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Sports Forum / Re: CIAA Tourney hype
« on: February 21, 2020, 11:05:56 AM »
I need to look into getting some tickets for the Sat night Championship

Might have to plan a little different this year.  The championship games will be day games this year.  Women at 1:00 and Men at 4:30.

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Sports Forum / Re: What will be best for the other MEAC schools?
« on: February 21, 2020, 09:09:19 AM »
I just thought about the CIAA losing Hampton, Norfolk State, A&T, Howard, etc and the conference is still rolling. I think the MEAC will be fine.

The CIAA was able to recruit new members primarily in the same region, something the MEAC is struggling with.
Travel issues aren't going away. What are they going to do to address this issue? If nothing then there may be more defections.

In recent times Claflin has been the only D2 school the CIAA was able to recruit from another D2 conference, Chowan and Lincoln were both in the process of moving up to D2.  So if you tried to use the same analogy for the MEAC that would mean they need to be looking for a school to move up or go after a SWAC school.

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Sports Forum / Re: What will be best for the other MEAC schools?
« on: February 11, 2020, 11:28:33 AM »
The conference could mandate a reduction in scholarships in football that could make the conference more attractive financially. The NEC has a scholarship maximum in place for football and The Pioneer League doesn’t offer scholarships at all, along with the Ivy League.
And just where did you get this information from?

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To correct myself, it’s 45 the NEC offers, not 40 equivalents. This has been in effect since 2009 when they increased from 30 equivalents (lower than the D2 max).

Here’s one article where it’s spoken about: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesonline.com/85a99fc6-6e4a-11e7-878b-b7e25e918026.html%3ftemplate=ampart
You do realize that eliminate any chance of playing any fbs schools for a payday?

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You do realize that those teams have been and are scheduled for money games? The same thing with a few Ivy League schools.

And Savannah State was playing 2-3 body bag games a year. I don’t think they helped very much.

But maybe they did.
We're not talking about "THOSE TEAMS". We're talking about the aggies or whatever hbcu you're referencing.  Also those teams as the article clearly states. Subsidize the remainder of the scholarships needed to qualify. Are you really,trying to compare the Ivy league to the rest of the FCS? Where's the aggies or whomever going to get that extra money when? You're already admitting you have budget problems. As for the pioneer league I'm pretty sure they don't play any FBS teams if they don't offer scholarships. But I welcome any evidence to the contrary

I am fairly certain you are right about that because I don't think FBS teams can count those games towards bowl eligibility.  Drake played Iowa State a couple of seasons ago, but that was a crazy scenario of multiple cancelations that caused that game to be played.  I don't know of any other time in recent history where a PFL team has played a FBS school.

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Sports Forum / Re: What will be best for the other MEAC schools?
« on: February 11, 2020, 10:48:41 AM »
I think the A&T want’s to diversify to increase their white enrollment as well and save money by decreasing long trips of road games. They figure the best way to appeal is by joining a white conference.  This may work and it may not. I’m not sure if Hampton’s white enrollment increased any.

Are you saying that A&T think the need for Black Colleges to give people, who cannot get into the white schools, an opportunity no longer exists? Originally, we needed our schools because they would not allow us to attend theirs. When did that change. Is there a need to give white students more chances to get an education? No. So why actively seek to increase the white students at their schools. Let us do that when they accept blacks in the amounts needed... and not just to play sports for them.  :shrug:

I get what you are saying, and I don't want us to lose our culture of HBCUs.  However, we are now competing with schools who have been strategically going after black students.  Look at schools like ODU, UNCC, UNCG, Winthrop, and GA State for example.  Seems like these southern states are trying to push more black students to their second tier state universities as a way to cripple HBCUs.  You wont see the percentage of black students at flagship state schools like UNC, UVA, UGA, GT, USC, etc. pick up, but our HBCUs can't ignore that growth of non black students might become a vital component of our continuing existence.

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Sports Forum / Re: What will be best for the other MEAC schools?
« on: February 11, 2020, 10:02:36 AM »
Financially the move will not affect our bottomline.  Only five teams play football in that conference. Like Hampton, A&T will have to drum up teams to fill that void.  Anytime NCCU-A&T meet on the gridiron translates to a good payday.  The end justifies the mean so we will play that game- however daunting.   Boycott talk is from those not involved and simply foolish.  With only 5 FB schools currently in that conference WSSU could possibly wiggle out a game in Greensboro.  You still want to boycott WSSU?   :tiptoe:.  I'm sure Etienne would get that one quicker than a New York minute.
Again you are wrong. There are nine schools that play football in that coference. WSSU fans understand the betrayal form a&t, and will not support their need to exploit other HBCUs, just to have money to spend dating all those PWS. Dude, where's your HBCU Pride?

