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Politics / THE TRUMP WHISTLEBLOWER STORY WORSENS, HIS CORRUPTION IS EXPOSED
« on: September 19, 2019, 10:48:35 AM »
Democracy Dies in Darkness
 
As the whistleblower story gets worse for Trump, his corruption keeps spreading
 
By  Greg Sargent

WAPO Opinion writer
September 19 at 10:21 AM
Shockingly, it turns out that President Trump appears to be directly implicated in the remarkable tale of the mysterious whistleblower complaint that has yet to be transmitted to Congress, in direct violation of the law.

The new details emerging about Trump’s involvement in this story are damning on their own. But they also illustrate a broad theme of the Trump presidency: How his enablers keep wheeling the machinery of government into action to insulate his corruption from accountability.

The Post reports that the whistleblower who submitted a complaint to the intelligence community’s inspector general did so after growing alarmed by a call Trump held with an unspecified foreign leader. Former officials tell The Post that the whistleblower was particularly troubled by some sort of “promise” Trump made to that leader.

This new reporting also sheds light on how this process has been deeply perverted to prevent the facts of this situation from reaching Congress.

To quickly recap, acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire failed to transmit the whistleblower’s complaint to Congress’ intelligence committees, even though the DNI inspector general deemed it “credible” and of “urgent concern,” triggering a statutory requirement that he do so. Maguire has continued to refuse, citing specious legal reasoning.

Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, has raised the alarm about this, and the inspector general, Michael Atkinson, is scheduled to testify to the committee Thursday in closed-door session. Maguire may testify next week.

The Post report further demonstrates how this all happened.

The process is getting perverted

As The Post reports, Maguire declined to forward the complaint to Congress after consulting with the Justice Department for legal guidance. Maguire supposedly believes he faces a real legal predicament -- the details of the complaint are outside his jurisdiction. In one letter to Schiff, Maguire had already justified withholding it by claiming it involves “potentially privileged communications by persons outside the intelligence community.”

We now know that one of these “persons” is likely Trump himself. So the Justice Department apparently advised Maguire not to forward the complaint to Congress, likely on this basis.

The statute defines an “urgent concern” as a “serious” abuse or violation of the law “relating” to the “operation of an intelligence activity” within the DNI’s “responsibility or authority.” If the inspector general deems the complaint about such a matter “credible,” the DNI “shall” forward it to Congress.

But the DNI -- apparently at the Justice Department’s urging -- is claiming that the event in question fell outside this statutory language. What to make of this argument?

A deeply strained argument

Ned Price, a national security adviser to former president Barack Obama, told me that the key here might lie in the statute’s use of the word “relating.” If Trump’s phone call to a foreign leader related to intelligence activity within the DNI’s responsibility -- that is, if the call implicated that activity -- that might be grounds for a whistleblower complaint that fell squarely within the statute’s parameters.

“The word relating gives a lot of wiggle room,” Price said. “It has to be an issue relating to the intelligence community,” in which a “reasonable person” would see a “direct connection to the intelligence community.”

For instance, Price noted hypothetically, if Trump made a promise to Russian president Vladimir Putin or North Korean leader Kim Jong Un -- two leaders with whom Trump communicated over the summer -- that compromised or seriously strained ongoing intelligence operations, that would clearly “relate” to ongoing intelligence activity.

Such a matter, then, would have to be passed on to Congress by law, Price noted. And the claim that it doesn’t fall within the statute because it involves activity committed by someone outside the intelligence community -- i.e., Trump -- would be particularly strained.

This would be even more glaring if it involved Trump making a promise that didn’t have any discernible connection to the national interest, and appeared to be more in the interests of the foreign power in question -- or even in his own direct interests. Obviously, given all we’ve seen, these seem perfectly plausible.

In such a scenario, if the Justice Department is advising the DNI to break the law to prevent the details from being shared with Congress, that perverts the process and enables Trump’s corruption. And let’s not forget that the inspector general looked at these details and concluded the report of Trump’s call did fall within the statute’s parameters.

It’s possible that the Justice Department and the DNI inspector general have a legitimate disagreement about this matter. But the Justice Department’s position, conveniently, makes it impossible for Congressional oversight to shed light on this matter one way or the other, since it keeps the details from Congress. Given what we’ve seen from the Justice Department thus far, we shouldn’t give it the benefit of the doubt.

One complication is that presidents should have the power to keep some private communications with other world leaders from Congress, for good reasons. But as Asha Rangappa outlines in this thread, this power should not be unlimited.

And what we’ve seen repeatedly is that Trump is abusing such powers, notably for reasons that don’t appear driven by any conception of what’s in the national interest.

