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This has little to do with competition  and everything to do with costs. Travel costs especially are killing budgets.




How so Decks?  I took a look at the time it takes to travel from Hampton to FAMU and it's a wash if not an hr longer. Add the fact that Kennasaw State has join the Big South, that's at least an additional 8hrs they didn't have on their travel schedule.


What am I missing?

You might want to check those travel times.  Kennesaw State is a closer and shorter trip than FAMU.

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If it is true let it be on record  11/15/2017 that bluedog noted this is exactly what happen to the heritage bowl. The meac schools forsaking their commitment.


While one schools movement isn't the end all, it surely is eerily reminisce of what cause the end to the heritage bowl.  Blacks folks chasing after what white folks control even though they have more and could have the best of both worlds.
Maybe the reality is, Hampton would really rather play for a NCAA playoffs championship as opposed to a bowl game?

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The issue/topic isn't about their reality. Its about why black people can't get anything or make any gains because they are too busy chasing after what white folks have, because they perceive it to be better.

This might be the rare case where that's true. In basketball they won't have to worry about the First Four game every year.  In other sports they will get better seeding. 

The MEAC sucks as a conference. 

If the MEAC was more competitive you would be 100% correct.




Obviously I wasn't direct enough for you. My first point was in reference to travel time that would be the farthest in both conference.  FAMU vs North Alabama.


As for that other Samboish talk please keep it to yourself and off this thread. Everybody is fully aware of your self loathing by now.

You obviously don't proof what you type.  You stated Kennesaw.  That, by the way is in Georgia.  Too bad you aren't man enough to admit your mistake and tap dancing.




I just explain clearly what my mistake was. If thatso not good enough for you. Phuck it

Actually, you didn't.  You went into name calling mode because you aren't man enough to admit your mistake.  Nor are you man enough to admit that others have different to opposing views.  You are a very ignorant person if you believe that everybody thinks like you.  As far as leaving the MEAC, I'll take Dr. Harvey's word over yours anytime.  You are nothing more than a little man, with a little mind, who really needs to get out more.




No you're a liar. I explained that I obviously wasn't clear enough for you and went on to make it simple enough for even you to grasp. It wasn't until after that I asked you to keep your Samboish comments about the meac to yourself while on my threads.


You do have enough common sense to realize people can actually see what we both typed right?
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If it is true let it be on record  11/15/2017 that bluedog noted this is exactly what happen to the heritage bowl. The meac schools forsaking their commitment.


While one schools movement isn't the end all, it surely is eerily reminisce of what cause the end to the heritage bowl.  Blacks folks chasing after what white folks control even though they have more and could have the best of both worlds.

SMH....More racialist myopic BS.

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Here's my take on the entire situation. It was not about money since the MEAC followed by the SWAC lead all FCS conferences in revenue. Sounds like it was more out of spite.
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Blame the MEAC commish and administrators; not individual schools. The writing has been on the wall for the last seven years and they did nothing. WSSU left, SSU is leaving and now Hampton. In 2014-2015 A&T explored leaving citing travel costs associated with being in the MEAC. SC State amidst financial issues also looked at alternatives. The bottom line the conference covers too much territory and needs to be reorganized. I've always felt like the MEAC should be a true mid atlantic conference and include: Morgan State, Howard, NSU, Hampton, A&T, nccu, and SC State.     




With all due respect DECKS you are dead wrong on this.  The MEAC is comprised of the members that are in the conference which in turn dictates travel cost.


Every member that decided to join knew the demographic since 1973. Do you want us to believe that the geography of the conference magically changed after a member join, left, and then rejoin? It makes no sense.


What do you expect the administration to do? Some how magically shrink the travel?


I'm still anxious for you to explain to me how a one hour longer trip with an additional 8 hour trip is cost saving.


It just doesn't add up so far and makes absolutely no CENTS.