There will be 9 schools playing football when A&T is fully scheduled in the Big South. That will still leave them with at minimum 3 out of conference games to play, and they could still do a home-home series or neutral site game with NCCU, a home-home with another FCS school  and an away FBS game. Please explain to me how they would be exploiting other HBCUs?

It will be 8, Presbyterian is dropping football scholarships and going to the Pioneer league. 

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Sports Forum / Re: What will be best for the other MEAC schools?
« on: February 10, 2020, 09:16:35 AM »
The school that stands to lose the most from A&T stupid move is NCCU. They are in the state with the most HBCUs and now with no real rivals available. The closets thing to a rival is WSSU and we are in a lower division. They are truly on an island. Kind of like the island WSSU have been on since not playing both A&T and NCCU on regular home and home games. The interest of our fans went out the window when we stopped playing those teams in Winston. The same will be true for both A&T and NCCU.  Some schools need each other on their schedules to make the rest of the schedule remain relevant.   :nod:

Rivals don't have to be in the same conference.

Exactly, and without the conference scheduling requirements this could actually open the possibility for A&T and Central to start playing on labor day weekend again.

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Sports Forum / Re: 2020 NCA&T Football Schedule
« on: February 07, 2020, 03:40:01 PM »
At least now we know why they felt they were too good to play WSSU in Winston after doing many times before. They were wanting new friends to give their money to.  :shrug:

Actually, now I think this makes a game between WSSU and A&T more likely to happen.  A&T is going to have at least 4 open dates each year, and I'd guess they will try to schedule as many HBCUs as they can to keep their core base happy.  Also, the Big South seems to schedule all of the conference games in the back half of the season which means A&T's open dates would line up perfectly with WSSUs open dates. 

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The BigSouth has been a stepping stone to FBS....  :tiptoe:

Coastal and Liberty did it.  However, if I was y'all I would try to follow the Elon and VMI route and use this as a stepping stone to another FCS conference like the SOCON.

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I wonder would the MEAC teams black ball A&T?  That Aggie Pride loyalty of showing up to games might be tested without regular games against Central, SC State, and FAMU.  But who knows maybe new rivalries with Gardner Webb and Campbell might really get fans out to the games...
Clearly you haven't been paying attention to attendance post. There's a reason that TNSU has an agreement to play  a schedule amount of hbcu games.

It's called sarcasm
Okay I'm gonna need you to take a drink. Because  I know dry sarcasm. You seem to have visited a dessert

I can agree with you on that point. ;D

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I wonder would the MEAC teams black ball A&T?  That Aggie Pride loyalty of showing up to games might be tested without regular games against Central, SC State, and FAMU.  But who knows maybe new rivalries with Gardner Webb and Campbell might really get fans out to the games...
Clearly you haven't been paying attention to attendance post. There's a reason that TNSU has an agreement to play  a schedule amount of hbcu games.

It's called sarcasm

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I wonder would the MEAC teams black ball A&T?  That Aggie Pride loyalty of showing up to games might be tested without regular games against Central, SC State, and FAMU.  But who knows maybe new rivalries with Gardner Webb and Campbell might really get fans out to the games...

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Sports Forum / Re: 2020 NCA&T Football Schedule
« on: February 06, 2020, 09:07:07 AM »
No pride we made an offer, WSSU declined and made a counter offer. We declined.

For 2000, we needed a home game for Sept 5th.

Our next opening is 2022, 2023 and 2024. Might wanna get on the phone and tell your AD

We already have Elon on board for 23 and 24

Just outta curiosity,,,,,,,,what were the terms A&T offered WSSU to come to A&T, as opposed to the terms WSSU accepted from NCCU to go to NCCU?

We offered 60K to play us in Greensboro. You have to remember it was a different AD then as well

So, NCCU is paying WSSU more than 60K to play them in Durham?


The Rams will get $40,000 plus incentives based on ticket sales.


“We will get a block of tickets to sell here on our campus and there’s an incentive in the contract based on how many tickets we sell,” Walker said. “We want to make sure our fans have a chance to go to the game.”

https://www.journalnow.com/sports/wssu/wssu-n-c-central-will-play-football-in/article_c7cc054b-3237-5565-9286-26b88c776972.html

Can't exactly compare the two.  NCCU's stadium has a listed capacity of 10,000, A&T's stadium has a listed capacity of 21,500.  So A&T stands to make a lot more off of a game with WSSU than NCCU.

Honest question, did Norfolk State pay ECSU the same amount of money they pay VA State?

Your question about ECSU and VA State is so far over those dogs’ heads they cannot comprehend it.

Nah we get it. But like it has been said time and time again, WSSU has no leverage in the situation. Things are great in Greensboro.

