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More Voter Fraud
« on: July 27, 2012, 01:57:03 AM »
I remember this case.  As well as the child who registered and voted.

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LOUISA, Va. --

A felon living in Louisa County registered to vote illegally and then cast a ballot in the 2008 presidential election after filling out and submitting a voter-registration form she received by mail from the Voter Participation Center, a state senator who prosecuted the case confirmed Wednesday.

The case is the first known instance of voter fraud that resulted from voter registration mailings by the Voter Participation Center, a nonprofit that has distributed 5 million third-party registration forms across the country and nearly 200,000 in Virginia this year targeting Democrat-leaning voting blocs, such as unmarried women, young people and minorities.

State election officials and local registrars say hundreds, if not thousands, of the forms have been sent to ineligible voters, including dead relatives, children, non-U.S. citizens, already registered voters, and pets. The voting group, which has ties to progressive organizations, fills in the documents with the names and addresses of the people they are trying to reach.

In 2010, then Louisa County Commonwealth's Attorney Thomas A. Garrett Jr. — now a state senator — prosecuted Bonnie Nicholson, 57, on felony charges of illegally registering to vote and unlawfully casting a ballot in the 2008 general election.

Authorities determined that Nicholson, who had been convicted of a felony in 1980, received a national voter registration form in a mailing from the Voter Participation Center and signed it on Feb. 28, 2008. Despite her felony conviction, Nicholson swore that she had reviewed her state's registration instructions and met the eligibility requirements.

Her name and address were already printed on the form.

On Wednesday, Garrett provided the Richmond Times-Dispatch with a copy of Nicholson's registration form, which bears the name of the Voter Participation Center and a post office box in Boston. Louisa Registrar Cristy E. Watkins confirmed the document's authenticity when contacted by phone.

The form shows that the Louisa registrar's office removed Nicholson from its voting rolls on May 26, 2009, because of her previously undisclosed felony conviction.
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Re: More Voter Fraud
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2012, 03:28:36 AM »
Not sure what point you are trying to make here y04185.

This particular fraud occurred when a felon completed a registration form sent by a third party voter registration group and voted in the 2008 election.

Which of the new voter laws enacted by GOP dominated legislatures would have prevented this fraud?

I don't see how voter ID laws would have prevented a felon from submitting a voter registration form.

I don't see how requiring third-party voter registration groups to submit their forms within 48 hours (this requirement was recently struck down by a Judge in Florida) wouldhave prevented this from happening.

In this case,I don't see how this fraud would have been prevented if the felon had received the form from the voter registration office.

The argument that it's some sort of entrapment to inadvertently send an ineligible voter a voter registration is form kind of weak.

Aren't the local election officials supposed to check the forms to determine whether someone is eligible to vote i.e. is not a convicted felon?

I think it also significant that this occurred in 2008, and apparently is the first known instance of fraud that resulted from voter registration by mailings sent out by this particular group.

Kind of a stretch, don't you think? :shrug:
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Re: More Voter Fraud
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2012, 07:14:58 AM »
No stretch.  You people claim there is no voter fraud.  Yet, there is. 
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« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2012, 07:18:13 AM »
No stretch.  You people claim there is no voter fraud.  Yet, there is.  

I don't  believe I ever claimed there is no voter fraud.

No sir, you repeatedly misconstrue the argument.  What me, Bison66 and others have argued  is that there is insufficient evidence of voter impersonation fraud to justify the voter ID laws.

Which proposed GOP voter reform legislation would prevent this particular fraud?
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« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2012, 07:28:11 AM »
You people say that.  Yet, you people offer nothing in proof.  We all know Florida's voter rolls have non-citizens registered to vote.  Those non-citizens have voted.  That's voter fraud.  Yet, you people want those non-citizens to vote.  I have personally witnessed someone who is registered going to the poll to vote and being told he already voted.  Someone used his name and fraudulently voted.  That is why you need Voter ID laws. 
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« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2012, 07:41:17 AM »
You people say that.  Yet, you people offer nothing in proof.  We all know Florida's voter rolls have non-citizens registered to vote.  Those non-citizens have voted.  That's voter fraud.  Yet, you people want those non-citizens to vote.  I have personally witnessed someone who is registered going to the poll to vote and being told he already voted.  Someone used his name and fraudulently voted.  That is why you need Voter ID laws.  


Again, what GOP voter reform would prevent the type of fraud that was the subject in the lead post?  :shrug:

Voter I.D. laws would not prevent a felon from registering to vote. That is the fraud that is the subject of this thread.

With respect to voter I.D. laws, we have offered proof over and over again that voter impersonation fraud is extremely rare.

The "voter fraud" cry has been increasingly used to justify policies that suppress legitimate voters. But the cry is baseless; allegations of voter fraud—especially polling place impersonation fraud—almost always prove to be inflated or inaccurate. The Brennan Center carefully examines allegations of fraud to get at the truth behind the claims. The truth of the matter is that voter fraud—votes knowingly cast by ineligible individuals—is exceedingly rare; one is more likely to be struck by lightning than to commit voter fraud. Our work debunking the voter fraud myth is available at Truth About Fraud.

http://www.brennancenter.org/content/section/category/allegations_of_voter_fraud/



PHILADELPHIA (CBS) – Pennsylvania’s voter ID law has been at the center of controversy in past weeks, since many opponents say the law is a solution in search of a problem. So, is there voter fraud in the Commonwealth?

