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Sports Forum / Re: Ivy League would rather a bowl game
« on: December 08, 2015, 04:54:40 PM »
So they would want to be in a bowl game, just not with us.


And you came to that conclusion how again?

The SWAC nor the MEAC or the Celebration Bowl was mentioned in the article.  It's like The Celebration Bowl doesn't even exist.


Thanks but I would rather he/she answer for themsleves


Quote
Beckett would like to see the Ivy League partner with a sister conference to play a bowl game sometime before Christmas at a warm weather site (we hear Orlando is nice this time of year.) The idea has generated interest within the Ivy League, but not everyone is on board just yet. Some would rather fight for inclusion in the national playoffs.

 


“The feasibility of a bowl game being approved is much greater than getting our champion into the playoffs,” Beckett said. “I think it would be a great experience and an appropriate ending for the champions of our league and the sister conference that would join us.”

 


• The Patriot or Pioneer leagues make the most sense to partner with the Ivies for a bowl game, though diminished a bit since both currently send their champions to the FCS playoffs.

 


Wishful thinking, perhaps, but we’d love to see the Ivy champ match up with a BCS program each December, even if it’s a 5-7 club from a Group of Five opponent. The potential of Yale playing, say, UTEP or East Carolina is appealing to us, though, we understand, not so much for the BCS representative.

http://www.nhregister.com/sports/20151205/sunday-gravy-ivy-league-closer-to-taking-plunge-into-basketballs-march-madness

From the article you posted...I bolded the passage.


You do realize  that is a writer wishful thinking? Not a representative of any Ivy League  school.  He's  so out of touch he's still referring to the BCS members that have long since been disbanded.

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Sports Forum / Re: FCS PLAYOFF ATTENDANCE WEEK 2
« on: December 08, 2015, 04:50:04 PM »
Really pulling for Alcorn too?   :shrug:   Who else would I be pulling for?




I am surprised at the level of support SWAC types are giving Alcorn.  Aren't you guys giving Alcorn the recruiting advantage?  If they do well on a national level, they are standing the chance to continue to out recruit the rest of  the conference.  I struggle with supporting my rival for that reason. 


Another big difference  between the two conferences but to answer your question. Alcorn is a representative of the SWAC just as Grambling /Southern  are when they are seen nationally across the country or whoever may be the two championships contenders in the SCG that is shown nationally across the country.

Any recruiter worth their salt will used that to their advantage. As we speak our recruiters are in the Atlanta area doing just that.

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Sports Forum / Re: Ivy League would rather a bowl game
« on: December 08, 2015, 02:23:29 PM »
So they would want to be in a bowl game, just not with us.


And you came to that conclusion how again?

The SWAC nor the MEAC or the Celebration Bowl was mentioned in the article.  It's like The Celebration Bowl doesn't even exist.


Thanks but I would rather he/she answer for themsleves

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Sports Forum / Re: Ivy League would rather a bowl game
« on: December 08, 2015, 01:08:53 PM »
So they would want to be in a bowl game, just not with us.


And you came to that conclusion how again?

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Sports Forum / Re: FCS PLAYOFF ATTENDANCE WEEK 2
« on: December 08, 2015, 01:06:59 PM »
Really pulling for Alcorn too?   :shrug:   Who else would I be pulling for?

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Sports Forum / Re: FCS PLAYOFF ATTENDANCE WEEK 2
« on: December 08, 2015, 12:23:54 PM »

Let's see if I have this correct. WE are a FCS division 1 conference. Have been since ....oh about 1978. But your intelligence tells you we can't compete on the FCS level because we loss to a PWI.

Nevermind that we played against the 7th rank team in the nation and a top SEC school. Held their Heisman candidate to only 34 yards in the first half .


But because we loss to a PWI by a large margin your intelligence tells you we can't compete.

Nevermind that you're  basically saying that no hbcu can compete on the FCS level. Nevermind the 25 times we have beaten them and the numerous time we've  blowned them out.

Your intelligence tells you we have to be perfect and can't lose any game against a PWI. Or if we lose it has to always be by a close margin or otherwise that means we can't compete.


Maybe this will help out.   Does this just about sums up what your intellect tells you?



