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Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2016, 12:19:04 PM »
No, the student-athletes are the ones who matter most in this.  The players love playing in an NBA venue and the conference is making a profit regardless.  So there is no harm in playing in Toyota Center.  The televised championship game will likely be as it has been the last 2 seasons with respectable attendance.
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Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2016, 12:37:11 PM »
No, the student-athletes are the ones who matter most in this.  The players love playing in an NBA venue and the conference is making a profit regardless.  So there is no harm in playing in Toyota Center.  The televised championship game will likely be as it has been the last 2 seasons with respectable attendance.

True. But I wonder if you polled those same student athletes about playing in front of empty seats at an NBA arena or playing in front of fans in a D-1 arena, which would be a higher priority. Keep in mind, most if not all, played AAU so they are accustomed to playing in larger venues.

So, in your opinion, what's a respectable attendance for these conference tournament games?  And more importantly, since the conference is profiting from this, what must they do differently to attract more fans and locals to join the fun at an NBA arena?
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Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2016, 01:24:08 PM »
At the very least, I think they should move the earlier rounds to a smaller venue. TSU's gym would be an excellent option. To say that there are even a hundred people in the stands at some of those games would be a stretch. Why play those games at the Toyota Center if the arena is only at around 1% capacity? Yes, I get that players like the feeling of playing where the Houston Rockets play...but at what point do all the pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media begin to damage the SWAC brand?

Bluedog the "benefit" to moving would be to limit the perceived "damage to the SWAC brand" due to all the games in an empty arena and "pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media"

This isn't my opinion (I don't have a dog in the hunt), but I believe that is the gist of the question

This


So how much has  this make believe damage  cost the conference?  And is it real money or monopoly money?

If there is any other make believe damage please elaborate by offering any make believe evidence that you have.



Clearly this is a sore subject for you. Not one poster has mentioned any financial damage keeping the tournament at the Toyota Center would cause the conference. The pictures I posted are very real, not "make believe." You simply cannot deny that attendance at this year's tournament so far is very poor. Given that fact, I think it's plenty fair to discuss the possibility of moving the tournament to a more appropriately sized venue.



Chief the only thing that's clear is that you can't  articulate any damages that's  being cause other then what you've  made up in your mind.

If I'm wrong I welcome any  real evidence that you care to present


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Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2016, 01:27:52 PM »
No, the student-athletes are the ones who matter most in this.  The players love playing in an NBA venue and the conference is making a profit regardless.  So there is no harm in playing in Toyota Center.  The televised championship game will likely be as it has been the last 2 seasons with respectable attendance.

True. But I wonder if you polled those same student athletes about playing in front of empty seats at an NBA arena or playing in front of fans in a D-1 arena, which would be a higher priority. Keep in mind, most if not all, played AAU so they are accustomed to playing in larger venues.

So, in your opinion, what's a respectable attendance for these conference tournament games?  And more importantly, since the conference is profiting from this, what must they do differently to attract more fans and locals to join the fun at an NBA arena?


That's a huge assumption.  Not that it matters one way or the other. But it is a huge assumption without any proof.


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Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2016, 01:36:45 PM »
At the very least, I think they should move the earlier rounds to a smaller venue. TSU's gym would be an excellent option. To say that there are even a hundred people in the stands at some of those games would be a stretch. Why play those games at the Toyota Center if the arena is only at around 1% capacity? Yes, I get that players like the feeling of playing where the Houston Rockets play...but at what point do all the pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media begin to damage the SWAC brand?

Bluedog the "benefit" to moving would be to limit the perceived "damage to the SWAC brand" due to all the games in an empty arena and "pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media"

This isn't my opinion (I don't have a dog in the hunt), but I believe that is the gist of the question

This


So how much has  this make believe damage  cost the conference?  And is it real money or monopoly money?

If there is any other make believe damage please elaborate by offering any make believe evidence that you have.



Clearly this is a sore subject for you. Not one poster has mentioned any financial damage keeping the tournament at the Toyota Center would cause the conference. The pictures I posted are very real, not "make believe." You simply cannot deny that attendance at this year's tournament so far is very poor. Given that fact, I think it's plenty fair to discuss the possibility of moving the tournament to a more appropriately sized venue.



Chief the only thing that's clear is that you can't  articulate any damages that's  being cause other then what you've  made up in your mind.

