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I wonder if some would still say that VSU contemplating D1 is not a good idea if they were looking at the OVC or the Big South instead of the MEAC.

It's pretty much VSU posters and other CIAA loyalist who are skeptical. Easy to understand their concerns when you consider that three of the last four D2 hbcu's to make the jump to D1 couldn't sustain operating at that level.

I’ve seen more than VSU fans and CIAA loyalists chime in on how VSU shouldn’t consider the MEAC between multiple forums. You already know what the answer would be if VSU said BS or OVC instead of MEAC.

Understandable to be cautious of the other schools who tried and didn’t succeed but that doesn’t mean a school should base the decisions of their future solely only the failures of another institution. Ultimately VSU will be fine either way but to say an entity shouldn’t consider growing because a completely different institution didn’t have success is how you get stuck.

Your statements gives the impression that the only "grown" schools play DI sports. Moving up doesn't signal growth, but simply a change in how you want to approach sports. Go tell the Ivy League that their schools are less grown than the SEC.

Nope, but transitioning to D1 you are growing or have the potential to grow in many ways. Growing budgets, staffing, services, etc. potential to grow your brand by playing in different conferences, and classics. Potential to grow your enrollment, new sponsorships and donors. Can this happen while being D2 yes it can, but being apart of a school that has done and seen it happen it’s accelerated. If you have any success early on? Maaaaan lol

OK. All good points. However, simply moving to a more expensive neighborhood with the same furniture is not growth, but simply a move. Your richer neighbors might give you some of their hand-me-downs, but never enough to truly like them.

Honestly, it can be growth if you have leadership with a vision that can leverage it. That’s something I don’t think schools like SSU had when they transitioned. VSU has nice furniture as currently constructed, nicer than some in D1 already. This is true especially in their revenue sports. If you’re going into it thinking of hand me downs you’re doomed from the start regardless of division.
The first mistake the SSU administration made was to join the wrong conference as it related to their travel expenses imo. I could be wrong and someone can educate me on that.  If they have access to better knowledge of the situation

I think you are correct about travel expenses.  But I believe that applied across the board for the entire MEAC conference, which is why you are seeing the exodus.  I believe many school admin's tried to convince the MEAC to relax the travel and move to a truly North/South Division and the MEAC was reluctant. 

But it was more than that for SSU.  SSU had the lowest student athletic fee in the MEAC at $300 per semester and the Georgia Board of Regents felt that was too high.  There were some MEAC schools where student Athletic fees was well over $1k a semester for students.  In addition, SSU suffered from a horrible brain drain in leadership across the board which resulted in inadequate to no planning and vision for the institution's future.   

SSU is finally stabilizing again with decent leadership in the newly appointed President who has served as interim for 2 years.  KUDOS to the new President who is doing a fine job thus far.

the success or failure to "persevere" at the d1 level for hbcu's really boils down to each institution's "leadership" more than anything else.  i'm really tired of folk using "travel costs" as an excuse to struggle at that level.

a&t has been a member of the meac "uninterrupted" for the last "50 years"!  if "travel costs" were the main issue for a&t leaving, then why did it take "50 years" to do so?  a&t could've easily stayed in the ciaa 50 years ago or anytime thereafter if that were the case.  same for all of the other "original" members of the meac as well.

this thing is all about "leadership" from the top.  the only difference between "27 game losing streak" a&t, versus the "3 time" consecutive bcf national champion a&t, is "LEADERSHIP" from the top...

Everybody knows it was never truly about travel costs with A&T. I especially agree with your statement about individual institutional leadership.

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From earlier in the thread

Division I membership, especially among the HBCU community, generally indicates transformative vision from leadership.  Not only are there increases in athletic funding, but it often includes better branding, better caliber students, more diverse degree offerings, a more diverse student body, more graduate level programs, and other factors.  These things tend to go hand-in-hand.  Universities looking to position themselves for the next thirty years should examine all options.

Also, A&T looks like a DI HBCU because they have been a DI HBCU for forty years.   :shrug:

I believe that D1 membership will result in a windfall of enrollment for VSU.  Possibly up to 1000 or more students in the next five years.  Sidebar: The majority of VSU's institutional peers are DI members (including two current MEAC members), so a push to join DI may also be connected to aligning with their peers.

Hasn't Norfolk State lost thousands of students in their enrollment numbers since moving up in the 90s?