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Sports Forum / Re: Ivy League would rather a bowl game
« on: December 08, 2015, 11:53:53 AM »
The bowl pairings come out Sunday, and it’s been a muddled process. Not enough teams have qualified for the 40 bowls, so college football has had to hold its nose and grant some 5-7 teams access to the post-season.

Don’t you remember the good old days when even some 7-4 teams didn’t make a bowl?

Actually, I have no problem with so many bowls. But I do have a problem with 5-7 teams in the postseason. Here’s my solution: Invite some I-AA teams into bowl games. Invite some Ivy League teams. Let Dartmouth and Harvard play in the Heart of Dallas Bowl or the Camellia Bowl. Invite Grambling State or Prairie View to one of the bowls that can’t fill a slot.

That would spice a post-season that sometimes is lacking.

Let’s go ahead and project the 40 bowls:

Let’s go ahead and project the 40 bowls:
http://m.newsok.com/article/5464853

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Sports Forum / Re: Ivy League would rather a bowl game
« on: December 08, 2015, 10:15:46 AM »
There is no such thing as a BCS anymore.

 :lol:

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Sports Forum / Re: FCS PLAYOFF ATTENDANCE WEEK 2
« on: December 08, 2015, 09:39:47 AM »
I agree with what Ram Fan and most of the MEACers are saying. What does the attendance of playoff games have to do with competing on the national level? Most MEAC fans want to know where they fit in comparison to everyone else on their level. Just read all those NCCU threads, and you can easily see that they have big dreams for their sports programs. I can understand them not wanting to play a whole season, just for a chance to participate in the Fried Chicken Bowl.

Besides, you would need to add the attendance of all the playoffs games a school participate in, and compare it to that one game that 24 HBCUs  are playing for. Just one playoff win gives a conference more national exposure than all five of the planed Chicken Bowls combined. WSSU playoff wins did more for us than playing in that Pioneer Bowl a few years ago.


No one ever said one had anything to do with the other. That's you Bitter Betty's argument to deflect  from the fact nobody gives a damn about the playoffs

Besides  who cares what you people at the D2 level think?  Nobody even moreso.  Ya'll can't even compete at this level so why you all insist on giving your half a pennies worth is beyond my.

How do they say it nowadays?  "Get your weight up"  then holla.  

Southern can't compete at FCS Level.  Look at your record against non HBCU FCS schools.  You get blown out.  

Maybe you should take your own advice about getting your weight up.

You guys played for SWAC title in 2014 and got blown out by a 4-7 Northwestern State team.  


And there it is.  That Sambo I need to have their approval to feel I'm worthy.   You see a couple of games that were blowout when bad teams were fielded. But ignore when the blowout were the reverse.

To top it off  clearly  some how getting blower out by another hbcu isn't that bad. Typical Sambo mentality.

So you agree you can't compete on FCS level.  A SWAC East Division Champ (not a bad Southern team) was blown out by a 4-7 FCS school from same state just last year.

You contradict yourself in your excuses.  You stated WSSU needs to get its weight up but your best at FCS level still gets blown out by bad Non HBCU FCS teams.

At least you can call yourself D1 though.




Bruh I don't think it's even remotely  more possible for you to get any more ignorant.

I just stated how some of you put more stock into a loss or win when it involves a PWI. But when it's  an hbcu it somehow isn't the same and you just prove my point.

Not to mention you had nothing to say about us blow in them out..  Typical Sambo mentality.  Plain and simple.


Now let me show you just how ignorant your logic is.  A P5 school blows another P5 SCHOOL out. Do you say they can't  compete?

My comments about you WSSU not being able to compete comes straight out the horse mouth and the FACT that they went scurring back to D2 only after one week of D1 football.  Those are the facts


BTW Einstein we weren't SWAC champs when we loss, We were 1-1 and that's the game when we were hit by the ncca for apr and we're force to play walk--on and freshman  the rest of the year.

We went on to win the WESTERN division and the SWAC title  with walks-on and freshmen.

But hey! Don't let the facts get in the way  of another great lie. Far be it for me to stop your joy

You wrote "My comments about you WSSU not being able to compete comes straight out the horse mouth and the FACT that they went scurring back to D2 only after one week of D1 football.  Those are the facts". How can a school change divisions in just one week as you wrote? The real fact is that we were never officially D1. Until you finish the transition period you are not considered D1. We would have stayed D1 if we had finished that process. But hey, the Great and Powerful Cat knows it all.  :lol: :no:


Ands semantics changes the fact that you couldn't compete how again?

