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Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
« Reply #45 on: March 23, 2010, 10:50:24 AM »
Highlander,

When you get chance, could you reflect on our conversation awhile back about tea party, and tell me again how you think it's not about race.

And please explain, how spitting, shouting racial slurs and displaying violent poster themes have anything to do with taxes (or even health care for that matter).  Okay ;D
For the majority of the Tea Party....it's not about race....it's about economics. Like I said before....a few knuckleheads show their stupidity and the liberals paint the entire group as racists. Hell there are racists on this board but that doesn't mean the entire board is racist. GO VIKINGS!!!


u, I am not going to apologize. Have you ever seen one of these totally out of control leftwing liberal/socialist/communist rallys or protest?

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« Reply #46 on: March 23, 2010, 10:58:35 AM »
Where was the outrage from you K----s behind this thuggery from you kind of ideological bent? These are Barry's friends.....


This is not a rarity. This is how the majority of liberal/socialist/communist goons act.







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« Reply #47 on: March 23, 2010, 11:06:28 AM »
Where was the outrage from you K----s behind this thuggery from you kind of ideological bent? These are Barry's friends.....


This is not a rarity. This is how the majority of liberal/socialist/communist goons act.









 >:( >:( >:(

Those morons should have been put in jail....There is no room for that kind of B.S. This is the 1st time I have seen this oldsport....But I see you haven't said anything about what the Health Care Protestors did....2 wrongs don't make it right bruh.... >:(

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« Reply #48 on: March 23, 2010, 11:13:36 AM »
I too was curious as to how they would rationalize this so I just went to foxnews to find out what our onnidan repubs would be posting later.

It looks like they have two options so far. The first being the incidents never happened. They say there's no video evidence. (Then explain why did the Tea Party leader issue apology statement?) So that brought them to the second option being the democrats put a "plant" inside the demonstration just to make them look bad.  ::)

It wouldn't be farfetched. The sleeze balls in move.org and ACORN are known to this type BS.

oldsport, you got to admit I hit this one straight out the park - two swing and two homers. The bold red highlight above is my proof of what I predicted and below what you said.

If it DID happen......that's really a shame. The reason......it gives you liberals a chance to paint everyone with the same brush. That would be like me painting all the liberals on this board with the same brush because of the statements that Cholly makes. GO VIKINGS!!!

I doubt it occurred. If it did happen don't you think there would be a video of it. People haul instant videos whenever and wherever they are.

If anyone did it, it was move.org or ACORN people sent to set this BS up.


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OS, if you could read you'd see my question was directed to Highlander - yall must be sharing the same brain.  It would be pointless for me to try to entertain that bs you posted while responding for Highlander.  :no:

Take some advice and stick to what you do best - cutting and pasting from foxnews.com.   :lol: It's so obvious your IQ is not high enough to match wits with me. It's not my fault; so, don't get mad at me. See my previous post above. Btw, you never did give me my props.  :nono2:
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« Reply #49 on: March 23, 2010, 11:15:06 AM »
Where was the outrage from you K----s behind this thuggery from you kind of ideological bent? These are Barry's friends.....


This is not a rarity. This is how the majority of liberal/socialist/communist goons act.









 >:( >:( >:(

Those morons should have been put in jail....There is no room for that kind of B.S. This is the 1st time I have seen this oldsport....But I see you haven't said anything about what the Health Care Protestors did....2 wrongs don't make it right bruh.... >:(

You know why it's the first time you have seen this? It's because the drive by media shields their leftwing nutjob friends.

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« Reply #50 on: March 23, 2010, 11:32:51 AM »
Highlander,

When you get chance, could you reflect on our conversation awhile back about tea party, and tell me again how you think it's not about race.

And please explain, how spitting, shouting racial slurs and displaying violent poster themes have anything to do with taxes (or even health care for that matter).  Okay ;D
For the majority of the Tea Party....it's not about race....it's about economics. Like I said before....a few knuckleheads show their stupidity and the liberals paint the entire group as racists. Hell there are racists on this board but that doesn't mean the entire board is racist. GO VIKINGS!!!

Highland, I won't try to dispute your claim. However, you cannot say with certainty that it's ONLY a minority of the group. Unless you know them personally, you don't know how many have racist motives. But the thing is, it only takes a handful to work the rest of group into frenzy and have major influence on the rest of the group who may have started with noble intentions. Just look at how the Tea Party action inside congress. Why did GOP representative just shout out at Dem representative who was speaking. Were those his true feelings or was he just caught-up in the moment with the teabaggers.  :shrug:
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Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
« Reply #51 on: March 23, 2010, 12:15:21 PM »
Highlander,

When you get chance, could you reflect on our conversation awhile back about tea party, and tell me again how you think it's not about race.

