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Time For DI HBCU's to Consider D2?
« on: March 19, 2017, 07:41:28 PM »
I know MEAC folks are tired of my one man crusade but it's time for us to face reality. We do not belong at the DI level!!! We don't have the resources to compete, we are constantly mired in APR issues and we are often on the wrong end of lopsided losses.

Outside of bowling and occasionally track we are pretty much the bottom feeders of every sport. Let's take a look at my beloved MEAC revenue sports:

Football

Record vs FCS OOC completion 0 - 12

Lowest rated FCS scholarship conference



Basketball

Record vs. DI OOC competition  17 - 137 

Games lost by 20 or more points = 51

Lowest rated DI basketball conference


Most of our out of conference wins now come against D2 competition so why not move to D2? The exposure can't be worth the continued humiliation?


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Re: Time For DI HBCU's to Consider D2?
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2017, 09:04:16 PM »
 :-X :popcorn:

that's all...

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Re: Time For DI HBCU's to Consider D2?
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2017, 09:26:07 PM »
I totally agree and have been saying this for a while.

Hell, the MEAC schools have a better situation since they're so close to the CIAA and SIAC schools. I think everyone from Delaware to NC should move back to the CIAA and everyone from SC to Florida should move back to the SIAC.

Attendance would greatly increase for football and basketball, you'll have more success and you'll save money.

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Re: Time For DI HBCU's to Consider D2?
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2017, 09:51:18 PM »
I totally agree and have been saying this for a while.

Hell, the MEAC schools have a better situation since they're so close to the CIAA and SIAC schools. I think everyone from Delaware to NC should move back to the CIAA and everyone from SC to Florida should move back to the SIAC.

Attendance would greatly increase for football and basketball, you'll have more success and you'll save money.

What's the CIAA and SIAC's OOC record for football and basketball? Who's to say the powers that be won't cut the MEAC's and SWAC's athletic budgets even further if they both moved to the CIAA and SIAC?
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Re: Time For DI HBCU's to Consider D2?
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2017, 10:13:12 PM »
I'm kinda with Punchy on this one in that our failures in athletics isn't so much a divisional issue as it is a general institutional issue. The OOC and playoff performance of the D-2 HBCU's is only marginally better than it is for the FCS HBCU's. Our schools are just grossly underfunded athletically across the board, regardless of classification. Our FCS programs are way behind the 8 ball as compared to their PWC counterparts. Same is true for our D-2 institutions. Having officiated on both the FCS and FBS levels of football has really opened my eyes to the disparities between PWC's and HBCU's of all levels.

It's hard to fund a top notch athletics program when the institution itself is struggling for survival!!
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Re: Time For DI HBCU's to Consider D2?
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2017, 10:25:54 PM »
With the upcoming finical challenges our schools face, this may be the best option available.  No need to merge the conferences, just drop down.  If not as a group, then as individual programs.  The overall survival of our institutions is way more important than trying to be big time. 

HOWEVER, this kind of conversation will not be held at either of these conferences main offices.

The egos and pride will not allow this to be discussed rationally and practically.

So it will be what it will be.
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Re: Time For DI HBCU's to Consider D2?
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2017, 10:28:38 PM »
I totally agree and have been saying this for a while.

Hell, the MEAC schools have a better situation since they're so close to the CIAA and SIAC schools. I think everyone from Delaware to NC should move back to the CIAA and everyone from SC to Florida should move back to the SIAC.

Attendance would greatly increase for football and basketball, you'll have more success and you'll save money.

What's the CIAA and SIAC's OOC record for football and basketball? Who's to say the powers that be won't cut the MEAC's and SWAC's athletic budgets even further if they both moved to the CIAA and SIAC?

It just seems that revenue would increase by playing more regional, historical rivals.

We can't continue to do business as usual in this ever changing environment of college athletics.

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Re: Time For DI HBCU's to Consider D2?
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2017, 11:28:26 PM »
Hmmm....
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Re: Time For DI HBCU's to Consider D2?
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2017, 11:36:24 PM »
I totally agree and have been saying this for a while.

Hell, the MEAC schools have a better situation since they're so close to the CIAA and SIAC schools. I think everyone from Delaware to NC should move back to the CIAA and everyone from SC to Florida should move back to the SIAC.