Shrinking the conference is exactly what needed to happen via adding enough members to split into divisions in all sports and Commish Thomas was unable to achieve that. Another unspoken issue was the MEAC's decision for members not to offer Cost Of Attendance.

To your last point they will have 12 conference members within a 2 state drive. That's huge. I guess we'll have to see how the associate members factor into this.

Of course there are additional questions/suspicions since Hampton has been trying to bounce since 1999.

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I am not going to lie.  I am very disappointed in the move.  I guess they have to do what they have to do for their own purposes.  I only wish there was some way to work this out. They are leaving now...then SSU next year.  Wheew...these are two hard blows to the chin.

Is this the beginning of the end of the MEAC as we now know it?  Let's keep it real....there is no PWI legit program going to join a HBCU conference unless they have no other choice.  To think that they will join our conferences is crazy. Hell we ONLY get a rep in the playoffs because it would be to obvious to not "allow" to us participate.

I truly hope no D2 school starts that FCS transition process.  That same $1M fee off the rip could go toward improving those same D2 facilities, which is one of the main factors in a number of our schools not getting the top student-athletes. 

I wonder who did the ROI analysis for this move.....hummm???

Oh well.......
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Blame the MEAC commish and administrators; not individual schools. The writing has been on the wall for the last seven years and they did nothing. WSSU left, SSU is leaving and now Hampton. In 2014-2015 A&T explored leaving citing travel costs associated with being in the MEAC. SC State amidst financial issues also looked at alternatives. The bottom line the conference covers too much territory and needs to be reorganized. I've always felt like the MEAC should be a true mid atlantic conference and include: Morgan State, Howard, NSU, Hampton, A&T, nccu, and SC State.     




With all due respect DECKS you are dead wrong on this.  The MEAC is comprised of the members that are in the conference which in turn dictates travel cost.


Every member that decided to join knew the demographic since 1973. Do you want us to believe that the geography of the conference magically changed after a member join, left, and then rejoin? It makes no sense.


What do you expect the administration to do? Some how magically shrink the travel?


I'm still anxious for you to explain to me how a one hour longer trip with an additional 8 hour trip is cost saving.


It just doesn't add up so far and makes absolutely no CENTS.

Shrinking the conference is exactly what needed to happen via adding enough members to split into divisions in all sports and Commish Thomas was unable to achieve that. Another unspoken issue was the MEAC's decision for members not to offer Cost Of Attendance.

To your last point they will have 12 conference members within a 2 state drive. That's huge. I guess we'll have to see how the associate members factor into this.

Of course there are additional questions/suspicions since Hampton has been trying to bounce since 1999.

Decks, you hit it. All above good points. By the way, Del State has been looking to go. (They should be added to that mid-Atlantic re-organization.)

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If it is true let it be on record  11/15/2017 that bluedog noted this is exactly what happen to the heritage bowl. The meac schools forsaking their commitment.


While one schools movement isn't the end all, it surely is eerily reminisce of what cause the end to the heritage bowl.  Blacks folks chasing after what white folks control even though they have more and could have the best of both worlds.

SMH....More racialist myopic BS.




Well do feel free to elaborate how the meac didn't forsake it's commitment to send it's top team to the heritage bowl and then later decomitted completely for the playoffs.


By all means don't let me hold you back. I'm sure you got all the evidence in the world.
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SWAC Champs: 1937,38,40,46,47,48,49,50,55,59,60,66,75,93,97,98,99,03,13
Bowl Appearances:11 record 8-3 Heritage Bowl 4 - 2

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Blame the MEAC commish and administrators; not individual schools. The writing has been on the wall for the last seven years and they did nothing. WSSU left, SSU is leaving and now Hampton. In 2014-2015 A&T explored leaving citing travel costs associated with being in the MEAC. SC State amidst financial issues also looked at alternatives. The bottom line the conference covers too much territory and needs to be reorganized. I've always felt like the MEAC should be a true mid atlantic conference and include: Morgan State, Howard, NSU, Hampton, A&T, nccu, and SC State.     




