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Sports Forum / Re: TSU introduces Eddie George as new head football coach

« on: Yesterday at 10:35:11 PM »

TSU's move does not look as strong as JSU's move. TSU seems more like a gimmick to copycat JSU, given that George does not have the same coaching passion. If TSU does not join the SWAC, I see this as a diversion away from HBCUs/SWAC to the OVC. The only problem is TSU is not content with conference championships, so the SWAC may need to find a solution to draw them back into the family.

He might do well. Maybe he didn't believe he could do it until he spoke with Jeff.  The interest appeared to have been there because he was talking about it.  Great move on TSU part because hiring a head coach is all about business.  The Bamas of the world hire a coach that will get the fan excited to increase donations.  Getting money and great player solve lots of issues with coaching.

He may, and I hope so. I am not just thinking about football though. I am thinking about how more HBCUs than one gain a strengthened position. That is one thing some of the short-sighted fans in the SWAC don't seem to get about Deion. TSU's move with George does not do as much for all HBCUs as Deion's hire simply because TSU is not presently in the SWAC. Hoping our folks will see the bigger picture sooner or later.

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Sports Forum / Re: TSU introduces Eddie George as new head football coach

« on: Yesterday at 07:29:38 PM »

TSU's move does not look as strong as JSU's move. TSU seems more like a gimmick to copycat JSU, given that George does not have the same coaching passion. If TSU does not join the SWAC, I see this as a diversion away from HBCUs/SWAC to the OVC. The only problem is TSU is not content with conference championships, so the SWAC may need to find a solution to draw them back into the family.

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Sports Forum / Re: Eddie George to Tennessee State

« on: April 12, 2021, 08:05:01 AM »

I see nothing that CAU or Tuskegee can gain by joining the SWAC...other than added expenses.

Speaking from purely a Skegee perspective, we’d go broke trying to pretend as if we can afford to survive at that significant upgrade and tax bracket.

The SWAC pie is about to get REALLY BIG AND SWEET with the media and sponsorship deals $$$ coming.

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Sports Forum / Re: Sources outline Eddie George, Tennessee State Tigers’ staff targets

« on: April 12, 2021, 08:02:18 AM »

There are a few reasons how this hire is different than JSU and Prime...

1) Yes George will draw good attention to TSU, but he is not quite the same as Prime.
2) Unless TSU joins the SWAC, George and TSU are NOT bringing shine to other HBCUs, HBCU athletes, and an HBCU conference (which is what is so special about what JSU is doing with Coach Prime).
3) George has no coaching experience or evidence of coaching passion as Sanders, although this could work in his favor if it forces him to hire a super strong staff.

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Sports Forum / Re: Eddie George to Tennessee State

« on: April 11, 2021, 10:06:16 PM »

As I said, the real question is whether Tenn St will re-visit joining the SWAC.

If this happens who would be school #14 in the SWAC?  

I would say SC State.

It would be great if Skegee and Clark Atlanta joined later to get the SWAC to a 16-member megaconference like the CIAA used to have back in the heyday.

I would agree, but they have a lot of work growing their enrollment.

SCSU's enrollment is the same as UAPB and MVSU.

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Sports Forum / Re: Eddie George to Tennessee State

« on: April 11, 2021, 06:20:19 PM »

As I said, the real question is whether Tenn St will re-visit joining the SWAC.

If this happens who would be school #14 in the SWAC?  

I would say SC State.

It would be great if Skegee and Clark Atlanta joined later to get the SWAC to a 16-member megaconference like the CIAA used to have back in the heyday.

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Sports Forum / Re: Eddie George to Tennessee State

« on: April 11, 2021, 04:22:57 PM »

Mighty JSU has started a trend.

Our kids will come back home.

100%!!!

https://hbcugameday.com/2021/04/11/report-eddie-george-taking-over-at-tennessee-state/

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Sports Forum / Re: Eddie George to Tennessee State

« on: April 11, 2021, 03:20:07 PM »

I guess we will forever be reaching for that pie in the sky.  Donald Trump is the perfect example that people with fame and money can be the worse leaders. In most cases, their TOTAL philosophy of success is based solely on money and less on the academics or science, which is why Trump was in constant conflict with the world's science communities. With their philosophy, instead of going down the right path of success, it could be the complete opposite.  Money or fame can't buy common sense or intelligence.

Who are you to judge what someone has earned??

I don’t know if this is true, but I do know Eddie George has worked hard for his. I don’t understand people who disdain successful people, and what does Donald Trump have to do with anything here.