I think the state would do everything they could to prevent VSU from seeing that type of growth that quickly.  If that type of growth started to happen I have a feeling efforts would be made to funnel those kids interested in VSU to schools like Christopher Newport and Longwood.

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I wonder if some would still say that VSU contemplating D1 is not a good idea if they were looking at the OVC or the Big South instead of the MEAC.

It's pretty much VSU posters and other CIAA loyalist who are skeptical. Easy to understand their concerns when you consider that three of the last four D2 hbcu's to make the jump to D1 couldn't sustain operating at that level.

I’ve seen more than VSU fans and CIAA loyalists chime in on how VSU shouldn’t consider the MEAC between multiple forums. You already know what the answer would be if VSU said BS or OVC instead of MEAC.

Understandable to be cautious of the other schools who tried and didn’t succeed but that doesn’t mean a school should base the decisions of their future solely only the failures of another institution. Ultimately VSU will be fine either way but to say an entity shouldn’t consider growing because a completely different institution didn’t have success is how you get stuck.

Your statements gives the impression that the only "grown" schools play DI sports. Moving up doesn't signal growth, but simply a change in how you want to approach sports. Go tell the Ivy League that their schools are less grown than the SEC.

Nope, but transitioning to D1 you are growing or have the potential to grow in many ways. Growing budgets, staffing, services, etc. potential to grow your brand by playing in different conferences, and classics. Potential to grow your enrollment, new sponsorships and donors. Can this happen while being D2 yes it can, but being apart of a school that has done and seen it happen it’s accelerated. If you have any success early on? Maaaaan lol

OK. All good points. However, simply moving to a more expensive neighborhood with the same furniture is not growth, but simply a move. Your richer neighbors might give you some of their hand-me-downs, but never enough to truly like them.

Honestly, it can be growth if you have leadership with a vision that can leverage it. That’s something I don’t think schools like SSU had when they transitioned. VSU has nice furniture as currently constructed, nicer than some in D1 already. This is true especially in their revenue sports. If you’re going into it thinking of hand me downs you’re doomed from the start regardless of division.
The first mistake the SSU administration made was to join the wrong conference as it related to their travel expenses imo. I could be wrong and someone can educate me on that.  If they have access to better knowledge of the situation

I think you are correct about travel expenses.  But I believe that applied across the board for the entire MEAC conference, which is why you are seeing the exodus.  I believe many school admin's tried to convince the MEAC to relax the travel and move to a truly North/South Division and the MEAC was reluctant. 

But it was more than that for SSU.  SSU had the lowest student athletic fee in the MEAC at $300 per semester and the Georgia Board of Regents felt that was too high.  There were some MEAC schools where student Athletic fees was well over $1k a semester for students.  In addition, SSU suffered from a horrible brain drain in leadership across the board which resulted in inadequate to no planning and vision for the institution's future.   

SSU is finally stabilizing again with decent leadership in the newly appointed President who has served as interim for 2 years.  KUDOS to the new President who is doing a fine job thus far.
Yeah I've had many conversations with a few meac posters about their high student fees. That's another area that would have been a plus for you guys had your administration applied for membership to the SWAC.

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I wonder if some would still say that VSU contemplating D1 is not a good idea if they were looking at the OVC or the Big South instead of the MEAC.

It's pretty much VSU posters and other CIAA loyalist who are skeptical. Easy to understand their concerns when you consider that three of the last four D2 hbcu's to make the jump to D1 couldn't sustain operating at that level.

I’ve seen more than VSU fans and CIAA loyalists chime in on how VSU shouldn’t consider the MEAC between multiple forums. You already know what the answer would be if VSU said BS or OVC instead of MEAC.

Understandable to be cautious of the other schools who tried and didn’t succeed but that doesn’t mean a school should base the decisions of their future solely only the failures of another institution. Ultimately VSU will be fine either way but to say an entity shouldn’t consider growing because a completely different institution didn’t have success is how you get stuck.

Your statements gives the impression that the only "grown" schools play DI sports. Moving up doesn't signal growth, but simply a change in how you want to approach sports. Go tell the Ivy League that their schools are less grown than the SEC.

Nope, but transitioning to D1 you are growing or have the potential to grow in many ways. Growing budgets, staffing, services, etc. potential to grow your brand by playing in different conferences, and classics. Potential to grow your enrollment, new sponsorships and donors. Can this happen while being D2 yes it can, but being apart of a school that has done and seen it happen it’s accelerated. If you have any success early on? Maaaaan lol

OK. All good points. However, simply moving to a more expensive neighborhood with the same furniture is not growth, but simply a move. Your richer neighbors might give you some of their hand-me-downs, but never enough to truly like them.

