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Title: "We'll Be Back" _WSSU Rams
Post by: Ram55 on December 30, 2014, 10:19:32 AM
http://www.journalnow.com/sports/wssu/year-in-review-despite-staff-turnover-wssu-anticipates-continued-success/article_966b8d06-8fb8-11e4-964f-6b4c516f780c.html

Go WSSU Rams!
Title: Re: "We'll Be Back" _WSSU Rams
Post by: eagle pride on December 30, 2014, 04:38:18 PM
Where are you going?
Title: Re: "We'll Be Back" _WSSU Rams
Post by: Ram55 on December 30, 2014, 06:04:01 PM
Where are you going?

We expected to have the best football team we ever had this past season but instead things did not work out that way.I was making reference to the attached article indicating that we still have the same expectations as the past four years. "We'll be back is my way of saying keep an eye on us Rams from WSSU. We are losing so many players from our football team, and it might take a year or two for us to come back. Our offense could be just as good as this years team but the defense could be in a world of hurt, unless we get some transfers. We do have plenty of  red shirt players, but we all know, you have to have real men to play defensive line on the national level. And those red shirts, might not be real men.
Title: Re: "We'll Be Back" _WSSU Rams
Post by: Pirate12 on January 02, 2015, 12:23:50 PM
Where are you going?

We expected to have the best football team we ever had this past season but instead things did not work out that way.I was making reference to the attached article indicating that we still have the same expectations as the past four years. "We'll be back is my way of saying keep an eye on us Rams from WSSU. We are losing so many players from our football team, and it might take a year or two for us to come back. Our offense could be just as good as this years team but the defense could be in a world of hurt, unless we get some transfers. We do have plenty of  red shirt players, but we all know, you have to have real men to play defensive line on the national level. And those red shirts, might not be real men.

Welp...okay now  :tiptoe: HIU has a few players that you guys can have.  :tiptoe:
Title: Re: "We'll Be Back" _WSSU Rams
Post by: TrueEagle on January 02, 2015, 01:09:00 PM
Ram55,
Do you think that y'alls transfer pipeline has been/will be adversely affected by the departure of Maynor...and Bill Hayes? Or, could it be that Boulware is not going to use the same blueprint for using (I don't want to use the term "rely on") transfers.

Let me just take a moment to congratulate the WSSU Rams. What they have done is tremendous. They have made it look so easy, that many of us from the outside cannot really appreciate the body of work that has happened there. As someone that actually played in the playoffs, I  can tell you that it is a WHOLE 'NOTHER LEVEL of football than what you play in the regular season.
Title: Re: "We'll Be Back" _WSSU Rams
Post by: Dallas33 on January 02, 2015, 02:41:30 PM
I think the loss of the CO-Defensive will have a bigger impact than the loss of Maynor with regards to recruits .  I ranked Hart slightly over Mayor when it came to getting transfers he was responsible for many of the FBS talent that had a Winston-Salem/ NC roots. Our current Staff is great as far as X and O's but when it comes to relating to our players and getting the most out of them  l'm a little concerned going forward. This staff has roots in PWC football  time will tell if they will be able to keep the inner city pipeline going and  maneuver in the chitlin circuit with limited resources. Maynor and Hart both had the ability to relate and get the maximum out of our talent, our offense had the most talent we have ever had but the decision not to play one Qb or Rb couple that with vanilla play calling i'm not excited about the future with the OC.  You could see there was a disconnect this year somewhere and I hope it gets better but if the players don't trust the coaches the issues could return.
Title: Re: "We'll Be Back" _WSSU Rams
Post by: The Truth on January 02, 2015, 08:40:28 PM
I think the loss of the CO-Defensive will have a bigger impact than the loss of Maynor with regards to recruits .  I ranked Hart slightly over Mayor when it came to getting transfers he was responsible for many of the FBS talent that had a Winston-Salem/ NC roots. Our current Staff is great as far as X and O's but when it comes to relating to our players and getting the most out of them  l'm a little concerned going forward. This staff has roots in PWC football  time will tell if they will be able to keep the inner city pipeline going and  maneuver in the chitlin circuit with limited resources. Maynor and Hart both had the ability to relate and get the maximum out of our talent, our offense had the most talent we have ever had but the decision not to play one Qb or Rb couple that with vanilla play calling i'm not excited about the future with the OC.  You could see there was a disconnect this year somewhere and I hope it gets better but if the players don't trust the coaches the issues could return.

