[DRUMMA1]

……………………………………………………………………….,

Not sure about Div 2, but there is only ONE HBCU FCS school which has a DOCUMENTED history of winning playoff games. And that’s the school located on the highest of seven hills in Tallahassee.

So if THIS is the criterion which weighs most heavily with the selection committee, the Rattlers should be in almost every year…………:::RIGHT???

…………I thought it might be helpful to the UNBIASED observer of this thread if I reposted what I stated earlier. Beyond all of the MINDLESS DRIVEL which too often drives the discussion on this board, FAMU’s playoff history should have been accorded some deference in the playoffs selection process.

But, hey, FAMU getting screwed? Well, that’s perfectly fine for the school most love to hate on this board.

Anyway, I’ve said enough and, quite frankly, am sounding redundant.

So, FAMU is out of the playoffs, Jackson State “conveniently” hides behind SCG and Celebration Bowl to AVOID being tested by some of the “traditional” FCS powers, and it appears that’s just fine by folks who opine on this board.

You are right about Jackson State. They are hiding from the big boys. Deion keep making excuses while beating up on SWAC schools with less talent and resources. I love what he is doing for HBCUs, but he needs to show the world what he has or stop talking and taking bows. If he wants to be our God, then do some "God like" things like beating good schools on his level.

Coach Prime also stated we HBCUs consistently get beat in the trenches (OL) and wants to have depth at that position before we schedule those teams so we can actually beat them. Yall schedule these PWIs just to schedule them with no real game plan or depth.

In the last 10 years WSSU has played and beaten more national powers than any school in HBCU history. In fact, both HBCU DII conferences play national powers on yearly bases, and win.

Everything you just said is what schools say when they can't compete or in hiding. You are ranked in the top ten and have some of the best talent in the nation. What else do you need? Deion is wanting guaranteed wins so he only plays schools he knows he can beat. He averages 43,000 fans a game and the best facilities and coaches but yet he's scared. Maybe he doesn't want to be out coached. But even Steve Wonder can see he's hiding. Playing schools with 2,000 students with facilities worse than most Texas high schools... not God like.

We've been worshiping ya'll, so now do something. Play God.

WSSU had that success in 2012 under Maynor and I applaud you all. We do not have the same mission as WSSU or D2 schools.

JSU is still building a solid program. IMO, there is no point in playing top FCS teams if our goal is the Celebration Bowl. JSU is an underfunded HBCU in the poorest state in the union so playing PWIs (IMO), whether it be on the road or at home, does not serve us well, financially. I don't have a problem scheduling a ranked PWI for Homecoming because our attendance will be fine but playing NDSU just to say we played/beat them is asinine! We don't care about white validation...wanna know why? Because we already have the #1 recruiting class, the #1 fanbase and are ranked in the Top 5 WITHOUT scheduling PWIs.

Let Jackson State continue to reinvent what it means to be successful. Let us continue to chase the bag. We are showing Black America what can happen when you invest in/support your own. JSU doesn't need PWIs to be relevant, competitive or for validation; they need us.

You said all that to say you're not competitive on your level. A bunch of excuses. ALL sports is about winning on your level. If ya'll are okay with beating weaker schools I'm good with that.But you can't be our God doing that.You can't ask for the hearts and minds of the HBCU world being cowards. FAMU want to take on that challenge. I'm loving them for wanting to step up. For not making excuses. For not being afraid.

We played and dominated Campbell. They played and struggled with Albany State.

[Ram55]

……………………………………………………………………….,

Not sure about Div 2, but there is only ONE HBCU FCS school which has a DOCUMENTED history of winning playoff games. And that’s the school located on the highest of seven hills in Tallahassee.

So if THIS is the criterion which weighs most heavily with the selection committee, the Rattlers should be in almost every year…………:::RIGHT???

…………I thought it might be helpful to the UNBIASED observer of this thread if I reposted what I stated earlier. Beyond all of the MINDLESS DRIVEL which too often drives the discussion on this board, FAMU’s playoff history should have been accorded some deference in the playoffs selection process.

But, hey, FAMU getting screwed? Well, that’s perfectly fine for the school most love to hate on this board.

Anyway, I’ve said enough and, quite frankly, am sounding redundant.

So, FAMU is out of the playoffs, Jackson State “conveniently” hides behind SCG and Celebration Bowl to AVOID being tested by some of the “traditional” FCS powers, and it appears that’s just fine by folks who opine on this board.

You are right about Jackson State. They are hiding from the big boys. Deion keep making excuses while beating up on SWAC schools with less talent and resources. I love what he is doing for HBCUs, but he needs to show the world what he has or stop talking and taking bows. If he wants to be our God, then do some "God like" things like beating good schools on his level.

Coach Prime also stated we HBCUs consistently get beat in the trenches (OL) and wants to have depth at that position before we schedule those teams so we can actually beat them. Yall schedule these PWIs just to schedule them with no real game plan or depth.

In the last 10 years WSSU has played and beaten more national powers than any school in HBCU history. In fact, both HBCU DII conferences play national powers on yearly bases, and win.

Everything you just said is what schools say when they can't compete or in hiding. You are ranked in the top ten and have some of the best talent in the nation. What else do you need? Deion is wanting guaranteed wins so he only plays schools he knows he can beat. He averages 43,000 fans a game and the best facilities and coaches but yet he's scared. Maybe he doesn't want to be out coached. But even Steve Wonder can see he's hiding. Playing schools with 2,000 students with facilities worse than most Texas high schools... not God like.

We've been worshiping ya'll, so now do something. Play God.

WSSU had that success in 2012 under Maynor and I applaud you all. We do not have the same mission as WSSU or D2 schools.

