[PowellAnthony]

Is it time to have a four-team HBCU playoff system on the FCS level?


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[bluedog]

It's amazing how so many of you don't understand how logistically impossible that is.

[81alphaeagle]

It's amazing how so many of you don't understand how logistically impossible that is.

If it gets rid of a AEP poll......

[FunCkMaster]

No young brother.

You basically have 18 FCS HBCU schools in 2 conferences. Then you add in Tenn. St., NC A&T and Hampton, who play in PWI conferences, and most likely would not be willing to participate.

Too bad we can't add D2 schools to this mix, because then the field would be around 42-47 schools (add in a couple of independents and NAIA schools who play in PWI conferences) but FCS schools will only volunteer to play them at any time MAYBE once a season. Most won't "stoop" down to play them at all.

We really need to kill that dream and move on.

[JAG89]

No young brother.

You basically have 18 FCS HBCU schools in 2 conferences. Then you add in Tenn. St., NC A&T and Hampton, who play in PWI conferences, and most likely would not be willing to participate.

Too bad we can't add D2 schools to this mix, because then the field would be around 42-47 schools (add in a couple of independents and NAIA schools who play in PWI conferences) but FCS schools will only volunteer to play them at any time MAYBE once a season. Most won't "stoop" down to play them at all.

We really need to kill that dream and move on.

I still say a few DII HBCUs should consider moving up to the FCS level.

[bluedog]

This is real life, not EA Sports where you can just pick any school from any conference or division that you want.

[Oldschoolram]

It's amazing how so many of you don't understand how logistically impossible that is.

It's not impossible.  DIFFICULT?!  Definitely.

To the board veterans, you may recall a few years ago when many were criticizing the TRF Power Rating, I explained that it was created to use as the basis for such a playoff. In fact I still have the blue print.

Funk, it included D2/NAIA.  Thanks to Bill Hayes and Kermit Blount, NAFEO, the Black Athletes in America forum, AND Cardiss Collins, I got an audience with the proposal.

Coaches and most Athletics Directors were for the idea.  The nay-sayers consisted of the D1 presidents except for UAPB's William Harris. I will politely say that they were short-sighted in their views. Most of their arguments were about the tournament itself. "D2 schools can't beat us!"  Mind you, our 10-2 team that year beat the MEAC champions.  This particular president came in 2nd in the MEAC, only lost 2 games, BEAT the eventual national champions, and stayed home that year.

OF COURSE $$$$ came up.  My proposal involved a minimum 2-year plan to get all that organized. Naturally many wanted a "right now" solution.

[bluedog]

It's amazing how so many of you don't understand how logistically impossible that is.

It's not impossible.  DIFFICULT?!  Definitely.

To the board veterans, you may recall a few years ago when many were criticizing the TRF Power Rating, I explained that it was created to use as the basis for such a playoff. In fact I still have the blue print.

Funk, it included D2/NAIA.  Thanks to Bill Hayes and Kermit Blount, NAFEO, the Black Athletes in America forum, AND Cardiss Collins, I got an audience with the proposal.

Coaches and most Athletics Directors were for the idea.  The nay-sayers consisted of the D1 presidents except for UAPB's William Harris. I will politely say that they were short-sighted in their views. Most of their arguments were about the tournament itself. "D2 schools can't beat us!"  Mind you, our 10-2 team that year beat the MEAC champions.  This particular president came in 2nd in the MEAC, only lost 2 games, BEAT the eventual national champions, and stayed home that year.

OF COURSE $$$$ came up.  My proposal involved a minimum 2-year plan to get all that organized. Naturally many wanted a "right now" solution.

1. Who's going to come up with the money for it?
2. Nobody is giving up $3.5mil to participate in a playoff against division two schools.
3. Where is the money going to come from for each schools travel and logging?
4. It's against NCAA regulations
5. It weakens the division one schools brand, and the SWAC leverage to move to fbs.
6. It's too costly going into the holiday season.

[JAG89]

It's amazing how so many of you don't understand how logistically impossible that is.

It's not impossible.  DIFFICULT?!  Definitely.

To the board veterans, you may recall a few years ago when many were criticizing the TRF Power Rating, I explained that it was created to use as the basis for such a playoff. In fact I still have the blue print.

Funk, it included D2/NAIA.  Thanks to Bill Hayes and Kermit Blount, NAFEO, the Black Athletes in America forum, AND Cardiss Collins, I got an audience with the proposal.

Coaches and most Athletics Directors were for the idea.  The nay-sayers consisted of the D1 presidents except for UAPB's William Harris. I will politely say that they were short-sighted in their views. Most of their arguments were about the tournament itself. "D2 schools can't beat us!"  Mind you, our 10-2 team that year beat the MEAC champions.  This particular president came in 2nd in the MEAC, only lost 2 games, BEAT the eventual national champions, and stayed home that year.