Honestly, it can be growth if you have leadership with a vision that can leverage it. That’s something I don’t think schools like SSU had when they transitioned. VSU has nice furniture as currently constructed, nicer than some in D1 already. This is true especially in their revenue sports. If you’re going into it thinking of hand me downs you’re doomed from the start regardless of division.
The first mistake the SSU administration made was to join the wrong conference as it related to their travel expenses imo. I could be wrong and someone can educate me on that.  If they have access to better knowledge of the situation

I think you are correct about travel expenses.  But I believe that applied across the board for the entire MEAC conference, which is why you are seeing the exodus.  I believe many school admin's tried to convince the MEAC to relax the travel and move to a truly North/South Division and the MEAC was reluctant. 

But it was more than that for SSU.  SSU had the lowest student athletic fee in the MEAC at $300 per semester and the Georgia Board of Regents felt that was too high.  There were some MEAC schools where student Athletic fees was well over $1k a semester for students.  In addition, SSU suffered from a horrible brain drain in leadership across the board which resulted in inadequate to no planning and vision for the institution's future.   

SSU is finally stabilizing again with decent leadership in the newly appointed President who has served as interim for 2 years.  KUDOS to the new President who is doing a fine job thus far.

the success or failure to "persevere" at the d1 level for hbcu's really boils down to each institution's "leadership" more than anything else.  i'm really tired of folk using "travel costs" as an excuse to struggle at that level.

a&t has been a member of the meac "uninterrupted" for the last "50 years"!  if "travel costs" were the main issue for a&t leaving, then why did it take "50 years" to do so?  a&t could've easily stayed in the ciaa 50 years ago or anytime thereafter if that were the case.  same for all of the other "original" members of the meac as well.

this thing is all about "leadership" from the top.  the only difference between "27 game losing streak" a&t, versus the "3 time" consecutive bcf national champion a&t, is "LEADERSHIP" from the top...

Everybody knows it was never truly about travel costs with A&T. I especially agree with your statement about individual institutional leadership.

Focusing on us again? Tell everyone....why is nccu weighing their conference affiliation options? Seems like a recommendation is supposed to be made at your upcoming board meeting  in June. What do you expect to be the outcome?
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I wonder if some would still say that VSU contemplating D1 is not a good idea if they were looking at the OVC or the Big South instead of the MEAC.

It's pretty much VSU posters and other CIAA loyalist who are skeptical. Easy to understand their concerns when you consider that three of the last four D2 hbcu's to make the jump to D1 couldn't sustain operating at that level.

I’ve seen more than VSU fans and CIAA loyalists chime in on how VSU shouldn’t consider the MEAC between multiple forums. You already know what the answer would be if VSU said BS or OVC instead of MEAC.

Understandable to be cautious of the other schools who tried and didn’t succeed but that doesn’t mean a school should base the decisions of their future solely only the failures of another institution. Ultimately VSU will be fine either way but to say an entity shouldn’t consider growing because a completely different institution didn’t have success is how you get stuck.

Your statements gives the impression that the only "grown" schools play DI sports. Moving up doesn't signal growth, but simply a change in how you want to approach sports. Go tell the Ivy League that their schools are less grown than the SEC.

Nope, but transitioning to D1 you are growing or have the potential to grow in many ways. Growing budgets, staffing, services, etc. potential to grow your brand by playing in different conferences, and classics. Potential to grow your enrollment, new sponsorships and donors. Can this happen while being D2 yes it can, but being apart of a school that has done and seen it happen it’s accelerated. If you have any success early on? Maaaaan lol

OK. All good points. However, simply moving to a more expensive neighborhood with the same furniture is not growth, but simply a move. Your richer neighbors might give you some of their hand-me-downs, but never enough to truly like them.

Honestly, it can be growth if you have leadership with a vision that can leverage it. That’s something I don’t think schools like SSU had when they transitioned. VSU has nice furniture as currently constructed, nicer than some in D1 already. This is true especially in their revenue sports. If you’re going into it thinking of hand me downs you’re doomed from the start regardless of division.
The first mistake the SSU administration made was to join the wrong conference as it related to their travel expenses imo. I could be wrong and someone can educate me on that.  If they have access to better knowledge of the situation

I think you are correct about travel expenses.  But I believe that applied across the board for the entire MEAC conference, which is why you are seeing the exodus.  I believe many school admin's tried to convince the MEAC to relax the travel and move to a truly North/South Division and the MEAC was reluctant. 