And please explain, how spitting, shouting racial slurs and displaying violent poster themes have anything to do with taxes (or even health care for that matter).  Okay ;D
For the majority of the Tea Party....it's not about race....it's about economics. Like I said before....a few knuckleheads show their stupidity and the liberals paint the entire group as racists. Hell there are racists on this board but that doesn't mean the entire board is racist. GO VIKINGS!!!

Highland, I won't try to dispute your claim. However, you cannot say with certainty that it's ONLY a minority of the group. Unless you know them personally, you don't know how many have racist motives. But the thing is, it only takes a handful to work the rest of group into frenzy and have major influence on the rest of the group who may have started with noble intentions. Just look at how the Tea Party action inside congress. Why did GOP representative just shout out at Dem representative who was speaking. Were those his true feelings or was he just caught-up in the moment with the teabaggers.  :shrug:

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« Reply #52 on: March 23, 2010, 02:51:47 PM »
Highlander,

When you get chance, could you reflect on our conversation awhile back about tea party, and tell me again how you think it's not about race.

And please explain, how spitting, shouting racial slurs and displaying violent poster themes have anything to do with taxes (or even health care for that matter).  Okay ;D
For the majority of the Tea Party....it's not about race....it's about economics. Like I said before....a few knuckleheads show their stupidity and the liberals paint the entire group as racists. Hell there are racists on this board but that doesn't mean the entire board is racist. GO VIKINGS!!!

Highland, I won't try to dispute your claim. However, you cannot say with certainty that it's ONLY a minority of the group. Unless you know them personally, you don't know how many have racist motives. But the thing is, it only takes a handful to work the rest of group into frenzy and have major influence on the rest of the group who may have started with noble intentions. Just look at how the Tea Party action inside congress. Why did GOP representative just shout out at Dem representative who was speaking. Were those his true feelings or was he just caught-up in the moment with the teabaggers.  :shrug:
Let's put it this way.....I know quite a few people who I would consider members of the Tea Party. I've had lots of discussions with them and I've never heard the slightest hint racial hatred. It's all about how this legislation will impact them financially. The bottom line with them is.......there never has been a government program that costs what the projections say it will. Taking $ 500 billion out of medicare.....how is that going to impact seniors? It's a shell game and any intelligent person can see that. I've asked questions about how do you bring 30 million new people into a program with no new doctors? What is the impact? Who is paying for them? This is not a well thought out piece of legislation. To save face the Dems had to pass something and it's going to cost them at the ballot box. GO VIKINGS!!!

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« Reply #53 on: March 23, 2010, 03:04:37 PM »
^^^
I know I lean right most of the time when it comes to self made men & people.  I applaud that but sticking to this subject is not a left/right wing lean thing.  The fact of this matter pertaining to the subject is just those folks were dead d&mn wrong and their actions were racists and highly disrespectful.  Those in the media and on this forum and other places that claim that this did not happen or 'they' didn't see or hear it are flat out lying.  Regardless if they saw it or heard it or not, it did happen and their sheepish ignorance only adds to the core of the problem.
Everyone has a right to voice their opinion about anything but the lines of dignity and respect should never be crossed.  That is my rub with the Tea Baggers.  They think that they can be disrespectful and bullish without recourse.  Last count I saw that the majority of lawmakers are not of color..... so why is this a "Black Thing"
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« Reply #54 on: March 23, 2010, 03:25:58 PM »
Highlander,

When you get chance, could you reflect on our conversation awhile back about tea party, and tell me again how you think it's not about race.

And please explain, how spitting, shouting racial slurs and displaying violent poster themes have anything to do with taxes (or even health care for that matter).  Okay ;D
For the majority of the Tea Party....it's not about race....it's about economics. .......

That's a valid opinion, highlander, altho you offer no evidence.  

I have a different opinion and until the Tea Party itself expels those folks - LIKE OBAMA HAD TO REJECT, RENOUNCE, CONDEMN, etc Rev. Wright - I'll stick with mine.

As I have said before, white Conservatives and some Black ones seem to find it convenient to admit that racism exists IN GENERAL.  HOWEVER, when it comes to discussing ANYthing in particular, it is never racism.  There is always another rationale to explain behavior or tactics that, IMO, have in common the pursuit of ends which are harmful to Black folks and which maintain white advantage or group benefit.  