Or that you didn't have a clue as to what you were talking about when discussing our 2014 championship run?


And you wonder why I don't respect what comes out of your mouth?  Half of the time is lies the other half it's  just pure ignorance.






One day, he was welcoming N.C. Central into the conference. The next day, he was watching Winston-Salem State leave.


"You are always disappointed when a member institution decides to move from your conference," Thomas said of WSSU's ending its transition to Division I. "But I respect their decision, and we wish Winston-Salem State well."

Thomas was caught off guard by the timing of the decision, unaware that one had been made until hearing about it from a reporter Friday afternoon. He said that Chancellor Donald Reaves of WSSU did call him over the weekend.

"He called, and I wished him well," Thomas said. "Dr. Reaves had alerted us to what the problems were, and that the resources in his judgment were not there."

WSSU -- which will stay in Division II and rejoin the CIAA -- paid $35,000 to join the MEAC. Thomas said that money will not be returned.

Despite WSSU's decision, Thomas said that the MEAC will honor its contract with the city of Winston-Salem and play its men's and women's basketball tournaments here through 2011, the first season WSSU would have been eligible.

"Nothing has changed," Thomas said of the tournaments. "Obviously we would have loved for Winston-Salem State to be part of our membership, but that won't be happening. But the city of Winston-Salem is strong enough and the leadership of Mayor (Allen) Joines and Bucky Dame, the coliseum director, is strong."

Dame said that everything is a go for the tournaments and that he doesn't know if WSSU's absence will affect attendance.

"We have an agreement, and everything is moving forward," he said. "(WSSU) didn't play in the tournament last year, so they weren't really part of the tournament except for the bonus game. We'll have to see if that impacted attendance or not."

Dame said he didn't know the status of the bonus game -- between the WSSU and N.C. Central men's teams -- but said he expects to discuss it with Thomas in a meeting today.

Thomas said: "That hasn't been determined as of yet."

N.C. Central, also in transition to Division I, will not be eligible for the MEAC Tournaments until 2012, if the transition follows the normal five-year course. Thomas said he isn't worried about Central's move.

"You really can't compare because Winston-Salem State had its own situation, and N.C. Central has its own situation," he said. "They are two different schools."

One of the goals of expansion for the MEAC is a championship game in football, and Thomas said it will become a reality. Conferences need 12 teams for a championship game in football. The MEAC has 11 schools but only nine field football teams.

"It's still on the front burner," Thomas said. "And hopefully we will achieve that goal of a championship game in football."

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You must really be on drugs. In this post you just high lighted the fact that WSSU was never D1, but just going through the transition. We never left D2. I just can't understand your problems. Sure we can't compete on the D1 level, but neither can you.  :shrug: We just have the brains to no better. If you can compete, then please share that proof with the rest of this forum.

Let's see if I have this correct. WE are a FCS division 1 conference. Have been since ....oh about 1978. But your intelligence tells you we can't compete on the FCS level because we loss to a PWI.

Nevermind that we played against the 7th rank team in the nation and a top SEC school. Held their Heisman candidate to only 34 yards in the first half .


But because we loss to a PWI by a large margin your intelligence tells you we can't compete.

Nevermind that you're  basically saying that no hbcu can compete on the FCS level. Nevermind the 25 times we have beaten them and the numerous time we've  blowned them out.

Your intelligence tells you we have to be perfect and can't lose any game against a PWI. Or if we lose it has to always be by a close margin or otherwise that means we can't compete.

And you wonder why I consider that line of thinking as ignorant 21st century  Sambo.

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Sports Forum / Re: Ivy League would rather a bowl game
« on: December 08, 2015, 09:25:42 AM »
Maybe they should have put the SWAC vs Ivy League in the CB?  :shrug:

That is funny... good job eagle pride. But the Ivy League don't really consider themselves FCS. The rules of the BCS don't fit the mission of their schools, so they participate somewhere in between the FCS and BCS. If they played in a bowl game it would have to be against a BCS opponent.

