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Politics / Re: The #ADOS & #MAGA convergence...
« on: Yesterday at 07:39:07 PM »
This short essay by my man Jared Ball touches on ADOS.

He thinks that the paragraph quoted below from his comments was the reason that he was disinvited to participate in a panel with ADOS advocates.


Our response can only be a collective and political movement that, as has been born out historically as necessary, must contain a particular internationalist approach as well. That is, Black communities cannot seek redress to issues of White supremacist educational narratives absent a political movement that seeks power over policy. This, and other domestic efforts like it, cannot be expected to advance absent international solidarity and external support. As has been exemplified by every major leader and movement produced in the United States by African descended people seeking liberty there have been calls for international solidarity and support. Enslaved Africans sought support from and were inspired by the Haitian Revolution. Abolitionists, suffragists, civil and human rights figures from Ida B. Wells to Dr. King, Malcolm X and the Black Panther Party have all seen their struggles as intimately connected to, in need of support from and even indebted to similar struggles, movements and individuals from around the world.

I would add the specific note that the anti-colonial struggle and particularly the independence of Ghana in 1959 was inspiring to Africans/Black folks in the US of A during a rebirth of militancy re civil rights.

The entire essay by Dr. Ball is excellent reading and touches on many subjects of interest including Freud's last and mostly ignored book, which maintained that Moses was an African/Kemetan who "needed to (be made) into a Jew."  That, if true, gives you a good idea of how long the hijacking of African/Black culture and history has been going on.


A much-overlooked rebellion by enslaved Africans in Adams County, MS and why and how it was erased from history.

Has ANYONE ever heard of it?

Note that the rebellion conspiracy occurred DURING the Civil War. And that Adams County is home to the strategially critical Natchez.  There are reports that up to 20% of Confederate manpower had to be kept on the "home front" to prevent our Ancestors from taking matters into their own hands for liberation.

Tumult and Silence at Second Creek: An Inquiry into a Civil War Slave Conspiracy (review)


Tumult and Silence at Second Creek: An Inquiry into a Civil War Slave Conspiracy. By Winthrop D. Jordan. Louisiana State University Press, 1993. 391 pp. Cloth, $24.95. Reviewed by Charles Joyner, Burroughs Professor of History at Coastal Carolina University. He is author of "Down by the Riverside: A South Carolina Slave Community.

More than twenty years ago, a young assistant archivist at the Louisiana State University Archives brought an unusual document to the attention of Winthrop Jordan, a visiting historian. A cover note said "these four sheets of paper" were "the literal, original testimony taken down" by Lemuel P. Connor regarding an "uprising of negroe Slaves near Natchez Miss just before Civil War." The document, written in Connor's own hand, consisted of reports of the testimony of twenty slaves, two of them examined twice, about a slave rebellion of unknown dimensions in Adams County, Mississippi, in mid-September 1862.

Fascinated, both historian and archivist thought the subject might be developed into an article. The rebellion had been discovered and quashed by the slaveholders, and at least twenty-seven slaves had been executed. Yet, as Jordan began to look for corroborating evidence , he found that "this slave plot was kept so quiet at the time that it has since remained virtually unknown, or at least not written about by historians, or (so far as can be discovered) even spoken of by living descendants of the antagonists."

After more than two decades of exhaustively searching for documents and patiently sifting an obscure array of "fragmentary and often ambiguous" sources, Jordan has produced Tumult and Silence at Second Creek. The book is not only a history of a particular slave conspiracy, but also an engaging detective story and a philosophical treatise on what Jordan calls "the nature of historical inference." He intensively cross-examines his sources and teases out the meaning of their collective silence, a silence that he says "lies like a smothering tarpaulin on the mountain of pain in Adams County, Mississippi, in 1861."

Tumult and Silence offers possibilities, not proofs; it nevertheless sets an extraordinarily high standard of historical analysis. While Jordan makes no explicit claims to anthropological method, his careful attention to ethnographic details allows their meanings to become more visible. He is unusually sensitive to the otherness of people in the past, implicitly responding to the dictum of Claude Lévi-Strauss that "both history and ethnography are concerned with societies other than the one in which we live."

The slaves who took part in the plot at Second Creek, Jordan writes, "need to be taken seriously as individuals with their own agendas and concerns, living as they did in situations very different from ours and, indeed, participating in a culture that, no matter how much it influenced our own, no longer exists."

Jordan seeks to penetrate the surface of events to discover the skeletal substructure beneath the tough hide of behavior and expression. He treats the historical events of the Second Creek plot as a collection of "texts" in which the slaves as cultural actors reveal how they perceive their world. As he notes, "Expectations about what people should and would do powerfully shaped what individuals planned and said and did."