If I'm wrong I welcome any  real evidence that you care to present

I provided pictures. Visual evidence is literally the strongest form of evidence I can provide. You on the other hand, have yet to provide any reasonable rebuttal to said pictures.

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Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2016, 01:45:02 PM »
No, the student-athletes are the ones who matter most in this.  The players love playing in an NBA venue and the conference is making a profit regardless.  So there is no harm in playing in Toyota Center.  The televised championship game will likely be as it has been the last 2 seasons with respectable attendance.

True. But I wonder if you polled those same student athletes about playing in front of empty seats at an NBA arena or playing in front of fans in a D-1 arena, which would be a higher priority. Keep in mind, most if not all, played AAU so they are accustomed to playing in larger venues.

So, in your opinion, what's a respectable attendance for these conference tournament games?  And more importantly, since the conference is profiting from this, what must they do differently to attract more fans and locals to join the fun at an NBA arena?


That's a huge assumption.  Not that it matters one way or the other. But it is a huge assumption without any proof.

You want proof. I looked at Southern's roster and randomly picked one athlete - Brendon Ganaway. Dude played on TJ Ford's Elite AAU team. I rest my case. I've not seen a single second of a Southern hoops game in at least two years so I don't even know if dude is getting any run or not. I stand by my assertion that most of these young athletes in the SWAC have played AAU ball and played in larger venues before.



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Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2016, 01:57:40 PM »
At the very least, I think they should move the earlier rounds to a smaller venue. TSU's gym would be an excellent option. To say that there are even a hundred people in the stands at some of those games would be a stretch. Why play those games at the Toyota Center if the arena is only at around 1% capacity? Yes, I get that players like the feeling of playing where the Houston Rockets play...but at what point do all the pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media begin to damage the SWAC brand?

Bluedog the "benefit" to moving would be to limit the perceived "damage to the SWAC brand" due to all the games in an empty arena and "pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media"

This isn't my opinion (I don't have a dog in the hunt), but I believe that is the gist of the question

This


So how much has  this make believe damage  cost the conference?  And is it real money or monopoly money?

If there is any other make believe damage please elaborate by offering any make believe evidence that you have.



Clearly this is a sore subject for you. Not one poster has mentioned any financial damage keeping the tournament at the Toyota Center would cause the conference. The pictures I posted are very real, not "make believe." You simply cannot deny that attendance at this year's tournament so far is very poor. Given that fact, I think it's plenty fair to discuss the possibility of moving the tournament to a more appropriately sized venue.



Chief the only thing that's clear is that you can't  articulate any damages that's  being cause other then what you've  made up in your mind.

If I'm wrong I welcome any  real evidence that you care to present

I provided pictures. Visual evidence is literally the strongest form of evidence I can provide. You on the other hand, have yet to provide any reasonable rebuttal to said pictures.

Clearly  you have a poor understanding of what the word damage means. 


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Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2016, 02:06:28 PM »
At the very least, I think they should move the earlier rounds to a smaller venue. TSU's gym would be an excellent option. To say that there are even a hundred people in the stands at some of those games would be a stretch. Why play those games at the Toyota Center if the arena is only at around 1% capacity? Yes, I get that players like the feeling of playing where the Houston Rockets play...but at what point do all the pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media begin to damage the SWAC brand?

Bluedog the "benefit" to moving would be to limit the perceived "damage to the SWAC brand" due to all the games in an empty arena and "pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media"

This isn't my opinion (I don't have a dog in the hunt), but I believe that is the gist of the question

This


So how much has  this make believe damage  cost the conference?  And is it real money or monopoly money?

If there is any other make believe damage please elaborate by offering any make believe evidence that you have.



Clearly this is a sore subject for you. Not one poster has mentioned any financial damage keeping the tournament at the Toyota Center would cause the conference. The pictures I posted are very real, not "make believe." You simply cannot deny that attendance at this year's tournament so far is very poor. Given that fact, I think it's plenty fair to discuss the possibility of moving the tournament to a more appropriately sized venue.



Chief the only thing that's clear is that you can't  articulate any damages that's  being cause other then what you've  made up in your mind.

If I'm wrong I welcome any  real evidence that you care to present

I provided pictures. Visual evidence is literally the strongest form of evidence I can provide. You on the other hand, have yet to provide any reasonable rebuttal to said pictures.