This Southern person is just trying to compare apples and oranges from another thread. Its too bad he can't see the difference between Ivy League schools and the rest of the FCS. They would never associated themselves with playing a SWAC opponent.

I can't believe I am saying this but, both NCCU and NC A&T, should find another conference that whats to win National Championships. The sky is the limit for you guys.


More wisdom and insight from the DII kiddie table

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Sports Forum / Ivy League would rather a bowl game
« on: December 08, 2015, 08:28:31 AM »
Quote
Beckett would like to see the Ivy League partner with a sister conference to play a bowl game sometime before Christmas at a warm weather site (we hear Orlando is nice this time of year.) The idea has generated interest within the Ivy League, but not everyone is on board just yet. Some would rather fight for inclusion in the national playoffs.

 


“The feasibility of a bowl game being approved is much greater than getting our champion into the playoffs,” Beckett said. “I think it would be a great experience and an appropriate ending for the champions of our league and the sister conference that would join us.”

 


• The Patriot or Pioneer leagues make the most sense to partner with the Ivies for a bowl game, though diminished a bit since both currently send their champions to the FCS playoffs.

 


Wishful thinking, perhaps, but we’d love to see the Ivy champ match up with a BCS program each December, even if it’s a 5-7 club from a Group of Five opponent. The potential of Yale playing, say, UTEP or East Carolina is appealing to us, though, we understand, not so much for the BCS representative.

http://www.nhregister.com/sports/20151205/sunday-gravy-ivy-league-closer-to-taking-plunge-into-basketballs-march-madness

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Sports Forum / Re: FCS PLAYOFF ATTENDANCE WEEK 2
« on: December 07, 2015, 11:43:18 PM »
Bruh can you really be that dumb? I just corrected you on that a few post ago but here you come right back with the same lie

You corrected yourself saying you got confused.  But NWSU also blew you out in 2013 when you won SWAC.  They were 6-6 that year.

I referenced 2014 in my previous post and said you were SWAC East Champs and played for title.  I was mistakes as to East not West, but that's about it.

I guess you excuse wanting to be a good FCS program and beating PWI'S and HBCU'S as being a Sambo.

Take a seat and just accept tall can't compete at FCS level.



And the answer is yeah you are that dumb. You just finish lying that they were 4-7 than you turn around and sort of admitted you were lying by saying they were 6-6 and we were SWAC Western Champs.

Each case is a lie or if it makes you feel better a fabrication.  They had just played  2 fbs schools and we're 0-2. We had played the current  Sunbelt conference champions  (fbs) and loss 45-6 then we played a NAIA school and were 1-1.

We played NWST the third game of the season in which the NCAA certification hit the team and all of our starters except for the QB were pulled in that game..

We were neither SWAC western champs and they were neither 4-7 or 6-6.

So either you're a liar, dumb or both. But most certainly you're at least one.


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Sports Forum / Re: FCS PLAYOFF ATTENDANCE WEEK 2
« on: December 07, 2015, 09:01:29 PM »
Bruh can you really be that dumb? I just corrected you on that a few post ago but here you come right back with the same lie

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Sports Forum / Re: FCS PLAYOFF ATTENDANCE
« on: December 07, 2015, 08:59:45 PM »
We sold Act-1 the naming rights for the Sky Box, not the stadium. What are y'all having a pissing match about?


He's claiming that A&T has a $10,000,000.00 stadium naming right agreement  with act 1  :lmao:

And he can't find not one post anyone on this site which says that.

This is about him and being right and how MEAC and its member and supporters are dumb. Mostly because we are more interested in competing for the FCS Championship than going to ATL to play in the bowl game

I don't mind your competitive nature, but when you overlook poor financial management skills in the name of competing, then I have a problem.

No one overlooks that. But you bring this option, which to this day has conflicting information as it relates to payouts.

Also this is now the 3rd time this idea has been tried. 1st it was the Pelican Bowl , then the Heritage Bowl and now this. And my continued question is, Since the other two bowls failed, what exactly is put in place to ensue it doesn't happen again? What was learned from the failures to ensure this will be a success long term?

This same conversation kicks up about every 20 yrs. Image the brand and success of this event if we had capable leaders who could have got it right the 1st time?

