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Re: why did slaves and free blacks fight for the confederate states of america
« Reply #150 on: February 12, 2019, 08:59:54 PM »
you guys need provide some proof. 

if what you claim is true why did blacks show up and were welcomed at confederate veterans reunions.

it must be hard to realize what you were taught and believed about the civil war was 100 percent wrong.

i don't think so Y.  you can believe what you want and i will do the same.  you know the Doobie Bros had a powerful message with their epic hit "what a fool believes"..... :lmao:

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'87, provide some proof.  back up what you believe.

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'87, you have no proof they would not be set free if the south had won.

I find it hilarious you conveniently 'forget' these transgressions by white folk in this country.

When has white America ever shown the ability to absorb empathy and compassion? Is there a single example in the quadruple-century-old history of white people in North America that demonstrates this theory works? Has it ever happened?

When the native Americans taught European settlers how to farm, fish and eat, the settlers turned around and stole the indigenous people’s land. Even when the first nation people huddled on reservations and signed peace treaties, America slaughtered them for raising their voices, insisting on their rights or even dancing.

America had to fight its bloodiest war with itself to end slavery. It needed federal troops to integrate, but only after terrorists bombed churches, busted heads and set buses on fire. And contrary to popular belief, the civil rights movement was not nonviolent. Black people were nonviolent. White people have simply managed to whitewash the black blood from the Edmund Pettus Bridge, the 16th Street Baptist Church, and Medgar Evers’ driveway.

In fact, Martin Luther King Jr. promoted fighting hate with love. He offered the exact same “courageous empathy” as Booker proposed and might have explained the need to eliminate racism more eloquently than any man who ever walked on the planet. And what happened when King “extended grace” to America, as Booker suggests?

A racist put a bullet in his face.
 
https://www.theroot.com/apparently-white-people-need-grace-and-empathy-from-bl-1832571677
 


Like you y04185, white folk in America could care less for non-whites in this country.  Also Google all the treaties the U.S. government broke with the Native Americans.
 How you can say there is no proof the slaves wouldn't be granted their freedom is simply ridiculous. The whiteman's history is complete with his treachery and lying.  You can't even be honest with us on Onnidan about your political leanings.
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Re: slaves and free blacks did NOT fight for the confederate states of america
« Reply #151 on: February 13, 2019, 10:55:00 AM »
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Re: why did slaves and free blacks fight for the confederate states of america
« Reply #152 on: February 21, 2019, 10:42:45 PM »
This short video gives a bit of the history of General Patrick Cleburne's proposal to arm and promise freedom to enslaved Africans/Blacks if they fought for the South.  It does not mention that he was labeled a traitor and, despite his outstanding generalship, never got another star while other less distinguished general officers did.  Cleburne was an immigrant and did not own slaves.

He was killed in the November 1864 Battle of Franklin (south of Nashville, Tennessee) and his body was laid out on the portico of the Carnton plantation house where my great grandmother Mariah was enslaved.

The late and much esteemed Hari Jones is featured with his low-keyed but powerful destruction of the myth of our Ancestors fighting in any significant way or number for the Confederacy.



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SoFlo!

People that defend confederate monuments under the guise of "history"-

Why don't we have Nat Turner busts, Grant elementary/middle/high schools and parks?

Why don't we have monuments to black slaves?

Why don't we have statues of Lincoln in every southern town?

Why aren't there southern counties named after union generals?

Where are the monuments to union soldiers?

Why were the majority of these monuments built during the Civil Rights era 1950s and 1960s?

The truth is this isn't "history" at all. It's "Confederate revisionist history".

The truth is it's a tribute to white supremacy.

Not one Confederate monument honors a person of color.

The truth is it the way southern whites lie to themselves about their heritage of treason, slavery and their philosophy that God made them superior to the black race.

They are wrong.

THIS was just excellent.

I came across it again looking for something else.

SoFlo's original work right here avoids the trap of buying into the premises of others without scrutiny or question. Just excellent!!!


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Re: why did slaves and free blacks fight for the confederate states of america
« Reply #154 on: August 15, 2019, 03:52:14 AM »
This article is not quite a revisionist effort re: The Lost Cause, but close enough for me to comment on the site.

BLACKS IN GRAY
https://morgansraiders.com/blacks-in-gray/#comment-73970

P.S. Most/many Confederate troops didn't wear gray.  They wore a color that caused them to be referred to (derisively?) as "Butternut."

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Re: Did slaves and free blacks fight for the confederate states of america? NO!
« Reply #155 on: September 17, 2019, 04:34:07 PM »
ANOTHER scholar debunks the myth that y04 tried to promote...

Searching for Black Confederates

The Civil War’s Most Persistent Myth


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Searching for Black Confederates investigates the claims that numerous African Americans willingly fought for the Confederacy. Investigating the Confederate Army at the time of the Civil War, Levin illustrates that such a claim would have surprised those actually present in the army. Moving forward, Levin recounts how this myth came to be, and its persistence into our own day.
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https://newbooksnetwork.com/kevin-m-levin-searching-for-black-confederates-the-civil-wars-most-persistent-myth-unc-press-2019/

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Re: why did slaves and free blacks fight for the confederate states of america
« Reply #156 on: September 17, 2019, 05:59:40 PM »
^^^^

This was featured in this past Sunday’s newspaper.  I thought about this Onnidan topic reading it.

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Re: why did slaves and free blacks fight for the confederate states of america
« Reply #157 on: September 17, 2019, 09:45:06 PM »
This article is not quite a revisionist effort re: The Lost Cause, but close enough for me to comment on the site.

BLACKS IN GRAY
https://morgansraiders.com/blacks-in-gray/#comment-73970

P.S. Most/many Confederate troops didn't wear gray.  They wore a color that caused them to be referred to (derisively?) as "Butternut."

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August 12, 2019 at 1:00 pm
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Anecdotal accounts and a handful of incidents/individuals, as well as the blurring of lines between “body servants” and soldiers, do not provide an adequate basis for the broad statement that enslaved or free Africans in the South “fought” for the C.S.A.
Major General Patrick Ronayne Cleburne’s proposal to enlist (and subsequently free) enslaved Africans into the Confederate Army earned for him the label of traitor among his comrades. CSA leadership required that all copies of Cleburne’s proposal be destroyed and he was never promoted again.
He was killed at the Battle of Franklin, Tennessee and was laid out on the back portico of the great house at the Carnton Plantation, where my great-grandmother Mariah Otey Reddick was enslaved. We’ve written a historical novel inspired by her life. https://clandestine-life.com/
In the final couple months of the War, the Confederate Congress finally authorized the enlistment of Africans, but no significant number were actually activated or armed. A ragtag group of hospital orderlies were marched down a Richmond, VA avenue (some carrying mops instead of rifles) and cited as “soldiers” for the CSA.
One unit that is often cited by Confederate revisionists is the Louisiana Home Guard. Though they were put on parade early in the War, they were not issued ammunition by many accounts. In actuality, as soon as Union troops approached, they switched loyalties.

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An article on the Louisiana Home Guard:
https://jubiloemancipationcentury.wordpress.com/2011/01/04/truth-lies-and-a-black-confederate-soldiers-hoax-and-the-true-story-of-the-louisiana-native-guards/

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