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Re: georgia prison strike
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2010, 07:24:27 PM »
What is the philosophy behind the US "Correction" System?

Do we intend to return them to society?

If we don't then kill them all.  If we do we need to develop "corrective measures".


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Re: georgia prison strike
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2010, 09:36:33 PM »
if you are smart enough to go college why are dumb enough to be in prison. 

Good question, but you know the difference between some of those inmates and the CEO's of fortune 500 and other successful companies?  Opportunity and the fact that they wanted something for nothing and didn't go about getting it the right way. 

My church has a prison ministry and we send items to the Prison for the holidays....they send thank you cards and other things...those guys are talented...they draw beautifully, they write poetry......and they can sing and play instruments.....just a shame they j

They have the power of persuasion too....manipulative as hell.....they gotta be, or these chicks are extra dumb...did I ever tell you guys about the girl who worked for the IRS?  Her brother was in jail...she met the man while visiting her brother...she married the man...WHILE HE WAS IN JAIL....he then talked her into smuggling drugs into the prison so he could sell them....she did this for months and months....one day they escorted her a-- right out of the building....you gave up your good, secure govt job for a man in jail....otherwise very intelligent woman....but she was dumb as hell when it came to that...and chicks fall for that mess daily...

Prison counselor lost her job for messing with an inmate in the halfway house...

ok, I got off subject...just wanted to point out that a lot of the prisoners are extrememly intelligent...they just went about getting what they wanted the wrong way...

So I guess they are smart AND dumb...all at the same time...
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Re: georgia prison strike
« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2010, 06:38:53 AM »
What is the philosophy behind the US "Correction" System?

Do we intend to return them to society?

If we don't then kill them all.  If we do we need to develop "corrective measures".



Folks say that but they don't want to foot the bill.  It doesn't happen for free.  Think about it, they would get a BS for free and you will have to pay over 40k to send your child. Will you be okay with that?
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Re: georgia prison strike
« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2010, 03:24:58 PM »
Georgia use to have some of the worst run prisons.  Surprisingly to me Lester Maddox got a lot of credit for cleaning up the system.  However, things still were not perfect-far from it.

Yes they are in jail but they are not animals. There should be some basic human decency. If it were your family member, you would want the same. I've had several family members who became prisoners at one time in my life and I always have felt that they should be treated decently.



I agree.  Eventually, many of the inmates will get out of prison.  Knowing the justice system in the state, I will bet that there are a lot of prisoners who are serving sentences longer than they should.  A lot of them should not be serving sentences in the first place.

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« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2010, 03:40:29 PM »
They are still Human.......Some of those demands are NOT unreasonable.....

Remember, Not ALL people in jail are Bad people.... Made Dumbazz Decisions... But Not ALL are Bad........

You shouldn't Judge.. because It could be any of US... We just didn't get Caught...and They DID!!!!

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Re: georgia prison strike
« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2010, 04:00:47 PM »
Surprised at you Cap - particularly since by all rights your @zz should have been locked up the other night by that Gboro cop...and frankly, you're lucky because had you been here, you'd be either in the hospital or at Swanson's...

Your sentiments remind me of The Boy, who was always yapping about what teachers ought to do until he started subbing this semester. Now he is singing a TOTALLY different song.

People still deserve to be treated as humans. Just because a person is incarcerated doesn't necessarily mean they committed a crime. There are numerous folks who are locked up who have done nothing, which is why I vehemently oppose capital punishment.

If the idea is to try to rehab them into productive members of society, why not allow them to get a college education or their GED?  :shrug: Some of us need to remember "There but for the Grace of God..." and I include myself in that number...  :nod:


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Re: georgia prison strike
« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2010, 04:10:05 PM »
What is the philosophy behind the US "Correction" System?

Do we intend to return them to society?

If we don't then kill them all.  If we do we need to develop "corrective measures".


Folks say that but they don't want to foot the bill.  It doesn't happen for free.  Think about it, they would get a BS for free and you will have to pay over 40k to send your child. Will you be okay with that?

If it reduces the number of repeat offenders it may be worth it.  I think I saw a 60 Minutes story on this.

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Re: georgia prison strike
« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2010, 04:51:30 PM »
What is the philosophy behind the US "Correction" System?

Do we intend to return them to society?

If we don't then kill them all.  If we do we need to develop "corrective measures".


Folks say that but they don't want to foot the bill.  It doesn't happen for free.  Think about it, they would get a BS for free and you will have to pay over 40k to send your child. Will you be okay with that?

If it reduces the number of repeat offenders it may be worth it.  I think I saw a 60 Minutes story on this.

