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Title: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: oldsport on December 15, 2014, 05:02:51 PM
I see more of this type conduct out of policemen today....

https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/cops-act-of-kindness-toward-shoplifting-grandma-105274449522.html
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Ken on December 15, 2014, 06:46:11 PM
ARE WE GOING TO BELIEVE YOUR OPINION OR OUR LYING EYES???? :tiptoe:
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: soflorattler on December 16, 2014, 07:13:51 AM
Was told long ago- we know what comes after "but(t)". Isht....
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: oldsport on December 16, 2014, 09:44:24 AM
ARE WE GOING TO BELIEVE YOUR OPINION OR OUR LYING EYES???? :tiptoe:


Let's run the numbers....How many K----s were killed by cops in 2014 vs. K----s gunned down by other thug K----s? And under what circumstance did the K----s lose their life to cops vs. what K----s lost their life to other K----s?
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Wildman78 on December 16, 2014, 09:51:32 AM
ARE WE GOING TO BELIEVE YOUR OPINION OR OUR LYING EYES???? :tiptoe:


Let's run the numbers....How many K----s were killed by cops in 2014 vs. K----s gunned down by other thug K----s? And under what circumstance did the K----s lose their life to cops vs. what K----s lost their life to other K----s?

Again, you are conflating the issues. The relevant numbers are how many times have Black people loss thier lives to cops and the cops aren't prosecuted. Stop pretending you dont' understand.  :no:
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: oldsport on December 16, 2014, 10:46:43 AM
ARE WE GOING TO BELIEVE YOUR OPINION OR OUR LYING EYES???? :tiptoe:


Let's run the numbers....How many K----s were killed by cops in 2014 vs. K----s gunned down by other thug K----s? And under what circumstance did the K----s lose their life to cops vs. what K----s lost their life to other K----s?

Again, you are conflating the issues. The relevant numbers are how many times have Black people loss thier lives to cops and the cops aren't prosecuted. Stop pretending you dont' understand.  :no:

I am not conflating a dyam thing. You and other K----s don't want to confront the 1000 lb gorilla in the room - US!
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Wildman78 on December 16, 2014, 12:08:04 PM

I am not conflating a dyam thing. You and other K----s don't want to confront the 1000 lb gorilla in the room - US!

There yo go with the name calling again. Getting all emotional, for what.  :shrug:

Yes,  you are conflating the issues. One issue is that Black people are disproportionately involved in the criminal justice system. However, that is separate from police officers shooting Black males under questionable circumstances and not facing criminal charges.

I am not afraid to confront either issue.

Are you really arguing that Black people shouldn't be concern about police shooting  and killing unarmed Black men because Black men are disproportionately represented in the criminal justice system.

What criminal act was Tamir Rice committing?
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Ken on December 16, 2014, 12:57:21 PM
PLUS THE NUMBERS THAT OS IS SPOUTING IS NEITHER VALID NOR ACCURATE- THOSE STATISTICS ARE VOLUnTARY GIVEN BY LOCAL  LAW ENFORECEMENT DEPARTMENTS AND ALL DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN THOSE NUMBERS- THE REAL QUESTION SHOULD BE HOW MANY UNARMED BLACKS ARE KILLED BY POLICE- EVERY OTHER NUMBER OR STATISTIC IS IRRELEVANT. 
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: oldsport on December 16, 2014, 01:08:26 PM
PLUS THE NUMBERS THAT OS IS SPOUTING IS NEITHER VALID NOR ACCURATE- THOSE STATISTICS ARE VOLUnTARY GIVEN BY LOCAL  LAW ENFORECEMENT DEPARTMENTS AND ALL DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN THOSE NUMBERS- THE REAL QUESTION SHOULD BE HOW MANY UNARMED BLACKS ARE KILLED BY POLICE- EVERY OTHER NUMBER OR STATISTIC IS IRRELEVANT. 

Keep being delusional - K----. K----s are killing K----s at a alarming rate as well as their involvement in petty and serious criminal conduct. Guess what - none of this s**t is because racism made them do it. You can keep making all the dyam excuses you want.
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: CU1994 on December 16, 2014, 01:14:01 PM
PLUS THE NUMBERS THAT OS IS SPOUTING IS NEITHER VALID NOR ACCURATE- THOSE STATISTICS ARE VOLUnTARY GIVEN BY LOCAL  LAW ENFORECEMENT DEPARTMENTS AND ALL DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN THOSE NUMBERS- THE REAL QUESTION SHOULD BE HOW MANY UNARMED BLACKS ARE KILLED BY POLICE- EVERY OTHER NUMBER OR STATISTIC IS IRRELEVANT. 

Keep being delusional - K----. K----s are killing K----s at a alarming rate as well as their involvement in petty and serious criminal conduct. Guess what - none of this s**t is because racism made them do it. You can keep making all the dyam excuses you want.

The murder rate has significantly decreased. Surely you knew this right? Now back to the topic of how white supremacy is allowing police officers to murder unarmed black males and without holding them accountable.
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: oldsport on December 16, 2014, 01:16:04 PM
PLUS THE NUMBERS THAT OS IS SPOUTING IS NEITHER VALID NOR ACCURATE- THOSE STATISTICS ARE VOLUnTARY GIVEN BY LOCAL  LAW ENFORECEMENT DEPARTMENTS AND ALL DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN THOSE NUMBERS- THE REAL QUESTION SHOULD BE HOW MANY UNARMED BLACKS ARE KILLED BY POLICE- EVERY OTHER NUMBER OR STATISTIC IS IRRELEVANT. 

Keep being delusional - K----. K----s are killing K----s at a alarming rate as well as their involvement in petty and serious criminal conduct. Guess what - none of this s**t is because racism made them do it. You can keep making all the dyam excuses you want.

The murder rate has significantly decreased. Surely you knew this right? Now back to the topic of how white supremacy is allowing police officers to murder unarmed black males and without holding them accountable.

I don't consider what happen to Garner or Brown murder.
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Ken on December 16, 2014, 01:16:18 PM
wHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH JUSTICE FOR A INDIVIDUAL PERSON- IF THE MAFIA IS A PROBLEM - SHOULD WE SHOOT ALL UNARMED ITALIANS WITHOUT PROBABLE CAUSE??-- WHAT ABOUT THE REMITTING CRIME ON WALL STREET ??? SHOULD THE COPS DO SOME STOP AND FRISK ALL THOSE WALL STREET GUYS- THOSE CRIMES COST MORE  DOLLARSTO AMERICA THAN BLACK ON BLACK CRIME.??
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: CU1994 on December 16, 2014, 01:19:12 PM
PLUS THE NUMBERS THAT OS IS SPOUTING IS NEITHER VALID NOR ACCURATE- THOSE STATISTICS ARE VOLUnTARY GIVEN BY LOCAL  LAW ENFORECEMENT DEPARTMENTS AND ALL DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN THOSE NUMBERS- THE REAL QUESTION SHOULD BE HOW MANY UNARMED BLACKS ARE KILLED BY POLICE- EVERY OTHER NUMBER OR STATISTIC IS IRRELEVANT. 

Keep being delusional - K----. K----s are killing K----s at a alarming rate as well as their involvement in petty and serious criminal conduct. Guess what - none of this s**t is because racism made them do it. You can keep making all the dyam excuses you want.

The murder rate has significantly decreased. Surely you knew this right? Now back to the topic of how white supremacy is allowing police officers to murder unarmed black males and without holding them accountable.

I don't consider what happen to Garner or Brown murder.

Before we talk about what you consider murder, please respond to the fact that the murder rate is decreasing and you continue to bring up "black on black crime" as false equivalent to police shooting unarmed black men.
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: oldsport on December 16, 2014, 01:21:43 PM
wHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH JUSTICE FOR A INDIVIDUAL PERSON- IF THE MAFIA IS A PROBLEM - SHOULD WE SHOOT ALL UNARMED ITALIANS WITHOUT PROBABLE CAUSE??-- WHAT ABOUT THE REMITTING CRIME ON WALL STREET ??? SHOULD THE COPS DO SOME STOP AND FRISK ALL THOSE WALL STREET GUYS- THOSE CRIMES COST MORE  DOLLARSTO AMERICA THAN BLACK ON BLACK CRIME.??

Criminals on Wall Street go to jail too. Don't get into the apples and oranges discussion. No one is shooting ALL unarmed blacks. These two K----s had placed themselves on the opposite side of law. There are alot of blacks shooting unarmed blacks. GET REAL K----.
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: oldsport on December 16, 2014, 01:24:22 PM
PLUS THE NUMBERS THAT OS IS SPOUTING IS NEITHER VALID NOR ACCURATE- THOSE STATISTICS ARE VOLUnTARY GIVEN BY LOCAL  LAW ENFORECEMENT DEPARTMENTS AND ALL DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN THOSE NUMBERS- THE REAL QUESTION SHOULD BE HOW MANY UNARMED BLACKS ARE KILLED BY POLICE- EVERY OTHER NUMBER OR STATISTIC IS IRRELEVANT. 

Keep being delusional - K----. K----s are killing K----s at a alarming rate as well as their involvement in petty and serious criminal conduct. Guess what - none of this s**t is because racism made them do it. You can keep making all the dyam excuses you want.

The murder rate has significantly decreased. Surely you knew this right? Now back to the topic of how white supremacy is allowing police officers to murder unarmed black males and without holding them accountable.

I don't consider what happen to Garner or Brown murder.

Before we talk about what you consider murder, please respond to the fact that the murder rate is decreasing and you continue to bring up "black on black crime" as false equivalent to police shooting unarmed black men.

You would never know it about the nightly news in any American urban city. Hey, the crime rate is not low enough especially among a population that 13% of the total population but has a murder rate (black on black) that's way out of proportion of it's percentage of the total population of this country. You K----s want to make excuses.
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: CU1994 on December 16, 2014, 01:37:05 PM
PLUS THE NUMBERS THAT OS IS SPOUTING IS NEITHER VALID NOR ACCURATE- THOSE STATISTICS ARE VOLUnTARY GIVEN BY LOCAL  LAW ENFORECEMENT DEPARTMENTS AND ALL DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN THOSE NUMBERS- THE REAL QUESTION SHOULD BE HOW MANY UNARMED BLACKS ARE KILLED BY POLICE- EVERY OTHER NUMBER OR STATISTIC IS IRRELEVANT. 

Keep being delusional - K----. K----s are killing K----s at a alarming rate as well as their involvement in petty and serious criminal conduct. Guess what - none of this s**t is because racism made them do it. You can keep making all the dyam excuses you want.