With all due respect DECKS you are dead wrong on this.  The MEAC is comprised of the members that are in the conference which in turn dictates travel cost.


Every member that decided to join knew the demographic since 1973. Do you want us to believe that the geography of the conference magically changed after a member join, left, and then rejoin? It makes no sense.


What do you expect the administration to do? Some how magically shrink the travel?


I'm still anxious for you to explain to me how a one hour longer trip with an additional 8 hour trip is cost saving.


It just doesn't add up so far and makes absolutely no CENTS.

Shrinking the conference is exactly what needed to happen via adding enough members to split into divisions in all sports and Commish Thomas was unable to achieve that. Another unspoken issue was the MEAC's decision for members not to offer Cost Of Attendance.

To your last point they will have 12 conference members within a 2 state drive. That's huge. I guess we'll have to see how the associate members factor into this.

Of course there are additional questions/suspicions since Hampton has been trying to bounce since 1999.




Well you know I understand totally about the advantages of having two division. Having said that I think you're unjustly being harsh on him for not being able to do that.


Its not his fault that schools couldn't hold up their end of the bargain and move back down to D2 because they simply couldn't afford it because of poor products on the field.


Secondly I believe you're making the mistake of judging him on the basis he's playing on a level playing field. Whereas we are all too anxious to intermingle with others and venture into joining their conference. They are still living in the 60's when it comes to reciprocating equal acceptance.
« Last Edit: November 16, 2017, 03:36:07 PM by bluedog »
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SWAC Champs: 1937,38,40,46,47,48,49,50,55,59,60,66,75,93,97,98,99,03,13
Bowl Appearances:11 record 8-3 Heritage Bowl 4 - 2

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I am not going to lie.  I am very disappointed in the move.  I guess they have to do what they have to do for their own purposes.  I only wish there was some way to work this out. They are leaving now...then SSU next year.  Wheew...these are two hard blows to the chin.

Hampton leaving the MEAC MAY or may NOT be a blow to the conference but certainly not a surprise.  SSU leaving the MEAC is hardly a blow to the MEAC's chin considering they never REALLY wanted SSU anyway. Heyal, their admittance went something like "Ok...well... I guess...but under these conditions...and then well..I guess"   :tongue2:





Is this the beginning of the end of the MEAC as we now know it? 


ElJay, I seriously doubt it. It will be interesting to see what other changes happen in the MEAC after the Pirates vacate the premises. Remember the MEAC was just fine before the addition of Hampton, SSU and briefly WSSU.





I truly hope no D2 school starts that FCS transition process.  That same $1M fee off the rip could go toward improving those same D2 facilities, which is one of the main factors in a number of our schools not getting the top student-athletes. 

I wonder if the MEAC would like to have Tuskegee...maybe?  :shrug: Albany State...maybe? But that probably won't happen either. Well, maybe Albany State?  :shrug:


just my 2 cents...based off...my 2 cents
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I am not going to lie.  I am very disappointed in the move.  I guess they have to do what they have to do for their own purposes.  I only wish there was some way to work this out. They are leaving now...then SSU next year.  Wheew...these are two hard blows to the chin.

Hampton leaving the MEAC MAY or may NOT be a blow to the conference but certainly not a surprise.  SSU leaving the MEAC is hardly a blow to the MEAC's chin considering they never REALLY wanted SSU anyway. Heyal, their admittance went something like "Ok...well... I guess...but under these conditions...and then well..I guess"   :tongue2:





Is this the beginning of the end of the MEAC as we now know it? 


ElJay, I seriously doubt it. It will be interesting to see what other changes happen in the MEAC after the Pirates vacate the premises. Remember the MEAC was just fine before the addition of Hampton, SSU and briefly WSSU.





I truly hope no D2 school starts that FCS transition process.  That same $1M fee off the rip could go toward improving those same D2 facilities, which is one of the main factors in a number of our schools not getting the top student-athletes. 

