Downsize management, then let those that are left take a pay cut...

You know what's so funny. In the public sector it's something they don't want to do- downsize management. Right now, your union buddies hit the streets because nobody wants to sacrifice. Let's just drive the state and municipality right into bankruptcy. What's so funny is these states and municipalities (especially the urban midwest and east coast) have been under Dem-O-Crap and liberal government for years....and years and years.
The perverbal chicken has finally come home to roost.

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Re: Overpaid Teachers?
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2011, 04:59:52 PM »
Ok - so then how about you making the first step and giving up your military pension that comes at taxpayers expense - how about that?

No?  Why? Because you earned it? Of course you did and I don't begrudge anyone who has served in the military a pension at my expense - not even you. So why would you expect someone else, who has earned their pension, to give up theirs because it is taxpayer funded just like yours?

What soflo said is correct. Why is it that the folks who make these laws are not willing to "share in the sacrifice?" Why are the folks who are always yapping about smaller govt not willing to do without having the snow cleared from their roads? Why aren't you willing to do without police and fire services? Why aren't you willing to do without garbage pickup? Why aren't you willing to give up all of the things that your taxes are suppose to pay for?

Because to "some people", what they "rightfully earn", others are "undeservedly given"? :shrug:
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« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2011, 05:19:50 PM »

The real issue is not about pay. The real issue is about strapped state and municipal budgets.


The problem I have with it all is that, I have yet to hear of one legislator/administrator/CEO/top level manager/mid-level manager, etc. talk about taking a pay reduction, or giving up benefits for themselves in order to show leadership in what they're advocating their subordinates/constituents to do. I have yet to hear one company owner agree to forgo a a percentage of their profits in order to ease the burden on the consumers who purchase their goods. And, a 1000% percent markup with 15% off doesn't count...

Wait a minute we're talking about public sector employees (i.e. teachers.) Come to think of it I haven't heard President Obama talking about giving up some of his pay. Neither have I heard any liberals/socialists/communists fat cats (because buddy there are fat cats of that stripe) talk about giving up their perks either.

Look, the discussion is how to avoid states and municipalities from going bust and how to keep public sector employees employed.

Downsize management, then let those that are left take a pay cut...

You know what's so funny. In the public sector it's something they don't want to do- downsize management. Right now, your union buddies hit the streets because nobody wants to sacrifice. Let's just drive the state and municipality right into bankruptcy. What's so funny is these states and municipalities (especially the urban midwest and east coast) have been under Dem-O-Crap and liberal government for years....and years and years.
The perverbal chicken has finally come home to roost.


It's clear you need some binoculars. Every state in this country is broke and it's funny how those "right-to-work" states seem to be just as broke, if not broker, than the others. Clearly big business (i.e. Republicans) in the private sector have robbed this country and you and others of your ilk have gone right along with it. They have made billions of dollars at the expense of working class folks and not only have they not been willing to help out, their greed is what sent this country into financial collapse in the first place. So you can blame YOUR friends, the "share in the sacrifice as long as I don't have to share in it" crowd...  :nod:


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Re: Overpaid Teachers?
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2011, 07:52:23 PM »

The real issue is not about pay. The real issue is about strapped state and municipal budgets.


The problem I have with it all is that, I have yet to hear of one legislator/administrator/CEO/top level manager/mid-level manager, etc. talk about taking a pay reduction, or giving up benefits for themselves in order to show leadership in what they're advocating their subordinates/constituents to do. I have yet to hear one company owner agree to forgo a a percentage of their profits in order to ease the burden on the consumers who purchase their goods. And, a 1000% percent markup with 15% off doesn't count...

Wait a minute we're talking about public sector employees (i.e. teachers.) Come to think of it I haven't heard President Obama talking about giving up some of his pay. Neither have I heard any liberals/socialists/communists fat cats (because buddy there are fat cats of that stripe) talk about giving up their perks either.

Look, the discussion is how to avoid states and municipalities from going bust and how to keep public sector employees employed.

Downsize management, then let those that are left take a pay cut...

