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11446
Politics / Re: Arizona Enacts Toughest Immigration Law
« on: April 27, 2010, 01:44:00 PM »
I INVITE REPLIES TO THIS OP-ED PIECE BY EUGENE ROBINSON.
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Washington Post
Eugene Robinson
Tuesday, April 27, 2010

Arizona's draconian new immigration law is an abomination -- racist, arbitrary, oppressive, mean-spirited, unjust. About the only hopeful thing that can be said is that the legislation, which Republican Gov. Jan Brewer signed Friday, goes so outrageously far that it may well be unconstitutional.

Brewer, who caved to xenophobic pressures that previous governors had the backbone to resist, should be ashamed of herself. The law requires police to question anyone they "reasonably suspect" of being an undocumented immigrant -- a mandate for racial profiling on a massive scale. Legal immigrants will be required to carry papers proving that they have a right to be in the United States. Those without documentation can be charged with the crime of trespassing and jailed for up to six months.

Activists for Latino and immigrant rights -- and supporters of sane governance -- held weekend rallies denouncing the new law and vowing to do everything they can to overturn it. But where was the Tea Party crowd? Isn't the whole premise of the Tea Party movement that overreaching government poses a grave threat to individual freedom? It seems to me that a law allowing individuals to be detained and interrogated on a whim -- and requiring legal residents to carry identification documents, as in a police state -- would send the Tea Partyers into apoplexy. Or is there some kind of exception if the people whose freedoms are being taken away happen to have brown skin and might speak Spanish?

And what is the deal with Sen. John McCain? The self-proclaimed practitioner of "straight talk" was once a passionate advocate of sensible, moderate immigration reform. Now, facing a primary challenge from the right, he has praised the new law, which is as far from sensible and moderate as it could possibly be. Are six more years in the Senate really worth abandoning what seemed like bedrock principles? Or were those principles always situational?

Let me interrupt this tirade to point out that while Arizona has unquestionably done the wrong thing, it is understandable that exasperated officials believed they had to do something. Immigration policy and border security are federal responsibilities, and Washington has failed miserably to address what Arizonans legitimately see as a crisis.

Arizona has become the preferred point of entry for undocumented workers, and an estimated 460,000 are in the state -- settling down, or just passing through -- at any given time. I have driven down to the border and watched as authorities tried to pick out trucks and vans that might be transporting people without papers. I've spent a morning at the Mexican consulate in Phoenix, which is usually crowded with recent immigrants; only the most naive observer would think that all or even most of them were in the country legally. The influx imposes an unfair burden on the state, and for years Arizonans have implored federal officials to do something about immigration reform and border control -- to no avail.

But this law won't work. On the contrary, it will make the problems worse. Phoenix Mayor Phil Gordon -- who wrote an op-ed in The Post calling proponents of the law "bitter, small-minded and full of hate" -- hopes to file a lawsuit against the state arguing that local police are now being forced to fulfill a federal responsibility.

One of the concrete problems with the law treating undocumented immigrants as criminals is that it gives those without papers a powerful incentive to stay as far away from police as possible. This will only make it more difficult for local police to investigate crimes and track down fugitive offenders, because no potential witness who is undocumented will come forward.

And how are police supposed to decide whom they "reasonably suspect" of being in the country illegally? Since the great majority of undocumented immigrants in Arizona are from Mexico, aggressive enforcement of the law would seem to require demanding identification from anybody who looks kind of Mexican. Or maybe just hassling those who look kind of Mexican and also kind of poor. Or maybe anyone who dares to visit the Mexican consulate.

Arizona is dealing with a real problem and is right to demand that Washington provide a solution. But the new immigration law isn't a solution at all. It's more like an act of vengeance. The law makes Latino citizens and legal residents vulnerable to arbitrary harassment -- relegating them to second-class status -- and it is an utter disgrace.

The writer will be online to chat with readers at 1 p.m. Eastern time Tuesday, 27 April 2010. Submit your questions and comments before or during the discussion.

11447
Politics / Re: Arizona Enacts Toughest Immigration Law
« on: April 26, 2010, 06:02:18 PM »
IN ALL HONESTY, I AM NOT ENTIRELY SURE HOW I FEEL ABOUT THIS LAW BECAUSE I CAN SEE MERITS TO BOTH SIDES OF THE ARGUMENT.  HOWEVER, IN THE MACRO-POLITICAL SCHEME OF THINGS, THE ARIZONA GOP APPARENTLY HAS MADE A COVERT AND POSSIBLY OVERT DE FACTO DECISION TO GIVE UP ON ANY CHANCE OF EVER COURTING THE HISPANIC VOTE.  THE GOP NATIONAL COMMITTEE APPARENTLY AGREES.  IT IS A BOLD POLITICAL MOVE TO MAKE A POLITICAL ENEMY OF WHAT IS NOW THE SECOND LARGEST MINORITY GROUP AND WHAT IS PREDICTED TO SOON BE THE LARGEST MINORITY GROUP, IN OUR NATION WITHIN THE NEXT 2O YEARS.  