Being a great NFL running back doesn't make someone a great HBCU coach.  If he was that adamant about helping HBCUs, maybe he should have attended and played football for one from the start. IMO, his resume' is totally blank when it comes to coaching exerience on the college level.  Now don't get me wrong, he might be a good college coach one day, but who to say this for now??? Our programs are too fragile to take such a chance on inexperienced individuals. And just because someone has fame and fortune doesn't mean that they are the solution. It's almost as if we are losing sight of our true objective of institutions of higher learning.  IMO, college football is an ACADEMIC sport.  Like Southern University's former band director, the glitz and glamour could be our downfall.

My take is that in the big scheme of things our athletic programs are generally at the bottom of the barrel, so leveraging successful Black athletes to bring the spotlight to HBCUs and inspire talented Black athletes to come home is good for HBCUs all-around. I get what you are saying about them not coming to HBCUs on the first pass, but who on here got it all right at 18 years old?? I think these moves could kick-start a reverse-migration of Black talent back to HBCUs.

By the way I believe I heard that Bradford Marsalis IS teaching at an HBCU somewhere.

Teaching students how to play woodwind instruments is not the same as directing an ENTIRE band. 

You might be right, it might reverse the migration of Black athletes, but it also could be a disaster.  I do believe this experiment has been done before at GSU with Doug Williams and the results weren't too pretty.  Ironically, Jackson State was indirectly impacted by Grambling's decision when the school's football players decided to boycott its game against JSU, which was JSU's homecoming.

Here's an article on GSU's football boycott. The timeline in the article gives you a good picture on how things transpired, which started right after Grambling fired Doug Williams.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1816632-grambling-football-team-refuses-to-play-game-due-to-state-of-program

That is true that it could not succeed and there is nothing to say George would be successful. But when you are already on the bottom in the big scheme of things, I think it is a solid gamble. Black folks will stay at the bottom being "afraid" of losing something we don't have anyway. Things are looking UP these days in the HBCU world! I am glad Maker came to Howard, and it is beginning to change the conversation.

One thing we do have is our existence or we wouldn't be having this conversation.  I'm not a big gambler, but I do believe in growth via the right way, which IMO is done through the high achievement in the ACADEMICS of college sports.

TSU hiring Eddie George does not jeopardize the existence of TSUs football team or athletics, let alone the institution. What exactly do you mean by the ACADEMICS of college sports?

You do realize there is an academic science in sports. Academic science can be found in most things, if not ALL things.  I first realized this as an undergraduate student at Southern University.  As an engineering student marching in Southern University's band, I was able to program Southern University's fight song to play in a HP calculator through its beep function.  Not only it played the song as it was originally written, I wrote the program in such a way that I could play the song in different keys, at various tempos, and the amount of times the song repeated itself before ending.  I'm sure if we had individuals who could merge sports and academics in a similar fashion, our athletic programs would take off on their own, which is why the kids in sports are considered STUDENTS first and then athletes, hence STUDENT-ATHLETES. Yesterday during the Delaware/Delaware State game, ESPN did a segment on sports science in football. IMO, HBCUs have the necessary resources to do the same. The way I see it, our athletic programs suffer so much because there is a vast disconnect between our academic programs and our athletic programs. Therefore, in order for our programs to be successful in the right way, our administrations need to find individuals who can bridge together our academic programs with our athletic programs, which I'm sure would also raise our NCAA APR scores. In most cases and like Vegas casinos, the odds are against us when gambling with individuals who have zero understanding of what HBCUs can provide. Individuals from MIT were the only ones I know of who reversed the odds in Vegas with their academic backgrounds and Vegas casinos have since barred them from entering their casinos.

Here's an example of one of ESPN's Sports Science segments:

Yeh this is cool stuff and we should have programs like this at some HBCUs. Southern would be a great candidate for that. I don't know if it alone will attract top athletic talent like successful black athletes with name recognition leading, but we should definitely do it.

It seems like Howard would be the perfect school with all its research programs.

Yeh but we are traditionally not so sports-oriented unfortunately. I believe these programs will thrive in a strong sports market. You know I think Texas Southern is doing some pretty cool stuff in Houston. And please calm down Jags No one said Mike IS GOING to TSU.

As I said, the real question is whether Tenn St will re-visit joining the SWAC.