So.........
It wasn't racism that buttressed and justified slavery; it was economic interests.

It wasn't racism that had Repubs betray Reconstruction and Dems to destroy it; it was political expediency.

It wasn't racism that reduced many Blacks in the south to near-servitude via share-cropping and limited educational opportunities, municipal services, etc; it was economics.

It wasn't racism to oppose the integration of schools; it was resistance to interference in local affairs by the Supreme Court led by that Communist Earl Warren.

It wasn't racism that kept Blacks out of unions in NYC; it was preferences to relatives of existing members.

It wasn't racism behind opposition to Civil Rights; it was resistance to "outside agitators" and the importance of States' Rights.

It wasn't racism to oppose school busing (despite in some cases, previous busing past closer segregated schools); it was the need for neighborhood schools.

It wasn't racism to oppose "open housing" and the invalidation of discriminatory "covenants"; it was the sanctity of contracts.

It wasn't racism that Dems rejected the freely elected Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party delegates and instead seated the delegates from the whites-only election; it was political expediency.

It isn't racism (despite centuries of preferential treatment for whites as a group) to oppose Affirmative Action; it is fairness based on individuals, not groups.

It isn't racism (despite study after study showing discrimination in test cases) when Black folks complain about job and promotion discrimination; it is an isolated case, if an audio tape surfaces, and, if no tape, a figment of Blacks' imagination.

It isn't racism when white flight from neighborhoods occurs; it is concern about property values.

It isn't racism when white flight from public schools occurs; it is concern about educational quality.

It wasn't racism when white parents in Arizona(?) fought against naming the brand new high school after Dr. King; it was their concern that other racists would discriminate against their kids for college admission thinking it was an inner-city (code for Black) school.  Of course, we would never be able to identify THAT racism in admissions decisions in any specific location.

It isn't racism when cops stop Blacks driving at a much higher rate than whites; it is a coincidence.

It wasn't racism when Black MALE students in dental school with my daughter were given lower grades for superior work (even finally acknowledged by their fellow white students after they first dismissed the claim by Blacks); it was unexplainable.

It wasn't racism when cops fired dozens of times at INNOCENT Black men sitting in a van or at one reaching for his ID or at a group leaving a night club, OR police sodomized a Black suspect in the precinct bathroom, it was job-related stress or a misunderstanding.

It isn't racism that Blacks of equal income receive less aggressive medical care and die at a higher rate;  it is puzzling.

It wasn't racism that had Reagan open his re-election campaign in Philadelphia, Miss; it was the Southern Strategy.

It wasn't racism that fewer than 30% of southern whites voted for Obama; it was....OK, you got me there!


So, it is logical that it is not racism when, ALL OF A SUDDEN, after decades of deficit spending and exploding national debt and the passage of legislation without paying for benefits under white Presidents of either/both parties, folks come out of the woodwork to oppose the current President on economic grounds.  

It is PURE COINCIDENCE, therefore that the President is Black and that anti-govt demonstrations are so emotional and fervent and are peppered with racist signs and behavior AND that hardly any Black folks are there.  

I'll stick with my opinion.  Talk about "knowing racism when I see it."
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« Reply #55 on: March 23, 2010, 03:46:09 PM »
Highlander,

When you get chance, could you reflect on our conversation awhile back about tea party, and tell me again how you think it's not about race.

And please explain, how spitting, shouting racial slurs and displaying violent poster themes have anything to do with taxes (or even health care for that matter).  Okay ;D
For the majority of the Tea Party....it's not about race....it's about economics. .......

That's a valid opinion, highlander, altho you offer no evidence.  

I have a different opinion and until the Tea Party itself expels those folks - LIKE OBAMA HAD TO REJECT, RENOUNCE, CONDEMN, etc Rev. Wright - I'll stick with mine.

As I have said before, white Conservatives and some Black ones seem to find it convenient to admit that racism exists IN GENERAL.  HOWEVER, when it comes to discussing ANYthing in particular, it is never racism.  There is always another rationale to explain behavior or tactics that, IMO, have in common the pursuit of ends which are harmful to Black folks and which maintain white advantage or group benefit.  

So.........
It wasn't racism that buttressed and justified slavery; it was economic interests.

It wasn't racism that had Repubs betray Reconstruction and Dems to destroy it; it was political expediency.

It wasn't racism that reduced many Blacks in the south to near-servitude via share-cropping and limited educational opportunities, municipal services, etc; it was economics.

It wasn't racism to oppose the integration of schools; it was resistance to interference in local affairs by the Supreme Court led by that Communist Earl Warren.

