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Sports Forum / Re: CIAA appears to have changed rules
« on: November 04, 2019, 01:18:48 PM »
As a graduate of two (2) CIAA schools I have been following CIAA Football since my playing days of 1986-1990 (when Chubb Rock jumped up on the scene).  I think I know the CIAA as well as anyone else ant the CIAA is full of “dodoo” when it comes to their new made up Football championship rules.

In the past all games against conference teams were not considered conference games but all designated conference games and head to head competition mattered.  My mind has been trained that way.

Now if the CIAA wanted Winston in the championship game representing the south because their fans travel better than other schools then say so and say it’s about money because teams/schools make no money off the championship football game only the CIAA and the city where it is played.

Fayetteville State has earned the right to play in the CIAA FOOTBALL Championship and it should already be a done deal.  SMH@CIAA

And that's not what's happening now. Our game vs Bowie State was considered non-conference. It's simple...best division % wins the division. Win Saturday and you're fine.

I agree with FSUHALL on this one, the head to head used to matter more than the division record up until this weekend when the CIAA posted a new criteria. 

It used to be total conference record first and then head to head was the first level for tie breaker.  Shaw has two conference losses (VSU and FSU) and FSU only has one with a lose to St Augs.  So under the previous rule FSU would have locked in their spot because if they lose to WSSU, and Shaw beats St Augs, the conference records of both schools would be 5-2 and FSU would have the head to head victory over Shaw.

I do too....I remember the old way. But if this was the rule from the beginning of the season then so be it.

Agreed, if it was the rule since the beginning of the season.  Can't seem to find the bylaws online to confirm if/when the tie-breaker rules were actually changed.

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Sports Forum / Re: CIAA appears to have changed rules
« on: November 04, 2019, 11:45:20 AM »
As a graduate of two (2) CIAA schools I have been following CIAA Football since my playing days of 1986-1990 (when Chubb Rock jumped up on the scene).  I think I know the CIAA as well as anyone else ant the CIAA is full of “dodoo” when it comes to their new made up Football championship rules.

In the past all games against conference teams were not considered conference games but all designated conference games and head to head competition mattered.  My mind has been trained that way.

Now if the CIAA wanted Winston in the championship game representing the south because their fans travel better than other schools then say so and say it’s about money because teams/schools make no money off the championship football game only the CIAA and the city where it is played.

Fayetteville State has earned the right to play in the CIAA FOOTBALL Championship and it should already be a done deal.  SMH@CIAA

And that's not what's happening now. Our game vs Bowie State was considered non-conference. It's simple...best division % wins the division. Win Saturday and you're fine.

I agree with FSUHALL on this one, the head to head used to matter more than the division record up until this weekend when the CIAA posted a new criteria. 

It used to be total conference record first and then head to head was the first level for tie breaker.  Shaw has two conference losses (VSU and FSU) and FSU only has one with a lose to St Augs.  So under the previous rule FSU would have locked in their spot because if they lose to WSSU, and Shaw beats St Augs, the conference records of both schools would be 5-2 and FSU would have the head to head victory over Shaw.

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Sports Forum / Re: TICKETS PUNCHED TO CIAA FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP
« on: November 04, 2019, 09:57:55 AM »
Now I don't know who wrote this article but it's not a done deal just yet. Both Shaw and FSU are 3-1 in the South. FSU did beat Shaw, but if FSU lays an egg at WSSU like they did last season, Shaw goes to the ship with a win over St. Aug.

I think FSU has already clinched a ticket. Shaw already has two conference loses and FSU has only one. Even if WSSU beats FSU, they would still own the tie breaker because of their win over Shaw. They would be tied in the overall conference, and also tied in the Southern Division, so their head to head would be the tie breaker. Its the team that has the most conference wins that wins the division... not who has the best divisional wins.

That's how it used to be, but it seems like the conference randomly changed the rules this year.

WHO IS YOUR CIAA-SOUTH FAVORITE TO WIN THE CIAA TITLE?  :popcorn:

I don't even really know what you are asking because I don't think anyone said a South team would be the favorite in a game with Bowie.