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Sports Forum / Re: Eddie George to Tennessee State

« on: April 11, 2021, 02:39:59 PM »

I guess we will forever be reaching for that pie in the sky.  Donald Trump is the perfect example that people with fame and money can be the worse leaders. In most cases, their TOTAL philosophy of success is based solely on money and less on the academics or science, which is why Trump was in constant conflict with the world's science communities. With their philosophy, instead of going down the right path of success, it could be the complete opposite.  Money or fame can't buy common sense or intelligence.

Who are you to judge what someone has earned??

I don’t know if this is true, but I do know Eddie George has worked hard for his. I don’t understand people who disdain successful people, and what does Donald Trump have to do with anything here.

Being a great NFL running back doesn't make someone a great HBCU coach.  If he was that adamant about helping HBCUs, maybe he should have attended and played football for one from the start. IMO, his resume' is totally blank when it comes to coaching exerience on the college level.  Now don't get me wrong, he might be a good college coach one day, but who to say this for now??? Our programs are too fragile to take such a chance on inexperienced individuals. And just because someone has fame and fortune doesn't mean that they are the solution. It's almost as if we are losing sight of our true objective of institutions of higher learning.  IMO, college football is an ACADEMIC sport.  Like Southern University's former band director, the glitz and glamour could be our downfall.

My take is that in the big scheme of things our athletic programs are generally at the bottom of the barrel, so leveraging successful Black athletes to bring the spotlight to HBCUs and inspire talented Black athletes to come home is good for HBCUs all-around. I get what you are saying about them not coming to HBCUs on the first pass, but who on here got it all right at 18 years old?? I think these moves could kick-start a reverse-migration of Black talent back to HBCUs.

By the way I believe I heard that Bradford Marsalis IS teaching at an HBCU somewhere.

Teaching students how to play woodwind instruments is not the same as directing an ENTIRE band. 

You might be right, it might reverse the migration of Black athletes, but it also could be a disaster.  I do believe this experiment has been done before at GSU with Doug Williams and the results weren't too pretty.  Ironically, Jackson State was indirectly impacted by Grambling's decision when the school's football players decided to boycott its game against JSU, which was JSU's homecoming.

Here's an article on GSU's football boycott. The timeline in the article gives you a good picture on how things transpired, which started right after Grambling fired Doug Williams.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1816632-grambling-football-team-refuses-to-play-game-due-to-state-of-program

That is true that it could not succeed and there is nothing to say George would be successful. But when you are already on the bottom in the big scheme of things, I think it is a solid gamble. Black folks will stay at the bottom being "afraid" of losing something we don't have anyway. Things are looking UP these days in the HBCU world! I am glad Maker came to Howard, and it is beginning to change the conversation.

One thing we do have is our existence or we wouldn't be having this conversation.  I'm not a big gambler, but I do believe in growth via the right way, which IMO is done through the high achievement in the ACADEMICS of college sports.

TSU hiring Eddie George does not jeopardize the existence of TSUs football team or athletics, let alone the institution. What exactly do you mean by the ACADEMICS of college sports?

You do realize there is an academic science in sports. Academic science can be found in most things, if not ALL things.  I first realized this as an undergraduate student at Southern University.  As an engineering student marching in Southern University's band, I was able to program Southern University's fight song to play in a HP calculator through its beep function.  Not only it played the song as it was originally written, I wrote the program in such a way that I could play the song in different keys, at various tempos, and the amount of times the song repeated itself before ending.  I'm sure if we had individuals who could merge sports and academics in a similar fashion, our athletic programs would take off on their own, which is why the kids in sports are considered STUDENTS first and then athletes, hence STUDENT-ATHLETES. Yesterday during the Delaware/Delaware State game, ESPN did a segment on sports science in football. IMO, HBCUs have the necessary resources to do the same. The way I see it, our athletic programs suffer so much because there is a vast disconnect between our academic programs and our athletic programs. Therefore, in order for our programs to be successful in the right way, our administrations need to find individuals who can bridge together our academic programs with our athletic programs, which I'm sure would also raise our NCAA APR scores. In most cases and like Vegas casinos, the odds are against us when gambling with individuals who have zero understanding of what HBCUs can provide. Individuals from MIT were the only ones I know of who reversed the odds in Vegas with their academic backgrounds and Vegas casinos have since barred them from entering their casinos.

Here's an example of one of ESPN's Sports Science segments:

Yeh this is cool stuff and we should have programs like this at some HBCUs. Southern would be a great candidate for that. I don't know if it alone will attract top athletic talent like successful black athletes with name recognition leading, but we should definitely do it.