The murder rate has significantly decreased. Surely you knew this right? Now back to the topic of how white supremacy is allowing police officers to murder unarmed black males and without holding them accountable.

I don't consider what happen to Garner or Brown murder.

Before we talk about what you consider murder, please respond to the fact that the murder rate is decreasing and you continue to bring up "black on black crime" as false equivalent to police shooting unarmed black men.

You would never know it about the nightly news in any American urban city. Hey, the crime rate is not low enough especially among a population that 13% of the total population but has a murder rate (black on black) that's way out of proportion of it's percentage of the total population of this country. You K----s want to make excuses.

Whether you think it's too high or not, the fact is the murder rate is lower than it has been in years. Teenage pregnancy is the same. Read this article from 2013.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2013/05/us-murder-rate-track-be-lowest-century

You've bought into the stereotype of the black boogeyman postulated by the dominant society. Pilgrims have trained you to degrade your people while you praise them and help them keep their dominance over dark skin people. The pat on your head and the n---a trinkets they give you aren't worth it.  :nono2:
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Ken on December 16, 2014, 01:38:54 PM
AGAIN YOUR MURDER RATE IS NOT VALID - NOT ALL POLICE AND LAW ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT REPORT THEIR MURDER RATE- SO UNLESS ALL REPORT YOU REALLY CAN NOT MAKE A VALID CONCLUSION

ONE THING THAT IS TRUE--WHEN BLACK PEOPLE COMMIT CRIMES AGAINST BLACK PEOPLE, THEY FACE PROSECUTION, BUT WHEN POLICE OFFICERS COMMIT CRIMES AGAINST BLACK PEOPLE THEY FACE GETTING OFF WITH LITTLE IF ANY PUNISHMENT- YOUR BLACK ON BLACK CRIME CRAP IS JUST A DIVERSION FROM THE PRICIPAL ARGUMENT.
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Ken on December 16, 2014, 01:41:36 PM
YEA OLDSPORT- JUST BECAUSE YOU PUT A CHERRY ON A PILE OF s**t DOES NOT MAKE IT A SUNDAE.
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: oldsport on December 16, 2014, 02:07:38 PM
AGAIN YOUR MURDER RATE IS NOT VALID - NOT ALL POLICE AND LAW ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT REPORT THEIR MURDER RATE- SO UNLESS ALL REPORT YOU REALLY CAN NOT MAKE A VALID CONCLUSION

ONE THING THAT IS TRUE--WHEN BLACK PEOPLE COMMIT CRIMES AGAINST BLACK PEOPLE, THEY FACE PROSECUTION, BUT WHEN POLICE OFFICERS COMMIT CRIMES AGAINST BLACK PEOPLE THEY FACE GETTING OFF WITH LITTLE IF ANY PUNISHMENT- YOUR BLACK ON BLACK CRIME CRAP IS JUST A DIVERSION FROM THE PRICIPAL ARGUMENT.

Yes it's diversion and black bodies continue to pull up in the funeral homes as a result of murder by another black. And my God some of them are innocent children who either got in the way or were senselessly gunned down.

You K----s remind of all the denial that came out following the Moynihan report of the Black Family. Look at us now. 70% of household with children being raised by a single female and many cases a impoverished single female.
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Ken on December 16, 2014, 02:56:33 PM
BEING CONCERNED OVER THE SHOOTING OF UNARMED BLACK MEN DOES NOT PRECLUDE BEING CONCERNED OVER VIOLENCE IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY. YOU ARE SUGGESTING A DICHOTOMY WHEN NONE EXITS.  THIS IS SIMPLY DIVERSION.
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Wildman78 on December 16, 2014, 02:58:49 PM
BEING CONCERNED OVER THE SHOOTING OF UNARMED BLACK MEN DOES NOT PRECLUDE BEING CONCERNED OVER VIOLENCE IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY. YOU ARE SUGGESTING A DICHOTOMY WHEN NONE EXITS.  THIS IS SIMPLY DIVERSION.

I told him he was conflating the issues. He doesn't want to hear it. All he wants to do is low-rate Black people every chance he gets.  :no: :(
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: oldsport on December 16, 2014, 03:56:30 PM
BEING CONCERNED OVER THE SHOOTING OF UNARMED BLACK MEN DOES NOT PRECLUDE BEING CONCERNED OVER VIOLENCE IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY. YOU ARE SUGGESTING A DICHOTOMY WHEN NONE EXITS.  THIS IS SIMPLY DIVERSION.

I told him he was conflating the issues. He doesn't want to hear it. All he wants to do is low-rate Black people every chance he gets.  :no: :(

We as a people have low rated ourselves. The real culprit for the condition that you K----s generally blame on racism is not racism at all but aberrant and pathologically dysfunctional culture that all too often is celebrated instead of criticized for its destructiveness.

Why are so many young black men I see persistently unemployed. It's not racism or discrimination. It's the consequence of the lack of employable skills.
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: CU1994 on December 16, 2014, 04:32:55 PM
BEING CONCERNED OVER THE SHOOTING OF UNARMED BLACK MEN DOES NOT PRECLUDE BEING CONCERNED OVER VIOLENCE IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY. YOU ARE SUGGESTING A DICHOTOMY WHEN NONE EXITS.  THIS IS SIMPLY DIVERSION.

I told him he was conflating the issues. He doesn't want to hear it. All he wants to do is low-rate Black people every chance he gets.  :no: :(

We as a people have low rated ourselves. The real culprit for the condition that you K----s generally blame on racism is not racism at all but aberrant and pathologically dysfunctional culture that all too often is celebrated instead of criticized for its destructiveness.

Why are so many young black men I see persistently unemployed. It's not racism or discrimination. It's the consequence of the lack of employable skills.

But I thought affirmative action was giving black males jobs and taking them away from white dudes. :shrug:
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Wildman78 on December 16, 2014, 04:41:48 PM
BEING CONCERNED OVER THE SHOOTING OF UNARMED BLACK MEN DOES NOT PRECLUDE BEING CONCERNED OVER VIOLENCE IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY. YOU ARE SUGGESTING A DICHOTOMY WHEN NONE EXITS.  THIS IS SIMPLY DIVERSION.

I told him he was conflating the issues. He doesn't want to hear it. All he wants to do is low-rate Black people every chance he gets.  :no: :(

We as a people have low rated ourselves. The real culprit for the condition that you K----s generally blame on racism is not racism at all but aberrant and pathologically dysfunctional culture that all too often is celebrated instead of criticized for its destructiveness.

Why are so many young black men I see persistently unemployed. It's not racism or discrimination. It's the consequence of the lack of employable skills.

No. You like to low rate Black people. That is why you constantly resort to name calling. Why are you focused on the Blacks that are unemployed instead of the Blacks that are employed.
The Black uneumployment rate as been double that of whites ever since they started keeping the statistics. Are you saying that this is entirely due to this vague undefined pathologically dysfunctional culture. Are you really that out of touch?

Every month there are poor White people in Applachia trading food stamps for cases of coca-cola to resell. However, nobody considers that to be the culture of the entire White race. But you my brother routinely focus on the behavior of poor Blacks and then claim it to be the culture of the entire race.  

And with respect to this topic, let me be clear.  I'm saying racism, whether it be overt or institutional, has as much or more to do with the police not being held criminally liable for killing unarmed Black men than some so called  pathologically dysfunctional culture of Black people.
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Ken on December 16, 2014, 05:20:39 PM
Lack of employable skills????  Then why OS does black college grads reach unemployment rates in the high double digits , but white college grads unemployment rate does not approach double digits- EVEN DURING THE GREAT RECESSION???
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Bison66 on December 17, 2014, 11:07:29 AM
ARE WE GOING TO BELIEVE YOUR OPINION OR OUR LYING EYES???? :tiptoe:


Let's run the numbers....How many K----s were killed by cops in 2014 vs. K----s gunned down by other thug K----s? And under what circumstance did the K----s lose their life to cops vs. what K----s lost their life to other K----s?

I know this is obvious, but...

- Olds..t starts a thread about police.
- Posters respond about police.
- Olds..t starts talking about something else which he wants to compare.
- A poster tells him that he is doing that.
- Olds..t accuses others of "comparing apples to oranges."
 :lmao:                 :lmao:

That dude has NO LOGICAL THINKING CAPABILITIES AT ALL!

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Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Bison66 on December 17, 2014, 11:14:55 AM

I don't consider what happen to Garner or Brown murder.

But the Coroner determined it was murder in re: to Garner.

I thought you were in favor of law and order and against crime  :shrug:...............

Oh, that's right.  YOU don't give a ihst if a white person kills a Black person.  You gave the guy in the "loud music" case a pass when you said, "stuff happens in the street" when you were asked about his dysfunction, his criminality and his murder - AS CONFIRMED BY A COURT OF LAW.

Twin, come get your boy!

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Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Wildman78 on December 17, 2014, 11:23:12 AM

I don't consider what happen to Garner or Brown murder.

But the Coroner determined it was murder in re: to Garner.

I thought you were in favor of law and order and against crime  :shrug:...............

Oh, that's right.  YOU don't give a ihst if a white person kills a Black person.  You gave the guy in the "loud music" case a pass when you said, "stuff happens in the street" when you were asked about his dysfunction, his criminality and his murder - AS CONFIRMED BY A COURT OF LAW.

Twin, come get your boy!

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Coroner determined it was homicide.
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: ‘87 Alum on December 17, 2014, 12:49:26 PM
We all know who the anomoly really is......
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Bison66 on February 24, 2015, 10:38:49 PM
Federal Lawsuit Against Cop Who Broke Leg of 11-Year-Old Who Filmed Him

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Just over two years ago, a New York City Police officer kicked a now-11-year-old boy in the leg when he filmed him. The boy had recorded the officer who came to his house and sexually assaulted his mother. As a result of the officer kicking the child, his leg was broke, a federal lawsuit filed by his mother claims.
http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/02/federal-lawsuit-against-cop-who-broke-leg-of-11-year-old-who-filmed-him/

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Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Bison66 on April 20, 2015, 07:15:20 PM
Had the honor of meeting Mrs. Elliott, mother of murdered Archie Elliott on Sunday.  He was shot 14 times while handcuffed behind his back sitting in a police squad car.  Her decades long struggle for justice for her son is an inspiration. 