The only point I have been making is that FSU should have already earned their spot into the game, but that the conference has randomly changed the rule.  Now granted I think Shaw has a better chance at beating y'all then FSU, but that still doesn't mean I think either team is favored against Bowie.

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Sports Forum / Re: TICKETS PUNCHED TO CIAA FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP
« on: November 04, 2019, 09:36:17 AM »
Now I don't know who wrote this article but it's not a done deal just yet. Both Shaw and FSU are 3-1 in the South. FSU did beat Shaw, but if FSU lays an egg at WSSU like they did last season, Shaw goes to the ship with a win over St. Aug.

I think FSU has already clinched a ticket. Shaw already has two conference loses and FSU has only one. Even if WSSU beats FSU, they would still own the tie breaker because of their win over Shaw. They would be tied in the overall conference, and also tied in the Southern Division, so their head to head would be the tie breaker. Its the team that has the most conference wins that wins the division... not who has the best divisional wins.

That's how it used to be, but it seems like the conference randomly changed the rules this year.

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Sports Forum / Re: TICKETS PUNCHED TO CIAA FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP
« on: November 04, 2019, 09:35:12 AM »
CIAA is full of sh!t when it comes to the tie breaker rule for football.  Year in and year out they seem to randomly change the requirements to try and artificially make the regular season games count as long as they can.

Last year the tie breaker requirements were (https://theciaa.com/news/2018/10/30/2018-ciaa-football-report-week-8-championship-scenarios.aspx):

•The Northern and Southern Division winners will be determined by the highest winning percentage of conference games won based on the six game conference schedule. (it was a 6 game conference schedule because of the storms that cancelled a lot of games)
•In case of a tie between divisional teams, the winner shall be determined as follows: 
◦Head-to-Head Competition
◦Head-to Head Point Differential
◦Divisional Winning Percentage
◦Results vs. Common Conference Opponents
◦Coin Toss

However this year they have randomly decided to flip the head to head requirement with the divisional win requirement.  That serves as a real chance to screw FSU (https://theciaa.com/news/2019/11/1/2019-ciaa-football-weekly-report-9.aspx):

1.      In case of a tie between divisional teams, the winner shall be determined as follows:
     a.      Divisional Win Percentage
     b.      Head-to-Head Competition
     c.      Results vs. Common Conference Opponents (to include point differential)
     d.      Coin Toss

If I am FSU I am pissed because based off of last year's interpretation they would already be in.  Now if we beat them and Shaw wins they are out.


HEY A--HOLE.  BE A BIT MORE CAREFUL WHEN YOU POST.  I NEVER POSTED ANYTHING ABOUT A TIE BREAKER ROLE.  I REALLY COULD GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT WHO OUR CIAA-SOUTH FOE IS OR WILL BE.  :popcorn:

If you are addressing me then you are way out of line.  Nothing in my post was directed toward you or Bowie.  You made a post about tickets, which means more than 1, being punched for the CIAA championship.  Then the write up you posted said FSU was in the championship game.  I agree that FSU should be in the championship game, but as Gambling 93 pointed out the South is not a done deal.  It's not a done deal because the CIAA has randomly changed the rule this year, which is what my post was about.

Dude I didn't come at you in anyway but it appears something got in you @$$ this morning so you can calm that mess down.

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Sports Forum / Re: TICKETS PUNCHED TO CIAA FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP
« on: November 04, 2019, 09:12:36 AM »
CIAA is full of sh!t when it comes to the tie breaker rule for football.  Year in and year out they seem to randomly change the requirements to try and artificially make the regular season games count as long as they can.

Last year the tie breaker requirements were (https://theciaa.com/news/2018/10/30/2018-ciaa-football-report-week-8-championship-scenarios.aspx):

•The Northern and Southern Division winners will be determined by the highest winning percentage of conference games won based on the six game conference schedule. (it was a 6 game conference schedule because of the storms that cancelled a lot of games)
•In case of a tie between divisional teams, the winner shall be determined as follows: 
◦Head-to-Head Competition
◦Head-to Head Point Differential
◦Divisional Winning Percentage
◦Results vs. Common Conference Opponents
◦Coin Toss

However this year they have randomly decided to flip the head to head requirement with the divisional win requirement.  That serves as a real chance to screw FSU (https://theciaa.com/news/2019/11/1/2019-ciaa-football-weekly-report-9.aspx):

1.      In case of a tie between divisional teams, the winner shall be determined as follows:
     a.      Divisional Win Percentage
     b.      Head-to-Head Competition
     c.      Results vs. Common Conference Opponents (to include point differential)
     d.      Coin Toss

If I am FSU I am pissed because based off of last year's interpretation they would already be in.  Now if we beat them and Shaw wins they are out.

