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Re: 'Secession Ball' divides many in Charleston, S.C.
« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2010, 11:01:03 AM »
why are they celebrating losing a war that they started. 
Answer:  I dunno.  But I also often wonder why negroes on this board support a political party which promotes policies and ideas that are anathema to the overwhelming majority of black folks.

Yeah, I wonder about these things.

 ;D

The same reason the majority of negroes on this board supports a political party which have leaders walking around talking about Obama does not speak with a "Negro Dialect"
 
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i don't speak with a negro dialect.  neither do my parents. 

No such thing as a negro dialect because it implies that all negros speak alike when they dont.

I don't agree with that.  I think there are negro dialect(s) -- speech patterns that are associated with Blacks and no other race.

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Re: 'Secession Ball' divides many in Charleston, S.C.
« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2010, 11:07:34 AM »
why are they celebrating losing a war that they started. 
Answer:  I dunno.  But I also often wonder why negroes on this board support a political party which promotes policies and ideas that are anathema to the overwhelming majority of black folks.

Yeah, I wonder about these things.

 ;D

The same reason the majority of negroes on this board supports a political party which have leaders walking around talking about Obama does not speak with a "Negro Dialect"
 
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.......actually, its true, the gentleman does NOT speak with an negro dialect.

BTW, I noticed the foreign flag which accompanies your avatar.  In what english dialect do YOU speak, "mate"?  :)

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Re: 'Secession Ball' divides many in Charleston, S.C.
« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2010, 11:12:12 AM »
Let me get back to the subject at hand!!!

Here is another thread.

why are they celebrating losing a war that they started.  
Answer:  I dunno.  But I also often wonder why negroes on this board support a political party which promotes policies and ideas that are anathema to the overwhelming majority of black folks.

Yeah, I wonder about these things.

 ;D

I wonder how many people "celebrating, remembering or commemorating" the succession of the Confederacy vote for the GOP, the party of Lincoln and the radical republicans of reconstruction.
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Re: 'Secession Ball' divides many in Charleston, S.C.
« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2010, 11:13:43 AM »
Had to research that because I wasn't clear.

Of the negro dialect in general as spoken in the United States today, there are four varieties:

1. The dialect of Virginia, especially of Eastern or Tide-water Virginia
2. The dialect of the Sea Islands of the South Atlantic States, known as the Gullah (or Gulla) dialect.
3.  The dialect spoken by the Creole negroes of Louisiana.

My bet is that ya'll are referring to this one.  :shrug:

4.  The Uncle Remus dialect  or the dialect spoken by the negroes in the great inland sections of the South and South-west. Though there have been changes in vocabulary and a decline in vigour and picturesqueness of expression, due to the influence of negro schools and to the passing of the old plantation life, this is the dialect still spoken by the majority of the older negroes in the country districts of the South, especially of the far South. The characteristics of this dialect consist wholly in adaptation of existing English words and endings, not in the introduction of new words or new endings. The plurals of all nouns tend to become regular. Thus Uncle Remus says foots (feet), toofies (teeth), and gooses (geese), though the old plural year is retained. The relative pronoun who is not used, its place being taken by which (or w’ich), what (or w’at), dat, and the more interesting which he and which dey, corresponding to Chaucer’s that he and that they. Thus: “She holler so loud dat Brer Rabbit, which he wuz gwine by, got de idee dat she wuz callin’ him.”   28
  
Another interesting characteristic of the Uncle Remus speech is found in the present tense of verbs. Uncle Remus does not say, for example, I make, you make, he makes, we make, you make, they make, but I makes, you makes, he makes, we makes, you makes, dey makes. Negro dialect, like the dialect of all illiterate peoples, is an ear dialect. The eye has nothing to do with it. The law of analogy, therefore, which is nothing more than the rule of the majority, has unfettered operation. The illiterate man, whether black or white, hearing the third person singular with its invariable s-ending far more frequently than he hears any other form of the present tense, makes it his norm and uses it for all forms of both numbers. The same is true of the verb to be, though is has not in the language of Uncle Remus entirely succeeded in dispossessing am and are.

http://www.bartleby.com/226/2011.html

Classic vernacular found in the minstrels of the 19th and 20th century. :no:

Harry Reid is a racialist, and any party that would have him in their ranks is racist.

