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Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
« Reply #60 on: March 23, 2010, 09:32:27 PM »
highlander?

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« Reply #61 on: March 23, 2010, 09:56:15 PM »
I too was curious as to how they would rationalize this so I just went to foxnews to find out what our onnidan repubs would be posting later.

It looks like they have two options so far. The first being the incidents never happened. They say there's no video evidence. (Then explain why did the Tea Party leader issue apology statement?) So that brought them to the second option being the democrats put a "plant" inside the demonstration just to make them look bad.  ::)

It wouldn't be farfetched. The sleeze balls in move.org and ACORN are known to this type BS.

oldsport, you got to admit I hit this one straight out the park - two swing and two homers. The bold red highlight above is my proof of what I predicted and below what you said.

If it DID happen......that's really a shame. The reason......it gives you liberals a chance to paint everyone with the same brush. That would be like me painting all the liberals on this board with the same brush because of the statements that Cholly makes. GO VIKINGS!!!

I doubt it occurred. If it did happen don't you think there would be a video of it. People haul instant videos whenever and wherever they are.

If anyone did it, it was move.org or ACORN people sent to set this BS up.


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There are not more Blacks involved in the Tea PArty Movement because our folks ignorance is so pervasive it's pathetic. You jokers are a prime example of what I am talking about.


OS, Based on your quote above, you must have access to insider information. So I would presume that you are involved in the Tea Party Movement - leading by example.

And if true, I think the real reason "not more Blacks are involved" has to do with YOU, your recruitment methods, and your communications skills (lack thereof). I don't  think they know you cannot string more than one sentence together in coherent manner. So as 'the" recruiter for Blacks to the Tea Party Movement, you have failed. Here's some free advice. You might have had better success if you were better able to answer our simple questions/concerns with accurate answers and supporting data. You should also eliminate those quick but vague generalizations disguised as "facts".


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Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
« Reply #62 on: March 23, 2010, 10:15:33 PM »
That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence - Christopher Hitchens

I like that. I will use it in the future.

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« Reply #63 on: March 23, 2010, 10:22:41 PM »
^^^ Yep, use it till your heart's content. it's very effective. And feel free to pass it on.
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Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
« Reply #64 on: March 24, 2010, 10:10:23 AM »
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There are extremists in every group.....you know that and I know that. The Tea Party isn't the Klan just like the majority of liberals aren't the SDS or Weatherman. Of course there are racists in the Tea Party. As I said before....there are racists on this board. You and I aren't going to change that however we cam continue to discuss things in a civil manner.....even though we disagree......on occassion ;D GO VIKINGS!!!

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Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
« Reply #65 on: March 24, 2010, 11:01:26 AM »
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There are extremists in every group.....you know that and I know that. The Tea Party isn't the Klan just like the majority of liberals aren't the SDS or Weatherman. Of course there are racists in the Tea Party. As I said before....there are racists on this board. You and I aren't going to change that however we cam continue to discuss things in a civil manner.....even though we disagree......on occassion ;D GO VIKINGS!!!

Highland, there is a difference in the terms "racist" and "extremist".

An extremist group can be far-left, as well as far-right. KKK would be considered extremist/racist because they are primarily anti-black and use of violence. While (IMO) SDS and Weatherman were primarily against government. While you may say SDS/Weatherman were extremist group (use of violence) but you have no basis to say they were racist.  If so, direct me to your reference/source.

The comments against the Tea Party demonstrations are generally due to its violence and anti-black/anti-gay messages.
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« Reply #66 on: March 24, 2010, 11:29:02 AM »
Highland,

I too would like to have civil discussion on this and any topic in the forum. If you agree, count me in. We can negotiate the ground rules for discussion. Just tell me when you ready.

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Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
« Reply #67 on: March 24, 2010, 03:53:58 PM »
Highland,

I too would like to have civil discussion on this and any topic in the forum. If you agree, count me in. We can negotiate the ground rules for discussion. Just tell me when you ready.


Only Cholly needs ground rules for a civil discussion.  :lmao: GO VIKINGS!!!