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Sports Forum / Re: D2 Regional Rankings
« on: October 28, 2019, 04:50:11 PM »
PLAYOFFS, PLAYOFFS? AIN'T NOBODY TALKING ABOUT PLAYOFFS YET.

WE NEED TO FIRST CONCENTRATE AND WIN THE CIAA NORTH, FIRST.  ;D
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Top 7 teams from each region make it to the playoffs, unless the Earned Access rule comes into play.  There has also been a big change this year.  The top 4 teams in the Region are ranked and the last three are at large and could be moved into a different region to cut down on travel costs and/or to avoid first round rematches.

SUPER REGION ONE   
1 Kutztown 8-0 8-0
2 Slippery Rock 7-0 8-0
3 Notre Dame (OH) 8-0 8-0
4 Indiana (PA) 7-1 7-1
5 West Virginia St. 6-1 6-1
6 West Chester 7-1 7-1
7 Urbana 6-2 6-2
8 Shepherd 6-2 6-2
9 Tiffin 7-1 7-1
10 Ohio Dominican 5-2 5-2
   
SUPER REGION TWO   
1 Valdosta St. 8-0 8-0
2 Lenoir-Rhyne 8-0 8-0
3 Bowie St. 7-0 8-0
4 Wingate 8-0 8-0
5 West Florida 5-1 5-1
6 Carson-Newman 5-2 5-2
7 Virginia St. 6-1 6-1
8 Mississippi Col. 4-2 4-2
9 Virginia Union 5-2 5-2
10 Albany St. (GA) 5-3 5-3
   
SUPER REGION THREE   
1 Ferris St. 7-0 8-0
2 Central Mo. 8-0 8-0
3 UIndy 7-0 7-0
4 Ouachita Baptist 8-0 8-0
5 Harding 7-1 7-1
6 Northwest Mo. St. 7-1 7-1
7 Grand Valley St. 5-1 7-1
8 Missouri Western 6-2 6-2
9 Fort Hays St. 6-2 6-2
10 Henderson St. 7-1 7-1
   
SUPER REGION FOUR   
1 Tarleton St. 6-0 6-0
2 Minnesota St. 8-0 8-0
3 Colo. Sch. of Mines 8-0 8-0
4 Colorado St.-Pueblo 7-1 7-1
5 Angelo St. 7-1 7-1
6 Tex. A&M-Commerce 5-2 5-2
7 Augustana (SD) 6-2 6-2
8 Sioux Falls 6-2 6-2
9 Winona St. 6-2 6-2
10 West Tex. A&M 5-2 6-2

I can respect that, but you know y'all will handle Lincoln and ECSU.  Win or lose in the CIAA championship game you guys should be locks for the playoffs.

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Sports Forum / D2 Regional Rankings
« on: October 28, 2019, 04:40:41 PM »
Top 7 teams from each region make it to the playoffs, unless the Earned Access rule comes into play.  There has also been a big change this year.  The top 4 teams in the Region are ranked and the last three are at large and could be moved into a different region to cut down on travel costs and/or to avoid first round rematches.

New playoff rules - https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/football/d2/2019-20D2MFB_BracketingInitiative.pdf

SUPER REGION ONE   
1 Kutztown 8-0 8-0
2 Slippery Rock 7-0 8-0
3 Notre Dame (OH) 8-0 8-0
4 Indiana (PA) 7-1 7-1
5 West Virginia St. 6-1 6-1
6 West Chester 7-1 7-1
7 Urbana 6-2 6-2
8 Shepherd 6-2 6-2
9 Tiffin 7-1 7-1
10 Ohio Dominican 5-2 5-2
   
