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"Checking out "Exterminate All the Brutes"
« on: May 04, 2021, 05:11:51 PM »
I've watched two (of the 4) episodes of the HBO mini-series by Raoul Peck.

https://www.democracynow.org/2021/5/4/documentary_series_exterminate_all_the_brutes?utm_source=Democracy+Now%21&utm_campaign=115b36c3af-Daily_Digest_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_fa2346a853-115b36c3af-190207349

Overall, it is excellent.
Highly original in its approach.
Blends re-enactments, animations and more with original sources.

The drawback for me is that it is DEFINITELY not for beginners. I think some will find it difficult to distinguish between fact and parody.

Anyone else watching?

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Re: "Checking out "Exterminate All the Brutes"
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2021, 06:31:10 PM »
I watched all of it.  It was EXCELLENT and disturbing. 

It makes it difficult to trust white folk actually.  I know all white folk aren’t murderous thugs, but frankly the percentage of truly genuine whites in my opinion is small.
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Re: "Checking out "Exterminate All the Brutes"
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2021, 12:52:10 PM »
I watched all of it.  It was EXCELLENT and disturbing. 

It makes it difficult to trust white folk actually.  I know all white folk aren’t murderous thugs, but frankly the percentage of truly genuine whites in my opinion is small.

There is good historical antecedent for your caution.  White so-called supremacy is a HELLUVA drug!!!!!

I have often cited 'RELUCTANT REFORMERS' by Robert and Pamela Allen (now out of print) published by Howard University Press in the 1970s.

The history of white allies of Black folks is NOT encouraging.  So, below are some of what I have shared with my friends and 'discussants' online in recent years.  I have excerpted from different messages, so there may be a bit of overlap. 

I lean heavily on the DETAILED historical analysis in this book published decades ago by Howard University Press, and which is on my bookshelf.



1) In "Reluctant Reformers," Robert and Pamela Allen tell the histories of a series of white - sometimes mixed - groups. Populists, Farmers groups, Republicans, Labor groups, Socialists, etc., which betrayed their Black "allies" when confronted with the "greener grass" of white so-called supremacist appeals and coalition (with other whites) options.
 
Racism/white so-called supremacy is more than skin deep, y'all.
John Henrik Clarke, the Master Teacher, told us, "You have no friends!"
We need to absorb that lesson IMO, and act accordingly.
 
And, YES, I still said that during the wonderful, powerful, mixed and sometimes predominantly-white protests against police killings in the wake of the murder of Mr. George Floyd.

"History doesn't quite repeat, but it rhymes." (quoted from memory)

2) I had read a bit of this book many years ago. More recently, as part of my research for our historical novel, I pulled it off my shelf and gave it a closer reading.   

The Allens' central premise is that racism is at THE CORE of American politics, including Reform Movements like Women's Suffrage, Populism, Socialist and Labor which CLAIMED to be for ALL and, to varying degrees, were focused on building alliances with African/Black people - only to backstab our People in favor of currying favor with The Establishment, as we called it in the '60's - '70's. 

Based upon the evidence they themselves offer,... I disagree with their assertion of backstabbing (or abandonment) of Blacks in the case of the Suffrage movement. 

Seemed to me that the African/Black leadership, including Fred Douglass, backstabbed them FIRST.  It was only then that white women returned the favor, IMHO.

2b)
How the Suffrage Movement - about to be celebrated for its anniversary - betrayed Black women:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/28/opinion/sunday/suffrage-movement-racism-black-women.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region

Robert and Pamela Allen's book, RELUCTANT REFORMERS, details some of the history.
 
You can read a little bit of a review here:  https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1308448.Reluctant_Reformers
It is chilling that there is not a single example of a reform or social movement that resisted racism and stood by Black folks, in the US of A,...........is there?

3) The Allens barely mention the betrayal of Blacks by the Republican Party after the Civil War.  Their focus was on social movements, not political parties, but still I find it curious.

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Re: "Checking out "Exterminate All the Brutes"
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2021, 01:20:20 PM »
I need to put this on my list of things to watch over the Summer...
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Re: "Checking out "Exterminate All the Brutes"
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2021, 03:32:00 PM »
Bison4Life hasn't posted in awhile, but I think he posted a sci/fy work written by a Black man that was on HBO, but can be found on Youtube. The title escapes me, but the premise was aliens came to earth and promised to solve all the ills of the country, but all Black people had to leave the country...no exceptions.  It caused much concern because no one knew how white folk were going to vote.

Where is B4L so he can tell confirm if he knows the title of this. I never finished watching it...but I got a good idea how it ended.
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Re: "Checking out "Exterminate All the Brutes"
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2021, 06:34:30 PM »
Bison4Life hasn't posted in awhile, but I think he posted a sci/fy work written by a Black man that was on HBO, but can be found on Youtube. The title escapes me, but the premise was aliens came to earth and promised to solve all the ills of the country, but all Black people had to leave the country...no exceptions.  It caused much concern because no one knew how white folk were going to vote.

Where is B4L so he can tell confirm if he knows the title of this. I never finished watching it...but I got a good idea how it ended.

I recall that....

Let me see if I can remember the title...

I saw a small part of it OR the trailer, perhaps.


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Re: "Checking out "Exterminate All the Brutes"
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2021, 07:47:03 PM »
Google and IMDB.com are our friends...

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109487/



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Re: "Checking out "Exterminate All the Brutes"
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2021, 09:56:04 PM »
^^^^^^

That's it. I'll make some time to watch this.

You're the BEST.  :nod:
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