Trump isn’t operating in the country’s interests

Recall that Trump went to extraordinary lengths to keep top aides from learning the details of multiple conversations with Putin. And his aides moved to suspend the long-established practice of publishing details of Trump’s calls with foreign leaders. How are these things in the national interest?

Given the current context -- a call with a foreign leader aroused alarm in a whistleblower, and the DNI’s inspector general agreed that his complaint is legitimate -- all that looks even worse in retrospect. We’re seeing the bulldozing of multiple guardrails all at once. And looming behind it all is the overarching factor that Trump just doesn’t seem to be operating in the country’s interests.

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Sports Forum / Re: 0-2
« on: September 19, 2019, 10:11:10 AM »
Red Skins all day

MY SKINS HAVE HAD A COMBINATION OF POOR CHOICES AND JUST PLAIN BAD LUCK THE PAST 20 YEARS.  THEY WILL NOT WIN 5 GAMES THIS YEAR BUT THEY ARE STILL MY TEAM.  COACH GRUDEN WILL BE FIRED BEFORE THANKSGIVING. (...I HOPE)

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Politics / Re: WATCHING KEN BURNS' "COUNTRY MUSIC"?
« on: September 19, 2019, 09:29:34 AM »
CIAA Fan- Had the same experience in Korea- one night at 2nd division we had a party in our officer's barracks, They had a country and western band. About one hour into the music they started playing R&B and soul like they grew up with it.

FOR THE MOST PART THE MILITARY TRIES TO ACCOMODATE EACH AND EVERY ONE. I REMEMBER WHILE STATIONED IN GERMANY IN THE EARLY 80s, THE SOLE AFN (ARMED FORWARD NETWORK) RADIO STATION HAD C&W MUSIC ON ONE DAY, R&B ON ANOTHER, EASY LISTENING, CLASSICAL... AND SO ON AND SO ON. IF YOU WANTED TO LISTEN TO AMERICAN RADIO THER, AFN WAS YOUR ONLY CHOICE.  WHILE I AM STILL NOT A COUNTRY MUSIC FAN, BACK THEN I LISTENED TO EVERYTHING ON AFN, AS IT WAS MY ONLY TOUCH WITH ANY AMERICAN MUSIC. I DIDN'T LIKE GERMAN COMMERICAL RADIO AT ALL.  I WAS BACK IN GERMANY A FEW YEARS AGO AND NOW YOU CAN FIND JUST ABOUT ANYTHING YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO ON GERMAN COMMERCIAL RADIO -AND- THERE ARE THREE (3) AFN STATIONS!

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General Discussion Forum / Re: Air Force announces newest Red Tail
« on: September 19, 2019, 09:16:58 AM »
COOL. VERY COOL.   :clap: :clap:

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Sports Forum / Re: BOWIE STATE BREAKS INTO THE AFCA TOP 25
« on: September 19, 2019, 09:01:03 AM »
Congratulations Bowie.

Don't forget about the Trojans who just housed Pembroke.

Quote from: FunCkMaster on September 16, 2019, 10:11:24 PM

    "And we have been winning ugly too. The new QB (Gaston Cooper) is getting his legs under himself. Did better vs. Shaw than he did in the first game against AIC. We have a nice 6-3, 230-pound WR too, Dushon Davis, who caught the winning TD vs. Shaw... If he and Cooper really get on one accord, we could give some d-backs some problems. :tiptoe:

    October is really gonna let us know what time it is...WSSU, Chowan (who just dropped 70 on Alderson-Broaddus earlier this season) Va. St. and VUU :o all in a row. We gotta be clicking on all cylinders by then. Hopefully we can smack Alderson-Broaddus and St. Aug at home before we go on the road to meet the Rams."


"Believe me" (as your president would say)...I'm on my ish. I know what's up. :nod:

THE GREAT THING ABOUT BSU FOOTBALL TODAY IS WE ARE BOTH OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER WHEN BSU WAS LITERALLY THE WORST TEAM IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL FOR MANY YEARS.  I BELIEVE THEY STILL HAVE THE LONGEST LOSING STREAK IN NCAA HISTORY.  THOSE WERE SOME BAD TIMES FOR BOWIE FANS. :no:

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IS TRUMP A TRAITOR?  CLOSED HEARINGS BEGIN IN 5 MINUTES IN WASHINGTON.  WHY DID A SECURITY OFFICER FEEL COMPELLED TO REPORT TRUMP's PHONE CALL PROMISES TO A "FOREIGN LEADER"?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trumps-communications-with-foreign-leader-are-part-of-whistleblower-complaint-that-spurred-standoff-between-spy-chief-and-congress-former-officials-say/2019/09/18/df651aa2-da60-11e9-bfb1-849887369476_story.html




The whistleblower complaint that has triggered a tense showdown between the U.S. intelligence community and Congress involves President Trump’s communications with a foreign leader, according to two former U.S. officials familiar with the matter. Trump is pictured Wednesday during a visit to the border with Mexico in Otay Mesa, Calif. (Nicholas Kamm/AFP/Getty Images)

September 18 at 8:56 PM 
The whistleblower complaint that has triggered a tense showdown between the U.S. intelligence community and Congress involves President Trump’s communications with a foreign leader, according to two former U.S. officials familiar with the matter.