SUPER REGION TWO   
1 Valdosta St. 8-0 8-0
2 Lenoir-Rhyne 8-0 8-0
3 Bowie St. 7-0 8-0
4 Wingate 8-0 8-0
5 West Florida 5-1 5-1
6 Carson-Newman 5-2 5-2
7 Virginia St. 6-1 6-1
8 Mississippi Col. 4-2 4-2
9 Virginia Union 5-2 5-2
10 Albany St. (GA) 5-3 5-3
   
SUPER REGION THREE   
1 Ferris St. 7-0 8-0
2 Central Mo. 8-0 8-0
3 UIndy 7-0 7-0
4 Ouachita Baptist 8-0 8-0
5 Harding 7-1 7-1
6 Northwest Mo. St. 7-1 7-1
7 Grand Valley St. 5-1 7-1
8 Missouri Western 6-2 6-2
9 Fort Hays St. 6-2 6-2
10 Henderson St. 7-1 7-1
   
SUPER REGION FOUR   
1 Tarleton St. 6-0 6-0
2 Minnesota St. 8-0 8-0
3 Colo. Sch. of Mines 8-0 8-0
4 Colorado St.-Pueblo 7-1 7-1
5 Angelo St. 7-1 7-1
6 Tex. A&M-Commerce 5-2 5-2
7 Augustana (SD) 6-2 6-2
8 Sioux Falls 6-2 6-2
9 Winona St. 6-2 6-2
10 West Tex. A&M 5-2 6-2

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Y'all Saints fans are delusional but at least y'all make for a good laugh.  Your team has been around since 1967 but didn't become relevant until 06.  Before Brees and Payton got there you legit only won your division twice in 39 seasons. You've been playing since 1967 with 7 division championships, Panthers have only been around since 95 and already have 6. 

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Sports Forum / Re: BOWIE MOVES UP TO #15 IN THE AFCA POLL.
« on: October 23, 2019, 09:11:20 AM »
This the CIAA game of the year , #15 Bowie State vs #25 VUU

I AM CONVINCED THAT THE WINNER OF THIS GAME, WINS THE CIAA CHAMPIONSHIP.  :popcorn:

It could very well wind up that way. :nod:
Of coarse it does. Do you really think FSU has a chance...? WSSU is the only chance of a Southern Division team winning, and us making it probably won't happen. So the winner of your game can start the party as soon as its over.  :clap: I beat is for ya'll to win, and to win some games in the playoffs.

Bowie can start the party if they win, but if VUU wins they still have to worry about a good VSU team.

WE DEFEATED VSU LAST WEEKEND 24-14. I DON'T EXPECT THEM TO BE IN THE AFCA POLL AS THEY ALSO ALREADY LOST TO VUU.

I wasn't referencing the AFCA Poll, I'm talking about winning the North Division.  If VUU were to beat you guys on Saturday then they still have to worry about VSU.  A VSU win in that scenario could lead to a 3 way tie of 6-1 teams.  At that point the tiebreaker rule would come out.

BOWIE IS 7-0.  NOT YET SURE HOW THE TIE BREAKER PLAYS OUT?

Based off of the explanation the conference gave last year, assuming a three way tie with teams with a 6-1 conference record then the conference would look at head to head point differential between the schools.  Y'all beat VSU by 10 so if y'all lose to VUU it needs to be by less than 10 points, and then you would need VSU to beat VUU by 10 or less.

Now granted if y'all beat VUU this weekend none of this should matter.

https://theciaa.com/news/2018/10/30/2018-ciaa-football-report-week-8-championship-scenarios.aspx

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Sports Forum / Re: BOWIE MOVES UP TO #15 IN THE AFCA POLL.
« on: October 22, 2019, 04:22:00 PM »
This the CIAA game of the year , #15 Bowie State vs #25 VUU

I AM CONVINCED THAT THE WINNER OF THIS GAME, WINS THE CIAA CHAMPIONSHIP.  :popcorn:

It could very well wind up that way. :nod:
Of coarse it does. Do you really think FSU has a chance...? WSSU is the only chance of a Southern Division team winning, and us making it probably won't happen. So the winner of your game can start the party as soon as its over.  :clap: I beat is for ya'll to win, and to win some games in the playoffs.