I know Bill Hayes very well along with inside sources. The coach that was fired wasn't the guy you are wanting us to think he was. He has been released at every coaching staff that he has worked for. We are just fine without him. NCCU didn't fall and I don't think WSU will either. Looking at the WSU roster, I don't see a lot of Winston-Salem talent on the past few teams.  :tiptoe:
Title: Re: "We'll Be Back" _WSSU Rams
Post by: Ram55 on January 02, 2015, 09:04:58 PM
Ram55,
Do you think that y'alls transfer pipeline has been/will be adversely affected by the departure of Maynor...and Bill Hayes? Or, could it be that Boulware is not going to use the same blueprint for using (I don't want to use the term "rely on") transfers.

Let me just take a moment to congratulate the WSSU Rams. What they have done is tremendous. They have made it look so easy, that many of us from the outside cannot really appreciate the body of work that has happened there. As someone that actually played in the playoffs, I  can tell you that it is a WHOLE 'NOTHER LEVEL of football than what you play in the regular season.

WSSU had the perfect storm when we returned to D2. We had a chancellor that gave more financial support to the program than when we previously was in the CIAA. This was his attempt to insure our success and to soften the outcry form the Ram fans who was mad for him returning us to D2. He hired Bill Hayes who he knew Ram fans liked. Bill hired Maynor - one of his students of the game. All that is now gone, so we will have to try to maintain that level of success with all new people.

We will continue to get some transfers as long as the new chancellor gives them the money to do so. Our new leader is not under pressure to rob Peter to pay Paul like Reaves was. But without our real rivals on the home schedule, it will be hard to find that money. Eventually we will return to being just a good CIAA school, but nothing more.
Title: Re: "We'll Be Back" _WSSU Rams
Post by: Dallas33 on January 02, 2015, 09:11:16 PM
I think the loss of the CO-Defensive will have a bigger impact than the loss of Maynor with regards to recruits .  I ranked Hart slightly over Mayor when it came to getting transfers he was responsible for many of the FBS talent that had a Winston-Salem/ NC roots. Our current Staff is great as far as X and O's but when it comes to relating to our players and getting the most out of them  l'm a little concerned going forward. This staff has roots in PWC football  time will tell if they will be able to keep the inner city pipeline going and  maneuver in the chitlin circuit with limited resources. Maynor and Hart both had the ability to relate and get the maximum out of our talent, our offense had the most talent we have ever had but the decision not to play one Qb or Rb couple that with vanilla play calling i'm not excited about the future with the OC.  You could see there was a disconnect this year somewhere and I hope it gets better but if the players don't trust the coaches the issues could return.

I know Bill Hayes very well along with inside sources. The coach that was fired wasn't the guy you are wanting us to think he was. He has been released at every coaching staff that he has worked for. We are just fine without him. NCCU didn't fall and I don't think WSU will either. Looking at the WSU roster, I don't see a lot of Winston-Salem talent on the past few teams.  :tiptoe:


That might be true but Maynor tried to get rid of him as well but Bill intervened and the coach was allowed to continue. It's all a moot point now Wssu has lost both coordinators in this off season it will be interesting to see who the new hires will be.
Title: Re: "We'll Be Back" _WSSU Rams
Post by: The Truth on January 02, 2015, 09:38:09 PM
I just read that myself. I didnt exspect the OC to be there long anyway. This could hurt to have a third OC in three seasons.
Title: Re: "We'll Be Back" _WSSU Rams
Post by: Pirate12 on January 05, 2015, 10:11:36 AM

Very interesting...I would think that Natrone Means because of his Nike Football Training Camp deal and recruiting service would know about some players that have fallen between the cracks. Now, as far as Darren Hart it seems like most of the transfers he brought to WSSU were former players he coached in high school or at ECU. Look nobody has a great team forever--it goes in cycles. You win and you lose. At this point I am more concerned about all MEAC schools being able to hang in their with dwindling funds, fewer black students coming to HBCUs, fewer students able to get financial aid etc. Lastly, regardless of the transfers I would rather have fundamentally sound players coached by coaches that know fundamentals. I looked at some of the rosters of the D2 teams that advanced in the playoffs and it seems like many were high school recruits that had good coaching and knew how to play the game. I saw the clips of the CIAA championship game and WSSU made many, many mental errors and fundamental errors. I think talent wise they were better but motivation and heart and desire--plus good coaching can make up for overall talent.