Trump’s interaction with the foreign leader included a “promise” that was regarded as so troubling that it prompted an official in the U.S. intelligence community to file a formal whistleblower complaint with the inspector general for the intelligence community, said the former officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly.

It was not immediately clear which foreign leader Trump was speaking with or what he pledged to deliver, but his direct involvement in the matter has not been previously disclosed. It raises new questions about the president’s handling of sensitive information and may further strain his relationship with U.S. spy agencies. One former official said the communication was a phone call.



[Gap continues to widen between Trump and intelligence community on key issues]

The White House declined to comment late Wednesday night. The Office of the Director of National Intelligence and a lawyer representing the whistleblower declined to comment.

Intelligence Community Inspector General Michael Atkinson determined that the complaint was credible and troubling enough to be considered a matter of “urgent concern,” a legal threshold that requires notification of congressional oversight committees.

But acting director of national intelligence Joseph Maguire has refused to share details about Trump’s alleged transgression with lawmakers, touching off a legal and political dispute that has spilled into public view and prompted speculation that the spy chief is improperly protecting the president.



The dispute is expected to escalate Thursday when Atkinson is scheduled to appear before the House Intelligence Committee in a classified session closed to the public. The hearing is the latest move by committee Chairman Adam B. Schiff (D-Calif.) to compel U.S. intelligence officials to disclose the full details of the whistleblower complaint to Congress. Maguire has agreed to testify before the panel next week, according to a statement by Schiff. He declined to comment for this article......


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Politics / Re: Hopefully, a Big Blow to Colorism....
« on: September 19, 2019, 08:49:36 AM »
PLAIN AND SIMPLE, LUPITA IS A BEAUTIFICAL WOMAN AND ANYONE WHO CAN NOT FATHOM THAT SIMPLE FACT; I SIMPLY PITY THEM.  THEY HAVE LET WHITE PEOPLE DEFINE FOR THEM WHAT IS BEAUTIFUL AND WHAT IS NOT.

Yeah...because before white people nobody ever found light skin more attractive than darker skin eh? ::)

A HIT DOG WILL YELP!!!!

S -M - H


O0

I'll remember this next time you correct oldsport about "You k____s". Since correcting erroneous statements means a dog has been hit.

I SEE I WAS NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO IMMEDIATELY THOUGHT OF YOU (NEYMAR) AFTER SEEING THIS POST.

This post is literally years old.

...AND NOTHING HAS CHANGED. ::)

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Politics / Re: WATCHING KEN BURNS' "COUNTRY MUSIC"?
« on: September 19, 2019, 08:48:27 AM »
I HAVE ALWAYS HAD AN INTELLECTUAL CURIOUSITY ABOUT APPARENT HISTORICAL OXIMORONS; i.e. BLACK CONFEDERATE SOLDIERS, JEWISH GUARDS IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS AND REPUBLICAN CHICKEN HAWKS. LIKE MANY OF MY GENERATION, WHEN I HEAR COUNTRY MUSIC I ALMOST ALWAYS AUTOMATICALLY CHATERGORIZE THOSE MUSICIANS AND THEIR FOLLOWERS AS RACISTS. I AM ALSO SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT NOTHING IS EVER AS IT APPEARS SOLELY ON THE SURFACE AND THAT A TRULY A WISE MAN WILL TAKE THE TIME TO UNCOVER THE SHELL, TO SEEK THE TRUTH. I AM RECORDING THE "COUNTRY MUSIC" DOCUMENTARY AND WILL HAVE MORE TO SAY ABOUT IT AFTER WATCHING THE ENTIRE SERIES.  :nod:

No you won't.  Stop lying.

Spoiler alert!  If not for Blacks there would be no country nor bluegrass music.   

Too bad you people are too Black to listen to it.

ANSWER TWO QUESTIONS BEFORE I EVEN RESPOND TO YOUR DUMB a** .  ARE YOU WATCHING THE DOCUMENTARY?  DO YOU LISTEN TO COUNTRY MUSIC?  ARE YOU BLACK ENOUGH TO LISTEN TO IT?  :lmao:


c-f has nothing to add.  He's resorted to name calling.  He also can't count.  That's why he couldn't get into the Air Force.