But it was more than that for SSU.  SSU had the lowest student athletic fee in the MEAC at $300 per semester and the Georgia Board of Regents felt that was too high.  There were some MEAC schools where student Athletic fees was well over $1k a semester for students.  In addition, SSU suffered from a horrible brain drain in leadership across the board which resulted in inadequate to no planning and vision for the institution's future.   

SSU is finally stabilizing again with decent leadership in the newly appointed President who has served as interim for 2 years.  KUDOS to the new President who is doing a fine job thus far.

the success or failure to "persevere" at the d1 level for hbcu's really boils down to each institution's "leadership" more than anything else.  i'm really tired of folk using "travel costs" as an excuse to struggle at that level.

a&t has been a member of the meac "uninterrupted" for the last "50 years"!  if "travel costs" were the main issue for a&t leaving, then why did it take "50 years" to do so?  a&t could've easily stayed in the ciaa 50 years ago or anytime thereafter if that were the case.  same for all of the other "original" members of the meac as well.

this thing is all about "leadership" from the top.  the only difference between "27 game losing streak" a&t, versus the "3 time" consecutive bcf national champion a&t, is "LEADERSHIP" from the top...

Everybody knows it was never truly about travel costs with A&T. I especially agree with your statement about individual institutional leadership.

Focusing on us again? Tell everyone....why is nccu weighing their conference affiliation options? Seems like a recommendation is supposed to be made at your upcoming board meeting  in June. What do you expect to be the outcome?
Unless their administration is dumb af. It will be to stay the hell put after this new contract

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From earlier in the thread

Division I membership, especially among the HBCU community, generally indicates transformative vision from leadership.  Not only are there increases in athletic funding, but it often includes better branding, better caliber students, more diverse degree offerings, a more diverse student body, more graduate level programs, and other factors.  These things tend to go hand-in-hand.  Universities looking to position themselves for the next thirty years should examine all options.

Also, A&T looks like a DI HBCU because they have been a DI HBCU for forty years.   :shrug:

I believe that D1 membership will result in a windfall of enrollment for VSU.  Possibly up to 1000 or more students in the next five years.  Sidebar: The majority of VSU's institutional peers are DI members (including two current MEAC members), so a push to join DI may also be connected to aligning with their peers.

Hasn't Norfolk State lost thousands of students in their enrollment numbers since moving up in the 90s?

I think the state would do everything they could to prevent VSU from seeing that type of growth that quickly.  If that type of growth started to happen I have a feeling efforts would be made to funnel those kids interested in VSU to schools like Christopher Newport and Longwood.

Yes, Norfolk State lost a good number of students. This happened when we went from "Open Enrollment" to the status we're at now, and in my humble opinion, I think NSU was better for it.
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The big elephant in the room is that the state of North Carolina, unfortunately, has taken better care of its public HBCUs than every other state below the Mason Dixon.  It is evident in enrollment, campuses, facilities, academic programs and leadership.

Conversely, I do feel the state has, traditionally, appointed certain presidents at certain schools to maintain "a balance" among the overall  success of the 5 campuses. I have yet to see an NC HBCU with the level of consistent, quality leadership as A&T and I feel it has been done by design. To be honest, A&T, NCCU, and FSU should all be above 10,000 students by now, given their locations and history but I feel the state of NC, like many other Southern states, have stifled their ability to grow and cherry-picks 1 HBCU to stand out, instead of allowing them all to reach their maximum potentials.
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The big elephant in the room is that the state of North Carolina, unfortunately, has taken better care of its public HBCUs than every other state below the Mason Dixon.  It is evident in enrollment, campuses, facilities, academic programs and leadership.

Conversely, I do feel the state has, traditionally, appointed certain presidents at certain schools to maintain "a balance" among the overall  success of the 5 campuses. I have yet to see an NC HBCU with the level of consistent, quality leadership as A&T and I feel it has been done by design. To be honest, A&T, NCCU, and FSU should all be above 10,000 students by now, given their locations and history but I feel the state of NC, like many other Southern states, have stifled their ability to grow and cherry-picks 1 HBCU to stand out, instead of allowing them all to reach their maximum potentials.

I've felt this way for a while too.  And good for mentioning FSU.  I think folks are sleeping on the Broncos.  They're sitting on a gold mine, and should be at least equal to Pembroke, if not even more prominent in the Sandhills region.

