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Offline Cub 7

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Disdain for the uneducated black
« on: December 21, 2010, 07:34:57 AM »
The library at Fayetteville State is named after author Charles Chestnut.  A prominent African American author.  He penned many books. “The House Behind the Cedars” is the one I’m most familiar.  Some of it I believe is from his time spent in segregated Fayetteville.   We celebrate his works at FSU with the Charles Chestnut Arts Festival.  He was a fair skinned man of mixed race.  After reading a little more about him I found out he had little concern with the poor and uneducated Negro.  Only about blacks that were of mixed race like him and the obstacles they faced.  There is other prominent African Americans that other HBCU’s hold in high esteem with that same view.  Does or should that have any effect of where we place them in our institutions or hearts? 

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Re: Disdain for the uneducated black
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2010, 07:41:29 AM »
I think you have to look at the time he came from. I don`t think you can judge them by today`s standards.
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Re: Disdain for the uneducated black
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2010, 08:29:02 AM »
I agree with the Maroon Tiger. 

The time in which Chestnut lived has to be taken into consideration because it shaped his views.  Remember he lived at a time when Blacks had not long been freed from slavery.  The 'color thing' within the race was very much alive and heavily influenced life for many.  Other things such as having been born free or being educated were factors in life too.
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Re: Disdain for the uneducated black
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2010, 09:01:50 AM »
Chestnut is one of my favorite authors. House Behind the Cedars is a must read tragic love story. It makes me think of Nella Larson's book Passing, but I digress.

If we look at the archives of all of our beloved HBCUs, we will see photos of the first groups of students. The majority of the students photographed as the first classes to graduate are extremely fair skinned. In addition, when one looks at the pictures of the founders of Black Greek Lettered Organizations, the majority of those pictured are also fair skinned individuals. Chestnut came at a time when social status, class, and ability to advance was very much tied to skin tone and hair texture.


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Re: Disdain for the uneducated black
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2010, 10:17:17 AM »
 :nod: :nod:


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Re: Disdain for the uneducated black
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2010, 10:32:05 AM »
I never hear rap songs today about educated people. At least educated blacks attempted to show the uneducated blacks in literature(although not Chestnut apparently)



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Re: Disdain for the uneducated black
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2010, 10:34:20 AM »
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If we look at the archives of all of our beloved HBCUs, we will see photos of the first groups of students. The majority of the students photographed as the first classes to graduate are extremely fair skinned. In addition, when one looks at the pictures of the founders of Black Greek Lettered Organizations, the majority of those pictured are also fair skinned individuals. Chestnut came at a time when social status, class, and ability to advance was very much tied to skin tone and hair texture.
.........could not agree more with what is expressed here^^^^^.  

But, sadly, even in 2010, perhaps to a lesser degree, negroes are STILL hung up on skin tone and hair texture.   :o

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Re: Disdain for the uneducated black
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2010, 10:39:29 AM »
All valid points but what about compassion for people in the same plight as you.  What about moving the whole race through those times of segreation.  What about "lifting the veil of ignorance"  Was that only for some?

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Re: Disdain for the uneducated black
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2010, 10:40:51 AM »
Some of us are old enough to remember the paper bag test... :nod:


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Re: Disdain for the uneducated black
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2010, 10:53:51 AM »
If we look at the archives of all of our beloved HBCUs, we will see photos of the first groups of students. The majority of the students photographed as the first classes to graduate are extremely fair skinned. In addition, when one looks at the pictures of the founders of Black Greek Lettered Organizations, the majority of those pictured are also fair skinned individuals. Chestnut came at a time when social status, class, and ability to advance was very much tied to skin tone and hair texture.

 :nod:

Sad to say, those things still go on today...to a lesser degree.

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Re: Disdain for the uneducated black
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2010, 12:47:15 PM »
Some of you are not being fair to biracial race people. They are not black, they are not white, they're mixed which has it's won unique set of issues. It's interesting when you sit down and talk to these people and hear their pains and struggles. They need a voice and need someone to advocate for them. We often talk about Obama, and want to claim him as black. He's not black, he's not white. Forget what race is on the birth certificate, that is society's doing. It's who you are on the inside that really matters.
Today's young biracial person is not identifying with either side and will get upset when you try to push them either way. When you have a white mother and a black father, why should you have to deny either by picking a side?

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Re: Disdain for the uneducated black
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2010, 02:01:41 PM »
I agree with those who say we have to remember the times and the thinking back then.

But we can honor/recognize people like Mr. Chestnut, but not carry on those same practices.

Years ago, I was at Howard with my parents for an event and while we were waiting, a group of Nursing alums (from the late 40's early 50's) were taking  pictures.

I'm staring because there was not one brown face in the group. And my mother had to remind me what I'm seeing was very typical of that generation.

But it is sad that some of us are STIll stuck in that mindset of elitism and colorism.

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Re: Disdain for the uneducated black
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2010, 02:19:02 PM »
America is definitely color conscious. Black Americans are most certainly color-struck. We are still very much overly aware of skin tone.

A couple weeks ago, my four year old niece began telling people she was white and that the rest of the family was black ( you had to hear how much disdain she had in her voice when saying black) and she is just a child. Clearly, someone had told her that she looked white. She is the lightest of our family and has lighter eyes and hair.

We are all affected by these projections and the only thing we can do to combat it is to not pass these things on to our children and educate them once they hear these things outside of the home.


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Re: Disdain for the uneducated black
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2010, 02:45:15 PM »
Bearforlife, how bout I  heard a little girl try to explain to us that she is MEXICAN....but...SHE AIN'T....SHE BLACK!    ::)

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Re: Disdain for the uneducated black
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2010, 04:34:03 PM »
America is definitely color conscious. Black Americans are most certainly color-struck. We are still very much overly aware of skin tone.

A couple weeks ago, my four year old niece began telling people she was white and that the rest of the family was black ( you had to hear how much disdain she had in her voice when saying black) and she is just a child. Clearly, someone had told her that she looked white. She is the lightest of our family and has lighter eyes and hair.

We are all affected by these projections and the only thing we can do to combat it is to not pass these things on to our children and educate them once they hear these things outside of the home.

Some of these kids get that crap from TV and their friends, too.  I cannot stand hear teenagers and adults use the term "good hair", especially around children.  I'm also sick of hearing Black people try to claim some small percentage of Native American or Latino blood in their bloodline.   ::)   African-Americans have done more for this country (foundation, inventions, music, food, fashion, culture, literature, politics, etc.) than any other minority group but for some reason a lot of young people think that being Black is negative for some reason.

 

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