JSU is still building a solid program. IMO, there is no point in playing top FCS teams if our goal is the Celebration Bowl. JSU is an underfunded HBCU in the poorest state in the union so playing PWIs (IMO), whether it be on the road or at home, does not serve us well, financially. I don't have a problem scheduling a ranked PWI for Homecoming because our attendance will be fine but playing NDSU just to say we played/beat them is asinine! We don't care about white validation...wanna know why? Because we already have the #1 recruiting class, the #1 fanbase and are ranked in the Top 5 WITHOUT scheduling PWIs.

Let Jackson State continue to reinvent what it means to be successful. Let us continue to chase the bag. We are showing Black America what can happen when you invest in/support your own. JSU doesn't need PWIs to be relevant, competitive or for validation; they need us.

You said all that to say you're not competitive on your level. A bunch of excuses. ALL sports is about winning on your level. If ya'll are okay with beating weaker schools I'm good with that.But you can't be our God doing that.You can't ask for the hearts and minds of the HBCU world being cowards. FAMU want to take on that challenge. I'm loving them for wanting to step up. For not making excuses. For not being afraid.

We played and dominated Campbell. They played and struggled with Albany State.

Don't get me wrong, I love what ya'll are doing at Jackson. I just wanted ya'll to kick some PWS arssss.

[Que82]

……………………………………………………………………….,

Not sure about Div 2, but there is only ONE HBCU FCS school which has a DOCUMENTED history of winning playoff games. And that’s the school located on the highest of seven hills in Tallahassee.

So if THIS is the criterion which weighs most heavily with the selection committee, the Rattlers should be in almost every year…………:::RIGHT???

…………I thought it might be helpful to the UNBIASED observer of this thread if I reposted what I stated earlier. Beyond all of the MINDLESS DRIVEL which too often drives the discussion on this board, FAMU’s playoff history should have been accorded some deference in the playoffs selection process.

But, hey, FAMU getting screwed? Well, that’s perfectly fine for the school most love to hate on this board.

Anyway, I’ve said enough and, quite frankly, am sounding redundant.

So, FAMU is out of the playoffs, Jackson State “conveniently” hides behind SCG and Celebration Bowl to AVOID being tested by some of the “traditional” FCS powers, and it appears that’s just fine by folks who opine on this board.

You are right about Jackson State. They are hiding from the big boys. Deion keep making excuses while beating up on SWAC schools with less talent and resources. I love what he is doing for HBCUs, but he needs to show the world what he has or stop talking and taking bows. If he wants to be our God, then do some "God like" things like beating good schools on his level.

Coach Prime also stated we HBCUs consistently get beat in the trenches (OL) and wants to have depth at that position before we schedule those teams so we can actually beat them. Yall schedule these PWIs just to schedule them with no real game plan or depth.

In the last 10 years WSSU has played and beaten more national powers than any school in HBCU history. In fact, both HBCU DII conferences play national powers on yearly bases, and win.

Everything you just said is what schools say when they can't compete or in hiding. You are ranked in the top ten and have some of the best talent in the nation. What else do you need? Deion is wanting guaranteed wins so he only plays schools he knows he can beat. He averages 43,000 fans a game and the best facilities and coaches but yet he's scared. Maybe he doesn't want to be out coached. But even Steve Wonder can see he's hiding. Playing schools with 2,000 students with facilities worse than most Texas high schools... not God like.

We've been worshiping ya'll, so now do something. Play God.

WSSU had that success in 2012 under Maynor and I applaud you all. We do not have the same mission as WSSU or D2 schools.

JSU is still building a solid program. IMO, there is no point in playing top FCS teams if our goal is the Celebration Bowl. JSU is an underfunded HBCU in the poorest state in the union so playing PWIs (IMO), whether it be on the road or at home, does not serve us well, financially. I don't have a problem scheduling a ranked PWI for Homecoming because our attendance will be fine but playing NDSU just to say we played/beat them is asinine! We don't care about white validation...wanna know why? Because we already have the #1 recruiting class, the #1 fanbase and are ranked in the Top 5 WITHOUT scheduling PWIs.

Let Jackson State continue to reinvent what it means to be successful. Let us continue to chase the bag. We are showing Black America what can happen when you invest in/support your own. JSU doesn't need PWIs to be relevant, competitive or for validation; they need us.

You said all that to say you're not competitive on your level. A bunch of excuses. ALL sports is about winning on your level. If ya'll are okay with beating weaker schools I'm good with that.But you can't be our God doing that.You can't ask for the hearts and minds of the HBCU world being cowards. FAMU want to take on that challenge. I'm loving them for wanting to step up. For not making excuses. For not being afraid.

We played and dominated Campbell. They played and struggled with Albany State.

Don't get me wrong, I love what ya'll are doing at Jackson. I just wanted ya'll to kick some PWS arssss.

The SWAC philosophy is, "If it doesn't make money, it doesn't make sense."  We leave the chasing the rabbit around the track to MEAC, CIAA and SIAC.  When the dog catches the rabbit at the dog track, who gets the money, the dog or the owner?

[soflorattler]

Btw, did the NCAA give yall back the check yall sent them to host a first round game? 

  Lawd ham mercy. Dude, that is not how it works. You make a bid by guaranteeing to pay the bid that you submitted IF you receive the bid, not by paying up front. There are no funds exchanged in advance. The NCAA informs the none winning programs that their bid was not accepted, and that's that. The program(s) that win bids then are obligated to submit the amount of the accepted bid that was offered.

[KnuckDogg]

……………………………………………………………………….,

Not sure about Div 2, but there is only ONE HBCU FCS school which has a DOCUMENTED history of winning playoff games. And that’s the school located on the highest of seven hills in Tallahassee.

So if THIS is the criterion which weighs most heavily with the selection committee, the Rattlers should be in almost every year…………:::RIGHT???

…………I thought it might be helpful to the UNBIASED observer of this thread if I reposted what I stated earlier. Beyond all of the MINDLESS DRIVEL which too often drives the discussion on this board, FAMU’s playoff history should have been accorded some deference in the playoffs selection process.