Clearly  you have a poor understanding of what the word damage means. 

It's interesting that you appear to be the only in this thread with that assessment. It's also interesting that even you still won't (and really can't) deny that having that many empty seats...at any point in the tournament....isn't a good look for any conference tournament.

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Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2016, 02:09:31 PM »
No, the student-athletes are the ones who matter most in this.  The players love playing in an NBA venue and the conference is making a profit regardless.  So there is no harm in playing in Toyota Center.  The televised championship game will likely be as it has been the last 2 seasons with respectable attendance.

True. But I wonder if you polled those same student athletes about playing in front of empty seats at an NBA arena or playing in front of fans in a D-1 arena, which would be a higher priority. Keep in mind, most if not all, played AAU so they are accustomed to playing in larger venues.

So, in your opinion, what's a respectable attendance for these conference tournament games?  And more importantly, since the conference is profiting from this, what must they do differently to attract more fans and locals to join the fun at an NBA arena?


That's a huge assumption.  Not that it matters one way or the other. But it is a huge assumption without any proof.

You want proof. I looked at Southern's roster and randomly picked one athlete - Brendon Ganaway. Dude played on TJ Ford's Elite AAU team. I rest my case. I've not seen a single second of a Southern hoops game in at least two years so I don't even know if dude is getting any run or not. I stand by my assertion that most of these young athletes in the SWAC have played AAU ball and played in larger venues before.


Yeah I know that's  the new catch phrase now. "I Stand by........" as if that some how that legitimizes an accusation or assumption.

As I said..."Not that it matters one way or the other"  It's still a huge assumption and one player out of what?   150?

Isn't confirmation that is the case. Either way it's just another thread making wild assumptions about student athletes base on nothing more then pure speculation.

Kind of reminds me of the hot topic of discussion about how the SWAC was cheating the students athlete by not participating in  the playoffs. As if the students were so dumb that they were aware when they sign their NOI the SWAC didn't participate in the playoffs and some how they were mislead or tricked.
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Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2016, 02:12:02 PM »
At the very least, I think they should move the earlier rounds to a smaller venue. TSU's gym would be an excellent option. To say that there are even a hundred people in the stands at some of those games would be a stretch. Why play those games at the Toyota Center if the arena is only at around 1% capacity? Yes, I get that players like the feeling of playing where the Houston Rockets play...but at what point do all the pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media begin to damage the SWAC brand?

Bluedog the "benefit" to moving would be to limit the perceived "damage to the SWAC brand" due to all the games in an empty arena and "pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media"

This isn't my opinion (I don't have a dog in the hunt), but I believe that is the gist of the question

This


So how much has  this make believe damage  cost the conference?  And is it real money or monopoly money?

If there is any other make believe damage please elaborate by offering any make believe evidence that you have.



Clearly this is a sore subject for you. Not one poster has mentioned any financial damage keeping the tournament at the Toyota Center would cause the conference. The pictures I posted are very real, not "make believe." You simply cannot deny that attendance at this year's tournament so far is very poor. Given that fact, I think it's plenty fair to discuss the possibility of moving the tournament to a more appropriately sized venue.



Chief the only thing that's clear is that you can't  articulate any damages that's  being cause other then what you've  made up in your mind.

If I'm wrong I welcome any  real evidence that you care to present

I provided pictures. Visual evidence is literally the strongest form of evidence I can provide. You on the other hand, have yet to provide any reasonable rebuttal to said pictures.

Clearly  you have a poor understanding of what the word damage means. 

It's interesting that you appear to be the only in this thread with that assessment. It's also interesting that even you still won't (and really can't) deny that having that many empty seats...at any point in the tournament....isn't a good look for any conference tournament.

What's  really interesting.  You still can't come up with one example of how the conference is damage.

Sign: anxiously awaiting


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Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2016, 02:15:59 PM »
At the very least, I think they should move the earlier rounds to a smaller venue. TSU's gym would be an excellent option. To say that there are even a hundred people in the stands at some of those games would be a stretch. Why play those games at the Toyota Center if the arena is only at around 1% capacity? Yes, I get that players like the feeling of playing where the Houston Rockets play...but at what point do all the pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media begin to damage the SWAC brand?