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« Reply #68 on: March 24, 2010, 04:15:29 PM »
I'm talking just me and you. You post responses to me and I'll post my responses to you. We'll keep it all civil.   :nod:

Maybe we all learn something.  :clap:  What say ye?
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Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
« Reply #69 on: March 24, 2010, 04:17:34 PM »
highlander?

Comments on racism....

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There are extremists in every group.....you know that and I know that. The Tea Party isn't the Klan just like the majority of liberals aren't the SDS or Weatherman. Of course there are racists in the Tea Party. As I said before....there are racists on this board. You and I aren't going to change that however we cam continue to discuss things in a civil manner.....even though we disagree......on occassion ;D GO VIKINGS!!!

highlander, I was actually asking if you had a response to what I posted IN DIRECT RESPONSE TO YOU:

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That's a valid opinion, highlander, altho you offer no evidence. 

I have a different opinion and until the Tea Party itself expels those folks - LIKE OBAMA HAD TO REJECT, RENOUNCE, CONDEMN, etc Rev. Wright - I'll stick with mine.

As I have said before, white Conservatives and some Black ones seem to find it convenient to admit that racism exists IN GENERAL.  HOWEVER, when it comes to discussing ANYthing in particular, it is never racism.  There is always another rationale to explain behavior or tactics that, IMO, have in common the pursuit of ends which are harmful to Black folks and which maintain white advantage or group benefit. 

So.........
It wasn't racism that buttressed and justified slavery; it was economic interests.

It wasn't racism that had Repubs betray Reconstruction and Dems to destroy it; it was political expediency.

It wasn't racism that reduced many Blacks in the south to near-servitude via share-cropping and limited educational opportunities, municipal services, etc; it was economics.

It wasn't racism to oppose the integration of schools; it was resistance to interference in local affairs by the Supreme Court led by that Communist Earl Warren.

It wasn't racism that kept Blacks out of unions in NYC; it was preferences to relatives of existing members.

It wasn't racism behind opposition to Civil Rights; it was resistance to "outside agitators" and the importance of States' Rights.

It wasn't racism to oppose school busing (despite in some cases, previous busing past closer segregated schools); it was the need for neighborhood schools.

It wasn't racism to oppose "open housing" and the invalidation of discriminatory "covenants"; it was the sanctity of contracts.

It wasn't racism that Dems rejected the freely elected Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party delegates and instead seated the delegates from the whites-only election; it was political expediency.

It isn't racism (despite centuries of preferential treatment for whites as a group) to oppose Affirmative Action; it is fairness based on individuals, not groups.

It isn't racism (despite study after study showing discrimination in test cases) when Black folks complain about job and promotion discrimination; it is an isolated case, if an audio tape surfaces, and, if no tape, a figment of Blacks' imagination.

It isn't racism when white flight from neighborhoods occurs; it is concern about property values.

It isn't racism when white flight from public schools occurs; it is concern about educational quality.

It wasn't racism when white parents in Arizona(?) fought against naming the brand new high school after Dr. King; it was their concern that other racists would discriminate against their kids for college admission thinking it was an inner-city (code for Black) school.  Of course, we would never be able to identify THAT racism in admissions decisions in any specific location.

It isn't racism when cops stop Blacks driving at a much higher rate than whites; it is a coincidence.

It wasn't racism when Black MALE students in dental school with my daughter were given lower grades for superior work (even finally acknowledged by their fellow white students after they first dismissed the claim by Blacks); it was unexplainable.

It wasn't racism when cops fired dozens of times at INNOCENT Black men sitting in a van or at one reaching for his ID or at a group leaving a night club, OR police sodomized a Black suspect in the precinct bathroom, it was job-related stress or a misunderstanding.

It isn't racism that Blacks of equal income receive less aggressive medical care and die at a higher rate;  it is puzzling.

It wasn't racism that had Reagan open his re-election campaign in Philadelphia, Miss; it was the Southern Strategy.

It wasn't racism that fewer than 30% of southern whites voted for Obama; it was....OK, you got me there!