I think you meant racist.  I don't think we can generalized like that.  While I don't belong to either party I am not naive enough to think that Reid makes the whole Dem party racist no more that Jesse Helms made the whole Rep party racist.  I'm sure there are some good republicans out there, they are just normally not the ones in the the limelight and their intentions for this country are honorable.

That's like saying one ignorant poster on this board makes the whole board ignorant.  :shrug:

Racialist is what I meant,but I wont call you ignorant(the way you slyly did with me at the end of that post) because you might not be from a place which speaks English with the large vocabulary that it is spoken with elsewhere.

Harry Reid, with his racialist and racist ideas, is in a leadership position in the democratic party. If he was a regular member....ok, but since hes a leader he makes that party racist for not booting him out when he made those statements.
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Re: 'Secession Ball' divides many in Charleston, S.C.
« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2010, 11:36:12 AM »
Pardon 82?  :shrug: ???

GK I am as puzzled as you are, because I was never aware that was considered a dialect.

It is an absolutely foolish asertion that "Uncle Remus" was a dialect.  That was more a function of a lack of education because blacks were denied educational opportunities.  That is not a dialect that is a condition.  :shrug:

I guess they were expecting a Ivy League educated black man to say,  I's here,  My toofies is hurtin, Sasha fectch me sum wata,  Michelle makes me sum  bisstits.  ???:shrug:


where have you been.  it is a dialect.  you should hang out with more educated blacks.  they consistently murder the english language.  with their negro dialect.  evidently you have never heard anyone 'sound black' when they talk.
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Re: 'Secession Ball' divides many in Charleston, S.C.
« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2010, 01:47:49 PM »
It is not a dialect, it is called regional pronunciation.  For example in Texas whites say "all" for "oil", in Boston Ted Kennedy says, "Obammer" instead of Obama.  And most of the Irish in Boston say "Obammer".  We really don't speak English--the Brits say we speak American--so I guess that too is a dialect.

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Re: 'Secession Ball' divides many in Charleston, S.C.
« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2010, 02:42:38 PM »
Had to research that because I wasn't clear.

Of the negro dialect in general as spoken in the United States today, there are four varieties:

1. The dialect of Virginia, especially of Eastern or Tide-water Virginia
2. The dialect of the Sea Islands of the South Atlantic States, known as the Gullah (or Gulla) dialect.
3.  The dialect spoken by the Creole negroes of Louisiana.

My bet is that ya'll are referring to this one.  :shrug:

4.  The Uncle Remus dialect  or the dialect spoken by the negroes in the great inland sections of the South and South-west. Though there have been changes in vocabulary and a decline in vigour and picturesqueness of expression, due to the influence of negro schools and to the passing of the old plantation life, this is the dialect still spoken by the majority of the older negroes in the country districts of the South, especially of the far South. The characteristics of this dialect consist wholly in adaptation of existing English words and endings, not in the introduction of new words or new endings. The plurals of all nouns tend to become regular. Thus Uncle Remus says foots (feet), toofies (teeth), and gooses (geese), though the old plural year is retained. The relative pronoun who is not used, its place being taken by which (or w’ich), what (or w’at), dat, and the more interesting which he and which dey, corresponding to Chaucer’s that he and that they. Thus: “She holler so loud dat Brer Rabbit, which he wuz gwine by, got de idee dat she wuz callin’ him.”   28
  
Another interesting characteristic of the Uncle Remus speech is found in the present tense of verbs. Uncle Remus does not say, for example, I make, you make, he makes, we make, you make, they make, but I makes, you makes, he makes, we makes, you makes, dey makes. Negro dialect, like the dialect of all illiterate peoples, is an ear dialect. The eye has nothing to do with it. The law of analogy, therefore, which is nothing more than the rule of the majority, has unfettered operation. The illiterate man, whether black or white, hearing the third person singular with its invariable s-ending far more frequently than he hears any other form of the present tense, makes it his norm and uses it for all forms of both numbers. The same is true of the verb to be, though is has not in the language of Uncle Remus entirely succeeded in dispossessing am and are.

http://www.bartleby.com/226/2011.html

Classic vernacular found in the minstrels of the 19th and 20th century. :no:

Harry Reid is a racialist, and any party that would have him in their ranks is racist.

I think you meant racist.  I don't think we can generalized like that.  While I don't belong to either party I am not naive enough to think that Reid makes the whole Dem party racist no more that Jesse Helms made the whole Rep party racist.  I'm sure there are some good republicans out there, they are just normally not the ones in the the limelight and their intentions for this country are honorable.