Also, I wonder how much Boulware and his coaches are able to motivate the kids they have. You literally have to be father, psychologist, brother, mother to these kids now a days. I remember seeing Bill Hayes on the sidelines when A&T played HIU praying, crying, screaming, and doing all he could to motivate his players. Coach Taylor was just a tactically good coach who used fundamentals--no emotional motivation needed.
Title: Re: "We'll Be Back" _WSSU Rams
Post by: Ram55 on January 05, 2015, 12:02:49 PM

Very interesting...I would think that Natrone Means because of his Nike Football Training Camp deal and recruiting service would know about some players that have fallen between the cracks. Now, as far as Darren Hart it seems like most of the transfers he brought to WSSU were former players he coached in high school or at ECU. Look nobody has a great team forever--it goes in cycles. You win and you lose. At this point I am more concerned about all MEAC schools being able to hang in their with dwindling funds, fewer black students coming to HBCUs, fewer students able to get financial aid etc. Lastly, regardless of the transfers I would rather have fundamentally sound players coached by coaches that know fundamentals. I looked at some of the rosters of the D2 teams that advanced in the playoffs and it seems like many were high school recruits that had good coaching and knew how to play the game. I saw the clips of the CIAA championship game and WSSU made many, many mental errors and fundamental errors. I think talent wise they were better but motivation and heart and desire--plus good coaching can make up for overall talent.

Also, I wonder how much Boulware and his coaches are able to motivate the kids they have. You literally have to be father, psychologist, brother, mother to these kids now a days. I remember seeing Bill Hayes on the sidelines when A&T played HIU praying, crying, screaming, and doing all he could to motivate his players. Coach Taylor was just a tactically good coach who used fundamentals--no emotional motivation needed.

I agree with all of that. Sometimes when you have too much talent, everyone waits on others to step up. Most of our close games you could sense that we knew all we had to do is play a little harder at the end and things would work out. This practice is what caused us to lose the CIAA. The motivation to play hard, hungry and fundamentally strong was not there this year. Hopefully next year we can be better with less talent and more heart.
Title: Re: "We'll Be Back" _WSSU Rams
Post by: PharoahNupe94 on January 05, 2015, 01:48:10 PM
Hopefully next year we can be better with less talent and more heart.

Ram55
Your lack of faith in the boys in very distrubing.   :no:
I think that it's possible that we may be off a bit next year but lets wait and see what's coming in before you make those prediction.
wheeew ease up.  :hugs: :brickwall:
Title: Re: "We'll Be Back" _WSSU Rams
Post by: Ram55 on January 05, 2015, 03:33:54 PM
Hopefully next year we can be better with less talent and more heart.

Ram55
Your lack of faith in the boys in very distrubing.   :no:
I think that it's possible that we may be off a bit next year but lets wait and see what's coming in before you make those prediction.
wheeew ease up.  :hugs: :brickwall:

I don't think my faith in team is what kept us from being great. We had everything we needed to  get it done, but did not. Now, a 9-2 season is pretty darn good by any standards, but this team should have been great, not just good. My comments was based on what was obvious about last years team. Most of the time players were taking plays off mentally, waiting on others to get it done. This was the reason for all those penalties and the chemistry never developing. This is the reason that with less talent we may be better off next year. They will be hungry and have something to prove.

GO RAMS!
Title: Re: "We'll Be Back" _WSSU Rams
Post by: PharoahNupe94 on January 05, 2015, 04:46:44 PM

I don't think my faith in team is what kept us from being great. We had everything we needed to  get it done, but did not. Now, a 9-2 season is pretty darn good by any standards, but this team should have been great, not just good. My comments was based on what was obvious about last years team. Most of the time players were taking plays off mentally, waiting on others to get it done. This was the reason for all those penalties and the chemistry never developing. This is the reason that with less talent we may be better off next year. They will be hungry and have something to prove.

GO RAMS!
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Bruh!!  :o
You hit it right on the head with that comment.   :clap:
Title: Re: "We'll Be Back" _WSSU Rams
Post by: The Truth on January 05, 2015, 05:29:46 PM
We would all like to have the success and record that WSU has had over the recent past. I am starting to hear the same comments about the Rams like i did when Blount was there. 9-2 in Aggie land, we are in the playoffs. Looking at the staff at WSU, they have some powerful recruiters on staff starting with Greg Richardson.  I have known him for a long time and he has been the top recruiter on every staff he has been a part of. Bill's nephew was a top recruiter when he was with us and trained by his uncle himself.
 :popcorn: