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Politics / Re: Allen West - Speaks Truth

« on: January 04, 2011, 10:54:35 AM »

How is exactly is the  Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010  the "antitheisis" of who we are as a nation.  

That just sounds like some over the top Tea Party rhetoric.

He still may turn out to be a good Congressman. I'm not ready to write him off just yet.

 

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Politics / Re: Allen West - Speaks Truth

« on: January 03, 2011, 08:27:14 PM »

I'll reserve comment about Mr. West who just happens to be my Congressman.  

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Politics / Re: Leftest (socialist/communist) call for Civil Unrest In America

« on: January 03, 2011, 02:23:02 PM »

GOP congressional candidate Stephen Broden says violent overthrow of government is 'on the table'

09:06 AM CDT on Friday, October 22, 2010

WASHINGTON – Republican congressional candidate Stephen Broden stunned his party Thursday, saying he would not rule out violent overthrow of the government if elections did not produce a change in leadership.

In a rambling exchange during a TV interview, Broden, a South Dallas pastor, said a violent uprising "is not the first option," but it is "on the table." That drew a quick denunciation from the head of the Dallas County GOP, who called the remarks "inappropriate."

In the interview, Brad Watson, political reporter for WFAA-TV (Channel , asked Broden about a tea party event last year in Fort Worth in which he described the nation's government as tyrannical.

"We have a constitutional remedy," Broden said then. "And the Framers say if that don't work, revolution."

Watson asked if his definition of revolution included violent overthrow of the government. In a prolonged back-and-forth, Broden at first declined to explicitly address insurrection, saying the first way to deal with a repressive government is to "alter it or abolish it."

 "If the government is not producing the results or has become destructive to the ends of our liberties, we have a right to get rid of that government and to get rid of it by any means necessary," Broden said, adding the nation was founded on a violent revolt against Britain's King George III.

Watson asked if violence would be in option in 2010, under the current government.

"The option is on the table. I don't think that we should remove anything from the table as it relates to our liberties and our freedoms," Broden said, without elaborating. "However, it is not the first option."

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/102210dnmetbroden.1b2338185.html


All this proves is that you have extremist on both sides of the aisle.  Oldsport is attempting to make a mountain out of a mole hill. That video he posted is nothing but a buch of sound bites taken out of context and strung together.   

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Politics / Re: Michael Steele announces he's running for re-election

« on: January 03, 2011, 07:06:50 AM »

Cooning for another man's approval will never garner you any respect...

                             Signed: Iceman4221   01/02/2011 

Come on man. There is no need to say he was cooning. It's enough for me to say he just wasn't up to the task. 

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Politics / Re: Chicago mayoral race

« on: January 03, 2011, 07:05:28 AM »

black ministers need to stay out of politics.  is a black mayor in chicago good for chicago. 

How you figure?  There are plenty of White ministers involved in politics. I don't know how well Braun or Davis would perform as mayor of Chicago. However, I don't have any reason to believe Rahm Emanuel or the two hispanics candidates would perform any better.

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General Discussion Forum / Re: and folks wonder WHY I no longer go to the movie theaters?

« on: January 02, 2011, 09:46:11 PM »

There is a larger issue here. This isn't just about being able to enjoy a movie without people yapping.

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Politics / Re: Chicago mayoral race

« on: January 02, 2011, 08:26:55 PM »

I prefer voters having the opportunity to vote for candidates who have the public's best interest in mind. It is not tremendously important to me that Chicago has a black mayor.

I just don't like the idea of those who are making such decisions feeling like they have to protect the voters by presenting a consensus candidate without determining if the public -- namely blacks -- would approve of that.

It's like they don't trust voters to make a quality decision or something.

What makes you think that most Black voters don't approve what happened?

What makes you think most black voters do approve of what has transpired?  

Prior to Davis dropping out the local black caucus named him their "consensus" candidate for mayor. Now a few weeks later it's Braun? I don't understand it at all.  

I don't know that most Black voters approve of what transpired.  You suggested that this was done without determinining whether Blacks would approve of that.   Maybe some numbers were crunched and a  determination was made that if both Davis and Braun ran, neither would get elected.

Congressman Danny Davis says that, at the behest of various black ministers, he and Carol Moseley Braun will meet again later today to discuss whether one of them should drop out of the race for Chicago mayor.  The two longtime friends—the leading African American candidates in the contest—met on Christmas Eve to talk shop about the campaign.  

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/Felsenthal-Files/December-2010/Danny-Davis-Ministers-want-a-single-black-candidate-Rev-nbsp-Jesse-Jackson-brokering/

I know that this is not conclusive proof that most Black people preferred that there be only one black candidate but giving the historical role that the Black church has played in Black politics, it's pretty good circumstantial evidence in my opinion.  

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Politics / Re: Chicago mayoral race

« on: January 02, 2011, 08:08:12 PM »

I prefer voters having the opportunity to vote for candidates who have the public's best interest in mind. It is not tremendously important to me that Chicago has a black mayor.

I just don't like the idea of those who are making such decisions feeling like they have to protect the voters by presenting a consensus candidate without determining if the public -- namely blacks -- would approve of that.

It's like they don't trust voters to make a quality decision or something.

Maybe most Black in Chicago don't see it the way you see it.  Maybe most Black voters in Chicago would like to see Braun or Davis as their next mayor.  Maybe most Black voters believe rightly or wrongly, that neither Braun nor Davis could get enough white votes to win if both of them were in the race.