That's like saying one ignorant poster on this board makes the whole board ignorant.  :shrug:

Racialist is what I meant,but I wont call you ignorant(the way you slyly did with me at the end of that post) because you might not be from a place which speaks English with the large vocabulary that it is spoken with elsewhere.

Harry Reid, with his racialist and racist ideas, is in a leadership position in the democratic party. If he was a regular member....ok, but since hes a leader he makes that party racist for not booting him out when he made those statements.

That was cute.  I said racist because you said he was racist initially.  Racialist is what you are called when you espouse your race first or have Black nationalist views.  This is a first for me because I have never heard that term applied to a white person before.  I primarily heard it used toward folks like Marcus Garvey, Elijah Muhhamad, Min. Farrakhen,  Mandela and Malcolm X.  So for you to place Reid in the same category as them did not register to me and I assumed you mistyped racist. 

Please don't think you have all the smarts. :lol:  I was on this earth long before you thought of racing out of a testicle and I am by no means ignorant as you may choose to believe.  I may joke a lot but you would be surprised by what I know and have done in life.  So keep your snide comments in check because we are having a decent discussion.
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Re: 'Secession Ball' divides many in Charleston, S.C.
« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2010, 02:56:06 PM »
Pardon 82?  :shrug: ???

GK I am as puzzled as you are, because I was never aware that was considered a dialect.

It is an absolutely foolish asertion that "Uncle Remus" was a dialect.  That was more a function of a lack of education because blacks were denied educational opportunities.  That is not a dialect that is a condition.  :shrug:

I guess they were expecting a Ivy League educated black man to say,  I's here,  My toofies is hurtin, Sasha fectch me sum wata,  Michelle makes me sum  bisstits.  ???:shrug:


where have you been.  it is a dialect.  you should hang out with more educated blacks.  they consistently murder the english language.  with their negro dialect.  evidently you have never heard anyone 'sound black' when they talk.

You joking right and that's sarcasm I hope.  Is that what you learned in Fayetteville?  I guess you also believed it when they said you were only 3/5 human.  :shrug:  Uncle Remus may be a dialect for you but it dayum sure isn't  for me and many others. 

But you are absolutely correct about me hanging out with more educated blacks, but everytime I try you keep posting.   :lol:
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Re: 'Secession Ball' divides many in Charleston, S.C.
« Reply #23 on: December 23, 2010, 02:59:04 PM »


But you are absolutely correct about me hanging out with more educated blacks, but everytime I try you keep posting.   :lol:


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Re: 'Secession Ball' divides many in Charleston, S.C.
« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2010, 08:29:58 PM »
Pardon 82?  :shrug: ???

GK I am as puzzled as you are, because I was never aware that was considered a dialect.

It is an absolutely foolish asertion that "Uncle Remus" was a dialect.  That was more a function of a lack of education because blacks were denied educational opportunities.  That is not a dialect that is a condition.  :shrug:

I guess they were expecting a Ivy League educated black man to say,  I's here,  My toofies is hurtin, Sasha fectch me sum wata,  Michelle makes me sum  bisstits.  ???:shrug:


where have you been.  it is a dialect.  you should hang out with more educated blacks.  they consistently murder the english language.  with their negro dialect.  evidently you have never heard anyone 'sound black' when they talk.

You joking right and that's sarcasm I hope.  Is that what you learned in Fayetteville?  I guess you also believed it when they said you were only 3/5 human.  :shrug:  Uncle Remus may be a dialect for you but it dayum sure isn't  for me and many others. 

But you are absolutely correct about me hanging out with more educated blacks, but everytime I try you keep posting.   :lol:


could have fooled me.  you need to pay attention to my posts.  fayetteville is not the only place i have lived.  i have heard blacks talk like uncle remus all over this country. 
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Re: 'Secession Ball' divides many in Charleston, S.C.
« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2010, 11:55:39 PM »
Pardon 82?  :shrug: ???

GK I am as puzzled as you are, because I was never aware that was considered a dialect.

It is an absolutely foolish asertion that "Uncle Remus" was a dialect.  That was more a function of a lack of education because blacks were denied educational opportunities.  That is not a dialect that is a condition.  :shrug:

I guess they were expecting a Ivy League educated black man to say,  I's here,  My toofies is hurtin, Sasha fectch me sum wata,  Michelle makes me sum  bisstits.  ???:shrug:


where have you been.  it is a dialect.  you should hang out with more educated blacks.  they consistently murder the english language.  with their negro dialect.  evidently you have never heard anyone 'sound black' when they talk.

