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Re: I’ve been telling y’all Roy Williams is a fraud
« Reply #30 on: January 14, 2020, 03:18:46 PM »
North Carolina in basketball is still North Carolina the storied program suffering through what appears to be a down year.  This has happened before and they came  back with a bang as all the ACC powerhouse perennially ranked teams.  Simply, you don't win that number of games AS A FRAUD?     :no: :no:   He can coach and has proven that fact time after time.  This may not be a typical Carolina year, but the ACC will be typical.

He is a fraud and got you tricked too. He has won a ton of games with superior talent. What you are now seeing is exactly how great of a coach he is. A great coach will coach up the talent that he or she has. They won’t throw them under the bus like Roy has and is doing this year. I said a few years ago dude was a fraud and overrated. Most can win when you went 10 deep on the roster with McDonalds All Americans. UNC ain’t getting them recruits like they used to.
No coach can win with the injuries UNC had this year. 8 players missed games this season. Hell, they played Clemson with no point guard in the last game because they were all injured. He never coached an NBA All-Star at UNC yet! Coach K had way more talent than Roy but Coach K hasn't been to a final four since 2015 with all that elite talent. UNC never had 10 Mcdonald All Americans on the team at one time, so stop your hating bs! UNC got the #3 recruiting class coming next year. You need to stay in your lane because you are clueless!

They had as many as 8 McDonalds All Americans on a roster in 2011-2012, 2008-2009. Couple seasons with 7 & 6.

The past three seasons, there were two. Let that sink in....since I’m so clueless......any rational explanations for the drop off, Mr Genius?

He came off a natty with 6 in 2016-2017 and dropped off to two the next year.....

Dude your paper strawman is being destroyed.

And what’s this none sense about never coaching a nba all star....last I checked, he’s coaching NCAA D1, not NBA.

Dude, it’s clear to many that he’s slipping. He’s not the coach you think he is. The talent is down. The recruiting is down. Their offense is stagnant with very few perimeter shooters. The game has changed and Roy is still looking for a Raef LeFrentz or Tyler Hanesborough to show up and make him look great.
The scandal had a lot to do with recruiting in 2017 & 2018. Nassir was the last player to sign with the Heels in the 2018 class and that was before the NCAA decided on what to do with the Heels. 2018 & 2019 still were great recruiting classes. It's just that the Heels are so injury prone this year. You can't win with this many injuries on a team. Please tell me what coach won with this many injuries in D1 college basketball? Why Coach K can't make it to the final four with all that NBA talent on his team. Coach K had one of the best college players of all time on his team and he still couldn't make it to the final four. So, it's hard to win whether you have an elite talent or not! If recruiting was down, UNC wouldn't have the #3 recruiting class in the nation coming next year! Roy didn't have any Lafrentz or Hansbrough's type in 2017 and he still won the ship! No coach has more NCAA titles than Roy since he came to UNC in 2003.

UNC issues have nothing to do with the Scandal. Roy isn't able to keep his team together like he has in the past. He has been losing more kids to early entry into the draft and he wasn't prepared

A good coach would have been prepared.

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Re: I’ve been telling y’all Roy Williams is a fraud
« Reply #31 on: January 14, 2020, 05:18:27 PM »
Good recruits didn't come to UNC in 2017 because they thought the NCAA was going drop the hammer on UNC. 2017 was the last year of the scandal. If this team was healthy, they would still be ranked. Roy isn't the best coach in the world but he is a winner. He can't win with all these injuries. He wasn't prepared for this many injuries, hell, what coach is prepared for that?

You're right he wasn't prepared and instead of his usual "golly gee willikers" act he threw them under the bus and you keep running from that.

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Re: I’ve been telling y’all Roy Williams is a fraud
« Reply #32 on: January 14, 2020, 08:07:15 PM »
Not a Carolina nor Duke nor NCSU nor Wake fan.  BUT, if either aforementioned teams  make the  playoffs then they become a favorite and have my support.  I humbly disagree  with those saying ' he is not a great coach". The man has the number of wins and talent to continue such year in and year out despite what some may say.  Reaping the prosperity from those Carolina  fans  says he is that good.  They don't award mediocrity.
 

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Re: I’ve been telling y’all Roy Williams is a fraud
« Reply #33 on: January 14, 2020, 08:56:12 PM »
He’s not a fraud.  He’s a good coach.  Yes he’s had All Americans -hell he’s supposed to - it’s Carolina.   Blue blood programs get blue blood talent.  His program isn’t the only one to get them -it’s not like the other teams are getting his scraps - no they get elite athletes too.   Yet Roy has won multiple titles since being at Carolina. 