Her testimony begins at about 2:45. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSVqsDk6GYU

Sign the petition to reopen the case: http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/justice-for-archie-artie

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Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Bison66 on April 21, 2015, 11:42:57 AM
More and more "anomalies" emerging....
(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/2855802/images/n-LISA-MEARKLE-large570.jpg)

Cop Charged With Homicide After Video Allegedly Shows Her Shooting Suspect In Back

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The video from the camera attached to the officer's stun gun shows how David Kassick died, authorities say: two bullets, four seconds apart, fired into his back as he lay face down...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/20/cop-charged-homicide-shot-man-in-back-pennsylvania_n_7100452.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000021

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Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Bison66 on April 21, 2015, 01:16:06 PM
Ex-Drug Cop Says He & Fellow Cops Lied, Planted Drugs, & Stole Money “Too Many Times to Count”


(http://tftppull.freethoughtllc.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/jeffrey-walker-lied-stole-planted-drugs.jpg)

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Former Philly Cop, Jeffrey Walker, held little back Tuesday as he confessed to the jurors about his disgraceful past. He let them know about how he and his fellow officers set people up, planted drugs, stole money, lied on reports, and violently assaulted people — too many times to count.

According to the Associated Press,

Walker told jurors that the Philadelphia Police Department drug squad targeted white “college-boy … khaki-pants types” who were “easy to intimidate.”
That matches the description of some of the drug dealers who have testified at the six-week police corruption trial that the squad stole as much as $110,000 at a time during violent, no-warrant raids.
Lead defendant Thomas Liciardello always got a cut of the stolen money, while the others split “jobs” that they worked, Walker said. The city’s police brass often celebrated the squad’s work with splashy news conferences to announce large seizures...

...In 2013, this officer of 24 years was caught stealing $15,000 from an innocent man and planting drugs in his car. After this arrest, he was implicated in a slew of other criminal charges.

This one man singlehandedly ruined dozens and dozens of innocent people’s lives. More than 160 convictions have been overturned since Walker’s guilty plea, and dozens of civil rights suits have been filed as well.

Walker was not some random “bad apple” cop either; his entire squad was complicit in these heinous crimes.

Thomas Liciardello, Perry Betts, John Speiser, Michael Spicer, Linwood Norman – Walker’s longtime partner on the narcotics unit – and Brian Reynolds, are all on trial this week, likely seething with anger as their former partner in crime spills the beans.

In order to avoid life in prison for his disgraceful conduct, this criminal order follower has since turned into snitch extraordinaire.


Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/ex-drug-cop-fellow-cops-lied-planted-drugs-stole-money-too-times-count/#tIOZJo3ewCxLX8s7.99

Check out other "anomalies" in Philly ALONE!!

- Philly Police Officer Suing Philly Police Department for Brutality

- Swarm of Philly Cops Beat Down Public Defender and Client Just Outside the Courtroom

- Video Footage Surfaces that Refutes Philadelphia Police Version of Fatal Shooting
and several others....

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/?s=philly+police
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Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: oldsport on April 21, 2015, 02:31:04 PM
More and more "anomalies" emerging....
(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/2855802/images/n-LISA-MEARKLE-large570.jpg)

Cop Charged With Homicide After Video Allegedly Shows Her Shooting Suspect In Back

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The video from the camera attached to the officer's stun gun shows how David Kassick died, authorities say: two bullets, four seconds apart, fired into his back as he lay face down...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/20/cop-charged-homicide-shot-man-in-back-pennsylvania_n_7100452.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000021

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Certainly Garner and Brown along with other incidents represent an anomaly when put against the number of times law enforcement officials or policeman are in contact with Blacks. Moreover, the number of these law enforcement issues dwarf comparison as unfortunate as it is to the number the blacks murdering and maiming one another with firearms and other weapons.
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Ken on April 21, 2015, 06:03:22 PM
Damn these 'anomalies" are piling up.
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Wildman78 on April 21, 2015, 06:48:16 PM
Moreover, the number of these law enforcement issues dwarf comparison as unfortunate as it is to the number the blacks murdering and maiming one another with firearms and other weapons.


That continues to be a bogus point.

As I wrote on previous occasions:

Black people can protest injustices while simultaneously recognizing that we commit a disproportionate amount of crime. Again, it appears that you are suggesting we forego protesting injustices or unequal protection of the laws until we get our own house in order. That's like saying back in the 1920s,  Black people should have accepted lynchings because they had a disproportionate crime rate back then too.

....

The outrage was about the lack of justice not the actual crime that was committed.

My feelings on this matter are summed up in this analogy:

If a teacher hits my son but lectures a white student for committing the same rule infraction, when I meet with the principal, I don't want the principal trying to justify the teacher's actions by telling me that the Black kids break the school rules at a disproportionate rate.
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: soflorattler on April 21, 2015, 08:18:35 PM
^^^Confused old d man.... :no:
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: oldsport on April 22, 2015, 08:40:40 AM
Damn these 'anomalies" are piling up.

These 'anomalies' have a long way to go to catch up to the K----s who are committing daily criminal acts such rape, burglary, robbery and murder out here not to mention the wholesale slaughter of each other. I believe American municipalities will gain a better pulse and structure of its police departments before you K----s see a end to the senseless violence perpetrated by thousands of thug K----s who terrorize black women and children on a daily basis in US cities.

Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: CU1994 on April 22, 2015, 08:47:09 AM
More and more "anomalies" emerging....
(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/2855802/images/n-LISA-MEARKLE-large570.jpg)

Cop Charged With Homicide After Video Allegedly Shows Her Shooting Suspect In Back

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The video from the camera attached to the officer's stun gun shows how David Kassick died, authorities say: two bullets, four seconds apart, fired into his back as he lay face down...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/20/cop-charged-homicide-shot-man-in-back-pennsylvania_n_7100452.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000021

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These is 10 minutes from where I live. She shot dude in the back while he was on the ground. She had a terrible reputation before this happened.
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Nomenclature on April 22, 2015, 08:49:02 AM
Damn these 'anomalies" are piling up.

These 'anomalies' have a long way to go to catch up to the K----s who are committing daily criminal acts such rape, burglary, robbery and murder out here not to mention the wholesale slaughter of each other. I believe American municipalities will gain a better pulse and structure of its police departments before you K----s see a end to the senseless violence perpetrated by thousands of thug K----s who terrorize black women and children on a daily basis in US cities.



Whites are responsible for the vast majority of violent crimes, according to the FBI. With respect to aggravated assault, whites led Blacks 2-1 in arrests; in forcible-rape cases, whites led all racial and ethnic groups by more than 2-1. And in larceny theft, whites led Blacks, again, more than 2-1.

Amazingly, according to the FBI stats, women committed 36 percent of the murders committed by white people against white people. This number is far higher than you see with Black women.

According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, for the period of 1980 to 2008, a majority (53.3 percent) of gang homicides were committed by white offenders, and the majority of gang homicide victims (56.5 percent) were white.

Back in 2011, the most recent year for which data is available, a staggering 83 percent of white murder victims were killed by fellow Caucasians.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CCwQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fatlantablackstar.com%2F2015%2F03%2F03%2F9-facts-white-white-crime-far-exceeds-black-black-crime-media-conceals%2F&ei=c5g3VZGUAcqpNu2wgaAE&usg=AFQjCNHDPhPj0PWvMRn_rOFzkGY1GgbwPg&bvm=bv.91071109,d.eXY
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: oldsport on April 22, 2015, 08:53:09 AM
Damn these 'anomalies" are piling up.

These 'anomalies' have a long way to go to catch up to the K----s who are committing daily criminal acts such rape, burglary, robbery and murder out here not to mention the wholesale slaughter of each other. I believe American municipalities will gain a better pulse and structure of its police departments before you K----s see a end to the senseless violence perpetrated by thousands of thug K----s who terrorize black women and children on a daily basis in US cities.



Whites are responsible for the vast majority of violent crimes, according to the FBI. With respect to aggravated assault, whites led Blacks 2-1 in arrests; in forcible-rape cases, whites led all racial and ethnic groups by more than 2-1. And in larceny theft, whites led Blacks, again, more than 2-1.

Amazingly, according to the FBI stats, women committed 36 percent of the murders committed by white people against white people. This number is far higher than you see with Black women.

According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, for the period of 1980 to 2008, a majority (53.3 percent) of gang homicides were committed by white offenders, and the majority of gang homicide victims (56.5 percent) were white.

Back in 2011, the most recent year for which data is available, a staggering 83 percent of white murder victims were killed by fellow Caucasians.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CCwQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fatlantablackstar.com%2F2015%2F03%2F03%2F9-facts-white-white-crime-far-exceeds-black-black-crime-media-conceals%2F&ei=c5g3VZGUAcqpNu2wgaAE&usg=AFQjCNHDPhPj0PWvMRn_rOFzkGY1GgbwPg&bvm=bv.91071109,d.eXY

We're not talking about whites. However, based on the percentage of population this is not surprising. What is surprising is the rate of crime among blacks as opposed to their percentage of the population. You're one of those K----s who want to make excuses for a deplorable condition that exist in and among Blacks as it relates to crime.
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Nomenclature on April 22, 2015, 08:56:23 AM
Damn these 'anomalies" are piling up.

These 'anomalies' have a long way to go to catch up to the K----s who are committing daily criminal acts such rape, burglary, robbery and murder out here not to mention the wholesale slaughter of each other. I believe American municipalities will gain a better pulse and structure of its police departments before you K----s see a end to the senseless violence perpetrated by thousands of thug K----s who terrorize black women and children on a daily basis in US cities.



Whites are responsible for the vast majority of violent crimes, according to the FBI. With respect to aggravated assault, whites led Blacks 2-1 in arrests; in forcible-rape cases, whites led all racial and ethnic groups by more than 2-1. And in larceny theft, whites led Blacks, again, more than 2-1.

Amazingly, according to the FBI stats, women committed 36 percent of the murders committed by white people against white people. This number is far higher than you see with Black women.

According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, for the period of 1980 to 2008, a majority (53.3 percent) of gang homicides were committed by white offenders, and the majority of gang homicide victims (56.5 percent) were white.

Back in 2011, the most recent year for which data is available, a staggering 83 percent of white murder victims were killed by fellow Caucasians.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CCwQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fatlantablackstar.com%2F2015%2F03%2F03%2F9-facts-white-white-crime-far-exceeds-black-black-crime-media-conceals%2F&ei=c5g3VZGUAcqpNu2wgaAE&usg=AFQjCNHDPhPj0PWvMRn_rOFzkGY1GgbwPg&bvm=bv.91071109,d.eXY

We're not talking about whites. However, based on the percentage of population this is not surprising. What is surprising is the rate of crime among blacks as opposed to their percentage of the population. You're one of those K----s who want to make excuses for a deplorable condition that exist in and among Blacks as it relates to crime.