You joking right and that's sarcasm I hope.  Is that what you learned in Fayetteville?  I guess you also believed it when they said you were only 3/5 human.  :shrug:  Uncle Remus may be a dialect for you but it dayum sure isn't  for me and many others. 

But you are absolutely correct about me hanging out with more educated blacks, but everytime I try you keep posting.   :lol:


could have fooled me.  you need to pay attention to my posts.  fayetteville is not the only place i have lived.  i have heard blacks talk like uncle remus all over this country. 

  ::) Well you allegedly graduated from an institution of higher learning located in Fayetteville.

In the places that you went did most of the folks you encountered talk like that or just your relatives?  Stop being silly.  :lol:
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Re: 'Secession Ball' divides many in Charleston, S.C.
« Reply #26 on: December 24, 2010, 12:04:19 AM »
Had to research that because I wasn't clear.

Of the negro dialect in general as spoken in the United States today, there are four varieties:

1. The dialect of Virginia, especially of Eastern or Tide-water Virginia
2. The dialect of the Sea Islands of the South Atlantic States, known as the Gullah (or Gulla) dialect.
3.  The dialect spoken by the Creole negroes of Louisiana.

My bet is that ya'll are referring to this one.  :shrug:

4.  The Uncle Remus dialect  or the dialect spoken by the negroes in the great inland sections of the South and South-west. Though there have been changes in vocabulary and a decline in vigour and picturesqueness of expression, due to the influence of negro schools and to the passing of the old plantation life, this is the dialect still spoken by the majority of the older negroes in the country districts of the South, especially of the far South. The characteristics of this dialect consist wholly in adaptation of existing English words and endings, not in the introduction of new words or new endings. The plurals of all nouns tend to become regular. Thus Uncle Remus says foots (feet), toofies (teeth), and gooses (geese), though the old plural year is retained. The relative pronoun who is not used, its place being taken by which (or w’ich), what (or w’at), dat, and the more interesting which he and which dey, corresponding to Chaucer’s that he and that they. Thus: “She holler so loud dat Brer Rabbit, which he wuz gwine by, got de idee dat she wuz callin’ him.”   28
  
Another interesting characteristic of the Uncle Remus speech is found in the present tense of verbs. Uncle Remus does not say, for example, I make, you make, he makes, we make, you make, they make, but I makes, you makes, he makes, we makes, you makes, dey makes. Negro dialect, like the dialect of all illiterate peoples, is an ear dialect. The eye has nothing to do with it. The law of analogy, therefore, which is nothing more than the rule of the majority, has unfettered operation. The illiterate man, whether black or white, hearing the third person singular with its invariable s-ending far more frequently than he hears any other form of the present tense, makes it his norm and uses it for all forms of both numbers. The same is true of the verb to be, though is has not in the language of Uncle Remus entirely succeeded in dispossessing am and are.

http://www.bartleby.com/226/2011.html

Classic vernacular found in the minstrels of the 19th and 20th century. :no:

Harry Reid is a racialist, and any party that would have him in their ranks is racist.

I think you meant racist.  I don't think we can generalized like that.  While I don't belong to either party I am not naive enough to think that Reid makes the whole Dem party racist no more that Jesse Helms made the whole Rep party racist.  I'm sure there are some good republicans out there, they are just normally not the ones in the the limelight and their intentions for this country are honorable.

That's like saying one ignorant poster on this board makes the whole board ignorant.  :shrug:

Racialist is what I meant,but I wont call you ignorant(the way you slyly did with me at the end of that post) because you might not be from a place which speaks English with the large vocabulary that it is spoken with elsewhere.

Harry Reid, with his racialist and racist ideas, is in a leadership position in the democratic party. If he was a regular member....ok, but since hes a leader he makes that party racist for not booting him out when he made those statements.

By the way Neymar, I do not do anything on the sly.  :lol:  If I feel you are ignorant I will say so.  You especially should know that.  That statement was an analogy:shrug:
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Re: 'Secession Ball' divides many in Charleston, S.C.
« Reply #27 on: December 24, 2010, 02:33:58 AM »
que, members of my family do not talk like uncle remus.  talking like that has never been excepted.   
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