Bowie can start the party if they win, but if VUU wins they still have to worry about a good VSU team.

WE DEFEATED VSU LAST WEEKEND 24-14. I DON'T EXPECT THEM TO BE IN THE AFCA POLL AS THEY ALSO ALREADY LOST TO VUU.

I wasn't referencing the AFCA Poll, I'm talking about winning the North Division.  If VUU were to beat you guys on Saturday then they still have to worry about VSU.  A VSU win in that scenario could lead to a 3 way tie of 6-1 teams.  At that point the tiebreaker rule would come out.

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Sports Forum / Re: BOWIE MOVES UP TO #15 IN THE AFCA POLL.
« on: October 22, 2019, 10:31:14 AM »
This the CIAA game of the year , #15 Bowie State vs #25 VUU

I AM CONVINCED THAT THE WINNER OF THIS GAME, WINS THE CIAA CHAMPIONSHIP.  :popcorn:

It could very well wind up that way. :nod:
Of coarse it does. Do you really think FSU has a chance...? WSSU is the only chance of a Southern Division team winning, and us making it probably won't happen. So the winner of your game can start the party as soon as its over.  :clap: I beat is for ya'll to win, and to win some games in the playoffs.

Bowie can start the party if they win, but if VUU wins they still have to worry about a good VSU team.

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Sports Forum / Re: WSSU heading to High Point to take on St. Aug's....
« on: October 21, 2019, 05:33:17 PM »
Thought this game would have been packed. 2k seems light

Very light.... and old! :D  Someone reminded me that the students are on Fall Break.  SMH. No such thing back in the day.

The 6:00 kickoff with the rain forecast also kept a lot of people away.

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Sports Forum / Re: BOWIE STATE CLIMBS TO #16 IN THE AFCA POLL
« on: October 17, 2019, 09:50:28 AM »
Do the better CIAA teams find it hard to schedule those top ranked teams to help their ranking

I wouldn't say that, as long as a school has somebody who is going out there to find those games.  The SAC and SIAC don't seem to have an issue scheduling games with us.  The issue is scheduling games with the GSC, but they tend to schedule more of the SIAC schools which makes sense from a distance standpoint.  For example VUU had recent series with Lenoir Rhyne and Carson Newman.  FSU has been playing Wingate lately, and WSSU has played Catawba a few times over the last few seasons.  St Augs and Shaw have also had consistent matchups with SAC schools.

As it relates to the GSC, in recent years, Chowan has played West FL and Delta State, Shaw played West Alabama, and WSSU had that two game series against Valdosta in ATL.  ECSU also had a home and home with Delta State and about beat them in 2011, that was the year that Delta State won the region and ECSU made the playoffs.

Bowie is in a tough position because they are closer to the SR1 schools and I doubt many of the SR2 schools want to take the long trip up there.  Also conferences like the PSAC and MEC only allow one out of conference game so I can only imagine how tough it gets for them to schedule games.

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I'm going to say this nicely....maybe WSSU need to take a look at a few things....it does seem one team is always centric to the ratchedness of the CIAA. Whether it be in a bathroom or in the handshake line....

I can't remember hearing of something similar at Shaw, FSU.....but y'all always seem to get caught up in it....maybe it's also sue to the fact that y'all get nice coverage locally too....but....where you smell the stench, lieth the turd.....
When you're hated by everyone in the Conference, this happens.

Our kids have to be disciplined and just worry about getting the win.

This behavior is why we're 2-4 and not 6-0.  Leave everything on the field during the game.

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Why is WSSU hated

The same reasons teams hate ya'll. When you win, people generally don't you... most of the time. But the fans look forward when winners come to visit, it's the people on the field that feels some kind of way.

Now you did win CI in 15 and 16 but the last 2 years has been below average

17 -6-4
18 -5-4
19 -2-4 ( So far)

So what is to hate

We haven't won the Southern Division the past two seasons due in part to our crossover results.  Teams in the Southern Division still get up to play us because we have owned the division in actual games played since we returned in 2010.  Shaw is the only team that has kept things competitive.

Records since 2010 return:

JCSU - 10-0
Livingstone - 9-0
FSU - 8-1
St Augs - 7-2
Shaw - 6-3

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