He would be a fraud if he had blue blood talent and consistently underachieved, and he has had constant success.   A fraud would be someone who constantly got put out in the first round every year.    In his coaching career this man has been to the final four 9 times and has won 3 championships since 2003 - that’s an average of about once every 5 years.  Do you know how hard that is to do?   Other teams with similar talent haven’t been able to do that.   

His win/loss/championship record is comparable to Coach K, so if Roy is a fraud so is Coach K, and I KNOW coach K isn’t a fraud.

It’s a down year nothing more nothing less.  He has a top recruiting class in 2020 and in the next year or two he will be back to competing.  So what if he doesn’t make the tournament this year - it happens. 

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Re: I’ve been telling y’all Roy Williams is a fraud
« Reply #34 on: January 14, 2020, 10:27:44 PM »
???

Why is it no one wants to defend Williams comments out of his mouth? Fraud or not he threw his team under the bus..... in public

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Re: I’ve been telling y’all Roy Williams is a fraud
« Reply #35 on: January 15, 2020, 06:48:51 AM »
???

Why is it no one wants to defend Williams comments out of his mouth? Fraud or not he threw his team under the bus..... in public

Why should anybody have to?   The premise of the post was about him being a fraud, not throwing his team under the bus.

What do you want people to say about it exactly?  Yeah, he said it? Ok.   He said what he said. Nobody’s trying to defend it.   Still doesn’t make him a fraud coach.   
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Re: I’ve been telling y’all Roy Williams is a fraud
« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2020, 08:07:48 AM »
VG et al -

The primary reason why he’s a fraud to me is his inability to coach up his athletes. Being at two of the top 5 programs historically has benefitted him immensely and yes, his record speaks for itself. But let’s keep it 100 here, he’s done less with more. That’s why I brought up the Mickey D’s All American star line. Dude isn’t recruiting and getting the premier players as most UNC fans are accustomed to. His teams, for the most part, have underperformed vs expectations the past few years. That last championship team had 5 Mickey D’s AA’s....this current roster.....2. Injuries or not, that’s not on par and should not be acceptable for a storied program as Carolina. This isn’t some second tier, mid majorish program that takes L’s like vitamins the first weekend in March.

I’m just saying, don’t be disappointed like the good folks in the Emerald City when the Wizard was revealed.


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Re: I’ve been telling y’all Roy Williams is a fraud
« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2020, 08:13:47 AM »
He’s had disappointing years for sure.   Truth be told he is feeling the effects of the one and done rule like a lot of them.  They have to find the balance between getting the All Americans and solid players who will stay for 4 years.  It is becoming increasingly difficult and the model will need tweaking.

They recruit two years out or something right?  He’s supposed to have the top class in 2020.  If he continues a downward trend then we shall see, but at this point to call him a fraud is a bit much considering he’s 3 years removed from a National Championship and 4 years and a buzzer beater removed from Having 4 titles instead of 3.
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Re: I’ve been telling y’all Roy Williams is a fraud
« Reply #38 on: January 15, 2020, 08:15:28 AM »
???

Why is it no one wants to defend Williams comments out of his mouth? Fraud or not he threw his team under the bus..... in public

Why should anybody have to?   The premise of the post was about him being a fraud, not throwing his team under the bus.

What do you want people to say about it exactly?  Yeah, he said it? Ok.   He said what he said. Nobody’s trying to defend it.   Still doesn’t make him a fraud coach.   

Well said. People are questioning the bonafides of a three-time national champion.  That's just stupid.  Basketball isn't football. . the talent level of elite b-ball players is ridiculous and you can't win at the highest level in the best league in the country without talent. 

Yall trying to turn Roy into a white Ron Prince. . .  :lmao:

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Re: I’ve been telling y’all Roy Williams is a fraud
« Reply #39 on: January 15, 2020, 08:22:06 AM »
Roy also regularly throws games infuriating the fan base.  It's not like he's going to be fired anytime soon, so I suppose he is just riding out the storm. 

Maybe he should be diagnosed with a back injury and stress, so he can have this year's record expunged from his career record.

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Re: I’ve been telling y’all Roy Williams is a fraud
« Reply #40 on: January 15, 2020, 08:34:11 AM »
???

Why is it no one wants to defend Williams comments out of his mouth? Fraud or not he threw his team under the bus..... in public

Why should anybody have to?   The premise of the post was about him being a fraud, not throwing his team under the bus.