In addition, they just poached our Assoc. VC for Enrollment Management to serve as Provost.  FSU is on a forward tragectory.
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The big elephant in the room is that the state of North Carolina, unfortunately, has taken better care of its public HBCUs than every other state below the Mason Dixon.  It is evident in enrollment, campuses, facilities, academic programs and leadership.
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The big elephant in the room is that the state of North Carolina, unfortunately, has taken better care of its public HBCUs than every other state below the Mason Dixon.  It is evident in enrollment, campuses, facilities, academic programs and leadership.



Tell you what, they're doing SOMETHING RIGHT in North Carolina. All of those hbcu's and
A&T's enrollment is over 10K.  NCCU is close to being 10K.  Fayetteville State is close to 6K.  I think WSSU is around 5K....what about ECSU, I don't know what theirs is.

Then add in the private HBCU's usual enrollment for D2 private hbcu's.  NC probably has the most students enrolled in hbcu's than any other state.

SOMETHING RIGHT is going on over there.

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From earlier in the thread

Division I membership, especially among the HBCU community, generally indicates transformative vision from leadership.  Not only are there increases in athletic funding, but it often includes better branding, better caliber students, more diverse degree offerings, a more diverse student body, more graduate level programs, and other factors.  These things tend to go hand-in-hand.  Universities looking to position themselves for the next thirty years should examine all options.

Also, A&T looks like a DI HBCU because they have been a DI HBCU for forty years.   :shrug:

I believe that D1 membership will result in a windfall of enrollment for VSU.  Possibly up to 1000 or more students in the next five years.  Sidebar: The majority of VSU's institutional peers are DI members (including two current MEAC members), so a push to join DI may also be connected to aligning with their peers.

Hasn't Norfolk State lost thousands of students in their enrollment numbers since moving up in the 90s?

I think the state would do everything they could to prevent VSU from seeing that type of growth that quickly.  If that type of growth started to happen I have a feeling efforts would be made to funnel those kids interested in VSU to schools like Christopher Newport and Longwood.

Yes, Norfolk State lost a good number of students. This happened when we went from "Open Enrollment" to the status we're at now, and in my humble opinion, I think NSU was better for it.

Thanks for that info, that makes sense.

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The big elephant in the room is that the state of North Carolina, unfortunately, has taken better care of its public HBCUs than every other state below the Mason Dixon.  It is evident in enrollment, campuses, facilities, academic programs and leadership.



Tell you what, they're doing SOMETHING RIGHT in North Carolina. All of those hbcu's and
A&T's enrollment is over 10K.  NCCU is close to being 10K.  Fayetteville State is close to 6K.  I think WSSU is around 5K....what about ECSU, I don't know what theirs is.

Then add in the private HBCU's usual enrollment for D2 private hbcu's.  NC probably has the most students enrolled in hbcu's than any other state.

SOMETHING RIGHT is going on over there.

ECSU's enrollment had dropped over the years, but they are seeing an increase now that they have the NC Promise tuition.  That gives them a strong chance at competing for all of those students in the VA tidewater area.

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I wonder if some would still say that VSU contemplating D1 is not a good idea if they were looking at the OVC or the Big South instead of the MEAC.

It's pretty much VSU posters and other CIAA loyalist who are skeptical. Easy to understand their concerns when you consider that three of the last four D2 hbcu's to make the jump to D1 couldn't sustain operating at that level.

I’ve seen more than VSU fans and CIAA loyalists chime in on how VSU shouldn’t consider the MEAC between multiple forums. You already know what the answer would be if VSU said BS or OVC instead of MEAC.

Understandable to be cautious of the other schools who tried and didn’t succeed but that doesn’t mean a school should base the decisions of their future solely only the failures of another institution. Ultimately VSU will be fine either way but to say an entity shouldn’t consider growing because a completely different institution didn’t have success is how you get stuck.

Your statements gives the impression that the only "grown" schools play DI sports. Moving up doesn't signal growth, but simply a change in how you want to approach sports. Go tell the Ivy League that their schools are less grown than the SEC.

Nope, but transitioning to D1 you are growing or have the potential to grow in many ways. Growing budgets, staffing, services, etc. potential to grow your brand by playing in different conferences, and classics. Potential to grow your enrollment, new sponsorships and donors. Can this happen while being D2 yes it can, but being apart of a school that has done and seen it happen it’s accelerated. If you have any success early on? Maaaaan lol

OK. All good points. However, simply moving to a more expensive neighborhood with the same furniture is not growth, but simply a move. Your richer neighbors might give you some of their hand-me-downs, but never enough to truly like them.