IF MAYBE YOU BOTHERED TO WATCH WE COULD THEN HAVE A REASONABLE CONVERSATION.  WHY DOES YOUR "NAME CALLING, NOTHING TO ADD" RESPONSE NOT SURPRISE ME?  BECAUSE IT IS YOUR STANDARD RESPONSE WHEN YOU HAVE NOTHING SUBSTANTITIVE TO ADD.  ...AND YES, I DID WATCH LAST EVENING'S EPISODE.

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Politics / Re: Kamala Harris plunges in two new Democratic primary polls
« on: September 18, 2019, 06:01:32 PM »
Why aren't you people supporting her?

My bad.  Your handler told you to support Biden.

Read more

Two new polls released this week could spell trouble for Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Kamala Harris.

The California senator stands at 5 percent support in Iowa in a survey commissioned by the progressive organization Focus on Rural America. That’s down 13 percentage points from her 18 percent support in the group’s previous poll, which was conducted in July.

The Iowa survey’s release came a day after an NBC News/Wall Street Journal national poll has Harris in fifth place at 5 percent. That’s down 8 points from her 13 percent showing in the July poll.

STFU.  WE ALREADY KNOW WHO YOUR UNCLE TOM a**  SUPPORTS.

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Politics / Re: WATCHING KEN BURNS' "COUNTRY MUSIC"?
« on: September 18, 2019, 05:54:27 PM »
I HAVE ALWAYS HAD AN INTELLECTUAL CURIOUSITY ABOUT APPARENT HISTORICAL OXIMORONS; i.e. BLACK CONFEDERATE SOLDIERS, JEWISH GUARDS IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS AND REPUBLICAN CHICKEN HAWKS. LIKE MANY OF MY GENERATION, WHEN I HEAR COUNTRY MUSIC I ALMOST ALWAYS AUTOMATICALLY CHATERGORIZE THOSE MUSICIANS AND THEIR FOLLOWERS AS RACISTS. I AM ALSO SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT NOTHING IS EVER AS IT APPEARS SOLELY ON THE SURFACE AND THAT A TRULY A WISE MAN WILL TAKE THE TIME TO UNCOVER THE SHELL, TO SEEK THE TRUTH. I AM RECORDING THE "COUNTRY MUSIC" DOCUMENTARY AND WILL HAVE MORE TO SAY ABOUT IT AFTER WATCHING THE ENTIRE SERIES.  :nod:

No you won't.  Stop lying.

Spoiler alert!  If not for Blacks there would be no country nor bluegrass music.   

Too bad you people are too Black to listen to it.

ANSWER TWO QUESTIONS BEFORE I EVEN RESPOND TO YOUR DUMB a** .  ARE YOU WATCHING THE DOCUMENTARY?  DO YOU LISTEN TO COUNTRY MUSIC?  ARE YOU BLACK ENOUGH TO LISTEN TO IT?  :lmao:

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Sports Forum / Re: Week 4 Top HBCU Matchups..
« on: September 18, 2019, 02:55:38 PM »
Que, I definitely think we will see if they're legit this weekend vs. Tennessee State.

AAMU looked darn good vs. UNA, especially in the 2and half. If they play well this weekend, the Bulldogs shouldn't have any problems with Samford.

AAMU's RUNNING BACK BENTLY #1 IS THE REAL DEAL.  :nod:

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Something doesn't quite feel right about Maynor's accusations.  I have no doubt that UNA has a bunch of racist Mofo, but what gives me pause is that no one has verified any of his assertions.

He complained that we weren't given complimentary tickets when it appears we didn't give UNA any when they came to us.

He complained we weren't given tickets to sell when we didn't give them any to sell when they came to us.

They didn't let them go on the field until two hours before the game.  :shrug:  Unless their team was on the field before two hours, I don't see how this is an issue.  Their house, their rules.

He said a police officer put his hand on his gun but no one has stepped forward to say that it actually happened. (Maynor didn't specify that he witnessed it himself and in this age of cell phone video nothing.)

Video of Interview was taken down.

No one in the administration has backed him.

 :shrug:

WHILE MAYNOR WILL NEVER WIN A PERSONALITY CONTEST, I HAVE NO REASON TO DOUBT HIS ASSERTIONS.  IF THEY HAD LOST THE GAME OR THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONABLE CALLS MYBE IT COULD HAVE BEEN JUST SOUR GRAPES.  BUT THEY DOMINATED UNA.  GONNA SEE IF I CAN FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THIS GAME.

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