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Emma Colton
Mon, November 29, 2021, 10:24 AM·4 min read
A pro-defund the police elected official running for governor in New York has sparked outrage after it was revealed he travels New York City with an NYPD detail and lives on a military base that provides around-the-clock security.

"Obviously, it’s very hypocritical," Joseph Rolland, a 53-year-old Bay Ridge resident, told the New York Post of Jumaane Williams.

Williams lives on the Fort Hamilton U.S. Army Garrison in Brooklyn, the New York Post reported, and is provided an NYPD security detail due to his position for the city. The garrison requires anyone attempting entry to submit a background check and go through security checkpoints.

Williams was one of the leading voices on defunding the NYPD last year and took issue with the city's agreement to cut $1 billion from the funds as insufficient.
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you guys don't know what defund the police means. They should have used the term reform policing instead of defund.  The theory is we have piled so much on the police that it creates issues. Police should have to handle mental cases, so we need to remove some of the funding to a department to handle mental cases.

The issue is in his case the police are doing what they should be doing.
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Abolish police is a better slogan than defund.

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Abolish police is a better slogan than defund.

I'm going to need you to explain the rationale for that and what happens in its place.

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Abolish police is a better slogan than defund.

I'm going to need you to explain the rationale for that and what happens in its place.

Police spend the majority of the time NOT involved in preventing or investigating serious or violent crimes.

Taxpayers invest billions in reforming and investing in policing only for the institution to continually complain about how crime is up (though its been relatively declining for about 30 years) while also, as we’ve seen, commit violence against the public, lie on police reports, commit human rights violations and most recently refuse to protect the community by getting vaccinated or wearing masks during a global health crisis.

Abolishing police would be replaced with alternative forms of order such as community care networks and justice structures rooted in restoration rather than punishment.

We should redirect the billions that now go to police departments toward providing health care, housing, education and good paying jobs. If we did this, there would be less need for the police in the first place.

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Abolishing police would be replaced with alternative forms of order such as community care networks and justice structures rooted in restoration rather than punishment.

Is there any industrialized  nation on earth that employs this model to control crime?

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you guys don't know what defund the police means. They should have used the term reform policing instead of defund.  The theory is we have piled so much on the police that it creates issues. Police should have to handle mental cases, so we need to remove some of the funding to a department to handle mental cases.

The issue is in his case the police are doing what they should be doing.

Wrong. 
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you guys don't know what defund the police means. They should have used the term reform policing instead of defund.  The theory is we have piled so much on the police that it creates issues. Police should have to handle mental cases, so we need to remove some of the funding to a department to handle mental cases.

The issue is in his case the police are doing what they should be doing.

Wrong.

Prove it. :popcorn:
« Last Edit: November 30, 2021, 10:14:38 AM by soflorattler »

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you guys don't know what defund the police means. They should have used the term reform policing instead of defund.  The theory is we have piled so much on the police that it creates issues. Police should have to handle mental cases, so we need to remove some of the funding to a department to handle mental cases.

The issue is in his case the police are doing what they should be doing.

Wrong.

Tell us why what Cats4ever says is wrong or tell us what is right y04185. Please feel free to elaborate.

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Abolish police is a better slogan than defund.

I'm going to need you to explain the rationale for that and what happens in its place.

Police spend the majority of the time NOT involved in preventing or investigating serious or violent crimes.

Taxpayers invest billions in reforming and investing in policing only for the institution to continually complain about how crime is up (though its been relatively declining for about 30 years) while also, as we’ve seen, commit violence against the public, lie on police reports, commit human rights violations and most recently refuse to protect the community by getting vaccinated or wearing masks during a global health crisis.

Abolishing police would be replaced with alternative forms of order such as community care networks and justice structures rooted in restoration rather than punishment.

We should redirect the billions that now go to police departments toward providing health care, housing, education and good paying jobs. If we did this, there would be less need for the police in the first place.

Some of your points are valid. We have militarized our police forces and as a country, we are far too reactionary and treat symptoms rather than root cause. One of the biggest things we can do to reduce future crime is to invest in children educationally and social emotionally through high quality early childhood education. There is years of research on the benefits of early childhood. I did my dissertation on it. John Heckman has been researching the benefits since the 70s.

Invest in Early Childhood Development: Reduce Deficits, Strengthen the Economy

https://heckmanequation.org/resource/invest-in-early-childhood-development-reduce-deficits-strengthen-the-economy/

-We need to fight for equity in school funding as it relates to black and brown children.
-We need to invest in urban communities before the are gentrified.
-We need to address the trauma associated with growing up in many of our urban communities. Many of those kids we see committing crimes are victims themselves.
-Even if we do all that, we will still have some crime and a reason to have police. I think it is short sighted to think we do not. It is a losing political argument. 

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Abolish police is a better slogan than defund.

I'm going to need you to explain the rationale for that and what happens in its place.

Police spend the majority of the time NOT involved in preventing or investigating serious or violent crimes.

Taxpayers invest billions in reforming and investing in policing only for the institution to continually complain about how crime is up (though its been relatively declining for about 30 years) while also, as we’ve seen, commit violence against the public, lie on police reports, commit human rights violations and most recently refuse to protect the community by getting vaccinated or wearing masks during a global health crisis.

Abolishing police would be replaced with alternative forms of order such as community care networks and justice structures rooted in restoration rather than punishment.

We should redirect the billions that now go to police departments toward providing health care, housing, education and good paying jobs. If we did this, there would be less need for the police in the first place.

You just summed up some of the key points of defund the police. This why reform  the police sounds much better. We let the police do what they do best——- fight crime..  The majority of Americans would support those ideas, you have to summed up in a slogan that the GOP can’t attack.  :read: 

The GOP will tell voters that you want to take away the police and let crime run a mock . Most people aren’t going to do their own research. Now reform policing means people will have to listen to you.  :tiptoe:
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you guys don't know what defund the police means. They should have used the term reform policing instead of defund.  The theory is we have piled so much on the police that it creates issues. Police should have to handle mental cases, so we need to remove some of the funding to a department to handle mental cases.

The issue is in his case the police are doing what they should be doing.

Wrong.

Tell us why what Cats4ever says is wrong or tell us what is right y04185. Please feel free to elaborate.

The article says it all.  He gets police protection.  Ordinary citizens don't get that.  He lives in a military grade gated community.  He's not practicing what he preaches.
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you guys don't know what defund the police means. They should have used the term reform policing instead of defund.  The theory is we have piled so much on the police that it creates issues. Police should have to handle mental cases, so we need to remove some of the funding to a department to handle mental cases.

The issue is in his case the police are doing what they should be doing.

Wrong.

Tell us why what Cats4ever says is wrong or tell us what is right y04185. Please feel free to elaborate.

The article says it all.  He gets police protection.  Ordinary citizens don't get that.  He lives in a military grade gated community.  He's not practicing what he preaches.

That doesn't address the point Cats4ever was making or the issue he was raising.  :shrug: :no:

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you guys don't know what defund the police means. They should have used the term reform policing instead of defund.  The theory is we have piled so much on the police that it creates issues. Police should have to handle mental cases, so we need to remove some of the funding to a department to handle mental cases.

The issue is in his case the police are doing what they should be doing.

Wrong.

Tell us why what Cats4ever says is wrong or tell us what is right y04185. Please feel free to elaborate.

The article says it all.  He gets police protection.  Ordinary citizens don't get that.  He lives in a military grade gated community.  He's not practicing what he preaches.
That is the problem. You don’t understand what is meant by the theory. The police is doing what they were trained to do. Now, if he had them could get a cat out of a tree, I would support your position.
Your treatment of others give them control of your soul
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