I wonder if the MEAC would like to have Tuskegee...maybe?  :shrug: Albany State...maybe? But that probably won't happen either. Well, maybe Albany State?  :shrug:


just my 2 cents...based off...my 2 cents
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why would either one of those teams (Tuskegee or Albany) want to join the MEAC.  Why wouldn't they want to join the SWAC, if  they wanted to move up at all? 



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If it is true let it be on record  11/15/2017 that bluedog noted this is exactly what happen to the heritage bowl. The meac schools forsaking their commitment.


While one schools movement isn't the end all, it surely is eerily reminisce of what cause the end to the heritage bowl.  Blacks folks chasing after what white folks control even though they have more and could have the best of both worlds.

Bluedog there are times when you make me so mad, then there are times I think you should be president. This is one of your president moments. You are right on brother.  :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

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Who is Hampton big rivals in the meac?
BCFNC:1948,49,50,54,60,75,93,95,97,98,03
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Bowl Appearances:11 record 8-3 Heritage Bowl 4 - 2

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Who is Hampton big rivals in the meac?

Is this a serious question?

that's all...   ???

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Dr. Harvey has always been somewhat of a forward thinker in regards to how he has run Hampton.  He has done the school very well and it has grown athletically while maintaining its academic reputation.  There may be some discontent with the MEAC in this but I tend to think that its a business decision first and a way to grow Hampton second.  I do agree with BlueDog in how we as a people should not run to the other side because we think things will be better over there. Other people have grown there product by sticking together and for the most part we should too. At the same time TSU has done it and from what I can tell they have not suffered or gained actually.  I don't  know that situation in depth but on the surface it does not appear to be detrimental overall. It certainly has not affected HBCU football and neither will this decision.  In fact it may work in all of our favor because if Hampton represents affectively all HBCU's and their football product may be viewed in a more favorable light.  I don't say that because we have to have it but it it happens its a positive.  Maybe reducing the number of MEAC schools is a good thing from a financial standpoint and it opens opportunities for more OOC games.  I don't see what Hampton is doing is a bad thing its just something we are not accustomed to seeing happen.  Change can  be hard for some to accept.  Good luck Hampton.  Go and represent to the utmost.

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I am not going to lie.  I am very disappointed in the move.  I guess they have to do what they have to do for their own purposes.  I only wish there was some way to work this out. They are leaving now...then SSU next year.  Wheew...these are two hard blows to the chin.

Hampton leaving the MEAC MAY or may NOT be a blow to the conference but certainly not a surprise.  SSU leaving the MEAC is hardly a blow to the MEAC's chin considering they never REALLY wanted SSU anyway. Heyal, their admittance went something like "Ok...well... I guess...but under these conditions...and then well..I guess"   :tongue2:





Is this the beginning of the end of the MEAC as we now know it? 


ElJay, I seriously doubt it. It will be interesting to see what other changes happen in the MEAC after the Pirates vacate the premises. Remember the MEAC was just fine before the addition of Hampton, SSU and briefly WSSU.





I truly hope no D2 school starts that FCS transition process.  That same $1M fee off the rip could go toward improving those same D2 facilities, which is one of the main factors in a number of our schools not getting the top student-athletes. 

I wonder if the MEAC would like to have Tuskegee...maybe?  :shrug: Albany State...maybe? But that probably won't happen either. Well, maybe Albany State?  :shrug:


just my 2 cents...based off...my 2 cents
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LOL....Nawww bruh.  Not TU...but I am not now high level big money joker at TU. 

How about MOREHOUSE????? LOL...don't be throwing us out there for this year's edition of HBCU Conference Realignments...lol

There we go...let's start the rumor that Samuel Jackson and Spike Lee just gave you guys the $1M fee and you are moving up to the MEAC...so you will be in transition for the next few years.  LOL...I think that will help us in recruiting against you jokers!!!  LOLOLOL....just messing with you potna...lol


Heeeeeeey Tuskegee......

 

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