You never wanna talk about the wrongs of white people.
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Ken on April 22, 2015, 09:10:23 AM
chit as long as white folks rub his head for good luck , let him shine their shoes and kiss their ass- according to oldsport they can do no wrong. 
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: soflorattler on April 22, 2015, 09:54:56 AM
 :lol:  :lol: :lol: Devin going all in on OS!
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: oldsport on April 22, 2015, 10:40:23 AM
Damn these 'anomalies" are piling up.

These 'anomalies' have a long way to go to catch up to the K----s who are committing daily criminal acts such rape, burglary, robbery and murder out here not to mention the wholesale slaughter of each other. I believe American municipalities will gain a better pulse and structure of its police departments before you K----s see a end to the senseless violence perpetrated by thousands of thug K----s who terrorize black women and children on a daily basis in US cities.



Whites are responsible for the vast majority of violent crimes, according to the FBI. With respect to aggravated assault, whites led Blacks 2-1 in arrests; in forcible-rape cases, whites led all racial and ethnic groups by more than 2-1. And in larceny theft, whites led Blacks, again, more than 2-1.

Amazingly, according to the FBI stats, women committed 36 percent of the murders committed by white people against white people. This number is far higher than you see with Black women.

According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, for the period of 1980 to 2008, a majority (53.3 percent) of gang homicides were committed by white offenders, and the majority of gang homicide victims (56.5 percent) were white.

Back in 2011, the most recent year for which data is available, a staggering 83 percent of white murder victims were killed by fellow Caucasians.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CCwQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fatlantablackstar.com%2F2015%2F03%2F03%2F9-facts-white-white-crime-far-exceeds-black-black-crime-media-conceals%2F&ei=c5g3VZGUAcqpNu2wgaAE&usg=AFQjCNHDPhPj0PWvMRn_rOFzkGY1GgbwPg&bvm=bv.91071109,d.eXY

We're not talking about whites. However, based on the percentage of population this is not surprising. What is surprising is the rate of crime among blacks as opposed to their percentage of the population. You're one of those K----s who want to make excuses for a deplorable condition that exist in and among Blacks as it relates to crime.

You never wanna talk about the wrongs of white people.

No, I don't want to talk about the wrongs of white people. This is their problem. We need to be focused on our (Black) problems and challenges. You K----s want to make yourselves feel a little better because white folk have problems. Well I would feel a whole lot better knowing that we have constructive solutions for the problems that plague black folk. You K----s are really retarded and so retarded you don't know it.
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Wildman78 on April 22, 2015, 12:42:53 PM
In my opinion, you are being disingenuous when you say you are not concerned about the behavior of White folks and only interested  have constructive solutions for the problems that plague black folk.

First of all it is a red herrring to bring up Black on Black crime when discussing police officers killing Black people under questionable circumstances and not being prosecuted.

Again:

Black people can protest injustices while simultaneously recognizing that we commit a disproportionate amount of crime. Again, it appears that you are suggesting we forego protesting injustices or unequal protection of the laws until we get our own house in order. That's like saying back in the 1920s,  Black people should have accepted lynchings because they had a disproportionate crime rate back then too.

....

If a teacher hits my son but lectures a white student for committing the same rule infraction, when I meet with the principal, I don't want the principal trying to justify the teacher's actions by telling me that the Black kids break the school rules at a disproportionate rate.


Moreover, you ignore relevant data that shows violent crimes by Blacks have decreased over the last couple of decades. From an article published in 2013:


In the last 20 years in particular, the FBI reports, rates of crime among African American youth have plummeted: All offenses (down 47%), drug offenses (down 50%), property offenses (down 51%), serious Part I offenses (down 53%), assault (down 59%), robbery (down 60%), all violent offenses (down 60%), rape (down 66%), and murder (down 82%).

http://www.cjcj.org/news/6523


Finally, in the fifteen or so years that you've been discussing this issue,  the only tangible constructive solution you have ever suggested for solving the problems that so-call plague black folk is offerering vouchers Black students who public attend school students.

Face it Oldsport, for some perverted reason, you loved to low-rate Black people by portraying Blacke people in the worst light possible.


Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: oldsport on April 22, 2015, 12:56:37 PM
In my opinion, you are being disingenuous when you say you are not concerned about the behavior of White folks on interested  have constructive solutions for the problems that plague black folk.

First of all it is a red herrring to bring up Black on Black crime when discussing police officers killing Black people under questionable circumstances and not being prosecuted.

Again:

Black people can protest injustices while simultaneously recognizing that we commit a disproportionate amount of crime. Again, it appears that you are suggesting we forego protesting injustices or unequal protection of the laws until we get our own house in order. That's like saying back in the 1920s,  Black people should have accepted lynchings because they had a disproportionate crime rate back then too.

....

If a teacher hits my son but lectures a white student for committing the same rule infraction, when I meet with the principal, I don't want the principal trying to justify the teacher's actions by telling me that the Black kids break the school rules at a disproportionate rate.


Moreover, you ignore relevant data tha shows violent crimes by Blacks have decrease over the last couple of decades. From an article published in 2013:


In the last 20 years in particular, the FBI reports, rates of crime among African American youth have plummeted: All offenses (down 47%), drug offenses (down 50%), property offenses (down 51%), serious Part I offenses (down 53%), assault (down 59%), robbery (down 60%), all violent offenses (down 60%), rape (down 66%), and murder (down 82%).

http://www.cjcj.org/news/6523


Finally, in the fifteen or so years that you've been discussing this issuee,  the only tangible constructive solution you have ever suggested for solving the problems that so-call plague black folk is offerering vouchers Black students who public attend school students.

Face it Oldsport, for some perverted reason, you loved to low-rate Black people by portraying Blacke people in the worst light possible.


SMH...hopeless.
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Wildman78 on April 22, 2015, 12:59:20 PM
In my opinion, you are being disingenuous when you say you are not concerned about the behavior of White folks on interested  have constructive solutions for the problems that plague black folk.

First of all it is a red herrring to bring up Black on Black crime when discussing police officers killing Black people under questionable circumstances and not being prosecuted.

Again:

Black people can protest injustices while simultaneously recognizing that we commit a disproportionate amount of crime. Again, it appears that you are suggesting we forego protesting injustices or unequal protection of the laws until we get our own house in order. That's like saying back in the 1920s,  Black people should have accepted lynchings because they had a disproportionate crime rate back then too.

....

If a teacher hits my son but lectures a white student for committing the same rule infraction, when I meet with the principal, I don't want the principal trying to justify the teacher's actions by telling me that the Black kids break the school rules at a disproportionate rate.


Moreover, you ignore relevant data tha shows violent crimes by Blacks have decrease over the last couple of decades. From an article published in 2013:


In the last 20 years in particular, the FBI reports, rates of crime among African American youth have plummeted: All offenses (down 47%), drug offenses (down 50%), property offenses (down 51%), serious Part I offenses (down 53%), assault (down 59%), robbery (down 60%), all violent offenses (down 60%), rape (down 66%), and murder (down 82%).

http://www.cjcj.org/news/6523


Finally, in the fifteen or so years that you've been discussing this issuee,  the only tangible constructive solution you have ever suggested for solving the problems that so-call plague black folk is offerering vouchers Black students who public attend school students.

Face it Oldsport, for some perverted reason, you loved to low-rate Black people by portraying Blacke people in the worst light possible.


SMH...hopeless.

Okay. Whatever, I'm  :no: right back at you. Everybody sees you have no substantive response to points I've raised.
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: oldsport on April 22, 2015, 01:24:19 PM
In my opinion, you are being disingenuous when you say you are not concerned about the behavior of White folks on interested  have constructive solutions for the problems that plague black folk.

First of all it is a red herrring to bring up Black on Black crime when discussing police officers killing Black people under questionable circumstances and not being prosecuted.

Again:

Black people can protest injustices while simultaneously recognizing that we commit a disproportionate amount of crime. Again, it appears that you are suggesting we forego protesting injustices or unequal protection of the laws until we get our own house in order. That's like saying back in the 1920s,  Black people should have accepted lynchings because they had a disproportionate crime rate back then too.

....

If a teacher hits my son but lectures a white student for committing the same rule infraction, when I meet with the principal, I don't want the principal trying to justify the teacher's actions by telling me that the Black kids break the school rules at a disproportionate rate.


Moreover, you ignore relevant data tha shows violent crimes by Blacks have decrease over the last couple of decades. From an article published in 2013:


In the last 20 years in particular, the FBI reports, rates of crime among African American youth have plummeted: All offenses (down 47%), drug offenses (down 50%), property offenses (down 51%), serious Part I offenses (down 53%), assault (down 59%), robbery (down 60%), all violent offenses (down 60%), rape (down 66%), and murder (down 82%).

http://www.cjcj.org/news/6523


Finally, in the fifteen or so years that you've been discussing this issuee,  the only tangible constructive solution you have ever suggested for solving the problems that so-call plague black folk is offerering vouchers Black students who public attend school students.

Face it Oldsport, for some perverted reason, you loved to low-rate Black people by portraying Blacke people in the worst light possible.


SMH...hopeless.

Okay. Whatever, I'm  :no: right back at you. Everybody sees you have no substantive response to points I've raised.

While the stats you posted show a decline in some aspects of black crime, the rate as relates to the percentage of black population is still high. More importantly, we continue to lose too many of black youth to violent crime. Example, in Baltimore while the demonstrations of circumstances surrounding the death of Freddie Gray following his arrest, a young Black man was gunned  down (probably by another black man) just blocks from the protest and demonstration. In another incident a Black woman's death was ruled a homicide.


http://www.wbaltv.com/news/baltimore-police-probe-fatal-westside-shooting/32496418

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-county/dundalk/bs-md-co-womans-body-found-20150421-story.html

GET REAL K----. STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR DEVIANT AND MORALLY BANKRUPT BEHAVIOR NOT MATTER HOW SMALL OR ITS DECLINE.
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Wildman78 on April 22, 2015, 04:10:01 PM
While the stats you posted show a decline in some aspects of black crime, the rate as relates to the percentage of black population is still high. More importantly, we continue to lose too many of black youth to violent crime. Example, in Baltimore while the demonstrations of circumstances surrounding the death of Freddie Gray following his arrest, a young Black man was gunned  down (probably by another black man) just blocks from the protest and demonstration. In another incident a Black woman's death was ruled a homicide.


http://www.wbaltv.com/news/baltimore-police-probe-fatal-westside-shooting/32496418

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-county/dundalk/bs-md-co-womans-body-found-20150421-story.html

GET REAL K----. STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR DEVIANT AND MORALLY BANKRUPT BEHAVIOR NOT MATTER HOW SMALL OR ITS DECLINE.