Bluedog the "benefit" to moving would be to limit the perceived "damage to the SWAC brand" due to all the games in an empty arena and "pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media"

This isn't my opinion (I don't have a dog in the hunt), but I believe that is the gist of the question

This


So how much has  this make believe damage  cost the conference?  And is it real money or monopoly money?

If there is any other make believe damage please elaborate by offering any make believe evidence that you have.



Clearly this is a sore subject for you. Not one poster has mentioned any financial damage keeping the tournament at the Toyota Center would cause the conference. The pictures I posted are very real, not "make believe." You simply cannot deny that attendance at this year's tournament so far is very poor. Given that fact, I think it's plenty fair to discuss the possibility of moving the tournament to a more appropriately sized venue.



Chief the only thing that's clear is that you can't  articulate any damages that's  being cause other then what you've  made up in your mind.

If I'm wrong I welcome any  real evidence that you care to present

I provided pictures. Visual evidence is literally the strongest form of evidence I can provide. You on the other hand, have yet to provide any reasonable rebuttal to said pictures.

Clearly  you have a poor understanding of what the word damage means. 

It's interesting that you appear to be the only in this thread with that assessment. It's also interesting that even you still won't (and really can't) deny that having that many empty seats...at any point in the tournament....isn't a good look for any conference tournament.

What's  really interesting.  You still can't come up with one example of how the conference is damage.

Sign: anxiously awaiting

Show me where I said the SWAC is currently being damaged from poor attendance. The question that I asked was clearly hypothetical. Again, you're missing the point entirely.

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Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2016, 02:26:57 PM »
At the very least, I think they should move the earlier rounds to a smaller venue. TSU's gym would be an excellent option. To say that there are even a hundred people in the stands at some of those games would be a stretch. Why play those games at the Toyota Center if the arena is only at around 1% capacity? Yes, I get that players like the feeling of playing where the Houston Rockets play...but at what point do all the pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media begin to damage the SWAC brand?


Oops!


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Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2016, 02:30:44 PM »
At the very least, I think they should move the earlier rounds to a smaller venue. TSU's gym would be an excellent option. To say that there are even a hundred people in the stands at some of those games would be a stretch. Why play those games at the Toyota Center if the arena is only at around 1% capacity? Yes, I get that players like the feeling of playing where the Houston Rockets play...but at what point do all the pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media begin to damage the SWAC brand?


Oops!

Perhaps you missed the "but at what point" part of the question. Again, clearly a hypothetical question and not an assessment of the current state of the SWAC.

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Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2016, 02:36:02 PM »
At the very least, I think they should move the earlier rounds to a smaller venue. TSU's gym would be an excellent option. To say that there are even a hundred people in the stands at some of those games would be a stretch. Why play those games at the Toyota Center if the arena is only at around 1% capacity? Yes, I get that players like the feeling of playing where the Houston Rockets play...but at what point do all the pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media begin to damage the SWAC brand?


Oops!

Perhaps you missed the "but at what point" part of the question. Again, clearly a hypothetical question and not an assessment of the current state of the SWAC.


Do you mean  like make believe?   Yeah obviously I missed that part.



So how much has  this make believe damage  cost the conference?  And is it real money or monopoly money?

If there is any other make believe damage please elaborate by offering any make believe evidence that you have.




Now will you make believe to answer the make believe questions?
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Re: Poor Attendance So Far At SWAC Tourney
« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2016, 02:37:28 PM »
At the very least, I think they should move the earlier rounds to a smaller venue. TSU's gym would be an excellent option. To say that there are even a hundred people in the stands at some of those games would be a stretch. Why play those games at the Toyota Center if the arena is only at around 1% capacity? Yes, I get that players like the feeling of playing where the Houston Rockets play...but at what point do all the pictures of an empty arena circulating on social media begin to damage the SWAC brand?


Oops!

Perhaps you missed the "but at what point" part of the question. Again, clearly a hypothetical question and not an assessment of the current state of the SWAC.


Do you mean  like make believe?   Yeah obviously I missed that part.



So how much has  this make believe damage  cost the conference?  And is it real money or monopoly money?

If there is any other make believe damage please elaborate by offering any make believe evidence that you have.



I'm beginning to think I may never get a single word of meaningful discussion out of you and I hate when threads get hijacked by back and forth arguing so I think we may just have to agree to disagree here.

 

 

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