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Sports Forum / Re: Eddie George to Tennessee State

« on: April 11, 2021, 12:38:18 PM »

I guess we will forever be reaching for that pie in the sky.  Donald Trump is the perfect example that people with fame and money can be the worse leaders. In most cases, their TOTAL philosophy of success is based solely on money and less on the academics or science, which is why Trump was in constant conflict with the world's science communities. With their philosophy, instead of going down the right path of success, it could be the complete opposite.  Money or fame can't buy common sense or intelligence.

Who are you to judge what someone has earned??

I don’t know if this is true, but I do know Eddie George has worked hard for his. I don’t understand people who disdain successful people, and what does Donald Trump have to do with anything here.

Being a great NFL running back doesn't make someone a great HBCU coach.  If he was that adamant about helping HBCUs, maybe he should have attended and played football for one from the start. IMO, his resume' is totally blank when it comes to coaching exerience on the college level.  Now don't get me wrong, he might be a good college coach one day, but who to say this for now??? Our programs are too fragile to take such a chance on inexperienced individuals. And just because someone has fame and fortune doesn't mean that they are the solution. It's almost as if we are losing sight of our true objective of institutions of higher learning.  IMO, college football is an ACADEMIC sport.  Like Southern University's former band director, the glitz and glamour could be our downfall.

My take is that in the big scheme of things our athletic programs are generally at the bottom of the barrel, so leveraging successful Black athletes to bring the spotlight to HBCUs and inspire talented Black athletes to come home is good for HBCUs all-around. I get what you are saying about them not coming to HBCUs on the first pass, but who on here got it all right at 18 years old?? I think these moves could kick-start a reverse-migration of Black talent back to HBCUs.

By the way I believe I heard that Bradford Marsalis IS teaching at an HBCU somewhere.

Teaching students how to play woodwind instruments is not the same as directing an ENTIRE band. 

You might be right, it might reverse the migration of Black athletes, but it also could be a disaster.  I do believe this experiment has been done before at GSU with Doug Williams and the results weren't too pretty.  Ironically, Jackson State was indirectly impacted by Grambling's decision when the school's football players decided to boycott its game against JSU, which was JSU's homecoming.

Here's an article on GSU's football boycott. The timeline in the article gives you a good picture on how things transpired, which started right after Grambling fired Doug Williams.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1816632-grambling-football-team-refuses-to-play-game-due-to-state-of-program

That is true that it could not succeed and there is nothing to say George would be successful. But when you are already on the bottom in the big scheme of things, I think it is a solid gamble. Black folks will stay at the bottom being "afraid" of losing something we don't have anyway. Things are looking UP these days in the HBCU world! I am glad Maker came to Howard, and it is beginning to change the conversation.

One thing we do have is our existence or we wouldn't be having this conversation.  I'm not a big gambler, but I do believe in growth via the right way, which IMO is done through the high achievement in the ACADEMICS of college sports.

TSU hiring Eddie George does not jeopardize the existence of TSUs football team or athletics, let alone the institution. What exactly do you mean by the ACADEMICS of college sports?

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Sports Forum / Re: Eddie George to Tennessee State

« on: April 11, 2021, 12:18:58 PM »

I guess we will forever be reaching for that pie in the sky.  Donald Trump is the perfect example that people with fame and money can be the worse leaders. In most cases, their TOTAL philosophy of success is based solely on money and less on the academics or science, which is why Trump was in constant conflict with the world's science communities. With their philosophy, instead of going down the right path of success, it could be the complete opposite.  Money or fame can't buy common sense or intelligence.

Who are you to judge what someone has earned??

I don’t know if this is true, but I do know Eddie George has worked hard for his. I don’t understand people who disdain successful people, and what does Donald Trump have to do with anything here.

Being a great NFL running back doesn't make someone a great HBCU coach.  If he was that adamant about helping HBCUs, maybe he should have attended and played football for one from the start. IMO, his resume' is totally blank when it comes to coaching exerience on the college level.  Now don't get me wrong, he might be a good college coach one day, but who to say this for now??? Our programs are too fragile to take such a chance on inexperienced individuals. And just because someone has fame and fortune doesn't mean that they are the solution. It's almost as if we are losing sight of our true objective of institutions of higher learning.  IMO, college football is an ACADEMIC sport.  Like Southern University's former band director, the glitz and glamour could be our downfall.