I INTEND TO GET SMARTER ON THIS ISSUE.   :nod:

11448
How'd I miss this thread?


Oh, I know....

I was waiting for OS. highlander or y04 to respond to a request to give an example of where, in their opinion, they had made a better case for the Conservative position than others did for their position.

That's what I was doing....

 O0

HAVEN'T YOU NOTICED THAT IT IS MUCH EASIER FOR THESE INDIVIDUALS TO AT VARIOUS TIMES TO OBFUSCATE THE ISSUE BY?  A. ANSWERING A QUESTION WITH ANOTHER, B. ATTEMPTING TO DEFLECT FROM THE ORIGINAL QUESTION BY INSULTS SPECIFICALLY REFERING TO ONE AS "YOU PEOPLE",  C. CUTTING AND PASTING THE ORIGINAL WORDS AND THOUGHTS OF OTHERS WITHOUT DISPLAYING ANY CAPACITY FOR CONSTRUCTING A COGENT OR LOGICAL DISSERTATIVE RESPONSE, IN THEIR OWN WORDS.  D. IMMEDIATELY REPLYING WITH A PERSONAL INSULT. 

AS MUCH AS I LOVE REAL POLITICAL DEBATE, THE ABOVE ARE A  FEW REASONS I HAVE RESPONDED TO FEWER AND FEWER OF EITHER OF THEIR POLITICAL POSTS.  IT JUST GETS PROGRESSIVELY OLD TRYING TO ENGAGE IN LEGITIMATE POLITICAL DEBATE WITH EITHER OF THESE TWO.

11449
http://www.retakingamerica.com/clinton_scandal_1.html

Take your time buddy....I am have so much Demo-Crap chit to post it's pathetic.

NO THANKS.  I ALREADY KNOW HOW TO USE AN INTERNET SEARCH ENGINE, PROBABLY BETTER THAN YOU. I'D RATHER READ A POST BY YOU IN YOUR OWN WORDS.

11450
HOW MUCH TIME ARE WE ALLOWED?

11451
No comment from the board neo-cons yet. Interesting....

I TOO AWAIT THEIR RESPONSE.
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11452
No comment from the board neo-cons yet. Interesting....

I TOO AWAIT THEIR RESPONSE.

11453
Did anyone else notice the short reprieve we had from the jangled "thinking" and disrespectful behavior from Olds..t?

He just can't help himself.
 O0

WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM AN INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS NO REPECT FOR HIMSELF?

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YOU ALL SHOULD NOTICE JUST HOW LONG WORDS AND PROMISES WERE KEPT AND BY WHOM, HERE ON ONNIDAN. ALSO. PLEASE SEE MY WORDS BELOW THAT WERE POSTED ON NOVEMBER 2, 2009 HERE ON ONNIDAN AND SEE IF THEY ARE STILL APPROPRIATE THREE MONTHS LATER.  

TAKE A LOOK AT THE THREAD RECENTLY INITIATED BY 'OLDSPORT' ON THE DEATH, THE DEATH MIND YOU OF CONGRESSMAN JACK MURTHA.  REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOUR POLITICAL BELIEFS MAY BE, NO ONE DESERVES THAT KIND OF DISRESPECT IN DEATH.   THAT IS WHAT I MEANT WHEN I EARLIER POSTED THAT THIS INDIVIDUAL HAS ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE OF PERSONAL RESPECT OR PROPRITY, LET ALONE ANY RESPECT FOR OTHERS.  THIS IS ALSO WHY I HAVE NO RESPECT FOR HIM NOR EVEN TAKE THE TIME TO POST ANYTHING ON ANY POST HE HAS INITIATED.  IT IS A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME TO EVEN ATTEMPT TO ENGAGE IN ANY MANNER OF RATIONAL DISCOURSE WITH THAT INDIVIDUAL.  ...AND THE REALLY SAD THING IS THAT I AM CERTAIN IT IS NO JOKE, OR ATTEMPT TO GET A RESPONSE FROM OTHERS ON ONNIDAN.  WHAT HE POSTS HE REALLY BELIEVES.  THE WAY HE ENGAGES WITH PEOPLE IS REAL.  I DO HOWEVER BELIEVE THAT HE IS A WEAK  AND SAD INDIVIDUAL WHO HIDES BEHIND THE ANONIMINITY (sp?) OF ONNIDAN AND THAT HE WOULD NOT ENGAGE A PERSON IN REAL LIFE THE WAY HE CHOOSES TO DO ON THE INTERNET.