But, hey, FAMU getting screwed? Well, that’s perfectly fine for the school most love to hate on this board.

Anyway, I’ve said enough and, quite frankly, am sounding redundant.

So, FAMU is out of the playoffs, Jackson State “conveniently” hides behind SCG and Celebration Bowl to AVOID being tested by some of the “traditional” FCS powers, and it appears that’s just fine by folks who opine on this board.

You are right about Jackson State. They are hiding from the big boys. Deion keep making excuses while beating up on SWAC schools with less talent and resources. I love what he is doing for HBCUs, but he needs to show the world what he has or stop talking and taking bows. If he wants to be our God, then do some "God like" things like beating good schools on his level.

Coach Prime also stated we HBCUs consistently get beat in the trenches (OL) and wants to have depth at that position before we schedule those teams so we can actually beat them. Yall schedule these PWIs just to schedule them with no real game plan or depth.

In the last 10 years WSSU has played and beaten more national powers than any school in HBCU history. In fact, both HBCU DII conferences play national powers on yearly bases, and win.

Everything you just said is what schools say when they can't compete or in hiding. You are ranked in the top ten and have some of the best talent in the nation. What else do you need? Deion is wanting guaranteed wins so he only plays schools he knows he can beat. He averages 43,000 fans a game and the best facilities and coaches but yet he's scared. Maybe he doesn't want to be out coached. But even Steve Wonder can see he's hiding. Playing schools with 2,000 students with facilities worse than most Texas high schools... not God like.

We've been worshiping ya'll, so now do something. Play God.

WSSU had that success in 2012 under Maynor and I applaud you all. We do not have the same mission as WSSU or D2 schools.

JSU is still building a solid program. IMO, there is no point in playing top FCS teams if our goal is the Celebration Bowl. JSU is an underfunded HBCU in the poorest state in the union so playing PWIs (IMO), whether it be on the road or at home, does not serve us well, financially. I don't have a problem scheduling a ranked PWI for Homecoming because our attendance will be fine but playing NDSU just to say we played/beat them is asinine! We don't care about white validation...wanna know why? Because we already have the #1 recruiting class, the #1 fanbase and are ranked in the Top 5 WITHOUT scheduling PWIs.

Let Jackson State continue to reinvent what it means to be successful. Let us continue to chase the bag. We are showing Black America what can happen when you invest in/support your own. JSU doesn't need PWIs to be relevant, competitive or for validation; they need us.

You said all that to say you're not competitive on your level. A bunch of excuses. ALL sports is about winning on your level. If ya'll are okay with beating weaker schools I'm good with that.But you can't be our God doing that.You can't ask for the hearts and minds of the HBCU world being cowards. FAMU want to take on that challenge. I'm loving them for wanting to step up. For not making excuses. For not being afraid.

We played and dominated Campbell. They played and struggled with Albany State.

Don't get me wrong, I love what ya'll are doing at Jackson. I just wanted ya'll to kick some PWS arssss.

The SWAC philosophy is, "If it doesn't make money, it doesn't make sense."  We leave the chasing the rabbit around the track to MEAC, CIAA and SIAC.  When the dog catches the rabbit at the dog track, who gets the money, the dog or the owner?

Why did you drag the MEAC into that scenario? Our champion plays the SWAC champ in the Celebration Bowl! 

[thatd@mnYOGI]

We leave the chasing the rabbit around the track to MEAC, CIAA and SIAC

We're not chasing the rabbit because we know where we stand and there isn't anyone coming to save us with our own game. At least many of our teams are competitive with our PWI counterparts in the past decade. Leave that for the MEAC.

that's all...   

[DRUMMA1]

Btw, did the NCAA give yall back the check yall sent them to host a first round game? 

  Lawd ham mercy. Dude, that is not how it works. You make a bid by guaranteeing to pay the bid that you submitted....

Yikes.

[y04185]

Wile^^^I’ve got an even more SALIENT question. Of what interest is ANY of this to NCCU? 

If NCCU were not in the Celebration Bowl, we would have received an invite to the playoffs as an at-large.  Yes we played a D2 school and a non-NCAA school.  But we also went 3-1 against OOC FCS schools to include a conference champion and a playoff contender. 

As far as my credentials. . I vote in the AGS poll.  I follow FCS football all year and have been following for over a decade. 

Here were my predictions for playoff selections:

My shot at it:

AQ-11: SDSU, Sacramento State, St Francis, Gardner-Webb, Holy Cross, Samford, EKU, Southeastern Louisiana, Davidson, Southeast Missouri St., William & Mary,

At-large: Montana State, North Dakota State, University of Incarnate Word, Weber State, Furman, New Hampshire, Richmond, Elon, UC-Davis, North Dakota, Tennessee-Martin, Fordham, Mercer

Last Four In: Mercer, North Dakota, Tennessee Martin, UC-Davis
First Four Out: Idaho, Delaware, Chattanooga, Montana
Next Four: Austin Peay, Florida A&M, Youngstown St, Rhode Island


UC-Davis @ North Dakota to #1 Sacramento State
Mercer @ Southeastern Louisiana to #8 Incarnate Word
Southeast Missouri @ UT-Martin to #4 North Dakota State
Davidson @ Elon to #5 Samford

Gardner Webb @ Furman to #2 South Dakota State
Saint Francis @ Richmond to #7 William and Mary
Eastern Kentucky @ Weber State to #3 Montana State
New Hampshire @Fordham to #6 Holy Cross

I correctly predicted 10 of the 13 at-larges, but in my next four out; you see the three at-larges that I missed.  My next four out has three of the four teams that the committee claimed were in their first four out. 