Things might be great for you all in Greensboro, but at the end of the day money talks.  Last time WSSU played at A&T the stated attendance was a sellout at 21,500.  Here are the numbers of the other home games against non FCS schools you all have hosted since you lasted hosted WSSU in 2010.

2011 VUL – 11,659
2012 WVSU – 7,084
2012 VUL – 10,852
2013 VUL – 21,500 (HC)
2014 Chowan – 13,184
2015 Shaw – 13,828
2016 St Augs – 11,381
2017 Mars Hill – 12,827

As you see, outside of when you hosted VUL for homecoming, your non FCS games aren't coming close to a sellout.

Both schools are on different trajectories, and the game doesn't benefit either team from a D2 Playoff or Celebration Bowl perspective.  But you are lying to yourself if you believe A&T couldn't use a guaranteed sellout, especially knowing that they will charge near homecoming game prices for tickets.

what you don't realize is that we "net" a much larger profit by playing fbs money games than playing wssu at home, even if we didn't pay them "anything".  so we have "zero" incentive to play them on their terms.  we're making far more money off of ecu and unc charlotte by playing them at their place and at the same time "raising" our profile by kicking their azzzes!

money (home sellout) is not an incentive for us to play wssu because we make waaaaaaaaaaaay more money by playing fbs games.  as the professor truthfully stated, the rams have "zero" leverage on us.  we don't need them at all, but they need us.

we've moved on.  its "our terms" or no terms at all, period.  and we're quite content with no terms at all...

Y'all play around 3 out of conference games a year, so are they all against FBS schools for paychecks??????  You know that answer is no.

So when it comes to games you host what out of conference opponent can you bring to your stadium that will be a sellout?

it don't matter, we ain't got to split our gate with any ooc team we schedule to play at aggie stadium and the only teams we sign a "home-n-home" deal with are fcs teams, not any d2 teams...

I wouldn't expect you all to do any 50/50 gate split.  It could be a flat fee, flat fee plus ticket incentives (see our NCCU deal), or a percentage of the gate.  All I am saying is that for a guaranteed sellout A&T should realize that they have to pay WSSU more than any other team that they would pay to come to Greensboro.  Also, knowing how much A&T would make off of said game it's only natural that WSSU would expect more than they would get for playing another FCS school.

At the end of the day I think a flat fee is the most realistic route to go.  Personally I think that $75k amount brought up earlier in this thread would be a fair offer.   

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Sports Forum / Re: 2020 NCA&T Football Schedule
« on: February 05, 2020, 10:18:34 PM »
No pride we made an offer, WSSU declined and made a counter offer. We declined.

For 2000, we needed a home game for Sept 5th.

Our next opening is 2022, 2023 and 2024. Might wanna get on the phone and tell your AD

We already have Elon on board for 23 and 24

Just outta curiosity,,,,,,,,what were the terms A&T offered WSSU to come to A&T, as opposed to the terms WSSU accepted from NCCU to go to NCCU?

We offered 60K to play us in Greensboro. You have to remember it was a different AD then as well

So, NCCU is paying WSSU more than 60K to play them in Durham?


The Rams will get $40,000 plus incentives based on ticket sales.


“We will get a block of tickets to sell here on our campus and there’s an incentive in the contract based on how many tickets we sell,” Walker said. “We want to make sure our fans have a chance to go to the game.”

https://www.journalnow.com/sports/wssu/wssu-n-c-central-will-play-football-in/article_c7cc054b-3237-5565-9286-26b88c776972.html

Can't exactly compare the two.  NCCU's stadium has a listed capacity of 10,000, A&T's stadium has a listed capacity of 21,500.  So A&T stands to make a lot more off of a game with WSSU than NCCU.

Honest question, did Norfolk State pay ECSU the same amount of money they pay VA State?

Your question about ECSU and VA State is so far over those dogs’ heads they cannot comprehend it.

Nah we get it. But like it has been said time and time again, WSSU has no leverage in the situation. Things are great in Greensboro.

Things might be great for you all in Greensboro, but at the end of the day money talks.  Last time WSSU played at A&T the stated attendance was a sellout at 21,500.  Here are the numbers of the other home games against non FCS schools you all have hosted since you lasted hosted WSSU in 2010.

2011 VUL – 11,659
2012 WVSU – 7,084
2012 VUL – 10,852
2013 VUL – 21,500 (HC)
2014 Chowan – 13,184
2015 Shaw – 13,828
2016 St Augs – 11,381
2017 Mars Hill – 12,827

As you see, outside of when you hosted VUL for homecoming, your non FCS games aren't coming close to a sellout.