Attendance would greatly increase for football and basketball, you'll have more success and you'll save money.

What's the CIAA and SIAC's OOC record for football and basketball? Who's to say the powers that be won't cut the MEAC's and SWAC's athletic budgets even further if they both moved to the CIAA and SIAC?

It just seems that revenue would increase by playing more regional, historical rivals.

We can't continue to do business as usual in this ever changing environment of college athletics.

I'm not sure of that.  

However, I don't have an issue with being reclassified to Division II.  As long as NCCU is classified with like-minded, and institutions with similar profiles I'm okay with it.  Ie, merging with the CIAA won't solve anything.  

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Re: Time For DI HBCU's to Consider D2?
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2017, 11:39:31 PM »
If we have to, but I like being div. 1 better. 
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Re: Time For DI HBCU's to Consider D2?
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2017, 11:53:31 PM »
I'm kinda with Punchy on this one in that our failures in athletics isn't so much a divisional issue as it is a general institutional issue. The OOC and playoff performance of the D-2 HBCU's is only marginally better than it is for the FCS HBCU's. Our schools are just grossly underfunded athletically across the board, regardless of classification. Our FCS programs are way behind the 8 ball as compared to their PWC counterparts. Same is true for our D-2 institutions. Having officiated on both the FCS and FBS levels of football has really opened my eyes to the disparities between PWC's and HBCU's of all levels.

It's hard to fund a top notch athletics program when the institution itself is struggling for survival!!

The D1 schools would not be under funded if they had a staff of people to raise money.  The overwhelming majority of our D1 schools are not located in the sticks.  There are plenty of opportunities to raise money.  You can't raise enough money with just one person.  Too many of our D1 schools have someone raising money part time.  It makes no sense.  

NCCU cut back on staffing to save money.  They cut the fund raiser position.   :brickwall:  They should have expanded the fund raising department.  The more people raising money the more money you raise.  For football they sell ESLs for football.  That's a good thing.  The bad thing is the ESL is good for three years.  It should be for one year.  

punchy, the CIAA was 7-16 in OOC against D2 schools in football if I didn't miss any games.

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Re: Time For DI HBCU's to Consider D2?
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2017, 12:24:27 AM »
I totally agree and have been saying this for a while.

Hell, the MEAC schools have a better situation since they're so close to the CIAA and SIAC schools. I think everyone from Delaware to NC should move back to the CIAA and everyone from SC to Florida should move back to the SIAC.

Attendance would greatly increase for football and basketball, you'll have more success and you'll save money.

What's the CIAA and SIAC's OOC record for football and basketball? Who's to say the powers that be won't cut the MEAC's and SWAC's athletic budgets even further if they both moved to the CIAA and SIAC?

It just seems that revenue would increase by playing more regional, historical rivals.

We can't continue to do business as usual in this ever changing environment of college athletics.

I'm not sure of that. 

However, I don't have an issue with being reclassified to Division II.  As long as NCCU is classified with like-minded, and institutions with similar profiles I'm okay with it.  Ie, merging with the CIAA won't solve anything. 


Agreed.

I just think VSU, JCSU, Fayetteville and WSSU would draw way better in Durham than FAMU, Morgan and Delaware State.

Hell, the basketball games would be all the way live, too; especially with the cheerleaders. :lol:

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Re: Time For DI HBCU's to Consider D2?
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2017, 01:36:06 AM »
Hey Decks!!!

Are you ohslax61 on another HBCU Message Board??? :lmao:

https://www.hbcusports.com/forums/threads/why-not-d2-for-hbcus.129300/page-2

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Re: Time For DI HBCU's to Consider D2?
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2017, 04:22:19 AM »
Decks,

I'm sending the air ambulance for you 'cause these jokers are going to assault you... :laugh:


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Re: Time For DI HBCU's to Consider D2?
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2017, 06:52:14 AM »
Hey Decks!!!

Are you ohslax61 on another HBCU Message Board??? :lmao:

https://www.hbcusports.com/forums/threads/why-not-d2-for-hbcus.129300/page-2

Nope, but I might join in the discussion.

 

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