“There are no documented cases of voter fraud.”

Pennsylvania Department of State spokesperson Matthew Keeler says the state had no way of tracking voter fraud, so there’s no proof that it ever happened.

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/07/16/voter-id-law-a-solution-in-search-of-a-problem-watchdogs-find-little-evidence-of-fraud/

Your witnessing of one instance of alleged voter impersonation fraud does not justify the disenfranchising thousands of otherwise eligible voters.

Consider Pennsylvania.

Mike Turzai, Pennsylvania GOP House Majority Leader: Voter ID Will Allow Mitt Romney To Win State

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/25/mike-turzai-voter-id_n_1625646.html

Why did he say that.

Maybe this explains it:

On July 3, state officials sent out a news release to "confirm the vast majority of registered voters have the identification that can be used for voting." But its own analysis of state driving records revealed that 9% of those on its voting rolls — 758,939 in all — could not be found in the state Department of Transportation database. In Philadelphia alone, about 18% did not have the proper identification, according to this analysis.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-penn-voter-id-20120718,0,1039470.story

Again, I am not saying there is no voter fraud. The problem is that solutions which have been proposed by the GOP have the potential of doing more harm than good.

The number of ineligible voters that voted in Florida is negligible compared to the eligible voters that was on the purge list. That was the problem in Florida y04185. The purge list was so inaccurate the Supervisors of Elections refused to purge people from the rolls.




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Re: More Voter Fraud
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2012, 08:32:03 AM »
No stretch.  You people claim there is no voter fraud.  Yet, there is. 

Stop lying, yo. We've consistently posted that tbere is not the wholesale widespread voter fraud that justify the actions of your GOP comrades' push to change voter registration laws.

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« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2012, 08:43:04 AM »
No stretch.  You people claim there is no voter fraud.  Yet, there is. 

Stop lying, yo. We've consistently posted that tbere is not the wholesale widespread voter fraud that justify the actions of your GOP comrades' push to change voter registration laws.

Don't call him a liar. I'm sure he wasn't intentionally making a false statement. ;D

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« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2012, 12:48:24 PM »
No stretch.  You people claim there is no voter fraud.  Yet, there is. 

Stop lying, yo. We've consistently posted that tbere is not the wholesale widespread voter fraud that justify the actions of your GOP comrades' push to change voter registration laws.

Don't call him a liar. I'm sure he wasn't intentionally making a false statement. ;D

Oh, my bad for calling him out on his usual shitchk...

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« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2012, 04:01:39 PM »
A major probe by the Justice Department between 2002 and 2007 failed to prosecute a single person for going to the polls and impersonating an eligible voter, which the anti-fraud laws are supposedly designed to stop. Out of the 300 million votes cast in that period, federal prosecutors convicted only 86 people for voter fraud – and many of the cases involved immigrants and former felons who were simply unaware of their ineligibility. A much-hyped investigation in Wisconsin, meanwhile, led to the prosecution of only .0007 percent of the local electorate for alleged voter fraud. "Our democracy is under siege from an enemy so small it could be hiding anywhere," joked Stephen Colbert. A 2007 report by the Brennan Center for Justice, a leading advocate for voting rights at the New York University School of Law, quantified the problem in stark terms. "It is more likely that an individual will be struck by lightning," the report calculated, "than that he will impersonate another voter at the polls."


http://www.thenation.com/blog/167217/voter-fraud-fraud#_=1343418766467&count=horizontal&counturl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenation.com%2Fblog%2F167217%2Fvoter-fraud-fraud&id=twitter-widget-0&lang=en&original_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenation.com%2Fblog%2F167217%2Fvoter-fraud-fraud&related=thenation%3AAmerica's%20oldest%20and%20most%20widely%20read%20weekly%20magazine%20of%20opinion.&size=m&text=The%20%E2%80%98Voter%20Fraud%E2%80%99%20Fraud%20%20%7C%20The%20Nation&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenation.com%2Fblog%2F167217%2Fvoter-fraud-fraud



Indeed, between 2000 and 2007, there were 32,299 UFO sightings in the United States, 352 deaths caused by lightning, but only nine cases of voter impersonation, according to a great new infographic by Craiglist founder Craig Newmark.

http://radio.foxnews.com/2012/04/06/the-voter-fraud-myth/

http://craigconnects.org/voter-protection-infographic


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Re: More Voter Fraud
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Re: More Voter Fraud
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2018, 11:45:50 AM »

y04185 claims to be an auditor which means he should be familiar with statistical sampling and yet he still thinks he has a valid argument.


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Re: More Voter Fraud
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2019, 06:06:42 PM »
Early this year the GOP & Fox News were blabbing about 'nearly 100,000 illegal immigrants' on voter rolls in Texas?

Well...

Texas did a review and has removed just 14, YES 14 voters, not because they were non-citizens, but because they didn't respond to a letter.

TOLD YA SO!

https://twitter.com/krassenstein/status/1107003601514303488?s=19

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« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2019, 09:28:01 AM »
soflo^^^appreciate the update, Big homie, but I honestly thought that whole issue of voter fraud pushed by Trump and his despicable supporters had already been TOTALLY discredited.   :(

Anybody still pushing this as an issue - either on this board or elsewhere- is either stupid, a fool or both.  :shrug:

 

 

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