Wildman, I think I'm just old school as hell. I'm from a generation where you never let someone hear you pass gas. You don't get up from a room filled with people and announce that you are going to take a big dump. There are somethings we all do, but we are supposed to act like we have never done it in our lives. Some folk don't have a problem taking a dump and walking out without flushing. I'm of the mindset that no living person should ever see your turd. I remember doing a stool test some years ago. The most humiliating thing about that was walking in with your sample in tow and handing it to a tech. God I would hate having a job testing stool samples. Most days would be ok, but on others, digging out a grain of corm from someone's sample would cause me to throw up.