So, it is logical that it is not racism when, ALL OF A SUDDEN, after decades of deficit spending and exploding national debt and the passage of legislation without paying for benefits under white Presidents of either/both parties, folks come out of the woodwork to oppose the current President on economic grounds. 

It is PURE COINCIDENCE, therefore that the President is Black and that anti-govt demonstrations are so emotional and fervent and are peppered with racist signs and behavior AND that hardly any Black folks are there. 

I'll stick with my opinion.  Talk about "knowing racism when I see it."

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Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
« Reply #70 on: March 24, 2010, 04:19:45 PM »
Highland,

I too would like to have civil discussion on this and any topic in the forum. If you agree, count me in. We can negotiate the ground rules for discussion. Just tell me when you ready.



To coin you felonious/impeached judge and now congressman.. This is how liberal/socialist/communist play. So, you'll need to stay in keeping with your brothers and sister comrades.



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« Reply #71 on: March 24, 2010, 04:32:51 PM »
I too was curious as to how they would rationalize this so I just went to foxnews to find out what our onnidan repubs would be posting later.

It looks like they have two options so far. The first being the incidents never happened. They say there's no video evidence. (Then explain why did the Tea Party leader issue apology statement?) So that brought them to the second option being the democrats put a "plant" inside the demonstration just to make them look bad::)

It wouldn't be farfetched. The sleeze balls in move.org and ACORN are known to this type BS.

oldsport, you got to admit I hit this one straight out the park - two swing and two homers. The bold red highlight above is my proof of what I predicted and below what you said.

If it DID happen......that's really a shame. The reason......it gives you liberals a chance to paint everyone with the same brush. That would be like me painting all the liberals on this board with the same brush because of the statements that Cholly makes. GO VIKINGS!!!

I doubt it occurred. If it did happen don't you think there would be a video of it. People haul instant videos whenever and wherever they are.

If anyone did it, it was move.org or ACORN people sent to set this BS up.


PRICELESS !!!


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There are not more Blacks involved in the Tea PArty Movement because our folks ignorance is so pervasive it's pathetic. You jokers are a prime example of what I am talking about.


OS, Based on your quote above, you must have access to insider information. So I would presume that you are involved in the Tea Party Movement - leading by example.

And if true, I think the real reason "not more Blacks are involved" has to do with YOU, your recruitment methods, and your communications skills (lack thereof). I don't  think they know you cannot string more than one sentence together in coherent manner. So as 'the" recruiter for Blacks to the Tea Party Movement, you have failed. Here's some free advice. You might have had better success if you were better able to answer our simple questions/concerns with accurate answers and supporting data. You should also eliminate those quick but vague generalizations disguised as "facts".


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Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
« Reply #72 on: March 24, 2010, 04:52:57 PM »
March 24, 2010
Anatomy of a Racial Smear
By Jack Cashill

For the last year, the media have been desperately trying to hang the "racist" tag around the Tea Party movement as a way to discredit it. This past weekend, they would seem to have finally succeeded.


The McClatchy newspaper chain, whose slogan is "truth to power," launched an opening salvo on Saturday, March 20 with the inflammatory headline -- its exact words -- "Tea party protesters scream 'n----r' at black congressman." That is "protesters" in the plural who "scream" a racial epithet, "n----r," at a particular "congressman."


This one headline contains one perilously uncorroborated accusation and three conscious fabrications, beginning with the identity of the "congressman" in question. So much for "truth to power."


To give the story poignancy, reporter William Douglas makes iconic civil rights veteran John Lewis the subject of the abuse. He is the "congressman" alluded to in the headline. The only problem is that Lewis never heard anything. This is the first of the fabrications.


According to the article, Lewis was walking from the Cannon Office Building to the Capitol when protesters started shouting. According to Lewis, however, what they shouted was not a racial slur, but "Kill the bill, kill the bill." If he heard anything more derogatory, he does not seem to have told Douglas about it.


Lewis, it should be noted, is no slouch when it comes to race-baiting. During the 2008 campaign, he compared the McCain-Palin campaign to that of "presidential candidate George Wallace," whose comparable "atmosphere of hate" led to the fatal church bombing in Birmingham. So egregious were Lewis's comments that McCain called on Obama to "condemn" them.