It wasn't racism that kept Blacks out of unions in NYC; it was preferences to relatives of existing members.

It wasn't racism behind opposition to Civil Rights; it was resistance to "outside agitators" and the importance of States' Rights.

It wasn't racism to oppose school busing (despite in some cases, previous busing past closer segregated schools); it was the need for neighborhood schools.

It wasn't racism to oppose "open housing" and the invalidation of discriminatory "covenants"; it was the sanctity of contracts.

It wasn't racism that Dems rejected the freely elected Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party delegates and instead seated the delegates from the whites-only election; it was political expediency.

It isn't racism (despite centuries of preferential treatment for whites as a group) to oppose Affirmative Action; it is fairness based on individuals, not groups.

It isn't racism (despite study after study showing discrimination in test cases) when Black folks complain about job and promotion discrimination; it is an isolated case, if an audio tape surfaces, and, if no tape, a figment of Blacks' imagination.

It isn't racism when white flight from neighborhoods occurs; it is concern about property values.

It isn't racism when white flight from public schools occurs; it is concern about educational quality.

It wasn't racism when white parents in Arizona(?) fought against naming the brand new high school after Dr. King; it was their concern that other racists would discriminate against their kids for college admission thinking it was an inner-city (code for Black) school.  Of course, we would never be able to identify THAT racism in admissions decisions in any specific location.

It isn't racism when cops stop Blacks driving at a much higher rate than whites; it is a coincidence.

It wasn't racism when Black MALE students in dental school with my daughter were given lower grades for superior work (even finally acknowledged by their fellow white students after they first dismissed the claim by Blacks); it was unexplainable.

It wasn't racism when cops fired dozens of times at INNOCENT Black men sitting in a van or at one reaching for his ID or at a group leaving a night club, OR police sodomized a Black suspect in the precinct bathroom, it was job-related stress or a misunderstanding.

It isn't racism that Blacks of equal income receive less aggressive medical care and die at a higher rate;  it is puzzling.

It wasn't racism that had Reagan open his re-election campaign in Philadelphia, Miss; it was the Southern Strategy.

It wasn't racism that fewer than 30% of southern whites voted for Obama; it was....OK, you got me there!


So, it is logical that it is not racism when, ALL OF A SUDDEN, after decades of deficit spending and exploding national debt and the passage of legislation without paying for benefits under white Presidents of either/both parties, folks come out of the woodwork to oppose the current President on economic grounds.  

It is PURE COINCIDENCE, therefore that the President is Black and that anti-govt demonstrations are so emotional and fervent and are peppered with racist signs and behavior AND that hardly any Black folks are there.  

I'll stick with my opinion.  Talk about "knowing racism when I see it."
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« Reply #56 on: March 23, 2010, 03:51:08 PM »
Highlander,

When you get chance, could you reflect on our conversation awhile back about tea party, and tell me again how you think it's not about race.

And please explain, how spitting, shouting racial slurs and displaying violent poster themes have anything to do with taxes (or even health care for that matter).  Okay ;D
For the majority of the Tea Party....it's not about race....it's about economics. Like I said before....a few knuckleheads show their stupidity and the liberals paint the entire group as racists. Hell there are racists on this board but that doesn't mean the entire board is racist. GO VIKINGS!!!

Highland, I won't try to dispute your claim. However, you cannot say with certainty that it's ONLY a minority of the group. Unless you know them personally, you don't know how many have racist motives. But the thing is, it only takes a handful to work the rest of group into frenzy and have major influence on the rest of the group who may have started with noble intentions. Just look at how the Tea Party action inside congress. Why did GOP representative just shout out at Dem representative who was speaking. Were those his true feelings or was he just caught-up in the moment with the teabaggers.  :shrug:
Let's put it this way.....I know quite a few people who I would consider members of the Tea Party. I've had lots of discussions with them and I've never heard the slightest hint racial hatred. It's all about how this legislation will impact them financially. The bottom line with them is.......there never has been a government program that costs what the projections say it will. Taking $ 500 billion out of medicare.....how is that going to impact seniors? It's a shell game and any intelligent person can see that. I've asked questions about how do you bring 30 million new people into a program with no new doctors? What is the impact? Who is paying for them? This is not a well thought out piece of legislation. To save face the Dems had to pass something and it's going to cost them at the ballot box. GO VIKINGS!!!

Highland, do you mind if I ask if those people you "consider" tea party members are white? And clarify what you mean by "consider". Are they active tea party members or not? Nobody really knows about the ones that stay home. Our opinions are formed based on the ones we see at the protests.

