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Offline oldsport

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YES, THE FISA APPLICATION SUPPORTS TRUMP AND NUNES
« on: July 23, 2018, 01:43:06 PM »
YES, THE FISA APPLICATION SUPPORTS TRUMP AND NUNES

July 23, 2018 

Daniel Greenfield

The media loves to fact check, yet it operates almost entirely in a fact-free environment. An environment so fact-free that it is governed entirely by tribal ideology in a darkness into which facts have as little access as light does into a vampire's coffin.

So Trump's tweets about the FISA application release have predictably spurred a noxious rash of media fact-checking. Or, as it's more accurately described, spin.

About the only place to spin the FISA application's contents is into the blacked out and redacted areas of the application. Because the unredacted areas decisively establish that...

1. The FISA application leaned on the Steele dossier, a Clinton campaign product, and derivatives thereof, like the Yahoo News article produced through media contacts.


 
2. The FISA application did not disclose that the Steele dossier came from the Clinton campaign, only that it might possibly be the work of some political opponent. It insisted on Steele's reliability even once it was forced to break ties with him over his overt pro-Clinton moves.

3. The FISA application misled on the question of the Yahoo News article, depicting it as a separate source, even when there was no question that it was not. This was done to make it seem as if there were more support for these allegations than just Steele.

4. The FISA application leans heavily on media stories. Now maybe there's a whole lot of classified information obtained through intel in the redacted sections, but previous rounds of this have shown that the redacted sections usually just contain the more damning material.

There is simply no spin that makes this look good. Short of pinning lefty media hopes on the redacted section, the Saturday night dump was a disaster for Team Coup. And the media's insistence that Trump's tweets have no proof isn't fact checking, it's wishful thinking.


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Re: NO, THE FISA APPLICATION DOES NOT SUPPORT TRUMP AND NUNES
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2018, 02:35:16 PM »
Y'all,

Of course, as usual, Olds..t has no clue and the fRightfWing writer disassembles..

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1. The FISA application leaned on the Steele dossier, a Clinton campaign product, and derivatives thereof, like the Yahoo News article produced through media contacts.

Notice the word "leaned."

Yeah, MAYBE, but the FISA application did NOT depend entirely on the much-confirmed Steele Dossier.  Carter Paige is CLEARLY referenced throughout the redacted sections - as he himself admits.

So, it does NOT support numbnuts Nunes's contention because he was going around like a chicken without a head claiming the app was SOLELY based on the dossier.  Papadopolous' drunken claims are what sparked the investigation.

The statement in the FISA app INDICATES that some info was COLLECTED BY OPPONENTS of #ErraticTrump.  THAT was NOT redacted!!!!!

NEVER do fRight fWing folks mention that the opposition research that culminated in the dossier was begun by Repubs.

But it doesn't matter.  A FISA application is for an INTELLIGENCE operation, not a criminal investigation.  SUSPICION for good reason is enough of a justification to get a WARRANT.  It's a warrant, Olds..t, not a conviction!!!!!!!  Geeeeez!!!!

The FISA app was RENEWED by three Republican judges.

This is representative of the usual howls of victimization that emanate from the fRight fWing when their little toes (or hands) are stepped on.  But let a Black man (like Castilo with a gun permit) be shot down like a dog and they got nothing to say.

Olds,,t, below are the Regs.  Show where something was done in violation.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/1803
http://www.fisc.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/FISC%20Rules%20of%20Procedure.pdf

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Re: YES, THE FISA APPLICATION SUPPORTS TRUMP AND NUNES
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2018, 02:50:11 PM »
Nothing from OS surprises me anymore.

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Re: YES, THE FISA APPLICATION SUPPORTS TRUMP AND NUNES
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2018, 02:56:50 PM »
It's really sad .... you poor souls are in deep denial....

SMH...

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Re: YES, THE FISA APPLICATION SUPPORTS TRUMP AND NUNES
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2018, 05:57:00 PM »
Also, somebody needs to point out to DOTUS and his minions here and elsewhere that Source #1 is clearly a person, not a document. The FBI didn't just use outtakes from some dossier and use them in the FISA application. They interviewed Steele personally. That is a huge difference.

I know #45 doesn't read books and has no intellectual curiosity. He probably has no idea how intelligence really works in spite of having a huge intelligence apparatus at his disposal. He could find out everything he needs to know about how it all works, but he just isn't capable of paying attention for the amount of time it would take for him to understand how it works.

If Steele just took his sources at their word, it's unlikely that he would have been able to establish himself as being a valuable source of intelligence for the FBI, so valuable that they have used him in the past and continued to consider him to be a valuable source. He clearly has a history of being able to supply reliable information.

Journalists need to quit getting tricked into agreeing that the "dossier" was one of the sources of information. It was not. Steele was one of the sources of information. Meaning they interviewed him personally where they can question his assertions. You can't question a report, but who cares, the report was not one of the sources for the FISA application.

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Re: YES, THE FISA APPLICATION SUPPORTS TRUMP AND NUNES
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2018, 06:34:43 PM »
Four federal judges separately approved the surveillance requests, each time saying the government had shown “probable cause” that Page was acting as an agent of the Russian government. Two of the four surveillance requests had been approved by top Trump appointees in the Justice Department, including Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.

The records released Saturday confirm that the FBI based its surveillance requests in part on the work of Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence officer hired by a research firm working for Trump’s opponent, Hillary Clinton, who compiled the now-infamous “dossier” alleging links between Russia and the Trump campaign. The FBI said in the application that Steele wasn’t told who had hired him to conduct that work, but that Steele “was likely looking for information that could be used to discredit” Trump’s campaign. The FBI said it believed Steele’s work to be “credible.”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/07/21/fbi-releases-carter-page-fisa-records/813984002/

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Re: NO, THE FISA APPLICATION DOES NOT SUPPORT TRUMP AND NUNES
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2018, 07:12:33 PM »
It's really sad .... you poor souls are in deep denial....

SMH...

You couldn't offer one single item of rebuttal,...now could you??

You shaking your head doesn't change the facts of what we posted.

All the shaking of your head does.... is cause your loose screws to rattle.


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Re: YES, THE FISA APPLICATION SUPPORTS TRUMP AND NUNES
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2018, 08:26:21 PM »
Olds and 45ers only read what they are fed by other 45ers.

NO INDEPENDENT THOUGHT!

RIF - Reading Is Fundamental!

https://onnidan1.com/forum/index.php?topic=138009.0

Nunes might end up in jail, by the time this is over.   
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Re: YES, THE FISA APPLICATION SUPPORTS TRUMP AND NUNES
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2018, 08:29:36 PM »
Trump has now walked back his walk-back on U.S. intelligence and Russia


Trump  falsely claimed that a dossier by former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele “was responsible for starting” the investigation into Russia's interference in the 2016 presidential campaign.” He went on to blast the dossier, calling it “fake” and “dirty” before declaring the investigation headed by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III a “witch hunt.”

The truth is that the investigation began in July 2016 when Australian officials informed their U.S. counterparts that Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos told an Australian diplomat that Russia had “dirt” on Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton. But FBI officials did not receive the dossier from Steele until that September.

It shouldn't be surprising that just days after Trump declared that he had confidence in U.S. intelligence agencies, he would attack them. One of the areas where Trump has been most consistent is in dismissing the investigation and the individuals in the intelligence community who have concluded that Russia could not be trusted. And a large percentage of Americans seem not to be pleased about how he handled the summit with Putin.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-has-now-walked-back-his-walk-back-on-us-intelligence-and-russia/ar-BBL0kcj?ocid=ientp

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Re: YES, THE FISA APPLICATION SUPPORTS TRUMP AND NUNES
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2018, 12:19:17 AM »
It's really sad .... you poor souls are in deep denial....

SMH...

Read the bottom of page 14 and top of 15, for the EXPLANATION TO THE JUDGE that some of the information was opposition research.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ff8eOt2_DZGLLj_6oA0PYJfrWfRTqbCG/view

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Re: YES, THE FISA APPLICATION SUPPORTS TRUMP AND NUNES
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2018, 08:49:32 AM »
All all Four judges were GOP judges appointed during the older Bush administration- There have been 3 FISA warrants approved and each warrant contained MORE REDACTED material= 5 pages to begin with then it increased with each warrant = so they are on to  something.

 

 

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