As Douglas reports, it was Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-MO), a Lewis colleague walking a few steps behind him, who actually claimed to have heard the slur. Note the way that Douglas runs these sentences together.


Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, D-Mo., said he was a few yards behind Lewis and distinctly heard "n----r."


"It was a chorus," Cleaver said. "In a way, I feel sorry for those people who are doing this nasty stuff -- they're being whipped up. I decided I wouldn't be angry with any of them."


Douglas deliberately leaves the impression that Cleaver heard a "chorus" of people shouting racial slurs.  The use of the plural in the headline is the second of the fabrications. The chorus was, in fact, shouting, "Kill the Bill."


It is unlikely that Cleaver misled Douglas. In the era of the ubiquitous camera, he would have known that such an accusation could be immediately refuted, as it certainly has been. The ample videotape evidence shows that there was no such chorus.


Cleaver does turn briefly to face the camera in one video, but regardless of what he might have heard or thought he heard, no one on the video is heard to "scream" anything racial. This is the third fabrication. 


What is uncorroborated is whether Cleaver even heard a single person utter the slur in question. William Owens, a black Tea Party activist from Nevada who had joined in the protests, confirmed to FOXNews.com, "Never did I hear any type of racial slur."


House majority whip James CIyburn, who walked with the contingent from the Black Caucus, heard no racist remarks either. "I experienced some of [the anger]," Clyburn told Keith Olbermann on March 22. "I didn`t hear the slurs." Still, this was more than enough for the factually indifferent Olbermann to conclude, "If racism is not the whole of the Tea Party, it is in its heart."


Cleaver also claimed that the police arrested one of the Tea Party crowd for spitting on him, but he chose not to press charges. U.S. Capitol Police, however, said that no protester was arrested. One was, however, detained and quickly released.


"There were no elements of a crime, and the individual wasn't able to be positively identified," a spokeswoman for the Capitol Police told FoxNews.com. "[Cleaver] was unable to positively identify."


Despite the slightness of the evidence, the seemingly omniscient Yael T. Abouhalkah, the Editorial Page columnist in Cleaver's hometown Kansas City Star, a McClatchy paper, was able to conclude that "some Tea Party supporter spat on Cleaver Saturday on Capitol Hill because the U.S. congressman is black." 


If there were a spitting incident, it is clear that the spitter had to be someone other than the shouter of racial slurs. That Abouhalkah can impute racism to someone he does not know, not even by name, who may or may not have spit, is testament to the shabby, subversive state of contemporary journalism.


When the message moves out into the leftist blogosphere, the message gets progressively more unhinged. One fairly typical YouTube site I visited hoping to see evidence of the spitting, as implied in the video's listing, instead reviled the "teabaggers" as "homophobe, racists, bigots." There was no video verification of any of the charges.


For the last half-century, the Democrats have been able to count on the allegiance of black America to their program. They and their media allies know that the party -- in both senses -- ends when African Americans catch on to the ruin which that program has rained upon black America: unprecedented rates of homicide, homelessness, social disease, abortion, drug addiction, unemployment, poverty, and imprisonment. 


With so many promises broken, all that Democrats have left to peddle are an elusive hope and a manufactured fear. Pretty soon, it will be just the fear. Expect more of this.





http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/03/anatomy_of_a_racial_smear_1.html

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Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
« Reply #73 on: March 24, 2010, 05:47:25 PM »
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U.S. Capitol Police, however, said that no protester was arrested. One was, however, detained and quickly released.

We're really splitting hairs here.  Cleavers staff saw the person "in custody" and drew the conclusion the person was arrested.  But accurate is accurate.

As to beliefs about what happened, I expect that Olds..t will be telling us ANY MINUTE how those pinko commies were the ones who threw bricks through the windows of Dems' offices and left threatening voice mails for those who voted for HC reform.

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Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
« Reply #74 on: March 24, 2010, 05:56:32 PM »
I thought it didn't happen  :shrug:
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