First of all, there is no need for the name callng and cyber yelling.  


I repeat:

Black people can protest injustices while simultaneously recognizing that we commit a disproportionate amount of crime. Again, it appears that you are suggesting we forego protesting injustices or unequal protection of the laws until we get our own house in order. That's like saying back in the 1920s,  Black people should have accepted lynchings because they had a disproportionate crime rate back then too.

....

If a teacher hits my son but lectures a white student for committing the same rule infraction, when I meet with the principal, I don't want the principal trying to justify the teacher's actions by telling me that the Black kids break the school rules at a disproportionate rate.


Are you suggesting Black people should not be upset about circumstances surrounding the death of Freddie Gray following his arrest because there is Black on Black crime in Baltimore.

Are you seriously suggesting that Black people should be quiet when it appears that law enforcement are more likley to use excessive force against Black  people than they are White people, and not be prosecuted for it.

I or no one else is making excuses for Black on Black crime.

What I and others are saying is that Black on Black crime is no reason not to demand that Police Officers, who are paid with tax dollars, perform their duties in a professional and race nuetral manner.

When people say that poverty and poor schools contribute to the disproportionate crime rate, its not an excuse, it is just part of the complex explanation.

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While the stats you posted show a decline in some aspects of black crime, the rate as relates to the percentage of black population is still high. More importantly, we continue to lose too many of black youth to violent crime.

I don't think anyone disagrees with you that are too many youths dying from violent crime. But you provide no statistics -- to define "too many" or or "high." While I, on the other hand, have provided you with statistics showing a significant decline over the last couple of decades

And again, other than vouchers, you have never offered any tangble solution to the problems facing Black America.

With that said, the main point is -- The existence of Black on Black crime, no matter how serious you deemed the problem, is not a reason to put modern day lynchings by Police Officers on the back burner.








Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: oldsport on April 22, 2015, 04:24:30 PM
While the stats you posted show a decline in some aspects of black crime, the rate as relates to the percentage of black population is still high. More importantly, we continue to lose too many of black youth to violent crime. Example, in Baltimore while the demonstrations of circumstances surrounding the death of Freddie Gray following his arrest, a young Black man was gunned  down (probably by another black man) just blocks from the protest and demonstration. In another incident a Black woman's death was ruled a homicide.


http://www.wbaltv.com/news/baltimore-police-probe-fatal-westside-shooting/32496418

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-county/dundalk/bs-md-co-womans-body-found-20150421-story.html

GET REAL K----. STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR DEVIANT AND MORALLY BANKRUPT BEHAVIOR NOT MATTER HOW SMALL OR ITS DECLINE.


First of all, there is no need for the name callng and cyber yelling.  


I repeat:

Black people can protest injustices while simultaneously recognizing that we commit a disproportionate amount of crime. Again, it appears that you are suggesting we forego protesting injustices or unequal protection of the laws until we get our own house in order. That's like saying back in the 1920s,  Black people should have accepted lynchings because they had a disproportionate crime rate back then too.

....

If a teacher hits my son but lectures a white student for committing the same rule infraction, when I meet with the principal, I don't want the principal trying to justify the teacher's actions by telling me that the Black kids break the school rules at a disproportionate rate.


Are you suggesting Black people should not be upset about circumstances surrounding the death of Freddie Gray following his arrest because there is Black on Black crime in Baltimore.

Are you seriously suggesting that Black people should be quiet when it appears that law enforcement are more likley to use excessive force against Black  people than they are White people, and not be prosecuted for it.

I or no one else is making excuses for Black on Black crime.

What I and others are saying is that Black on Black crime is no reason not to demand that Police Officers, who are paid with tax dollars, perform their duties in a professional and race nuetral manner.

When people say that factors say that poverty and poor schools contribute to the disproportionate crime rate, its not an excuse, it is just part of the complex explanation.

Quote
While the stats you posted show a decline in some aspects of black crime, the rate as relates to the percentage of black population is still high. More importantly, we continue to lose too many of black youth to violent crime.

I don't think anyone disagrees with you that are too many youths dying from violent crime. But you provide no statistics -- to define "too many" or or "high." While I, on the other hand, have provided you with stats showing a significant decline over the last couple of decades

And again, other than vouchers, you have never offered any tangble solution to the problems facing Black America.

With that said, the main point is -- The existence of Black on Black crime, no matter how serious you deemed the problem, is not a reason to put modern day lynchings by Police Officers on the back burner.



I don't think what's being witnessed in the cases of police and confrontation with criminal elements on the streets who happen to be black is tantamount to modern day lynching.

Watch and listen to this. Remember what I told you about preparation to succeed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7butJGdUmK0
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Wildman78 on April 23, 2015, 05:56:06 AM

I don't think what's being witnessed in the cases of police and confrontation with criminal elements on the streets who happen to be black is tantamount to modern day lynching.

Watch and listen to this. Remember what I told you about preparation to succeed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7butJGdUmK0

Well you may quibble about whether "modern day lynching" is too inflammatory. I could also take issue with your characterization of all these excessive forces cases as "police confronting criminal elements who happen to be back."  However, terminology is not the issue here.

The issue whether Black people should vehemently protest police using deadly force against Black people under questionable circumstances when Black people are disproportionately committing crimes.  

I say hell yeah Black people should be raising hell when police unjustifiably use excessive or deadly force against unarmed Black people, and the fact that Black people commit crimes at a disproportionate rate is a separate issue.

You seemed to be saying because Blacks commit a disproportionate number of homicides, and most homicides are intra-racial, Blacks should be silent when a policeman shoots a Black person eight times in the back or snaps someone's spinal cord simply because the Black person ran away.

I went to the link you posted and watched the Walter Williams interview.  What is your point? How does his libertarian views relate to the use of excessive force by police on Black or Black crime?  
 

Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Bison66 on April 23, 2015, 03:39:52 PM
Anomalies.....

Slavery enshrined in the Constitution
Genocide against Native Americans
Mistreatment of enslaved Africans
Lynchings
Jim Crow
Segregation
etc.

O0

Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Bison66 on April 23, 2015, 05:30:20 PM
More "anomalies"...

VIDEO re: Wrongfully convicted Black Men DECLARED INNOCENT

https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/10152878445936939/?fref=nf

STORY

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There were shouts of “Thank you, Jesus!” when the judge ruled that the three men’s convictions should not stand.

As they stood to leave the court, one, Derrick Wheatt, thumped his chest, tears streaming down his cheeks. Mothers, sisters, nephews, and brothers stood tearfully almost unable to believe that twenty years after their convictions, the East Cleveland Three would be released...
http://blogs.channel4.com/kylie-morris-blog/man-proved-innocent-39-years-prison/1107
O0
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Bison66 on April 23, 2015, 05:33:36 PM
"Anomalies" in Detroit...

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Two Detroit police officers used their authority as law enforcement to arrange drug deals, orchestrate traffic stops, effect false arrests and coerce and extort victims, all in order to steal money and drugs that were then sold for profit, according to a Wednesday federal indictment that was unsealed Thursday.

Lt. David Hansberry, 34, and Officer Bryan Watson, 46, entered “not guilty” pleas in court Thursday afternoon, according to the Detroit Free Press. They were indicted on eight counts of robbery, extortion, possession of drugs with intent to sell, as well as possession of a gun in a crime of violence and drug trafficking.

Both men were suspended from the force in October 2014.

Hansberry and Watson were part of the Detroit Police Department’s Narcotics Section, which Chief James Craig disbanded last summer after an Internal Affairs investigation uncovered systemic problems with the handling of drugs and evidence.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/09/detroit-police-officers-indicted-stealing-drugs_n_7035088.html
O0
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Bison66 on April 23, 2015, 05:37:45 PM
More "anomalies" in Philadelphia...

PHILADELPHIA POLICE OFFICERS ARRESTED IN 3 SEPARATE INCIDENTS

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Three Philadelphia police officers have been arrested for their roles in three separate cases for charges that include animal cruelty, perjury and theft, Philadelphia District Attorney Seth Williams announced Thursday.
http://6abc.com/news/philadelphia-police-officers-arrested-in-3-cases/678575/
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Post by: Bison66 on April 23, 2015, 05:43:57 PM
Conviction by Any Means Necessary: How Prosecutors Stole 19 Years of My Life

PROSECUTORIAL MISCONDUCT.....IS IT RAMPANT?
Seems so...

After the US Supreme Court REINSTATED HIS CONVICTION!!!!!
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....From the new evidence we'd uncovered, we learned that the lead detective, Kevin Duffin, was a god-brother of the motive witness, but no one knew this at trial. We now knew this through signed affidavits from his brother and the witness's brother. Numerous witnesses signed statements concerning how they were threatened by Detective Duffin not to come forth and help me.

In 2013, my attorneys met with representatives of Attorney General Kathleen Kane's office to show our findings. We were promised a good faith investigation by Kane.

In exchange for multiple continuances to prolong the investigation, Senior Deputy Attorney General Stoycos traded my attorney missing pages from the police reports that we'd never received in the original case discovery. Those eight missing pages, withheld for nineteen years, shocked me. I found out that Brown, the chief witness, had initially been labeled a suspect herself in this murder. What's more, we learned that there were positive results for fingerprints found on the part of shotgun they recovered--but not mine. I had been told there were no fingerprints, prior to trial. These missing pages also stated that there were no witnesses to this killing. None of these points were brought before the jury...

THIS MAN IS STILL IN JAIL!!!

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Lorenzo Johnson served 16 and a half years of a life-without-parole sentence, from 1995 to 2012, when the Third Circuit Federal Court of Appeals ruled there was legally insufficient evidence for his conviction. He remained free for 4 months, after which the US Supreme Court unanimously reinstated the conviction and ordered Lorenzo back to prison to resume the sentence. With the help of Michael Wiseman, Esq., The Jeffrey Deskovic Foundation for Justice, The Campaign to Free Lorenzo Johnson, and others, he is continuing to fight for his freedom. Sign his petition and learn more at: http://www.freelorenzojohnson.org/sign-the-petition.html.
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Post by: Bison66 on April 25, 2015, 07:03:05 PM
Explosive Footage from Inside Rikers Jail Shows Guard Beating Teen Accused of Backpack Theft

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Explosive video obtained by The New Yorker depicts extreme violence inside New York City’s Rikers Island jail complex. Surveillance camera footage shows former teenage prisoner, Kalief Browder, being abused on two separate occasions. In one clip from 2012, the teenager is seen inside Rikers’ Central Punitive Segregation Unit, better known as the Bing. As a guard escorts Browder to the showers, Browder appears to speak, and then the guard suddenly violently hurls him to the floor although he’s already handcuffed
http://www.democracynow.org/2015/4/24/watch_explosive_footage_from_inside_rikers

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Post by: Bison66 on April 27, 2015, 12:41:34 PM
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Post by: oldsport on April 27, 2015, 01:57:29 PM
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Lie. There's not a black killed every month by a policeman. I can post a black on black murder daily if not two or three from just a few US large cities. K---- you know it's the truth. You know you K----s don't have a dyam solution along with your white socialist/communist friends on what to do about it.