Pelican Bowl 72-75
Heritage Bowl 91-99
Celebration Bowl 15 -




Bruh you make a person had explode with the ignorant stuff you come  up with.   Did you not just recently  post that you are 35 years of age?

So what possibly  could you know about the Pelican Bowl and it's  financial  backing at that time?

Then you bring up the Heritage Bowl and conveniently not post any link that reference too wide it actually ended.
We all know why that is . Because it doesn't fit your narrative of wanting to compete because it shows yet again the meac failure to commit  to anything. Especially when it's  not in their favor.




I grew up watching the Heritage Bowl, and it was my understanding that Heritage Bowl was ended due to lack of TV contract

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/02/11/sports/plus-college-football-heritage-bowl-game-discontinued-after-little-support.html


But you post a uninformed writers  article about lack of fan support.   :shrug:

The Heritage Bowl is a dormant NCAA Division I Football Championship Subdivision (FCS) bowl game pitting a team from the Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference (MEAC) against a team from the Southwestern Athletic Conference (SWAC). It was hoped that it would become a true national championship game for historically black universities,[2] but sometimes the conference champions declined the automatic bowl bid in order to participate in the NCAA's then-Division I-AA playoffs instead. This was an especially common issue for the MEAC, often leaving its runner-up—or even its third seed, for the final two Heritage Bowls—to represent the conference. Because of the MEAC's unwillingness to guarantee that its champion would participate, the television contract was ended and eventually the game was too, even though attendance surpassed some higher division bowl games. Perhaps not coincidentally, the SWAC (which usually did send its champion) won most of the Heritage Bowls that were held. The game after the 1994 season was the only one to feature both conferences' top seeds. The game was played in Miami, Florida in 1991, Tallahassee, Florida in 1993, and Atlanta, Georgia from 1994–1999.[3] The Heritage Bowl was a successor to the Pelican Bowl, which pitted MEAC vs. SWAC teams during the 1970s.[4] In 2010 a replacement for the Heritage Bowl, the "Legacy Bowl"—not to be confused with a later exhibition game of the same name—was proposed for the 2011 season, but MEAC officials voted it down.[5] In 2015 the two conferences finally reached an agreement to compete in the new Celebration Bowl.


http://chronicle.augusta.com/stories/2000/02/11/oth_282384.shtml#.VmXoZLgrKUk

"ATLANTA -- The Heritage Bowl, played between two of the predominantly black Division 1-AA football conferences, announced Thursday that it was discontinuing the annual game which had been played in Atlanta the last seven years.

Major reasons were a lack of fan support and the end of a two-year television agreement (1998-1999) between NBC and the Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference and Southwestern Athletic Conference.

Last year's game in which Hampton (MEAC) beat Southern University (SWAC) 24-3, drew only 29,000 to the 74,000-seat Georgia Dome. The previous year the contest drew 33,000.

The post-season event began in 1991 and was played in Miami. It shifted to Tallahassee the following season and then was moved to Atlanta.

"When the concept of the Heritage Bowl was conceived nine years ago, it was an innovative idea on the Division I-AA level and its founding fathers are to be commended," said SWAC commissioner Rudy Washington.

"Unfortunately, local support for the game in the cities that hosted it wasn't substantial enough to merit continuation of the event. Accordingly, we felt that it was in our best interest to discontinue the game at this time," he said.

"Although we are disappointed with the postponement of the 2000 game, we are optimistic about the potential growth of this post-season event," said MEAC commissioner Charles Harris."

So that two articles stating lack of fan support and ending of tv contract is what ending the Heritage Bowl, so what is being done differently like my fellow alumnus Professor asked earlier?


If you think saying a lack of fan support when the game was averaging  roughly  30,000 fans a year. Is a fair and accurate report.
Than there's really no need to have any further discussion about the subject with you.

Because  cleary you aren't able to separate fact from fiction.

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Sports Forum / Re: FCS PLAYOFF ATTENDANCE
« on: December 07, 2015, 08:53:44 PM »
Wasn't this C.B. developed by whites? (ESPN)  


And your point is what exactly?




You guys keep saying that we are not for this game because white folks are not in it or something of that nature.  That is why I am asking the question.  


So how do you equate white executive sponsoring an event and sharing the profits with you without you having to spend a dime. With playing against a white school that isn't giving you one red cent?

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