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Author Topic: Why is killing an unborn child thru abortion is legal? Shooting one is not .  (Read 266 times)

Offline y04185

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Please explain in detail.
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First, we should clarify what the law is regarding abortions.

On Jan 22, 1973, the Supreme Court, in a 7-2 decision, struck down the Texas law banning abortion, effectively legalizing the procedure nationwide. In a majority opinion written by Justice Harry Blackmun, the court declared that a woman’s right to an abortion was implicit in the right to privacy protected by the 14th Amendment.

The court divided pregnancy into three trimesters, and declared that the choice to end a pregnancy in the first trimester was solely up to the woman. In the second trimester, the government could regulate abortion, although not ban it, in order to protect the mother’s health.

In the third trimester, the state could prohibit abortion to protect a fetus that could survive on its own outside the womb, except when a woman’s health was in danger.

https://www.history.com/topics/womens-rights/roe-v-wade

Broadly stated, the law and American society have concluded that a woman has a lawful right to determine whether she wishes to birth a child. This right is connected to the right of a woman to control her own body.  The person who shoots a child that as already been born has no comparable right.

Of course, the woman's right to control her own body is in conflict with the right of the unborn child to live and the state's interest in protecting the right of the unborn child to live. Accordingly, the Supreme Court attempted to strike a balance in Roe v. Wade. As can be observed in the ongoing debate on abortion, some folks believe the Supreme Court got it wrong.
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Please explain in detail.

Explain in detail why it is now illegal for local and state municipalities and even health authorities to mandate or encourage the public to wear masks during a global pandemic even though the U.S. leads the world in infections and deaths, but it is legal for people to own guns without needing training or a permit even though the U.S. leads the world in deaths by guns?
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Please explain in detail.

Explain in detail why it is now illegal for local and state municipalities and even health authorities to mandate or encourage the public to wear masks during a global pandemic even though the U.S. leads the world in infections and deaths, but it is legal for people to own guns without needing training or a permit even though the U.S. leads the world in deaths by guns?


This is a BETTER question because y04 could have looked up the legal writings on the matter.  But because he is a gun lover he's not interested in something that could potentially take his manhood away.

For the record I'm not against the 2nd Amendment.  However management of guns in this country is nonexistent and selective. If white folk weren't so paranoid about any and every non white person walking the streets perhaps better laws would be in place and enforced.
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Please explain in detail.

Explain in detail why it is now illegal for local and state municipalities and even health authorities to mandate or encourage the public to wear masks during a global pandemic even though the U.S. leads the world in infections and deaths, but it is legal for people to own guns without needing training or a permit even though the U.S. leads the world in deaths by guns?

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Please explain in detail.

Explain in detail why it is now illegal for local and state municipalities and even health authorities to mandate or encourage the public to wear masks during a global pandemic even though the U.S. leads the world in infections and deaths, but it is legal for people to own guns without needing training or a permit even though the U.S. leads the world in deaths by guns?

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Too coward to answer, huh?
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y04185, my post was not off-topic. You care to comment on my response to your question. 

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y04185, my post was not off-topic. You care to comment on my response to your question.

https://abc11.com/fayetteville-man-charged-in-death-of-pregnant-woman-unborn-child/10705399/

Why is this man charged with two murders? 
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The law permits a woman to terminate a pregnancy because she has an interest in her own health, and a privacy interest. The state has an interest in protecting the life of the mother and the unborn child. The man who shot the woman and caused the death of the unborn child has no similar interests that society deems worthy of protecting. Therefore, he is charged with two murders.


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That makes no sense.  Are you saying every woman who gets an abortion is doing so because of her health?  The state is speaking with forked tongue if they have an interest in protecting the life of an unborn child and allow abortions.  Then charge someone with double murder. 
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That makes no sense.  Are you saying every woman who gets an abortion is doing so because of her health?  The state is speaking with forked tongue if they have an interest in protecting the life of an unborn child and allow abortions.  Then charge someone with double murder.

The Supreme Court has ruled that the state has  no interest in the unborn child in the first trimester. In the Second Trimester the state can regulate abortion to protect the health of the mother.  The state has an interest in the life of unborn child in the third trimester. However, it does not outweigh the woman's health  concerns. 

Again, this the law: The court divided pregnancy into three trimesters, and declared that the choice to end a pregnancy in the first trimester was solely up to the woman. In the second trimester, the government could regulate abortion, although not ban it, in order to protect the mother’s health. In the third trimester, the state could prohibit abortion to protect a fetus that could survive on its own outside the womb, except when a woman’s health was in danger.

You asked why the man is charged with two murders. The man has no interest that the society is willing to recognize with respect to ending the unborn child's life. That is why he's charged with two murders.

I am not saying that every woman who gets an abortion does so for their health. In the first two trimesters, it is the woman's right to privacy and the right to decide what happens with her own body that is the interest recognized by the state.

If the woman decided to have an abortion  in the third trimester, the state could prosecute her and the doctor if the state determined that the abortion was not to protect the mother's health.


You appear to want the state's interest in the unborn child to outweigh the women's interest in her health and privacy in all instances. However, most people don't agree with that point of view and the law reflects that reality.


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I don't believe in abortions, but I believe that a woman should have the right to choose. 
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I don't believe in abortions, but I believe that a woman should have the right to choose.

This is an insane statement on your birthday sir.

This is like saying:

"I don't believe in slavery, but I believe a state should have the rights to choose what it is done in their state in regards to slavery"


It was the southern cause fence sitting.


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This is an insane statement on your birthday sir.

This is like saying:

"I don't believe in slavery, but I believe a state should have the rights to choose what it is done in their state in regards to slavery"


It was the southern cause fence sitting.

I do not think that is a good analogy Neymar.

I think a better analogy would be I am oppose to interracial marriage but I would not want it to be illegal.

or

I am against using marijuana but I think marijuana should be legal

Comparing anything to slavery is generally a bad idea.
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I don't believe in abortions, but I believe that a woman should have the right to choose. 

I know of four cases of posters that I would have supported and probably funded if possible.



 

 

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