JBROB a degree does not prevent you from committing crime.  H3ll Dr. James Holderman, a former president from the University of South Carolina was an inmate. :shrug:  They also had a professor from SCSU who's name escape me, was/might be still locked up for killing his wife.  :shrug:  I'm not against inmates receiving college degrees, just not on my dime.  I'm a state employee and I have taken 5-7 days of unpayed furlough the last three years because of the budget deficit, not gotten a pay increase in over five years, still paying on my son's student loan and its right for the state to fund a BS for an inmate in hopes he will not be a repeat offender?  I THINK THE H#LL NOT.   :nono2:

GK, some inmates in the SC system are mandated to complete their GED (based on age) and all have an opportunity to get one.  We have one of the highest GED award % in the nation.
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Re: georgia prison strike
« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2010, 05:13:50 PM »
What is the philosophy behind the US "Correction" System?

Do we intend to return them to society?

If we don't then kill them all.  If we do we need to develop "corrective measures".


Folks say that but they don't want to foot the bill.  It doesn't happen for free.  Think about it, they would get a BS for free and you will have to pay over 40k to send your child. Will you be okay with that?

If it reduces the number of repeat offenders it may be worth it.  I think I saw a 60 Minutes story on this.

JBROB a degree does not prevent you from committing crime.  H3ll Dr. James Holderman, a former president from the University of South Carolina was an inmate. :shrug:  They also had a professor from SCSU who's name escape me, was/might be still locked up for killing his wife.  :shrug:  I'm not against inmates receiving college degrees, just not on my dime.  I'm a state employee and I have taken 5-7 days of unpayed furlough the last three years because of the budget deficit, not gotten a pay increase in over five years, still paying on my son's student loan and its right for the state to fund a BS for an inmate in hopes he will not be a repeat offender?  I THINK THE H#LL NOT.   :nono2:

GK, some inmates in the SC system are mandated to complete their GED (based on age) and all have an opportunity to get one.  We have one of the highest GED award % in the nation.

I agree. I college degree is not the answer. But we have to find a way rehabilitate inmates.  Our country has a growing population of prisoners and we need to prepare them to function in society.

Does that mean more counselors or vocational training, I'm not sure.  A faith based solution.   :shrug:

The problem is not going away. 

We also have to prevent crimes as well. (that's another thread)

Building more prisons is getting old.

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Re: georgia prison strike
« Reply #25 on: December 16, 2010, 05:23:56 PM »
They are allowed to get their GED's....some of my church members are their instructors.

Unreasonable or not, GA is NOT gonna pay for their college education....

The quality of food can be addressed, but I'm sorry...2 meals a day only on the weekends is not inhumane punishment...especially when here are babies on the outside that get one meal on any given day...and that is at school.

The 3 to a room can cause problems, but the rest they just need to hang it up...
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« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2010, 05:42:44 PM »
I do believe they should be treated humanely because if you treat people like animals that's what they become.   However, you can't let the inmates run the asylum therefore you have to bust up an inmate strike.  We have not had a problem on this scale in a long time and its been a long time since we had a riot.  The last riot we had was in the 90's when the inmates burned their mattresses, damaged their toilets flooding their cells, destroyed the cafeteria and stormed the administration building holding up mattresses for protection.

The director ordered the inmates to be fired upon, which had not been done in years.  The birdshot they were using would not penetrate mattresses, so they bounced the pellets off the sidewalk which wore out their ankles.  :lol: (Now they use turkey load which penetrates a mattress.)

After they quelled the riot, the director refused to fix anything right away.  He said you burned it, you sleep in it.  Gave them bologna sandwiches for a month until the cafe was repaired.  Suffice it to say the message got out and there hasn't been a riot since.  :nod:

The biggest problem IMHO most inmates have is an addiction problem and when the budget gets bad these are the programs that get cut first.  There is also a severe mental health issue in this state which lends itself to be reflected in the prison system. 

This one is for my shrink J1908.

It is said that 1 out of 3 people in SC has mental health issues.  If you look at the person to your left and right and don't see a crazy person then it must be you.  :lol:
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Re: georgia prison strike
« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2010, 07:46:27 PM »
Surprised at you Cap - particularly since by all rights your @zz should have been locked up the other night by that Gboro cop...and frankly, you're lucky because had you been here, you'd be either in the hospital or at Swanson's...

Your sentiments remind me of The Boy, who was always yapping about what teachers ought to do until he started subbing this semester. Now he is singing a TOTALLY different song.

People still deserve to be treated as humans. Just because a person is incarcerated doesn't necessarily mean they committed a crime. There are numerous folks who are locked up who have done nothing, which is why I vehemently oppose capital punishment.