THIS IS NEED I REMIND YOU, IS THE SAME INDIVIDUAL WHO PROUDLY HAS CHARACTERIZED HIMSELF AS AN "A--HOLE" ON ONNIDAN.

Achtung!

YES.  YOU CONTINUE TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT YOU ARE A SELF-CHARACTERIZED "A--HOLE".

11455
I INVITE A RESPONSIBLE REPLY TO MY POST IMMEDIATELY BELOW.

11456
YOU ALL SHOULD NOTICE JUST HOW LONG WORDS AND PROMISES WERE KEPT AND BY WHOM, HERE ON ONNIDAN. ALSO. PLEASE SEE MY WORDS BELOW THAT WERE POSTED ON NOVEMBER 2, 2009 HERE ON ONNIDAN AND SEE IF THEY ARE STILL APPROPRIATE THREE MONTHS LATER.  

TAKE A LOOK AT THE THREAD RECENTLY INITIATED BY 'OLDSPORT' ON THE DEATH, THE DEATH MIND YOU OF CONGRESSMAN JACK MURTHA.  REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOUR POLITICAL BELIEFS MAY BE, NO ONE DESERVES THAT KIND OF DISRESPECT IN DEATH.   THAT IS WHAT I MEANT WHEN I EARLIER POSTED THAT THIS INDIVIDUAL HAS ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE OF PERSONAL RESPECT OR PROPRITY, LET ALONE ANY RESPECT FOR OTHERS.  THIS IS ALSO WHY I HAVE NO RESPECT FOR HIM NOR EVEN TAKE THE TIME TO POST ANYTHING ON ANY POST HE HAS INITIATED.  IT IS A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME TO EVEN ATTEMPT TO ENGAGE IN ANY MANNER OF RATIONAL DISCOURSE WITH THAT INDIVIDUAL.  ...AND THE REALLY SAD THING IS THAT I AM CERTAIN IT IS NO JOKE, OR ATTEMPT TO GET A RESPONSE FROM OTHERS ON ONNIDAN.  WHAT HE POSTS HE REALLY BELIEVES.  THE WAY HE ENGAGES WITH PEOPLE IS REAL.  I DO HOWEVER BELIEVE THAT HE IS A WEAK  AND SAD INDIVIDUAL WHO HIDES BEHIND THE ANONIMINITY (sp?) OF ONNIDAN AND THAT HE WOULD NOT ENGAGE A PERSON IN REAL LIFE THE WAY HE CHOOSES TO DO ON THE INTERNET.

THIS IS NEED I REMIND YOU, IS THE SAME INDIVIDUAL WHO PROUDLY HAS CHARACTERIZED HIMSELF AS AN "A--HOLE" ON ONNIDAN.

11457
Politics / Re: The Bush Years - The BIG ZERO
« on: December 29, 2009, 03:29:46 PM »
SIMPLY INCREDIBLE.

11458
General Discussion Forum / Re: Fried Turkey
« on: November 17, 2009, 06:07:33 PM »
I'VE DISCUSSED THIS TOPIC AD NAUSEUM FOR THE LAST 3 THANKSGIVINGS.  I WILL BE DOING 2-3 AGIAN THIS YEAR.  I AM HAVE A "TFB" WITH OAK LEAF CLUSTERS.  ANYONE WANTING TIPS?   HIT ME VIA E-MAIL.  DON'T WANNA BORE FOLKS WITH MY TURKEY FRYING ADVENTURES OF THE LAST 15 YEARS.  :lol:

11459
It`s rare that I post here. I never agreed to it. Because certain people here have never posted a thing on here when they didn`t disrespect or call somebody a name. But i will leave it with these words for that person.

If you disrespect everybody that you run into, How in the world do you anyone supposed to respect you.
thank Staple Singers.

 :nod: :clap: :bow: :clap: :nod:

Respect yourself - The Staple Singers - via YouTube


Take Care!


YOU HAVE A LEGITIMATE POINT, HOWEVER YOU MUST ALSO CONSIDER THIS.  THERE IS A DISTINCT DIFFERENCE IN NAME CALLING AS HARMLESS "JONING" AS OPPOSED TO NAME CALLING WITH THE SOLE INTENT TO DISRESPECT OTHERS SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH THEIR POLITICAL BELIEFS.  I BELIEVE WE ALL ARE CAPABLE OF DISTINGUISHING BETWEEN THE TWO.  THERE ARE MANY ON ONNIDAN WITH WHOM I VILOLENTLY DISAGREE WITH THEIR POLITICS AND YET CAN STILL ENGAGE IN A MEANINGFUL AND RESPECTFUL DEBATE WITHOUT RESORTING TO NAME CALLING.  THERE ARE YET OTHERS WITH WHOM I BOTH DISAGREE WITH POLITICALLY AND HAVE NO RESPECT FOR BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO SENSE OF HONOR, OR INTEGRITY AND CAN BE COUNTED ON TO RENEGE ON THEIR WORD AS OFTEN AS MOST PEOPLE CHANGE THEIR UNDERWEAR.  THESE TYPES OF INDIVIDUALS WILL NEVER HAVE MY RESPECT.  I EVEN WONDER HOW THEY INTERACT WITH THE FAMILY, PEERS AND CO-WORKERS.  I WONDER IF THEY DO THESE THINGS TO SIMPLY GET A RISE OUT OF OTHERS OR ARE THEY REALLY  THAT MENTALLY UNSTABLE.  THERE ARE OTHERS WHO DENEGRATE THEMSELVES IN THIS, A VERY OPEN AND PUBLIC FORUM SO IT COMES AS NO SURPRISE THAT THEY IMMEDIATELY RESORT TO NAME CALLING.  THEY HAVE NO PERSONAL RESPECT SO WHY SHOULD WE EXPECT THEM TO RESPECT OTHERS.  THERE ARE OTHERS WHO ARE APPARENTLY INCAPABLE OR UNWILLING TO ENGAGE IN A DEBATE IN THEIR OWN WORDS YET WHO POST THE WORDS AND THOUGHTS OF OTHERS, DISPLAYING A CAPABILITY TO QUOTE OTHERS BUT APPARENTLY NO CAPABILITY OF EXPRESSION OF ORIGINAL THOUGHT.   I USUALLY DO NOT GO OUT OF MY WAY TO PERSONALLY INSULT OTHERS.   I HAVE HOWEVER ON OCCASION BEEN GUILTY OF THIS FAILING, BEEN CALLED OUT ON IT AND AFTER RECOGNIZING MY FAULT APPOLOGIZED TO THE INDIVIDUAL I HAVE INSULTED.   HOWEVER, I WILL AND CAN BE COUNTED ON TO RESPOND IMMEDIATELY AND IN KIND TO A PERSONAL INSULT.

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EVERYONE ON ONNIDAN HAS THE RIGHT TO EXPOUSE THEIR OPINION REGARDLESS OF WHO ELSE AGREE WITH IT OR NOT.  BUT I ALSO HAVE THE RIGHT TO EXPOSE INDIVIDUALS FOR WHAT THEY ARE.  I INVITE ALL TO RE-EXAMINE THIS POST AND SEE WHO THE INDIVIDUALS ARE WHO AGREED EARLIEST TO SUPPORT IT AND THEN SEE PRECISELY HOW LONG THEY KEPT THEIR WORD.  EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO CHANGE THEIR OPINIONS ALSO.   I JUST WANT IT TO BE MADE VERY CLEAR TO ALL NEWCOMERS, WHO THE INDIVIDUALS WHO POST ON ONNIDAN ARE AND JUST HOW MUCH INTEGRITY AND HONESTLY THEY HAVE WHEN YOU CONSIDER THEIR POSTS AND WHAT MESSAGE THEY ARE REALLY ATTEMPTING TO PUT ON THIS BULLETIN BOARD.

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BELOW IS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW MUCH "A--HOLE" CAN BE COUNTED ON TO KEEP HIS WORD.  ...AND IN CASE ANYONE HAS FORGOTTEN. "A--HOLE" IS A TERM THAT THIS INDIVIDUAL CHOSE TO CHARACTERIZED HIMSELF BY AND NOT A TERM THAT I SIMPLY CHOOSE TO IDENTIFY HIM WITH.  BELOW ARE HIS OWN WORDS POSTED ON OCT 7, 2009.
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     Re: Disrepecting, name calling & insulting Titles of Threads by O-dan Posters
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2009, 04:41:35 PM »   
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Okay Twin. I'll sign on.


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