Honestly, it can be growth if you have leadership with a vision that can leverage it. That’s something I don’t think schools like SSU had when they transitioned. VSU has nice furniture as currently constructed, nicer than some in D1 already. This is true especially in their revenue sports. If you’re going into it thinking of hand me downs you’re doomed from the start regardless of division.
The first mistake the SSU administration made was to join the wrong conference as it related to their travel expenses imo. I could be wrong and someone can educate me on that.  If they have access to better knowledge of the situation

I think you are correct about travel expenses.  But I believe that applied across the board for the entire MEAC conference, which is why you are seeing the exodus.  I believe many school admin's tried to convince the MEAC to relax the travel and move to a truly North/South Division and the MEAC was reluctant. 

But it was more than that for SSU.  SSU had the lowest student athletic fee in the MEAC at $300 per semester and the Georgia Board of Regents felt that was too high.  There were some MEAC schools where student Athletic fees was well over $1k a semester for students.  In addition, SSU suffered from a horrible brain drain in leadership across the board which resulted in inadequate to no planning and vision for the institution's future.   

SSU is finally stabilizing again with decent leadership in the newly appointed President who has served as interim for 2 years.  KUDOS to the new President who is doing a fine job thus far.

the success or failure to "persevere" at the d1 level for hbcu's really boils down to each institution's "leadership" more than anything else.  i'm really tired of folk using "travel costs" as an excuse to struggle at that level.

a&t has been a member of the meac "uninterrupted" for the last "50 years"!  if "travel costs" were the main issue for a&t leaving, then why did it take "50 years" to do so?  a&t could've easily stayed in the ciaa 50 years ago or anytime thereafter if that were the case.  same for all of the other "original" members of the meac as well.

this thing is all about "leadership" from the top.  the only difference between "27 game losing streak" a&t, versus the "3 time" consecutive bcf national champion a&t, is "LEADERSHIP" from the top...

Everybody knows it was never truly about travel costs with A&T. I especially agree with your statement about individual institutional leadership.

Focusing on us again? Tell everyone....why is nccu weighing their conference affiliation options? Seems like a recommendation is supposed to be made at your upcoming board meeting  in June. What do you expect to be the outcome?

Not focusing on a&t again at all, simply agreeing with what ONE OF YOUR OWN stated. I fully expect NCCU to be a member of the MEAC for the foreseeable future.

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The big elephant in the room is that the state of North Carolina, unfortunately, has taken better care of its public HBCUs than every other state below the Mason Dixon.  It is evident in enrollment, campuses, facilities, academic programs and leadership.



Tell you what, they're doing SOMETHING RIGHT in North Carolina. All of those hbcu's and
A&T's enrollment is over 10K.  NCCU is close to being 10K.  Fayetteville State is close to 6K.  I think WSSU is around 5K....what about ECSU, I don't know what theirs is.

Then add in the private HBCU's usual enrollment for D2 private hbcu's.  NC probably has the most students enrolled in hbcu's than any other state.

SOMETHING RIGHT is going on over there.
NC decided decades ago to invest in education.  The fact that they have so many state supported HBCU's speaks volumes about their way of thinking.
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The big elephant in the room is that the state of North Carolina, unfortunately, has taken better care of its public HBCUs than every other state below the Mason Dixon.  It is evident in enrollment, campuses, facilities, academic programs and leadership.

Conversely, I do feel the state has, traditionally, appointed certain presidents at certain schools to maintain "a balance" among the overall  success of the 5 campuses. I have yet to see an NC HBCU with the level of consistent, quality leadership as A&T and I feel it has been done by design. To be honest, A&T, NCCU, and FSU should all be above 10,000 students by now, given their locations and history but I feel the state of NC, like many other Southern states, have stifled their ability to grow and cherry-picks 1 HBCU to stand out, instead of allowing them all to reach their maximum potentials.

Damnnnnnn, that is what I have been saying for years. It cost the State a lot more money to fund DI schools than DII schools. Larger enrollments require more State funding in both tuition, staff and facilities. There is know doubt that our last president was sent to WSSU to shut down our move to DI. Again, being DI is far deeper than the skin of sports. In a state that wants to close as many HBCUs as they can, there is know way they want any more DI HBCUs. Sponsors also don't want any more DI schools to support. Sometimes I think we forget what country we live in.

 

 

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