What blows my mind I thought Barry was suppose to heal the world and make everybody love America. Moreover, I thought you K----s would stop being so GD angry. Looks like you black asses are angrier.
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Post by: Ken on April 27, 2015, 02:07:07 PM
2 BLACK MEN PER WEEK ARE KILLED BY THE COPS ACCORDING TO THE NORTH DALLAS GAZETTE.
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Post by: Wildman78 on April 27, 2015, 02:50:14 PM
Lie. There's not a black killed every month by a policeman. I can post a black on black murder daily if not two or three from just a few US large cities. K---- you know it's the truth. You know you K----s don't have a dyam solution along with your white socialist/communist friends on what to do about it.

What blows my mind I thought Barry was suppose to heal the world and make everybody love America. Moreover, I thought you K----s would stop being so GD angry. Looks like you black asses are angrier.

What is the point of that unfocused illogical rant?  :shrug:  People of all races commit crimes everyday.

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http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/crime-clock

In October 2013, the incarceration rate of the United States of America was the highest in the world, at 716 per 100,000 of the national population. While the United States represents about 4.4 percent of the world's population, it houses around 22 percent of the world's prisoners

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_incarceration_rate

Apparently no political party or political ideology has a solution to America's crime problem.

You say it blows your mind because you thought President Obama was suppose to heal the world and make everybody love America.  Well that is just a silly comment on multiple levels. Who said that? Name one democrat/liberal that posts on this site that said that. You are making a ridiculous strawman argument. No reasonably intelligent person thought that Obama was going to heal all racial striife. Moreover, Obama can't stop White police officers from shooting unarmed Black people. Obama can't make states prosecute Whtie police officers that shoot unarmed Black people. The only thing he can do is encourage the DOJ to investigate, and the Department of Justice has been pretty consistent in investigating these shootings.

Oldsport, you really should try and do better.  :no:  :(
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Post by: oldsport on April 27, 2015, 02:56:00 PM
Lie. There's not a black killed every month by a policeman. I can post a black on black murder daily if not two or three from just a few US large cities. K---- you know it's the truth. You know you K----s don't have a dyam solution along with your white socialist/communist friends on what to do about it.

What blows my mind I thought Barry was suppose to heal the world and make everybody love America. Moreover, I thought you K----s would stop being so GD angry. Looks like you black asses are angrier.

What is the point of that unfocused illogical rant?  :shrug:  People of all races commit crimes everyday.

(http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/10crimeclock.gif/image_large)


http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/crime-clock

In October 2013, the incarceration rate of the United States of America was the highest in the world, at 716 per 100,000 of the national population. While the United States represents about 4.4 percent of the world's population, it houses around 22 percent of the world's prisoners

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_incarceration_rate

Apparently no political party or political ideology has a solution to America's crime problem.

You say it blows your mind because you thought President Obama was suppose to heal the world and make everybody love America.  Well that is just a silly comment on multiple levels. Who said that? Name one democrat/liberal that posts on this site that said that. You are making a ridiculous strawman argument. No reasonably intelligent person thought that Obama was going to heal all racial striife. Moreover, Obama can't stop White police officers from shooting unarmed Black people. Obama can't make states prosecute Whtie police officers that shoot unarmed Black people. The only thing he can do is encourage the DOJ to investigate, and the Department of Justice has been pretty consistent in investigating these shootings.

Oldsport, you really should try and do better.  :no:  :(


We're not talking all people. We're talking specifically young black men. Something you K----s want to turn a blind eye to until a cop blows one of them away.
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Post by: ‘87 Alum on April 27, 2015, 03:02:18 PM
So Capt. Obvious, riddle me this....kindly explain how a person under suspicion of two murders approaches a cop with hands inside his hoodie pockets, causes the cop to stumble backwards and nary a shot is fired, nary a gun is unholstered.  Yet, another person can be going in the opposite direction of a cop with hands in plain, clear sight and is shot 7 times in the back, then whilst on the ground in pain, another shot is fired from a closer distance than the previous 7.  And top it all off, you cuff the man you've shot 8 times.
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Post by: oldsport on April 27, 2015, 03:11:02 PM
So Capt. Obvious, riddle me this....kindly explain how a person under suspicion of two murders approaches a cop with hands inside his hoodie pockets, causes the cop to stumble backwards and nary a shot is fired, nary a gun is unholstered.  Yet, another person can be going in the opposite direction of a cop with hands in plain, clear sight and is shot 7 times in the back, then whilst on the ground in pain, another shot is fired from a closer distance than the previous 7.  And top it all off, you cuff the man you've shot 8 times.

K----, if a cop committed a crime or violated someone civil rights, he will be punished. Don't give me the Michaeil Brown BS. This is already been heard. I am not here to defend delinquent cops. However, you K----s don't want to address the real 500lb gorilla in the room.
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Post by: ‘87 Alum on April 27, 2015, 03:24:30 PM
So Capt. Obvious, riddle me this....kindly explain how a person under suspicion of two murders approaches a cop with hands inside his hoodie pockets, causes the cop to stumble backwards and nary a shot is fired, nary a gun is unholstered.  Yet, another person can be going in the opposite direction of a cop with hands in plain, clear sight and is shot 7 times in the back, then whilst on the ground in pain, another shot is fired from a closer distance than the previous 7.  And top it all off, you cuff the man you've shot 8 times.

K----, if a cop committed a crime or violated someone civil rights, he will be punished. Don't give me the Michaeil Brown BS. This is already been heard. I am not here to defend delinquent cops. However, you K----s don't want to address the real 500lb gorilla in the room.

Grow the hell up.  No one is ignoring anything but you certainly are deflecting when it comes to the blatant and obvious treatment, care and concern when it involves disparities and differentials.  You know damn well that these rogue cops are getting away with murder - literally and figuratively, yet you fail to acknowledge and admit it.  Hiding behind the "if a cop committed a crime" BS.  As long as they sit there and say they felt threatened, then they can kill at will.  But when they have a double murderer coming and charging at them, they don't feel threatened at all?  Dude, get serious.....How in the heck are you threatened when a man is running away from you yet not threatened one iota when a double murderer is bum rushing you and you fall on your fat keister.....
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Post by: Wildman78 on April 27, 2015, 03:38:17 PM
We're not talking all people. We're talking specifically young black men. Something you K----s want to turn a blind eye to until a cop blows one of them away.

Nonsense. Why is crime commited by Black men so different than crimes committed by members of other races. Why should their be some special solution for crimes committed by Black people. Why are you only blaming democrats/liberals for not having some solution for Black on black crime.  

Apparently America has no solution for leading the world in inacarcerating its citizens but somehow Black on Black crime is a special problem that needs special solutions. That doesn't pass the straight face test.

And everyone already knows that part of the solution for lowering crime rates  is better educational opportunities  and better economic opportunities. Are you intentionally trying to be obtuse.  :shrug:

Again, this whole talk about Black on Black crime is a red herring.  The fact that Blacks commit crimes at a disproportionate rate is no reason for a police officer to shoot a Black person in the back eight times in the back eight times or sever a Black person's spinal cord simply for running away.

Are you really suggesting that Black people should refrain from protesting events like Freddy Gray until the Black crime rate is proportionate to the White crime rate. Are you?

Oldsport, the bottom line is that you would rather focus on the foibles of Black people than to acknowledge that too many White police officers use excessive force against Blacks without facing consequences.  It is deflection, plain and simple.
  
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Post by: oldsport on April 27, 2015, 04:34:35 PM
We're not talking all people. We're talking specifically young black men. Something you K----s want to turn a blind eye to until a cop blows one of them away.

Nonsense. Why is crime commited by Black men so different than crimes committed by members of other races. Why should their be some special solution for crimes committed by Black people. Why are you only blaming democrats/liberals for not having some solution for Black on black crime.  

Apparently America has no solution for leading the world in inacarcerating its citizens but somehow Black on Black criime is a special problem that needs special solutions. That doesn't pass the straight face test.

And everyone already knows that part of the solution for lowering crime rates  is better educational opportunities  and better economic opportunities. Are you intentionally trying to be obtuse.  :shrug:

Again, this whole talk about Black on Black crime is a red herring.  The fact that Blacks commit crimes at a disproportionate rate is no reason for a police officer to shoot a Black person in the back eight times in the back eight times or sever a Black person's spinal cord simply for running away.

Are you really suggesting that Black people should refrain from protesting events like Freddy Gray until the Black crime rate is proportionate to the White crime rate. Are you?

Oldsport, the bottom line is that you would rather focus on the foibles of Black people than to acknowledge that too many White police officers use excessive force against Blacks without facing consequences.  It is deflection, plain and simple.
  

1. You know why crime committed by our (Black) especially murder by our people is so intolerable.
Think about K----. Do you want to tolerate it?

Who's running these locals where all this s**t is happening. You don't want to acknowledge it. Baltimore has a black police chief and a black (female) mayor. This is the second black mayor in a row. St. Louis is a Dem-O-Crap run town. Chicago is a Dem-O-Crap run town....You get the drift K----. The prosecutors are Dem-O-Craps. STFU.
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Post by: Wildman78 on April 27, 2015, 05:45:42 PM

1. You know why crime committed by our (Black) especially murder by our people is so intolerable.
Think about K----. Do you want to tolerate it?

Who's running these locals where all this s**t is happening. You don't want to acknowledge it. Baltimore has a black police chief and a black (female) mayor. This is the second black mayor in a row. St. Louis is a Dem-O-Crap run town. Chicago is a Dem-O-Crap run town....You get the drift K----. The prosecutors are Dem-O-Craps. STFU.

Dude, you can cuss and call me all the K----s you want. I will not stoop to your level. However, I will challenge your comments with reasoned responses and pointed questions, and enjoy watching you ramble like a mad man.  :lol:

The questions were why is Black on Black crime so different than crimes committed by other races, and why are you only blaming Black on Black crime on liberals/democrats.