Now, with various items you listed, which ones take teabaggers to that level of outrage where they feel it necessary to inject racial slurs and carry demeaning signs. I understand people concern about self but as Americans is that what everything boils down to. We don't care about helping people - just give me mine. I saw one tea party sign which read "Don't steal from Medicare to pay for socialized medicine". Priceless.

Now as far as the shell game on the cost/savings, you do know DEM and GOP have agreed to abide by CBO scoring as independent. The CBO scored this HCR bill and said it would generate savings to the deficit. Conversely, during the Bush years, he ignored CBO scores which indicated in big increases in deficits.

Put yourself in teabagger shoes, which should you be more outraged about?

1) president who starts with big surplus and implements program that CBO say will increase deficit and did turn it into a big deficit;

2) or president that starts with big deficit and implements program that CBO says will reduce that deficit and future deficit status unknown at this point.
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« Reply #57 on: March 23, 2010, 04:17:36 PM »
Highlander,

When you get chance, could you reflect on our conversation awhile back about tea party, and tell me again how you think it's not about race.

And please explain, how spitting, shouting racial slurs and displaying violent poster themes have anything to do with taxes (or even health care for that matter).  Okay ;D
For the majority of the Tea Party....it's not about race....it's about economics. Like I said before....a few knuckleheads show their stupidity and the liberals paint the entire group as racists. Hell there are racists on this board but that doesn't mean the entire board is racist. GO VIKINGS!!!

Highland, I won't try to dispute your claim. However, you cannot say with certainty that it's ONLY a minority of the group. Unless you know them personally, you don't know how many have racist motives. But the thing is, it only takes a handful to work the rest of group into frenzy and have major influence on the rest of the group who may have started with noble intentions. Just look at how the Tea Party action inside congress. Why did GOP representative just shout out at Dem representative who was speaking. Were those his true feelings or was he just caught-up in the moment with the teabaggers.  :shrug:
Let's put it this way.....I know quite a few people who I would consider members of the Tea Party. I've had lots of discussions with them and I've never heard the slightest hint racial hatred. It's all about how this legislation will impact them financially. The bottom line with them is.......there never has been a government program that costs what the projections say it will. Taking $ 500 billion out of medicare.....how is that going to impact seniors? It's a shell game and any intelligent person can see that. I've asked questions about how do you bring 30 million new people into a program with no new doctors? What is the impact? Who is paying for them? This is not a well thought out piece of legislation. To save face the Dems had to pass something and it's going to cost them at the ballot box. GO VIKINGS!!!

Highland, do you mind if I ask if those people you "consider" tea party members are white? And clarify what you mean by "consider". Are they active tea party members or not? Nobody really knows about the ones that stay home. Our opinions are formed based on the ones we see at the protests.

Now, with various items you listed, which ones take teabaggers to that level of outrage where they feel it necessary to inject racial slurs and carry demeaning signs. I understand people concern about self but as Americans is that what everything boils down to. We don't care about helping people - just give me mine. I saw one tea party sign which read "Don't steal from Medicare to pay for socialized medicine". Priceless.

Now as far as the shell game on the cost/savings, you do know DEM and GOP have agreed to abide by CBO scoring as independent. The CBO scored this HCR bill and said it would generate savings to the deficit. Conversely, during the Bush years, he ignored CBO scores which indicated in big increases in deficits.

Put yourself in teabagger shoes, which should you be more outraged about?

1) president who starts with big surplus and implements program that CBO say will increase deficit and did turn it into a big deficit;

2) or president that starts with big deficit and implements program that CBO says will reduce that deficit and future deficit status unknown at this point.


There are not more Blacks involved in the Tea PArty Movement because our folks ignorance is so pervasive it's pathetic. You jokers are a prime example of what I am talking about.

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« Reply #58 on: March 23, 2010, 05:23:21 PM »
If there's a photo example of "pervasive ignorance" in the encyclopedia, it is of Olds..t.

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« Reply #59 on: March 23, 2010, 05:30:12 PM »
Quote from Oldsport:
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Robert Byrd and the Demo-craps supporrted all the above.

That is so weak and so predictably myopic.

Byrd:  Guilty, altho he has confessed and asked forgiveness.

Other Democrats:  true also up until MANY, IF NOT MOST of those who supported all of that racist crap became Dixie-crats because they didn't like the Dem's support of Civil Rights Laws, Voting Rights laws, etc.  Then many of them, like Strom Thurman, became Repubs, where they were welcomed warmly and even courted thru the Repubs Southern Strategy.

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