If the idea is to try to rehab them into productive members of society, why not allow them to get a college education or their GED?  :shrug: Some of us need to remember "There but for the Grace of God..." and I include myself in that number...  :nod:

What law did I violate the other night GK? Disrespecting a police officer, laughing at a police officer, getting out of my vehicle? I did not resist arrest. Now if i got out of my vehicle and got back in before he caught me, all he can do is get mad and scold me.
Even if I got out and ran, he can't shoot me. If I got out and threatened him then he can shoot.  You don't punish somebody because you don't like what they did. If a officer ask you to stay in your car, it's up to him to detain you while you are trying to get out. Then he can charge you with resisting. He knew full well what I had done to look at the headlight, he was only mad because I did not follow his instruction in the way he dictated.

Now back to the topic at hand, ya'll go on and keep kissing prisoners little butts, and the revolving door at state run Marriott will continue to swing. I'm a little bit more knowledgeable of the way the system works than most on this board because I've worked as a CO. I've seen the way they jive the system from the inside. We were their little whipping posts. They complain about every thing on the inside. My position is this; if you don't like it, stay out. It's that simple.

As for rehabilitation, somebody explain to me how the system can rehab someone when they consciously decided to cross the law. Most criminals don't get rehabbed, they simply get too old and tired to continue  doing what they do.   You want to rehab a criminal, put a guillotine up in the city square and start chopping off some heads.   

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« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2010, 08:55:39 PM »
Surprised at you Cap - particularly since by all rights your @zz should have been locked up the other night by that Gboro cop...and frankly, you're lucky because had you been here, you'd be either in the hospital or at Swanson's...

Your sentiments remind me of The Boy, who was always yapping about what teachers ought to do until he started subbing this semester. Now he is singing a TOTALLY different song.

People still deserve to be treated as humans. Just because a person is incarcerated doesn't necessarily mean they committed a crime. There are numerous folks who are locked up who have done nothing, which is why I vehemently oppose capital punishment.

If the idea is to try to rehab them into productive members of society, why not allow them to get a college education or their GED?  :shrug: Some of us need to remember "There but for the Grace of God..." and I include myself in that number...  :nod:

What law did I violate the other night GK? Disrespecting a police officer, laughing at a police officer, getting out of my vehicle? I did not resist arrest.

 If a officer ask you to stay in your car, it's up to him to detain you while you are trying to get out. Then he can charge you with resisting. He knew full well what I had done to look at the headlight, he was only mad because I did not follow his instruction in the way he dictated.   

This is why a large percentage of our children aren't more successful in school.  :no:

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Re: georgia prison strike
« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2010, 09:26:03 PM »
Surprised at you Cap - particularly since by all rights your @zz should have been locked up the other night by that Gboro cop...and frankly, you're lucky because had you been here, you'd be either in the hospital or at Swanson's...

Your sentiments remind me of The Boy, who was always yapping about what teachers ought to do until he started subbing this semester. Now he is singing a TOTALLY different song.

People still deserve to be treated as humans. Just because a person is incarcerated doesn't necessarily mean they committed a crime. There are numerous folks who are locked up who have done nothing, which is why I vehemently oppose capital punishment.

If the idea is to try to rehab them into productive members of society, why not allow them to get a college education or their GED?  :shrug: Some of us need to remember "There but for the Grace of God..." and I include myself in that number...  :nod:

What law did I violate the other night GK? Disrespecting a police officer, laughing at a police officer, getting out of my vehicle? I did not resist arrest. Now if i got out of my vehicle and got back in before he caught me, all he can do is get mad and scold me.
Even if I got out and ran, he can't shoot me. If I got out and threatened him then he can shoot.  You don't punish somebody because you don't like what they did. If a officer ask you to stay in your car, it's up to him to detain you while you are trying to get out. Then he can charge you with resisting. He knew full well what I had done to look at the headlight, he was only mad because I did not follow his instruction in the way he dictated.

Now back to the topic at hand, ya'll go on and keep kissing prisoners little butts, and the revolving door at state run Marriott will continue to swing. I'm a little bit more knowledgeable of the way the system works than most on this board because I've worked as a CO. I've seen the way they jive the system from the inside. We were their little whipping posts. They complain about every thing on the inside. My position is this; if you don't like it, stay out. It's that simple.

As for rehabilitation, somebody explain to me how the system can rehab someone when they consciously decided to cross the law. Most criminals don't get rehabbed, they simply get too old and tired to continue  doing what they do.   You want to rehab a criminal, put a guillotine up in the city square and start chopping off some heads.    
I hear you but I don't agree fully and the reason is because our prisons should realistically be a reflection of you nation's demographics.  When 41% of the prison population consist of blacks (13% of the nation's population).  The majority of the judges that are putting blacks behind bars are white, injustices are made everyday.  I don't want to live in a country that doesn't have prisons, nevertheless I believe in equal protection/rights under the law, of which blacks have thoughout the history of this nation gotten the short end of the stick. 

 

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