Both schools are on different trajectories, and the game doesn't benefit either team from a D2 Playoff or Celebration Bowl perspective.  But you are lying to yourself if you believe A&T couldn't use a guaranteed sellout, especially knowing that they will charge near homecoming game prices for tickets.

what you don't realize is that we "net" a much larger profit by playing fbs money games than playing wssu at home, even if we didn't pay them "anything".  so we have "zero" incentive to play them on their terms.  we're making far more money off of ecu and unc charlotte by playing them at their place and at the same time "raising" our profile by kicking their azzzes!

money (home sellout) is not an incentive for us to play wssu because we make waaaaaaaaaaaay more money by playing fbs games.  as the professor truthfully stated, the rams have "zero" leverage on us.  we don't need them at all, but they need us.

we've moved on.  its "our terms" or no terms at all, period.  and we're quite content with no terms at all...

Y'all play around 3 out of conference games a year, so are they all against FBS schools for paychecks??????  You know that answer is no.

So when it comes to games you host what out of conference opponent can you bring to your stadium that will be a sellout?

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Sports Forum / Re: 2020 NCA&T Football Schedule
« on: February 04, 2020, 04:31:26 PM »
No pride we made an offer, WSSU declined and made a counter offer. We declined.

For 2000, we needed a home game for Sept 5th.

Our next opening is 2022, 2023 and 2024. Might wanna get on the phone and tell your AD

We already have Elon on board for 23 and 24

Just outta curiosity,,,,,,,,what were the terms A&T offered WSSU to come to A&T, as opposed to the terms WSSU accepted from NCCU to go to NCCU?

We offered 60K to play us in Greensboro. You have to remember it was a different AD then as well

So, NCCU is paying WSSU more than 60K to play them in Durham?


The Rams will get $40,000 plus incentives based on ticket sales.


“We will get a block of tickets to sell here on our campus and there’s an incentive in the contract based on how many tickets we sell,” Walker said. “We want to make sure our fans have a chance to go to the game.”

https://www.journalnow.com/sports/wssu/wssu-n-c-central-will-play-football-in/article_c7cc054b-3237-5565-9286-26b88c776972.html

Can't exactly compare the two.  NCCU's stadium has a listed capacity of 10,000, A&T's stadium has a listed capacity of 21,500.  So A&T stands to make a lot more off of a game with WSSU than NCCU.

Honest question, did Norfolk State pay ECSU the same amount of money they pay VA State?

Your question about ECSU and VA State is so far over those dogs’ heads they cannot comprehend it.

Nah we get it. But like it has been said time and time again, WSSU has no leverage in the situation. Things are great in Greensboro.

Things might be great for you all in Greensboro, but at the end of the day money talks.  Last time WSSU played at A&T the stated attendance was a sellout at 21,500.  Here are the numbers of the other home games against non FCS schools you all have hosted since you lasted hosted WSSU in 2010.

2011 VUL – 11,659
2012 WVSU – 7,084
2012 VUL – 10,852
2013 VUL – 21,500 (HC)
2014 Chowan – 13,184
2015 Shaw – 13,828
2016 St Augs – 11,381
2017 Mars Hill – 12,827

As you see, outside of when you hosted VUL for homecoming, your non FCS games aren't coming close to a sellout.

Both schools are on different trajectories, and the game doesn't benefit either team from a D2 Playoff or Celebration Bowl perspective.  But you are lying to yourself if you believe A&T couldn't use a guaranteed sellout, especially knowing that they will charge near homecoming game prices for tickets.

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Sports Forum / Re: 2020 NCA&T Football Schedule
« on: February 04, 2020, 01:54:00 PM »
No pride we made an offer, WSSU declined and made a counter offer. We declined.

For 2000, we needed a home game for Sept 5th.

Our next opening is 2022, 2023 and 2024. Might wanna get on the phone and tell your AD

We already have Elon on board for 23 and 24

Just outta curiosity,,,,,,,,what were the terms A&T offered WSSU to come to A&T, as opposed to the terms WSSU accepted from NCCU to go to NCCU?

We offered 60K to play us in Greensboro. You have to remember it was a different AD then as well

So, NCCU is paying WSSU more than 60K to play them in Durham?


The Rams will get $40,000 plus incentives based on ticket sales.


“We will get a block of tickets to sell here on our campus and there’s an incentive in the contract based on how many tickets we sell,” Walker said. “We want to make sure our fans have a chance to go to the game.”

https://www.journalnow.com/sports/wssu/wssu-n-c-central-will-play-football-in/article_c7cc054b-3237-5565-9286-26b88c776972.html

Can't exactly compare the two.  NCCU's stadium has a listed capacity of 10,000, A&T's stadium has a listed capacity of 21,500.  So A&T stands to make a lot more off of a game with WSSU than NCCU.

Honest question, did Norfolk State pay ECSU the same amount of money they pay VA State?

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