In a dozen chapters Jordan reads his "texts" against the Mississippi environment, its sights, sounds, and voices; its water, land, and work; its politics, ideologies, and leaders; its rebels and road travelers; and its women, black and white. He even pays attention to the slaves' time orientation. Such close analysis perfectly exemplifies what others have called "ethnographic history."
Jordan's perception of pattern in the historical events of the Second Creek plot is close to anthropologist Victor Turner's conception of "social drama," structured in time rather than in space and guided by subjective paradigms in the heads of the actors, "root" paradigms that reach toward the fundamental assumptions that undergird society. Jordan reads the plot as "a collaborative effort, with people on both the black and the white sides cooperating collectively amongst themselves and, without fully knowing it, with each other because both shared assumptions about what was possible, what was likely, and what was right."
Joyner, Charles. "Tumult and Silence at Second Creek: An Inquiry into a Civil War Slave Conspiracy (review)." Southern Cultures, vol. 1 no. 1, 1994, pp. 106-108. Project MUSE, doi:10.1353/scu.1994.0023

We have always resisted, but very often that truth is buried.

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Politics / Re: Kamala aside The #ADOS movement is petty
« on: Yesterday at 10:54:17 AM »

Neymar said..

I have always spoken up for Africans...


Where, dude?

After establishing indelibly your rep for dissembling about what you've said on this Board, you cannot expect ANYONE to take your word for it.

Surely, if you "ALWAYS" have done so, it won't be difficult for you to find examples and give us the links.

Just off the top of my head I can think of several anti-African statements by you and I have already shared them multiple times.

You said (in a foreign language, so - you thought - no one could understand) that Bantus (THE VAST MAJORITY OF AFRICANS) are your sworn enemy, so.... It's a bit difficult for you to balance that out, you know?


What happened, Neymar?

You couldn't find ANY examples??




PLUS you are outright lying when you say you would not question Blacks whose foreparents lived and are living in the West.  You said that "we" are not Black in a traditional way!!!!!! 

Most Modern day descendants of slaves in the western hemisphere arent black in the traditional sense either. They have worldviews, heritage, and in many cases even hair that separates them from their origins on the gold coast.

That quote is from the thread in which we began a conversation in earnest with each other. 

Even your last post [in that thread] is laced with sarcasm in which you belittle efforts by Africans/Blacks in the West to recapture some of our stolen legacy.  You couldn't resist the dig, dude, and it came thru loud and clear. 

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I would never tell Black Americans that their identity was nothing more than some slave identity created when an outside group wanted to classify them.


NOBODY missed it; certainly not me.


« on: February 22, 2019, 06:11:35 PM »
Don't tell Olds..t that I left 14 years ago...



Anyone surprised?

Laura Ingraham goes after critics of controversial 1971 John Wayne interview: 'This is what the Taliban does'

Ain't that completely PI-TI-FUL!!

Don't know if I can find it now, but years ago I ran across a quote from Johnnie Wayne in the apartheid-era Johannesburg Star.

He decried the "do-gooders" who had supported independence for Tanzania.  He rhetorically asked, "Where are red-blooded American boys going to go to test their manhood?" (paraphrased)

I used it on my radio show at the time.


Politics / Re: Kamala aside The #ADOS movement is petty
« on: February 22, 2019, 03:06:29 PM »
I didnt answer because you called the Jamaican sperm donor (who has attacked his daughter in the media very recently from what I have seen) "blacker than I ever could be"

 :lmao:    :lmao:
Any excuse will do...

You fit the Italian stereotype you promote more each day...

"Lose then lie," I believe you said.  Or was it, "Cheat, then lie."

What's gonna be your new excuse for not answering Que's similar request??


The obvious and obverse question is:

Is the GOP getting whiter, less educated and more conservative?

I suspect it is - along with more racist.


The question Geovanis has to ask himself is:

Am I safer in Moscow or a US jail or witness protection program?


Olds..t, wasn't it you who said he would not get the GOP nomination?


« on: February 21, 2019, 11:02:20 PM »
I'll say this much...

If there is a controversy about whether her father was a diplomat at the time and the #ErraticTrump folks say he was,....

I SERIOUSLY doubt what they say is true.


Surprising that Carlson said, "I hope this gets picked up."

Be careful what you wish for, Tucker!

I have noticed an increasingly shrill devolution of Carlson over the last couple of years. 

I have concluded that he is experiencing emotional and psychological wind shear from having to defend the indefensible.... or being "forced" to remain silent as he sees his Conservative values being shredded by #Loser45 and the hostage GOP.


This short video gives a bit of the history of General Patrick Cleburne's proposal to arm and promise freedom to enslaved Africans/Blacks if they fought for the South.  It does not mention that he was labeled a traitor and, despite his outstanding generalship, never got another star while other less distinguished general officers did.  Cleburne was an immigrant and did not own slaves.

He was killed in the November 1864 Battle of Franklin (south of Nashville, Tennessee) and his body was laid out on the portico of the Carnton plantation house where my great grandmother Mariah was enslaved.

The late and much esteemed Hari Jones is featured with his low-keyed but powerful destruction of the myth of our Ancestors fighting in any significant way or number for the Confederacy.


Overlooked No More: Dorothy Bolden, Who Started a Movement for Domestic Workers


Bolden adapted the organizing techniques she learned as a civil rights activist to secure protections for domestic workers, a largely unregulated part of the work force.

Dorothy Bolden circa 1970s, when she led the National Domestic Workers Union of America. “When she saw something that wasn’t fair, or just, or right, she would say something,” said Representative John Lewis of Georgia.


Thank you Ms. Bolden!! 
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