My take is that in the big scheme of things our athletic programs are generally at the bottom of the barrel, so leveraging successful Black athletes to bring the spotlight to HBCUs and inspire talented Black athletes to come home is good for HBCUs all-around. I get what you are saying about them not coming to HBCUs on the first pass, but who on here got it all right at 18 years old?? I think these moves could kick-start a reverse-migration of Black talent back to HBCUs.

By the way I believe I heard that Bradford Marsalis IS teaching at an HBCU somewhere.

Teaching students how to play woodwind instruments is not the same as directing an ENTIRE band. 

You might be right, it might reverse the migration of Black athletes, but it also could be a disaster.  I do believe this experiment has been done before at GSU with Doug Williams and the results weren't too pretty.  Ironically, Jackson State was indirectly impacted by Grambling's decision when the school's football players decided to boycott its game against JSU, which was JSU's homecoming.

Here's an article on GSU's football boycott. The timeline in the article gives you a good picture on how things transpired, which started right after Grambling fired Doug Williams.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1816632-grambling-football-team-refuses-to-play-game-due-to-state-of-program

That is true that it could not succeed and there is nothing to say George would be successful. But when you are already on the bottom in the big scheme of things, I think it is a solid gamble. Black folks will stay at the bottom being "afraid" of losing something we don't have anyway. Things are looking UP these days in the HBCU world! I am glad Maker came to Howard, and it is beginning to change the conversation.

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Sports Forum / Re: Eddie George to Tennessee State

« on: April 11, 2021, 11:52:15 AM »

I guess we will forever be reaching for that pie in the sky.  Donald Trump is the perfect example that people with fame and money can be the worse leaders. In most cases, their TOTAL philosophy of success is based solely on money and less on the academics or science, which is why Trump was in constant conflict with the world's science communities. With their philosophy, instead of going down the right path of success, it could be the complete opposite.  Money or fame can't buy common sense or intelligence.

Who are you to judge what someone has earned??

I don’t know if this is true, but I do know Eddie George has worked hard for his. I don’t understand people who disdain successful people, and what does Donald Trump have to do with anything here.

Being a great NFL running back doesn't make someone a great HBCU coach.  If he was that adamant about helping HBCUs, maybe he should have attended and played football for one from the start. IMO, his resume' is totally blank when it comes to coaching exerience on the college level.  Now don't get me wrong, he might be a good college coach one day, but who to say this for now??? Our programs are too fragile to take such a chance on inexperienced individuals. And just because someone has fame and fortune doesn't mean that they are the solution. It's almost as if we are losing sight of our true objective of institutions of higher learning.  IMO, college football is an ACADEMIC sport.  Like Southern University's former band director, the glitz and glamour could be our downfall.

My take is that in the big scheme of things our athletic programs are generally at the bottom of the barrel, so leveraging successful Black athletes to bring the spotlight to HBCUs and inspire talented Black athletes to come home is good for HBCUs all-around. I get what you are saying about them not coming to HBCUs on the first pass, but who on here got it all right at 18 years old?? I think these moves could kick-start a reverse-migration of Black talent back to HBCUs.

By the way I believe I heard that Bradford Marsalis IS teaching at an HBCU somewhere.

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Sports Forum / Re: Eddie George to Tennessee State

« on: April 11, 2021, 09:59:57 AM »

I guess we will forever be reaching for that pie in the sky.  Donald Trump is the perfect example that people with fame and money can be the worse leaders. In most cases, their TOTAL philosophy of success is based solely on money and less on the academics or science, which is why Trump was in constant conflict with the world's science communities. With their philosophy, instead of going down the right path of success, it could be the complete opposite.  Money or fame can't buy common sense or intelligence.

Who are you to judge what someone has earned??

I don’t know if this is true, but I do know Eddie George has worked hard for his. I don’t understand people who disdain successful people, and what does Donald Trump have to do with anything here.

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Sports Forum / Re: Eddie George to Tennessee State

« on: April 10, 2021, 08:45:34 PM »

What is your source? I think we will see more of this by the way. I wondered whether Michael Strayhan would go to Texas Southern. The question is whether Tenn St will re-visit a move to the SWAC?? 

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Sports Forum / Re: Alabama A&M QB Aqeel Glass will get lots of attention against Jackson State

« on: April 10, 2021, 07:16:31 PM »

A&M has a great NFL-caliber QB, a great coach, and a really good team. I am glad that Glass got this ESPN exposure. I am curious if A&M fans feel comfortable they have a good spread now for JSU's fall team.