What do you want people to say about it exactly?  Yeah, he said it? Ok.   He said what he said. Nobody’s trying to defend it.   Still doesn’t make him a fraud coach.   

Well said. People are questioning the bonafides of a three-time national champion.  That's just stupid.  Basketball isn't football. . the talent level of elite b-ball players is ridiculous and you can't win at the highest level in the best league in the country without talent. 

Yall trying to turn Roy into a white Ron Prince. . .  :lmao:

Using the above logic, you would also consider Steve Kerr as one of the greatest NBA coaches too, right?

Ol’ Roy is slipping and y’all to blind to see it. I’m a Tar Heel fan from way back. I’m talking the Four Corners days, pre Jordan Perkins & Worthy. I’m talking Phil Ford, Walter Davis, Mike O’Koren, Al Wood teams of the late 70’s.

Dude ain’t coaching His players up and that’s very evident.


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Re: I’ve been telling y’all Roy Williams is a fraud
« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2020, 10:35:21 AM »
VALLEY GIRL . you got it right.  You, like myself, don't have a dog in that fight.  Every game played in which a winning coach lands on the short end  of a score  isn't the benediction of his total work.  Is Dabo a failure because of a National Championship loss? IF one thinks such, Ridiculous!   Is the coach a FRAUD because of a loss?  RIDICULOUS !   Coaches are  suspect in my opinion when playing glorified HS teams stumping the college circuit without scholarships being pushed off as legitimate competition is not fraud but questionable in order to boost W-L count.   :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:  Keep on VALLEY GIRL, - you don't stand in tandem with anyone I've notice from your comments.    :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

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Re: I’ve been telling y’all Roy Williams is a fraud
« Reply #42 on: January 15, 2020, 10:39:15 AM »
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Dude ain’t coaching His players up and that’s very evident.

It doesn't take a lot of coaching to coach up a team of ALL Americans. Now, that he doesn't have any (injuries) he throws them under the bus. That indicative of a lack of coaching ability and looking for an excuse.


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Re: I’ve been telling y’all Roy Williams is a fraud
« Reply #43 on: January 15, 2020, 10:45:47 AM »
VG et al -

The primary reason why he’s a fraud to me is his inability to coach up his athletes. Being at two of the top 5 programs historically has benefitted him immensely and yes, his record speaks for itself. But let’s keep it 100 here, he’s done less with more. That’s why I brought up the Mickey D’s All American star line. Dude isn’t recruiting and getting the premier players as most UNC fans are accustomed to. His teams, for the most part, have underperformed vs expectations the past few years. That last championship team had 5 Mickey D’s AA’s....this current roster.....2. Injuries or not, that’s not on par and should not be acceptable for a storied program as Carolina. This isn’t some second tier, mid majorish program that takes L’s like vitamins the first weekend in March.

I’m just saying, don’t be disappointed like the good folks in the Emerald City when the Wizard was revealed.
If he did less with more, he wouldn't have 3 NCAA titles. No coach has more NCAA titles than him since 2003. As I said, the scandal has hurt his recruiting and that is why the 2017 class is so weak. He did great in 2018 & 2019 with his recruiting. Injuries are the reason why they are losing. If they weren't injured, they would still be rank right now. He got the #3 recruiting class coming next year, so how is his recruiting been down? He won the title three years ago. If he is a fraud, I guess every coach is a fraud! Coach K gets the best talent every year and he hasn't been to a final four since 2015. He is the fraud! Roy got one more NCAA title than Dean and Dean had way better players than Roy. If Roy is a fraud, I guess Dean was one, too. It would be something else if they didn't have any NCAA scandal and UNC didn't make past the first weekend for the whole decade. That isn't the case. Roy has done great with what he had to work with. Coaches would love to have his success.

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Re: I’ve been telling y’all Roy Williams is a fraud
« Reply #44 on: January 15, 2020, 11:03:32 AM »
Roy also regularly throws games infuriating the fan base.  It's not like he's going to be fired anytime soon, so I suppose he is just riding out the storm. 

He never threw a game. It's just that he doesn't adjust or change that sorry defense. I will admit that now! Dean had the same defense back in the day. They want their players to watch the paint instead of staying on their man. That is why the opposing teams shoot too many wide-open shots. He let the other teams go on a "10-0 run" and he doesn't call a timeout to stop the momentum. That is his biggest flaw and that is the reason why they lost to Wofford, GT, Pitt, and Clemson. If they want to make the NCAA tournament, he got to coach better and shorten the rotation. True be told, they would be rank if they didn't have so many injuries. Hell, they won three NCAA titles with his same coaching style!

 

 

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