Back to your original question; perhaps this doesn't concern NCCU.  But I'm speaking for myself and no one else.  Finally, the persecution complex is tiring. . . which is why I posted.  There is no grand conspiracy against FAMU.

I wish FAMU would have scheduled another FCS as opposed to D2 Albany State.

KnuckDogg......others agree with you, including, I'm sure, some Rattlers.  But I respectfully disagree about not scheduling Albany State.  Perhaps its nostalgia or something, but back in the 70's when I was an undergrad at FAMU, Albany State was routinely on the Rattlers schedule.  Drive time between Tallahassee and Albany, Ga, is only about a couple of hours or so, and the games, as I recall, were fairly competitive.

Look, in all candor, I'm not even sure if FAMU has stated a DEFINITIVE position about whether it wants to participate in the FCS playoffs.  I don't think this particular squad would have performed well, but I also think it is disingenuous to suggest that our scheduling a historic rival like Albany State cost us participation.  The Rattlers performance in the second game of the season was horrible and inexplicable, and if there is one contest that bumped us, THAT would be the culprit not 'bany State.

But FAMU is the ONLY FCS negro college that has participated in the playoffs before and actually WON games.  All of this bullschitt about being "contractually obligated" to play in conference and black college championship games is offered to provide a convenient excuse to avoid playing the top PWC's in the FCS division.

If you sced say you sced. 

A&T has won playoff games. 

[eagle pride]

……………………………………………………………………….,

Not sure about Div 2, but there is only ONE HBCU FCS school which has a DOCUMENTED history of winning playoff games. And that’s the school located on the highest of seven hills in Tallahassee.

So if THIS is the criterion which weighs most heavily with the selection committee, the Rattlers should be in almost every year…………:::RIGHT???

…………I thought it might be helpful to the UNBIASED observer of this thread if I reposted what I stated earlier. Beyond all of the MINDLESS DRIVEL which too often drives the discussion on this board, FAMU’s playoff history should have been accorded some deference in the playoffs selection process.

But, hey, FAMU getting screwed? Well, that’s perfectly fine for the school most love to hate on this board.

Anyway, I’ve said enough and, quite frankly, am sounding redundant.

So, FAMU is out of the playoffs, Jackson State “conveniently” hides behind SCG and Celebration Bowl to AVOID being tested by some of the “traditional” FCS powers, and it appears that’s just fine by folks who opine on this board.

You are right about Jackson State. They are hiding from the big boys. Deion keep making excuses while beating up on SWAC schools with less talent and resources. I love what he is doing for HBCUs, but he needs to show the world what he has or stop talking and taking bows. If he wants to be our God, then do some "God like" things like beating good schools on his level.

Coach Prime also stated we HBCUs consistently get beat in the trenches (OL) and wants to have depth at that position before we schedule those teams so we can actually beat them. Yall schedule these PWIs just to schedule them with no real game plan or depth.

In the last 10 years WSSU has played and beaten more national powers than any school in HBCU history. In fact, both HBCU DII conferences play national powers on yearly bases, and win.

Everything you just said is what schools say when they can't compete or in hiding. You are ranked in the top ten and have some of the best talent in the nation. What else do you need? Deion is wanting guaranteed wins so he only plays schools he knows he can beat. He averages 43,000 fans a game and the best facilities and coaches but yet he's scared. Maybe he doesn't want to be out coached. But even Steve Wonder can see he's hiding. Playing schools with 2,000 students with facilities worse than most Texas high schools... not God like.

We've been worshiping ya'll, so now do something. Play God.

WSSU had that success in 2012 under Maynor and I applaud you all. We do not have the same mission as WSSU or D2 schools.

JSU is still building a solid program. IMO, there is no point in playing top FCS teams if our goal is the Celebration Bowl. JSU is an underfunded HBCU in the poorest state in the union so playing PWIs (IMO), whether it be on the road or at home, does not serve us well, financially. I don't have a problem scheduling a ranked PWI for Homecoming because our attendance will be fine but playing NDSU just to say we played/beat them is asinine! We don't care about white validation...wanna know why? Because we already have the #1 recruiting class, the #1 fanbase and are ranked in the Top 5 WITHOUT scheduling PWIs.

Let Jackson State continue to reinvent what it means to be successful. Let us continue to chase the bag. We are showing Black America what can happen when you invest in/support your own. JSU doesn't need PWIs to be relevant, competitive or for validation; they need us.

You said all that to say you're not competitive on your level. A bunch of excuses. ALL sports is about winning on your level. If ya'll are okay with beating weaker schools I'm good with that.But you can't be our God doing that.You can't ask for the hearts and minds of the HBCU world being cowards. FAMU want to take on that challenge. I'm loving them for wanting to step up. For not making excuses. For not being afraid.

We played and dominated Campbell. They played and struggled with Albany State.

Don't get me wrong, I love what ya'll are doing at Jackson. I just wanted ya'll to kick some PWS arssss.

The SWAC philosophy is, "If it doesn't make money, it doesn't make sense."  We leave the chasing the rabbit around the track to MEAC, CIAA and SIAC.  When the dog catches the rabbit at the dog track, who gets the money, the dog or the owner?

Why did you drag the MEAC into that scenario? Our champion plays the SWAC champ in the Celebration Bowl! 

I asked the same thing. 

[Que82]

……………………………………………………………………….,

Not sure about Div 2, but there is only ONE HBCU FCS school which has a DOCUMENTED history of winning playoff games. And that’s the school located on the highest of seven hills in Tallahassee.

So if THIS is the criterion which weighs most heavily with the selection committee, the Rattlers should be in almost every year…………:::RIGHT???

…………I thought it might be helpful to the UNBIASED observer of this thread if I reposted what I stated earlier. Beyond all of the MINDLESS DRIVEL which too often drives the discussion on this board, FAMU’s playoff history should have been accorded some deference in the playoffs selection process.