You know what's so funny. In the public sector it's something they don't want to do- downsize management. Right now, your union buddies hit the streets because nobody wants to sacrifice. Let's just drive the state and municipality right into bankruptcy. What's so funny is these states and municipalities (especially the urban midwest and east coast) have been under Dem-O-Crap and liberal government for years....and years and years.
The perverbal chicken has finally come home to roost.


It's clear you need some binoculars. Every state in this country is broke and it's funny how those "right-to-work" states seem to be just as broke, if not broker, than the others. Clearly big business (i.e. Republicans) in the private sector have robbed this country and you and others of your ilk have gone right along with it. They have made billions of dollars at the expense of working class folks and not only have they not been willing to help out, their greed is what sent this country into financial collapse in the first place. So you can blame YOUR friends, the "share in the sacrifice as long as I don't have to share in it" crowd...  :nod:
Thanks sister GK for opening the door for me.  As my frat wrote in his letter that injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. I work for the state and I hate to see what some people are doing to the State worker and mainly the tax payers of GA. For years now lots of States have been outsourcing state jobs to the private industries and all the state employee is suppose to do is management the contractors.  In some areas this can work well because most DOT no longer build roads but let the contractors do the work. Now they want to expand that to as many jobs as possible.

The problem is these company get huge contacts 50 million or more to provide a service; however, in many cases, they have to be trained by the State workers. The state workers have to inspect the work which often times contains errors; thus not meeting the State standards. There have been many case where the state workers have to redo the work which cost more money. Although we hold a bond on that company, often times the company will go out of business only to rise as a new company. Often times these guys do sloppy work and it would be better if they let the state work perform the work.

It breaks my heart because they use the poor state workers to do their dirt and steal money.  The state worker need to get a tax breaks from the furlough days they had to take.
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Re: Overpaid Teachers?
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2011, 08:12:15 AM »
so now it is an injustice for a state to not have enough money.  that is not what mlk was talking about.  stop getting it twisted.  it is amazing that those who never served are the first to speak about giving up an earned military retirement.  members of the military that serve long enough to retire have done more to earn that retirement than any civilian ever will. 

here in virginia the outgoing coward democrat governor made a furlough day without pay in may of last year.  he left office in january of last year.  he wouldn't have the furlough on his watch.  my current governor has balanced the budget without layoffs.  he found a billion dollars in the department of transportation.  he found money already in the state coffers to re-open rest stops on the interstates. 

this recession has crossed party lines.  the democratic governor in north carolina might have to lay off workers.  the money is not there and the states have to do their jobs with less.  this is a reality of the times we live in. 
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« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2011, 10:12:02 AM »
Just make sure that when it's your private sector job, you have that same reality... :nod:


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« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2011, 11:00:54 AM »
A recession is the absolute WRONG time to reduce government spending.

Are you saying you won't put that back yard fire out with your hose because you haven't paid your water bill?!?!  :crazy:

PUT THE FIRE OUT AND WORRY ABOUT THE BILL LATER!!!  :brickwall:


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« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2011, 07:11:20 PM »
so now it is an injustice for a state to not have enough money.  that is not what mlk was talking about.  stop getting it twisted.  it is amazing that those who never served are the first to speak about giving up an earned military retirement.  members of the military that serve long enough to retire have done more to earn that retirement than any civilian ever will. 

here in virginia the outgoing coward democrat governor made a furlough day without pay in may of last year.  he left office in january of last year.  he wouldn't have the furlough on his watch.  my current governor has balanced the budget without layoffs.  he found a billion dollars in the department of transportation.  he found money already in the state coffers to re-open rest stops on the interstates. 

this recession has crossed party lines.  the democratic governor in north carolina might have to lay off workers.  the money is not there and the states have to do their jobs with less.  this is a reality of the times we live in. 

It is an injustice when you refuse to pay your people and then take money away via furloughs; yet you sign a 50 Million dollars deal with a private company to provide service.  The private company is using your employees to solve the issues that you paid them to do.  It seems to me that you should invest that 50 Mill in your own people who are doing the work without getting as much money.  Let me ask you a question Mt. Business owner, would you pay a company for services but they do not fulfill that agreement.  Suppose they were coming to you for every problem they had, would you feel why the LLLLLLLLLLL I am paying you.
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