Who suggested that there was not a problem with Black on Black crime and we should just tolerate it,  Nobody, that's who.  
What I am saying is that talking about Black on Black crime when a police officer unjustifiably shoots or otherwise uses excessive force on a Black person is a deflection. It's almost like you are saying, well Black people just suck it up because we commit a disproportionate amount of crime. I say that is a load of nonsense.

No, I don't you get your drift, other than you appear to be ranting for the sake of ranting. You are all over the place, injecting partisan politics when there is no good reason for doing so.  

Black on Black crime  is caused by a myriad of factors, such as  poverty, lack of educational and economic opportunities, lack of positive role models in the community, etc., etc.  There must be solutions because Black crime has significantly declined over the past two decades.

Okay, so Democrats are in the control of the governments in St. Louis and Baltimore. So are you saying Freddie Gray's spine was severed because the Democrats run Baltimore? Are you serious? Keith Summey is the mayor of North Charleston South Carolina-- where the Black man was shot in the back 8 times.Keith Summey is a Republican. Does that have anything to do with why the man was shot in the back 8 times, of course not.  :shrug:

Please explain why you believe that Black on Black crime is caused by the democrats who govern large urban cities. What does the city being govern by Democrats or Blacks have to do with whether Black people should be protesting unarmed Black people being klled by the police under questionable circumstances.

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Post by: FunCkMaster on April 27, 2015, 08:11:20 PM
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Lie. There's not a black killed every month by a policeman. I can post a black on black murder daily if not two or three from just a few US large cities. K---- you know it's the truth. You know you K----s don't have a dyam solution along with your white socialist/communist friends on what to do about it.

What blows my mind I thought Barry was suppose to heal the world and make everybody love America. Moreover, I thought you K----s would stop being so GD angry. Looks like you black asses are angrier.

Wait hold up, once again, Mr. Darkie calling the kettle noir…. :lol: ::) :o

You have been on this non-stop rant ever since Nov. 4, 2008. By my count that is 6 years and 5 months, and you are talking about people being angry? Negro PLEASE…All you do is get on here day after day, week after week, month after month and year after year and blow off steam, mad that none of your loser candidates (Mr. Magoo and Chuck Taylor) won the presidency…You don't discuss sports or HBCU collegiate activities or other relevant world/national/local events…All you DO is get on here and rant and get mad about the same ol BullSH$%!!!

Man, go stick yourself.
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Post by: BulldogWillie on April 28, 2015, 11:02:44 AM
ARE WE GOING TO BELIEVE YOUR OPINION OR OUR LYING EYES???? :tiptoe:


Let's run the numbers....How many K----s were killed by cops in 2014 vs. K----s gunned down by other thug K----s? And under what circumstance did the K----s lose their life to cops vs. what K----s lost their life to other K----s?

Again, you are conflating the issues. The relevant numbers are how many times have Black people loss thier lives to cops and the cops aren't prosecuted. Stop pretending you dont' understand.  :no:

I am conflating a dyam thing. Me and other Uncle Tom K----s don't want to confront the 1000 lb gorilla in the room - the white man!
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Post by: Bison66 on May 19, 2015, 10:44:46 PM
As someone said, THE ANOMALIES CERTAINLY ARE PILING UP!!!!

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On Tuesday, Dane County District Attorney Ismael Ozanne announced that he would not file charges against Madison Officer Matt Kenny in the death of Tony Robinson, according to CBS News. Kenny shot the 19-year-old on March 6 in an apartment house near the state Capitol building. Police said Kenny was responding to calls that Robinson was running through traffic and had assaulted two people. They said Robinson attacked the officer after he entered the apartment house. The state DOJ investigated the shooting under a state law that requires outside agencies to lead probes into officer-involved deaths. The state agency handed over its findings to Ozanne on March 27.

9 Officers Fired After Death of Matthew Ajibade

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The Georgia Bureau of Investigation has fired nine Chatham County Sheriff’s deputies after an investigation into the death of Matthew Ajibade, 22, on January 1. The Chatham County Sheriff’s Office said that Ajibade, who suffered from bipolar disorder, died after a deputy use a Taser on him and he was placed in isolation in a restraining chair, according to Talking Points Memo. The Chatham County sheriff, which also conducted an investigation into Ajibade’s death and office procedures, announced new policies on Friday, including new medical procedures and a policy on when Tasers cannot be used on an inmate who is already in restraints. Chatham County District Attorney Meg Heap said that the investigation into Ajibade’s death and the deputies' actions would not be released to the public until her office finishes reviewing the materials. Heap stated that the case would likely go before a grand jury next month.


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Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: oldsport on May 20, 2015, 09:27:52 AM
They still remain anomalies when stacked against the number of police arrest and stops made in this country.
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Post by: Wildman78 on May 20, 2015, 09:30:17 AM
They still remain anomalies when stacked against the number of police arrest and stops made in this country.

Yeah, your'e right. But, it certainly appears that unarmed Blacks are much more likely to be shot by police than unarmed Whites.
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Post by: Que82 on May 20, 2015, 10:57:48 AM
They still remain anomalies when stacked against the number of police arrest and stops made in this country.

Yeah, your'e right. But, it certainly appears that unarmed Blacks are much more likely to be shot by police than unarmed armed Whites.
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Post by: oldsport on May 20, 2015, 11:02:03 AM
They still remain anomalies when stacked against the number of police arrest and stops made in this country.

Yeah, your'e right. But, it certainly appears that unarmed Blacks are much more likely to be shot by police than unarmed Whites.

Do you have statistical data to support your comment? I will say this - the cases of this type occurrence seem to get the most widely circulated publicity by the main stream media and especially if a white policeman is involved. I WONDER WHY?
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Post by: Wildman78 on May 20, 2015, 11:22:51 AM
They still remain anomalies when stacked against the number of police arrest and stops made in this country.

Yeah, your'e right. But, it certainly appears that unarmed Blacks are much more likely to be shot by police than unarmed Whites.

Do you have statistical data to support your comment? I will say this - the cases of this type occurrence seem to get the most widely circulated publicity by the main stream media and especially if a white policeman is involved. I WONDER WHY?

Young black males in recent years were at a far greater risk of being shot dead by police than their white counterparts – 21 times greater i, according to a ProPublica analysis of federally collected data on fatal police shootings.

The 1,217 deadly police shootings from 2010 to 2012 captured in the federal data show that blacks, age 15 to 19, were killed at a rate of 31.17 per million, while just 1.47 per million white males in that age range died at the hands of police

http://www.propublica.org/article/deadly-force-in-black-and-white

A 2002 study in the American Journal of Public Health found that the death rate due to legal intervention was more than three times higher for blacks than for whites in the period from 1988 to 1997.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/aug/21/michael-medved/talk-show-host-police-kill-more-whites-blacks/

The media coverage of these incidents depend on a number of factors, including the race of the participants. In the Ferguson and Baltimore cases, I believe the media was drawn to the public outrage. In the Cleveland case, there was the eggregious fact of the victim being 12 years old and having a toy gun. The Walmart case, the guy was carrying a gun that he had just taken off the shelf, the police shot him before he could respond to their commands. The guy being shot in the back 8 times was so eggregious, that it demanded national coverage.

Please feel free to post incidents involving white people shot by police under circumstances that you feel would have garnered more press if the police officer was White and the victim was Black.

Maybe, there is very little coverage of police officers shooting whites under questionable circumstances because it just doesn't happen very often.

Here's more:

Social science research shows that, in video simulations, people are more likely to shoot black men. The participants—often undergraduate students, both black and white—play a simulation where they press “shoot” if they think the white or black suspect holds a gun. Consistently, psychologists have found the students more likely to shoot the unarmed black person over an unarmed white person.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119060/michael-brown-studies-show-racial-bias-police-shootings

I wonder why?  :shrug:
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: oldsport on May 20, 2015, 01:28:03 PM
They still remain anomalies when stacked against the number of police arrest and stops made in this country.

Yeah, your'e right. But, it certainly appears that unarmed Blacks are much more likely to be shot by police than unarmed Whites.

Do you have statistical data to support your comment? I will say this - the cases of this type occurrence seem to get the most widely circulated publicity by the main stream media and especially if a white policeman is involved. I WONDER WHY?

Young black males in recent years were at a far greater risk of being shot dead by police than their white counterparts – 21 times greater i, according to a ProPublica analysis of federally collected data on fatal police shootings.

The 1,217 deadly police shootings from 2010 to 2012 captured in the federal data show that blacks, age 15 to 19, were killed at a rate of 31.17 per million, while just 1.47 per million white males in that age range died at the hands of police

http://www.propublica.org/article/deadly-force-in-black-and-white

A 2002 study in the American Journal of Public Health found that the death rate due to legal intervention was more than three times higher for blacks than for whites in the period from 1988 to 1997.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/aug/21/michael-medved/talk-show-host-police-kill-more-whites-blacks/

The media coverage of these incidents depend on a number of factors, including the race of the participants. In the Ferguson and Baltimore cases, I believe the media was drawn to the public outrage. In the Cleveland case, there was the eggregious fact of the victim being 12 years old and having a toy gun. The Walmart case, the guy was carrying a gun that he had just taken off the shelf, the police shot him before he could respond to their commands. The guy being shot in the back 8 times was so eggregious, that it demanded national coverage.

Please feel free to post incidents involving white people shot by police under circumstances that you feel would have garnered more press if the police officer was White and the victim was Black.

Maybe, there is very little coverage of police officers shooting whites under questionable circumstances because it just doesn't happen very often.

Here's more:

Social science research shows that, in video simulations, people are more likely to shoot black men. The participants—often undergraduate students, both black and white—play a simulation where they press “shoot” if they think the white or black suspect holds a gun. Consistently, psychologists have found the students more likely to shoot the unarmed black person over an unarmed white person.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119060/michael-brown-studies-show-racial-bias-police-shootings

I wonder why?  :shrug:

Does the intervention between policeman and blacks have something to do with the amount of violent criminal activity involving blacks. Look, again, the number of blacks killed by policeman vs. the number blacks killed by one another is insignificant.
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Wildman78 on May 20, 2015, 01:41:06 PM
Does the intervention between policeman and blacks have something to do with the amount of violent criminal activity involving blacks. Look, again, the number of blacks killed by policeman vs. the number blacks killed by one another is insignificant.


You asked me to provide statisitical data that that unarmed Blacks are more likely to be shot by police officers than unarmed Whites.  

I provided the statistics.  

I don't understand your first question/point.  :shrug:

I've already addressed your second point in this thread repeatedly:

That continues to be a bogus point.