But, hey, FAMU getting screwed? Well, that’s perfectly fine for the school most love to hate on this board.

Anyway, I’ve said enough and, quite frankly, am sounding redundant.

So, FAMU is out of the playoffs, Jackson State “conveniently” hides behind SCG and Celebration Bowl to AVOID being tested by some of the “traditional” FCS powers, and it appears that’s just fine by folks who opine on this board.

You are right about Jackson State. They are hiding from the big boys. Deion keep making excuses while beating up on SWAC schools with less talent and resources. I love what he is doing for HBCUs, but he needs to show the world what he has or stop talking and taking bows. If he wants to be our God, then do some "God like" things like beating good schools on his level.

Coach Prime also stated we HBCUs consistently get beat in the trenches (OL) and wants to have depth at that position before we schedule those teams so we can actually beat them. Yall schedule these PWIs just to schedule them with no real game plan or depth.

In the last 10 years WSSU has played and beaten more national powers than any school in HBCU history. In fact, both HBCU DII conferences play national powers on yearly bases, and win.

Everything you just said is what schools say when they can't compete or in hiding. You are ranked in the top ten and have some of the best talent in the nation. What else do you need? Deion is wanting guaranteed wins so he only plays schools he knows he can beat. He averages 43,000 fans a game and the best facilities and coaches but yet he's scared. Maybe he doesn't want to be out coached. But even Steve Wonder can see he's hiding. Playing schools with 2,000 students with facilities worse than most Texas high schools... not God like.

We've been worshiping ya'll, so now do something. Play God.

WSSU had that success in 2012 under Maynor and I applaud you all. We do not have the same mission as WSSU or D2 schools.

JSU is still building a solid program. IMO, there is no point in playing top FCS teams if our goal is the Celebration Bowl. JSU is an underfunded HBCU in the poorest state in the union so playing PWIs (IMO), whether it be on the road or at home, does not serve us well, financially. I don't have a problem scheduling a ranked PWI for Homecoming because our attendance will be fine but playing NDSU just to say we played/beat them is asinine! We don't care about white validation...wanna know why? Because we already have the #1 recruiting class, the #1 fanbase and are ranked in the Top 5 WITHOUT scheduling PWIs.

Let Jackson State continue to reinvent what it means to be successful. Let us continue to chase the bag. We are showing Black America what can happen when you invest in/support your own. JSU doesn't need PWIs to be relevant, competitive or for validation; they need us.

You said all that to say you're not competitive on your level. A bunch of excuses. ALL sports is about winning on your level. If ya'll are okay with beating weaker schools I'm good with that.But you can't be our God doing that.You can't ask for the hearts and minds of the HBCU world being cowards. FAMU want to take on that challenge. I'm loving them for wanting to step up. For not making excuses. For not being afraid.

We played and dominated Campbell. They played and struggled with Albany State.

Don't get me wrong, I love what ya'll are doing at Jackson. I just wanted ya'll to kick some PWS arssss.

The SWAC philosophy is, "If it doesn't make money, it doesn't make sense."  We leave the chasing the rabbit around the track to MEAC, CIAA and SIAC.  When the dog catches the rabbit at the dog track, who gets the money, the dog or the owner?

Why did you drag the MEAC into that scenario? Our champion plays the SWAC champ in the Celebration Bowl! 

I said that because even though your champ participates in the CB most of you still opine about being in the playoffs.  I think that is a fair assessment.

[Ram55]

……………………………………………………………………….,

Not sure about Div 2, but there is only ONE HBCU FCS school which has a DOCUMENTED history of winning playoff games. And that’s the school located on the highest of seven hills in Tallahassee.

So if THIS is the criterion which weighs most heavily with the selection committee, the Rattlers should be in almost every year…………:::RIGHT???

…………I thought it might be helpful to the UNBIASED observer of this thread if I reposted what I stated earlier. Beyond all of the MINDLESS DRIVEL which too often drives the discussion on this board, FAMU’s playoff history should have been accorded some deference in the playoffs selection process.

But, hey, FAMU getting screwed? Well, that’s perfectly fine for the school most love to hate on this board.

Anyway, I’ve said enough and, quite frankly, am sounding redundant.

So, FAMU is out of the playoffs, Jackson State “conveniently” hides behind SCG and Celebration Bowl to AVOID being tested by some of the “traditional” FCS powers, and it appears that’s just fine by folks who opine on this board.

You are right about Jackson State. They are hiding from the big boys. Deion keep making excuses while beating up on SWAC schools with less talent and resources. I love what he is doing for HBCUs, but he needs to show the world what he has or stop talking and taking bows. If he wants to be our God, then do some "God like" things like beating good schools on his level.

Coach Prime also stated we HBCUs consistently get beat in the trenches (OL) and wants to have depth at that position before we schedule those teams so we can actually beat them. Yall schedule these PWIs just to schedule them with no real game plan or depth.

In the last 10 years WSSU has played and beaten more national powers than any school in HBCU history. In fact, both HBCU DII conferences play national powers on yearly bases, and win.

Everything you just said is what schools say when they can't compete or in hiding. You are ranked in the top ten and have some of the best talent in the nation. What else do you need? Deion is wanting guaranteed wins so he only plays schools he knows he can beat. He averages 43,000 fans a game and the best facilities and coaches but yet he's scared. Maybe he doesn't want to be out coached. But even Steve Wonder can see he's hiding. Playing schools with 2,000 students with facilities worse than most Texas high schools... not God like.

We've been worshiping ya'll, so now do something. Play God.

WSSU had that success in 2012 under Maynor and I applaud you all. We do not have the same mission as WSSU or D2 schools.

JSU is still building a solid program. IMO, there is no point in playing top FCS teams if our goal is the Celebration Bowl. JSU is an underfunded HBCU in the poorest state in the union so playing PWIs (IMO), whether it be on the road or at home, does not serve us well, financially. I don't have a problem scheduling a ranked PWI for Homecoming because our attendance will be fine but playing NDSU just to say we played/beat them is asinine! We don't care about white validation...wanna know why? Because we already have the #1 recruiting class, the #1 fanbase and are ranked in the Top 5 WITHOUT scheduling PWIs.

Let Jackson State continue to reinvent what it means to be successful. Let us continue to chase the bag. We are showing Black America what can happen when you invest in/support your own. JSU doesn't need PWIs to be relevant, competitive or for validation; they need us.

You said all that to say you're not competitive on your level. A bunch of excuses. ALL sports is about winning on your level. If ya'll are okay with beating weaker schools I'm good with that.But you can't be our God doing that.You can't ask for the hearts and minds of the HBCU world being cowards. FAMU want to take on that challenge. I'm loving them for wanting to step up. For not making excuses. For not being afraid.

We played and dominated Campbell. They played and struggled with Albany State.

Don't get me wrong, I love what ya'll are doing at Jackson. I just wanted ya'll to kick some PWS arssss.

The SWAC philosophy is, "If it doesn't make money, it doesn't make sense."  We leave the chasing the rabbit around the track to MEAC, CIAA and SIAC.  When the dog catches the rabbit at the dog track, who gets the money, the dog or the owner?

I never said anything about playoff games. I clearly was talking about playing the best teams in your division during regular season. About being afraid of the big boys in your division but quick to play the SIAC. And only about Deion. So I'm not understanding your response.

[Oldschoolram]

Wile^^^I’ve got an even more SALIENT question. Of what interest is ANY of this to NCCU? 

If NCCU were not in the Celebration Bowl, we would have received an invite to the playoffs as an at-large.  Yes we played a D2 school and a non-NCAA school.  But we also went 3-1 against OOC FCS schools to include a conference champion and a playoff contender. 

As far as my credentials. . I vote in the AGS poll.  I follow FCS football all year and have been following for over a decade. 

Here were my predictions for playoff selections:

My shot at it:

AQ-11: SDSU, Sacramento State, St Francis, Gardner-Webb, Holy Cross, Samford, EKU, Southeastern Louisiana, Davidson, Southeast Missouri St., William & Mary,

At-large: Montana State, North Dakota State, University of Incarnate Word, Weber State, Furman, New Hampshire, Richmond, Elon, UC-Davis, North Dakota, Tennessee-Martin, Fordham, Mercer

Last Four In: Mercer, North Dakota, Tennessee Martin, UC-Davis
First Four Out: Idaho, Delaware, Chattanooga, Montana
Next Four: Austin Peay, Florida A&M, Youngstown St, Rhode Island


UC-Davis @ North Dakota to #1 Sacramento State
Mercer @ Southeastern Louisiana to #8 Incarnate Word
Southeast Missouri @ UT-Martin to #4 North Dakota State
Davidson @ Elon to #5 Samford

Gardner Webb @ Furman to #2 South Dakota State
Saint Francis @ Richmond to #7 William and Mary
Eastern Kentucky @ Weber State to #3 Montana State
New Hampshire @Fordham to #6 Holy Cross

I correctly predicted 10 of the 13 at-larges, but in my next four out; you see the three at-larges that I missed.  My next four out has three of the four teams that the committee claimed were in their first four out. 

Back to your original question; perhaps this doesn't concern NCCU.  But I'm speaking for myself and no one else.  Finally, the persecution complex is tiring. . . which is why I posted.  There is no grand conspiracy against FAMU.

I wish FAMU would have scheduled another FCS as opposed to D2 Albany State.

KnuckDogg......others agree with you, including, I'm sure, some Rattlers.  But I respectfully disagree about not scheduling Albany State.  Perhaps its nostalgia or something, but back in the 70's when I was an undergrad at FAMU, Albany State was routinely on the Rattlers schedule.  Drive time between Tallahassee and Albany, Ga, is only about a couple of hours or so, and the games, as I recall, were fairly competitive.

Look, in all candor, I'm not even sure if FAMU has stated a DEFINITIVE position about whether it wants to participate in the FCS playoffs.  I don't think this particular squad would have performed well, but I also think it is disingenuous to suggest that our scheduling a historic rival like Albany State cost us participation.  The Rattlers performance in the second game of the season was horrible and inexplicable, and if there is one contest that bumped us, THAT would be the culprit not 'bany State.

But FAMU is the ONLY FCS negro college that has participated in the playoffs before and actually WON games.  All of this bullschitt about being "contractually obligated" to play in conference and black college championship games is offered to provide a convenient excuse to avoid playing the top PWC's in the FCS division.

If you sced say you sced. 

A&T has won playoff games.

So has FAMU.

Wile E, I don't know....................your losses were to losing teams, with SC State being unusually bad this season.  It kinda mitigates the New Hampshire win.

[Que82]

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Not sure about Div 2, but there is only ONE HBCU FCS school which has a DOCUMENTED history of winning playoff games. And that’s the school located on the highest of seven hills in Tallahassee.

So if THIS is the criterion which weighs most heavily with the selection committee, the Rattlers should be in almost every year…………:::RIGHT???

…………I thought it might be helpful to the UNBIASED observer of this thread if I reposted what I stated earlier. Beyond all of the MINDLESS DRIVEL which too often drives the discussion on this board, FAMU’s playoff history should have been accorded some deference in the playoffs selection process.

But, hey, FAMU getting screwed? Well, that’s perfectly fine for the school most love to hate on this board.

Anyway, I’ve said enough and, quite frankly, am sounding redundant.

So, FAMU is out of the playoffs, Jackson State “conveniently” hides behind SCG and Celebration Bowl to AVOID being tested by some of the “traditional” FCS powers, and it appears that’s just fine by folks who opine on this board.

You are right about Jackson State. They are hiding from the big boys. Deion keep making excuses while beating up on SWAC schools with less talent and resources. I love what he is doing for HBCUs, but he needs to show the world what he has or stop talking and taking bows. If he wants to be our God, then do some "God like" things like beating good schools on his level.

Coach Prime also stated we HBCUs consistently get beat in the trenches (OL) and wants to have depth at that position before we schedule those teams so we can actually beat them. Yall schedule these PWIs just to schedule them with no real game plan or depth.

In the last 10 years WSSU has played and beaten more national powers than any school in HBCU history. In fact, both HBCU DII conferences play national powers on yearly bases, and win.

Everything you just said is what schools say when they can't compete or in hiding. You are ranked in the top ten and have some of the best talent in the nation. What else do you need? Deion is wanting guaranteed wins so he only plays schools he knows he can beat. He averages 43,000 fans a game and the best facilities and coaches but yet he's scared. Maybe he doesn't want to be out coached. But even Steve Wonder can see he's hiding. Playing schools with 2,000 students with facilities worse than most Texas high schools... not God like.

We've been worshiping ya'll, so now do something. Play God.

WSSU had that success in 2012 under Maynor and I applaud you all. We do not have the same mission as WSSU or D2 schools.

JSU is still building a solid program. IMO, there is no point in playing top FCS teams if our goal is the Celebration Bowl. JSU is an underfunded HBCU in the poorest state in the union so playing PWIs (IMO), whether it be on the road or at home, does not serve us well, financially. I don't have a problem scheduling a ranked PWI for Homecoming because our attendance will be fine but playing NDSU just to say we played/beat them is asinine! We don't care about white validation...wanna know why? Because we already have the #1 recruiting class, the #1 fanbase and are ranked in the Top 5 WITHOUT scheduling PWIs.

Let Jackson State continue to reinvent what it means to be successful. Let us continue to chase the bag. We are showing Black America what can happen when you invest in/support your own. JSU doesn't need PWIs to be relevant, competitive or for validation; they need us.

You said all that to say you're not competitive on your level. A bunch of excuses. ALL sports is about winning on your level. If ya'll are okay with beating weaker schools I'm good with that.But you can't be our God doing that.You can't ask for the hearts and minds of the HBCU world being cowards. FAMU want to take on that challenge. I'm loving them for wanting to step up. For not making excuses. For not being afraid.

We played and dominated Campbell. They played and struggled with Albany State.

Don't get me wrong, I love what ya'll are doing at Jackson. I just wanted ya'll to kick some PWS arssss.

The SWAC philosophy is, "If it doesn't make money, it doesn't make sense."  We leave the chasing the rabbit around the track to MEAC, CIAA and SIAC.  When the dog catches the rabbit at the dog track, who gets the money, the dog or the owner?

I never said anything about playoff games. I clearly was talking about playing the best teams in your division during regular season. About being afraid of the big boys in your division but quick to play the SIAC. And only about Deion. So I'm not understanding your response.

Clearly so I'll explain.  You talked about playing teams in FCS like North Dakota, etc.  Most of our teams make more money playing DII HBCUs than North Dakota.  Playing teams like that is only important if you have FCS playoff aspirations.  Teams in the SWAC, except FAMU it seems, and possibly BCU, could really care less about the playoffs at this point.  We usually schedule games that make money and get us to the CB.  Cause if it doesn't make money, it doesn't make sense.  Hope that cleared it up for you.

[Ram55]

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Not sure about Div 2, but there is only ONE HBCU FCS school which has a DOCUMENTED history of winning playoff games. And that’s the school located on the highest of seven hills in Tallahassee.

So if THIS is the criterion which weighs most heavily with the selection committee, the Rattlers should be in almost every year…………:::RIGHT???

…………I thought it might be helpful to the UNBIASED observer of this thread if I reposted what I stated earlier. Beyond all of the MINDLESS DRIVEL which too often drives the discussion on this board, FAMU’s playoff history should have been accorded some deference in the playoffs selection process.

But, hey, FAMU getting screwed? Well, that’s perfectly fine for the school most love to hate on this board.

Anyway, I’ve said enough and, quite frankly, am sounding redundant.

So, FAMU is out of the playoffs, Jackson State “conveniently” hides behind SCG and Celebration Bowl to AVOID being tested by some of the “traditional” FCS powers, and it appears that’s just fine by folks who opine on this board.

You are right about Jackson State. They are hiding from the big boys. Deion keep making excuses while beating up on SWAC schools with less talent and resources. I love what he is doing for HBCUs, but he needs to show the world what he has or stop talking and taking bows. If he wants to be our God, then do some "God like" things like beating good schools on his level.

Coach Prime also stated we HBCUs consistently get beat in the trenches (OL) and wants to have depth at that position before we schedule those teams so we can actually beat them. Yall schedule these PWIs just to schedule them with no real game plan or depth.

In the last 10 years WSSU has played and beaten more national powers than any school in HBCU history. In fact, both HBCU DII conferences play national powers on yearly bases, and win.

Everything you just said is what schools say when they can't compete or in hiding. You are ranked in the top ten and have some of the best talent in the nation. What else do you need? Deion is wanting guaranteed wins so he only plays schools he knows he can beat. He averages 43,000 fans a game and the best facilities and coaches but yet he's scared. Maybe he doesn't want to be out coached. But even Steve Wonder can see he's hiding. Playing schools with 2,000 students with facilities worse than most Texas high schools... not God like.

We've been worshiping ya'll, so now do something. Play God.

WSSU had that success in 2012 under Maynor and I applaud you all. We do not have the same mission as WSSU or D2 schools.

JSU is still building a solid program. IMO, there is no point in playing top FCS teams if our goal is the Celebration Bowl. JSU is an underfunded HBCU in the poorest state in the union so playing PWIs (IMO), whether it be on the road or at home, does not serve us well, financially. I don't have a problem scheduling a ranked PWI for Homecoming because our attendance will be fine but playing NDSU just to say we played/beat them is asinine! We don't care about white validation...wanna know why? Because we already have the #1 recruiting class, the #1 fanbase and are ranked in the Top 5 WITHOUT scheduling PWIs.

Let Jackson State continue to reinvent what it means to be successful. Let us continue to chase the bag. We are showing Black America what can happen when you invest in/support your own. JSU doesn't need PWIs to be relevant, competitive or for validation; they need us.

You said all that to say you're not competitive on your level. A bunch of excuses. ALL sports is about winning on your level. If ya'll are okay with beating weaker schools I'm good with that.But you can't be our God doing that.You can't ask for the hearts and minds of the HBCU world being cowards. FAMU want to take on that challenge. I'm loving them for wanting to step up. For not making excuses. For not being afraid.

We played and dominated Campbell. They played and struggled with Albany State.

Don't get me wrong, I love what ya'll are doing at Jackson. I just wanted ya'll to kick some PWS arssss.

The SWAC philosophy is, "If it doesn't make money, it doesn't make sense."  We leave the chasing the rabbit around the track to MEAC, CIAA and SIAC.  When the dog catches the rabbit at the dog track, who gets the money, the dog or the owner?

I never said anything about playoff games. I clearly was talking about playing the best teams in your division during regular season. About being afraid of the big boys in your division but quick to play the SIAC. And only about Deion. So I'm not understanding your response.

Clearly so I'll explain.  You talked about playing teams in FCS like North Dakota, etc.  Most of our teams make more money playing DII HBCUs than North Dakota.  Playing teams like that is only important if you have FCS playoff aspirations.  Teams in the SWAC, except FAMU it seems, and possibly BCU, could really care less about the playoffs at this point.  We usually schedule games that make money and get us to the CB.  Cause if it doesn't make money, it doesn't make sense.  Hope that cleared it up for you.

It does ... thanks!

[WileECoyote06]

Wile^^^I’ve got an even more SALIENT question. Of what interest is ANY of this to NCCU? 

If NCCU were not in the Celebration Bowl, we would have received an invite to the playoffs as an at-large.  Yes we played a D2 school and a non-NCAA school.  But we also went 3-1 against OOC FCS schools to include a conference champion and a playoff contender. 

As far as my credentials. . I vote in the AGS poll.  I follow FCS football all year and have been following for over a decade. 

Here were my predictions for playoff selections:

My shot at it:

AQ-11: SDSU, Sacramento State, St Francis, Gardner-Webb, Holy Cross, Samford, EKU, Southeastern Louisiana, Davidson, Southeast Missouri St., William & Mary,

At-large: Montana State, North Dakota State, University of Incarnate Word, Weber State, Furman, New Hampshire, Richmond, Elon, UC-Davis, North Dakota, Tennessee-Martin, Fordham, Mercer

Last Four In: Mercer, North Dakota, Tennessee Martin, UC-Davis
First Four Out: Idaho, Delaware, Chattanooga, Montana
Next Four: Austin Peay, Florida A&M, Youngstown St, Rhode Island


UC-Davis @ North Dakota to #1 Sacramento State
Mercer @ Southeastern Louisiana to #8 Incarnate Word
Southeast Missouri @ UT-Martin to #4 North Dakota State
Davidson @ Elon to #5 Samford

Gardner Webb @ Furman to #2 South Dakota State
Saint Francis @ Richmond to #7 William and Mary
Eastern Kentucky @ Weber State to #3 Montana State
New Hampshire @Fordham to #6 Holy Cross

I correctly predicted 10 of the 13 at-larges, but in my next four out; you see the three at-larges that I missed.  My next four out has three of the four teams that the committee claimed were in their first four out. 

Back to your original question; perhaps this doesn't concern NCCU.  But I'm speaking for myself and no one else.  Finally, the persecution complex is tiring. . . which is why I posted.  There is no grand conspiracy against FAMU.

I wish FAMU would have scheduled another FCS as opposed to D2 Albany State.

KnuckDogg......others agree with you, including, I'm sure, some Rattlers.  But I respectfully disagree about not scheduling Albany State.  Perhaps its nostalgia or something, but back in the 70's when I was an undergrad at FAMU, Albany State was routinely on the Rattlers schedule.  Drive time between Tallahassee and Albany, Ga, is only about a couple of hours or so, and the games, as I recall, were fairly competitive.

Look, in all candor, I'm not even sure if FAMU has stated a DEFINITIVE position about whether it wants to participate in the FCS playoffs.  I don't think this particular squad would have performed well, but I also think it is disingenuous to suggest that our scheduling a historic rival like Albany State cost us participation.  The Rattlers performance in the second game of the season was horrible and inexplicable, and if there is one contest that bumped us, THAT would be the culprit not 'bany State.

But FAMU is the ONLY FCS negro college that has participated in the playoffs before and actually WON games.  All of this bullschitt about being "contractually obligated" to play in conference and black college championship games is offered to provide a convenient excuse to avoid playing the top PWC's in the FCS division.

If you sced say you sced. 

A&T has won playoff games.

So has FAMU.

Wile E, I don't know....................your losses were to losing teams, with SC State being unusually bad this season.  It kinda mitigates the New Hampshire win.

I don't agree.  If we finished second in the MEAC, then SCSU would have been undefeated in conference or had only one loss.  If SCSU has one loss, we're co-champions with a win over New Hampshire.  If they were undefeated, then a two-point road loss to the conference champion isn't going to hurt us much.  Especially considering we already had a double digit win over a team that defeated SCSU.

That Campbell loss is much more damaging as they didn't finish with a winning record.  But it was also a road loss. 

Granted, with the MEAC having no one on the committee, we might not have had anyone to argue on our behalf.