OF COURSE $$$$ came up.  My proposal involved a minimum 2-year plan to get all that organized. Naturally many wanted a "right now" solution.

1. Who's going to come up with the money for it?
2. Nobody is giving up $3.5mil to participate in a playoff against division two schools.
3. Where is the money going to come from for each schools travel and logging?
4. It's against NCAA regulations
5. It weakens the division one schools brand, and the SWAC leverage to move to fbs.
6. It's to costly going into the holiday season.

You are so right.  It's akin to Coach Prime wanting JSU to join the B1G.  If DII HBCUs want the same coverage and recognition as DI HBCUs, they should consider moving up to FCS DI level.  There will never be a level playing field for HBCUs playing at different levels.

[JBROB]

Bid bewilderment: FCS football playoff selection, hosting process needs an overhaul

By Brett Hein - Standard-Examiner | Nov 29, 2022

The top eight teams are seeded one through eight and awarded a first-round bye, according to a subjective process from the committee. The other 16 teams play in the first round; who hosts the eight games at home in the first round is, again, decided by the committee.

Schools that desire to host games must send a bid that commits a guaranteed monetary amount to be paid to the NCAA. The host school gets to try and recoup some of that bid money by selling tickets, but only slightly: the NCAA keeps 85% of ticket revenue.

To cut down on travel, the first two rounds of the bracket are also designed with regional matchups in mind.

Several problems with this process came to a head in this year’s playoff field.

...

Weber State, meanwhile, was awarded a home game despite having a bid much smaller than North Dakota’s. Tom Miller, a Grand Forks Herald reporter who was on site in Ogden to cover UND play WSU, reported via records requests that UND’s bid to host a game was $127,500 and Weber’s was just shy of $42,000.

...

The second-round minimum bid is around $48,000, Semb reported, who added the hypothetical that if Montana State did the minimum and Weber State bid twice that much, there would be a conversation about who hosted the game despite MSU being the No. 4 seed and Weber being unseeded.

https://www.standard.net/sports/weber-state/2022/nov/29/bid-bewilderment-fcs-football-playoff-selection-hosting-process-needs-an-overhaul/

[bluedog]

The top eight teams are seeded one through eight and awarded a first-round bye, according to a subjective process from the committee. The other 16 teams play in the first round; who hosts the eight games at home in the first round is, again, decided by the committee.

Schools that desire to host games must send a bid that commits a guaranteed monetary amount to be paid to the NCAA. The host school gets to try and recoup some of that bid money by selling tickets, but only slightly: the NCAA keeps 85% of ticket revenue.

To cut down on travel, the first two rounds of the bracket are also designed with regional matchups in mind.

Several problems with this process came to a head in this year’s playoff field.

...

Weber State, meanwhile, was awarded a home game despite having a bid much smaller than North Dakota’s. Tom Miller, a Grand Forks Herald reporter who was on site in Ogden to cover UND play WSU, reported via records requests that UND’s bid to host a game was $127,500 and Weber’s was just shy of $42,000.

...

The second-round minimum bid is around $48,000, Semb reported, who added the hypothetical that if Montana State did the minimum and Weber State bid twice that much, there would be a conversation about who hosted the game despite MSU being the No. 4 seed and Weber being unseeded.

https://www.standard.net/sports/weber-state/2022/nov/29/bid-bewilderment-fcs-football-playoff-selection-hosting-process-needs-an-overhaul/

What's the point being made with this post?

[JBROB]

Bid bewilderment: FCS football playoff selection, hosting process needs an overhaul
By Brett Hein - Standard-Examiner | Nov 29, 2022

The writers plan...

It could be so much more simple, and the fixes are easy as long as the Division I football oversight committee agrees to recommend the end of regionalization beyond the first round. Subjectivity from a committee is not totally avoidable, but cutting down on the number of subjective factors would go a long way.

First, the top 16 teams should be seeded, with the top eight being awarded a bye and a second-round home game.

Seeds No. 9-16 should then be assigned to host home games in the first round, provided they agree to a small, minimum, standardized monetary guarantee and can provide proof of adequate facilities. All bids to host would be equal (say $40,000 for the first round). Schools could not outbid one another to host games and most teams would only be kept from hosting home games by failing to agree to the small, standardized bid.

Using those top 16 teams, the bracket should be arranged in the way sports tournaments are typically organized using seeded teams, regardless of geography.