What makes you think that most Black voters don't approve what happened?     For all we know, this is exactly what most Black voters in Chicago wanted to happen -- one Black candidate to give us the best chance of having a Black elected. Can you say with any degree of confidence that that is not what most Black voters desired?  

If you have two highly qualified Black candidates, thier votes are likely to be split 50/50, if neither one of them could draw a large enough percentage of white votes to overcome that split, then they both lose out.  However, if there is only one Black candidate, and that candidate gets 90% of the Black vote, then that candidate will need less White votes to win.

I know you understand the realities of the math. What makes you think Black voters don't understand the realities of the math.  

Apparently, Mr. Davis understands it. He wasn't force to drop out, he chose to do so.

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Politics / Re: oldsport is 100 percent right about michelle 'my belle' obama

« on: January 02, 2011, 07:57:37 PM »

the thing is you people claimed that oldsport calling her michelle 'my belle' was insulting.  the truth is the president enjoyed the song and even knew all the words.  

i have never heard rush call her that.  i rarely listen to rush.  i listen to rev. al more.  i listen to jack gravely almost weekday.  jack gravely has never called her that.  i might ask him why.  

This comment doesn't make much sense to me.  I think Oldsport uses the phrase "Michelle by belle" because he heard Rush Limbaugh do it.  It strains credulity to think that either Oldsport or Rush Limbaugh meant "Michelle by belle" as a term of endearment.  

What exactly is Oldsport 100% right about.  

Valley Girl's point is well taken by me, its the context in which the phrase is used which determines the intent of the speaker. It seems to me that everytime Oldsport used the phrase "Micelle by belle," it was followed by some critical or insulting comment.

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Politics / Re: Chicago mayoral race

« on: January 02, 2011, 07:39:23 PM »

wildman, that could happen if there are no black candidates.  it is not the color of the candidate that matters.  it is the candidate's platform.

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In some cases, it maybe true that the color of the candidate will not matter.  In a perfect world it would be true in all cases but we don't live in a perfect world. I believe in most cases with all other things being relatively equal, race will be a determinative factor.

As I stated earlier, if having a Black mayor is very important (and that depends on one's personal political views ),  then having one Black candidate in the race makes a lot of sense.

Obvioulsly Mr. Davis does not agree with your views.    

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Politics / Re: Chicago mayoral race

« on: January 02, 2011, 07:35:27 PM »

the point is the black guy should not be dropping out now so ms. braun can run.  this decision should have been made behind closed doors and only ms. braun should run.  

devin, the bottom line is if you want to run you should run.  nobody should tell you not to run.  anything can happen.  five years ago very few people in virginia knew who jim webb was.  now he is the junior senator.  

also, smart voters will vote for what is best for them and their household.  ms. braun might not be the best candidate for all blacks in chicago.  

has anyone looked at the polls in the chicago mayor's race.

Seems like you are just throwing stuff against the wall hoping it sticks.

If most of the Black people or Black leaders in Chicago think it very important to have a Black mayor, and know that the best chance of having a Black mayor elected is to only have one Black candidate, then this understandable.  Apparently the Black political leaders, including Braun and Davis have concluded that neither Braun or Davis could garner enough white  votes to win if both of them stayed in the race.

This really isn't that complicated.

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Politics / Re: oldsport is 100 percent right about michelle 'my belle' obama

« on: January 02, 2011, 07:29:05 PM »

I think that Rush Limbaugh has been calling the First Lady "Michelle by belle" since Obama was elected.

You pop cultural illiterates don't get it.

Get what? I think you started calling her that because you heard Rush Limbaugh call her that. I knew that the Beatles had a hit song titled "Michelle" which included the line "Michelle by Belle."

How the hell does Paul McCartney singing the song at a concert make you 100% right?  

Right about what?  

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Politics / Re: Chicago mayoral race

« on: January 02, 2011, 07:19:41 PM »

I may be off, but I think what Devin is asking- Why has the issue have to be about a "Black" candidate running as opposed to anyone running, including multiple Black candidates, that has the best interest of their constituents at heart?

Right. That is what I mean. Why can't there be more than one black candidate running in a race? I personally think more options are better. What if black voters don't like the single black candidate?

What if you have two equally qualified Black candidates who split the Black vote, and another candidate wins? What if the most of the Black people would prefer one of the Black candidates over any of the other candidates. Then, the Blacks would end up with their third choice or someone theyt really didn't want instead of their second choice.  Would you prefer that?

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Politics / Re: Chicago mayoral race

« on: January 02, 2011, 05:30:41 PM »

rahm is also the jewish candidate.  

if it was really important to the black so called leaders in chicago to have a black candidate this would have never been made public.  the decision would have been made behind closed doors.  there would have been one serious black candidate.  the others would have been fringe candidates with no juice what so ever.  

that black candidate is not running for mayor of black chicago.  that candidate is running for mayor of chicago.  as long as that candidate keeps that in mind and distance him/herself from divisive blacks he/she will have a good chance to win.

I don't know what point you are trying to make. 

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Politics / Re: Chicago mayoral race

« on: January 02, 2011, 05:07:54 PM »

I may be off, but I think what Devin is asking- Why has the issue have to be about a "Black" candidate running as opposed to anyone running, including multiple Black candidates, that has the best interest of their constituents at heart?

That is why I said it was a personal matter as to the importance of having a Black mayor.  I guess in a perfect world the race of the candidate would be a non-issue. However we don't live in a perfect world.

Race is still important factor in politics and other social interactions. If a Black candidate and a White candidate are fairly similar in terms of their qualifications, background, and where they stand on the issues, then race may very well be the determinative factor.