Then, the final eight teams in the field would be unseeded and assigned road games based on geography while avoiding rematches from the regular season. This would still allow for limiting travel costs, but in the first round only and only after the top 16 are rewarded for on-field performance.

https://www.standard.net/sports/weber-state/2022/nov/29/bid-bewilderment-fcs-football-playoff-selection-hosting-process-needs-an-overhaul/

[bluedog]

It's amazing how so many of you don't understand how logistically impossible that is.

It's not impossible.  DIFFICULT?!  Definitely.

To the board veterans, you may recall a few years ago when many were criticizing the TRF Power Rating, I explained that it was created to use as the basis for such a playoff. In fact I still have the blue print.

Funk, it included D2/NAIA.  Thanks to Bill Hayes and Kermit Blount, NAFEO, the Black Athletes in America forum, AND Cardiss Collins, I got an audience with the proposal.

Coaches and most Athletics Directors were for the idea.  The nay-sayers consisted of the D1 presidents except for UAPB's William Harris. I will politely say that they were short-sighted in their views. Most of their arguments were about the tournament itself. "D2 schools can't beat us!"  Mind you, our 10-2 team that year beat the MEAC champions.  This particular president came in 2nd in the MEAC, only lost 2 games, BEAT the eventual national champions, and stayed home that year.

OF COURSE $$$$ came up.  My proposal involved a minimum 2-year plan to get all that organized. Naturally many wanted a "right now" solution.

1. Who's going to come up with the money for it?
2. Nobody is giving up $3.5mil to participate in a playoff against division two schools.
3. Where is the money going to come from for each schools travel and logging?
4. It's against NCAA regulations
5. It weakens the division one schools brand, and the SWAC leverage to move to fbs.
6. It's to costly going into the holiday season.

You are so right.  It's akin to Coach Prime wanting JSU to join the B1G.  If DII HBCUs want the same coverage and recognition as DI HBCUs, they should consider moving up to FCS DI level.  There will never be a level playing field for HBCUs playing at different levels.

Now an argument can be made for a four-team playoff between the meac vs swac. But I'd have an issue with that too.

[bluedog]

The writers plan...

It could be so much more simple, and the fixes are easy as long as the Division I football oversight committee agrees to recommend the end of regionalization beyond the first round. Subjectivity from a committee is not totally avoidable, but cutting down on the number of subjective factors would go a long way.

First, the top 16 teams should be seeded, with the top eight being awarded a bye and a second-round home game.

Seeds No. 9-16 should then be assigned to host home games in the first round, provided they agree to a small, minimum, standardized monetary guarantee and can provide proof of adequate facilities. All bids to host would be equal (say $40,000 for the first round). Schools could not outbid one another to host games and most teams would only be kept from hosting home games by failing to agree to the small, standardized bid.

Using those top 16 teams, the bracket should be arranged in the way sports tournaments are typically organized using seeded teams, regardless of geography.

Then, the final eight teams in the field would be unseeded and assigned road games based on geography while avoiding rematches from the regular season. This would still allow for limiting travel costs, but in the first round only and only after the top 16 are rewarded for on-field performance.

https://www.standard.net/sports/weber-state/2022/nov/29/bid-bewilderment-fcs-football-playoff-selection-hosting-process-needs-an-overhaul/

This has absolutely nothing to do with the topic.

[JBROB]

The top eight teams are seeded one through eight and awarded a first-round bye, according to a subjective process from the committee. The other 16 teams play in the first round; who hosts the eight games at home in the first round is, again, decided by the committee.

Schools that desire to host games must send a bid that commits a guaranteed monetary amount to be paid to the NCAA. The host school gets to try and recoup some of that bid money by selling tickets, but only slightly: the NCAA keeps 85% of ticket revenue.

To cut down on travel, the first two rounds of the bracket are also designed with regional matchups in mind.

Several problems with this process came to a head in this year’s playoff field.

...

Weber State, meanwhile, was awarded a home game despite having a bid much smaller than North Dakota’s. Tom Miller, a Grand Forks Herald reporter who was on site in Ogden to cover UND play WSU, reported via records requests that UND’s bid to host a game was $127,500 and Weber’s was just shy of $42,000.

...

The second-round minimum bid is around $48,000, Semb reported, who added the hypothetical that if Montana State did the minimum and Weber State bid twice that much, there would be a conversation about who hosted the game despite MSU being the No. 4 seed and Weber being unseeded.

https://www.standard.net/sports/weber-state/2022/nov/29/bid-bewilderment-fcs-football-playoff-selection-hosting-process-needs-an-overhaul/

What's the point being made with this post?

I was just trying to understand how the NCAA pays for the FCS Playoffs.  Maybe it might food for thought.