As I wrote on previous occasions:

Black people can protest injustices while simultaneously recognizing that we commit a disproportionate amount of crime. Again, it appears that you are suggesting we forego protesting injustices or unequal protection of the laws until we get our own house in order. That's like saying back in the 1920s,  Black people should have accepted lynchings because they had a disproportionate crime rate back then too.

....

The outrage was about the lack of justice not the actual crime that was committed.

My feelings on this matter are summed up in this analogy:

If a teacher hits my son but lectures a white student for committing the same rule infraction, when I meet with the principal, I don't want the principal trying to justify the teacher's actions by telling me that the Black kids break the school rules at a disproportionate rate.



Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: oldsport on May 20, 2015, 02:10:05 PM
Does the intervention between policeman and blacks have something to do with the amount of violent criminal activity involving blacks. Look, again, the number of blacks killed by policeman vs. the number blacks killed by one another is insignificant.


You asked me to provide statisitical data that that unaremed Blacks are more likely to be shot by police officers than unarmed Whites. 

I provided the statistics. 

I don't understand your first question/point.  :shrug:

I've already addressed your second point in this thread repeatedly:

That continues to be a bogus point.

As I wrote on previous occasions:

Black people can protest injustices while simultaneously recognizing that we commit a disproportionate amount of crime. Again, it appears that you are suggesting we forego protesting injustices or unequal protection of the laws until we get our own house in order. That's like saying back in the 1920s,  Black people should have accepted lynchings because they had a disproportionate crime rate back then too.

....

The outrage was about the lack of justice not the actual crime that was committed.

My feelings on this matter are summed up in this analogy:

If a teacher hits my son but lectures a white student for committing the same rule infraction, when I meet with the principal, I don't want the principal trying to justify the teacher's actions by telling me that the Black kids break the school rules at a disproportionate rate.





Are you equating policeman contacts with blacks is analogous to lynchings?
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Wildman78 on May 20, 2015, 03:10:50 PM
Are you equating policeman contacts with blacks is analogous to lynchings?

Check your syntax.

I am "analogizing" the killing of unarmed black men by police officers under questionable circumstances today with the lynchings that took place during the Jim Crow era.  The essence of a lynching is the execution of an individual accused of a criminal offense without a judicial pronouncement.

The term "lynching" is not the point. You can replace the "lynching" with the phrase "unjustifiable killings."  The point is that Blacks should not forego protesting injustices committed by law enforcement simply because we commit a disproportionate amount of crime.

If a cop pulls me over because I'm Black, I shouldn't excuse it just because he's more likely to get lucky by pulling over Black people.
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Bison66 on May 20, 2015, 09:03:16 PM
Does the intervention between policeman and blacks have something to do with the amount of violent criminal activity involving blacks. Look, again, the number of blacks killed by policeman vs. the number blacks killed by one another is insignificant.


You asked me to provide statisitical data that that unaremed Blacks are more likely to be shot by police officers than unarmed Whites. 

I provided the statistics. 

I don't understand your first question/point.  :shrug:

I've already addressed your second point in this thread repeatedly:

That continues to be a bogus point.

As I wrote on previous occasions:

Black people can protest injustices while simultaneously recognizing that we commit a disproportionate amount of crime. Again, it appears that you are suggesting we forego protesting injustices or unequal protection of the laws until we get our own house in order. That's like saying back in the 1920s,  Black people should have accepted lynchings because they had a disproportionate crime rate back then too.

....

The outrage was about the lack of justice not the actual crime that was committed.

My feelings on this matter are summed up in this analogy:

If a teacher hits my son but lectures a white student for committing the same rule infraction, when I meet with the principal, I don't want the principal trying to justify the teacher's actions by telling me that the Black kids break the school rules at a disproportionate rate.



Are you equating policeman contacts with blacks is analogous to lynchings?

He was not, but...
Olds..t, IT IS YOU who has consistently compared policemen to criminals by offering in contrast to the issue (police killings of Black) under discussion, examples of drug and gang related violence in the Black community.
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Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Bison66 on May 20, 2015, 09:06:04 PM
They still remain anomalies when stacked against the number of police arrest and stops made in this country.

Yeah, your'e right. But, it certainly appears that unarmed Blacks are much more likely to be shot by police than unarmed Whites.

Do you have statistical data to support your comment? I will say this - the cases of this type occurrence seem to get the most widely circulated publicity by the main stream media and especially if a white policeman is involved. I WONDER WHY?

If you want statistical evidence (altho you will reject if it does not support your opinion), you should sign the petition:
http://onnidan1.com/forum/index.php?topic=100667.msg813186#msg813186
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Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Bison66 on May 21, 2015, 12:57:52 AM
Active Duty NCO, Olds..t!!!!!!
Active Duty!!!!!


VIDEO
http://www.democracynow.org/2015/5/20/sgt_james_brown_26_survived_two

Sgt. James Brown, 26, Survived Two Tours in Iraq Only to Die Begging for His Life in Texas Jail

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...The video shows guards swarming on top of him as he repeatedly says he can’t breathe and appears not to resist. By the end of the video, he is shown naked, not blinking or responding, his breathing shallow. Attorneys say an ambulance was never called. Brown was eventually brought to a hospital, where he was pronounced dead. His family had long suspected foul play in his death but received little information from authorities.

THIS VIDEO WAS MADE IN 2012!!!

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Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Bison66 on May 21, 2015, 01:06:39 AM
Another case from 2012....

VIDEO...  (BE SURE TO WATCH THE BROTHER OF THE DEAD WOMAN SPEAK)

Illinois Judge Calls Police Killing of Rekia Boyd "Beyond Reckless" But Acquits Cop on Technicality

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Rekia Boyd was 22 years old when she was killed in 2012 by an off-duty Chicago police detective. Dante Servin fired several shots over his shoulder into a group of people Boyd was standing with near his home, striking her in the back of her head. He was charged with involuntary manslaughter, marking the first time in 15 years a Chicago police officer was charged for a fatal shooting. But last month, in a dramatic dismissal, Judge Dennis Porter acquitted Servin on a legal fine point. While speaking from the bench, Porter suggested prosecutors should have actually charged Servin with murder. "The act of intentionally firing a gun at some person or persons on the street is an act that is so dangerous it is beyond reckless; it is intentional, and the crime, if there be any, is first-degree murder," he said.
http://www.democracynow.org/2015/5/20/illinois_judge_calls_police_killing_of

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Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Bison66 on May 21, 2015, 01:16:36 AM
Anamolies, smanamalies!!!!!

Say Her Name: Families Seek Justice in Overlooked Police Killings of African-American Women

VIDEO:  http://www.democracynow.org/2015/5/20/say_her_name_families_seek_justice

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As the Black Lives Matter movement grows across the country, the names of Michael Brown, Eric Garner, Tamir Rice and Freddie Gray have become well known. All died at the hands of local police, sparking waves of protest. During this time, far less attention has been paid to women who have been killed by law enforcement. Today, a vigil under the banner of Say Her Name is being organized in New York to remember them.

...During this time, far less attention has been paid to women who have been killed by law enforcement, women like Tanisha Anderson, Rekia Boyd, Miriam Carey, Michelle Cusseaux, Shelly Frey and Kayla Moore.

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Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Bison66 on May 21, 2015, 04:08:27 PM
What possible CREDIBLE reason can there be for an investigation of a killing caught on tape to still be in process 6 months later?

This child has not been buried because of the City of Cleveland
(http://www.brothersonsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/tamirrice.jpg)

VIDEO HERE:  http://www.brothersonsports.com/ricenotburied1/

The City of Cleveland is TORTURING THIS FAMILY by not permitting them to bury their child.  
The City of Cleveland is BLACKMAILING THIS FAMILY trying to get them to drop their lawsuit.

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Neither of the officers’ involved in the shooting, Timothy Loehmann and his partner Frank Garmback, have been charged in Rice’s death and they have asked a federal judge to halt the Rice family’s federal civil rights lawsuit while the sheriff completes an independent criminal investigation.
City attorneys are arguing in Loehmann and Garmback’s motion that they fear their answers in the federal investigation may self-incriminate them in the criminal case, “where the stakes are significantly higher and their liberty is directly at risk.”

WTF!!!

In that case, JUST FINISH THE INVESTIGATION AND CHARGE (OR NOT) THE OFFICER(S) INVOLVED.

What possible CREDIBLE reason can there be for an investigation of a killing caught on tape to still be in process 6 months later?

IS THERE ANYONE IN THE GOVERNMENT OF THE CITY OF CLEVELAND's TOP ECHELONS WITH A CONSCIENCE?

THIS IS A F'ING TRAVESTY!

IF THIS WAS THE CHILD OF A PROMINENT WHITE PERSON, IS THERE ANYONE WHO ACTUALLY BELIEVES THIS WOULD BE GOING ON LIKE THIS?

One system of justice for the Black and the working class, ANOTHER one for the white and the rich.
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Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: oldsport on May 21, 2015, 04:12:50 PM
What possible CREDIBLE reason can there be for an investigation of a killing caught on tape to still be in process 6 months later?

This child has not been buried because of the City of Cleveland
(http://www.brothersonsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/tamirrice.jpg)

VIDEO HERE:  http://www.brothersonsports.com/ricenotburied1/

The City of Cleveland is TORTURING THIS FAMILY by not permitting them to bury their child.  
The City of Cleveland is BLACKMAILING THIS FAMILY trying to get them to drop their lawsuit.

Quote
Neither of the officers’ involved in the shooting, Timothy Loehmann and his partner Frank Garmback, have been charged in Rice’s death and they have asked a federal judge to halt the Rice family’s federal civil rights lawsuit while the sheriff completes an independent criminal investigation.
City attorneys are arguing in Loehmann and Garmback’s motion that they fear their answers in the federal investigation may self-incriminate them in the criminal case, “where the stakes are significantly higher and their liberty is directly at risk.”

WTF!!!

In that case, JUST FINISH THE INVESTIGATION AND CHARGE (OR NOT) THE OFFICER(S) INVOLVED.

What possible CREDIBLE reason can there be for an investigation of a killing caught on tape to still be in process 6 months later?

IS THERE ANYONE IN THE GOVERNMENT OF THE CITY OF CLEVELAND's TOP ECHELONS WITH A CONSCIENCE?

THIS IS A F'ING TRAVESTY!

IF THIS WAS THE CHILD OF A PROMINENT WHITE PERSON, IS THERE ANYONE WHO ACTUALLY BELIEVES THIS WOULD BE GOING ON LIKE THIS?

One system of justice for the Black and the working class, ANOTHER one for the white and the rich.
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Very unfortunate incident. Still a anomaly. Black gunmen in Chicago and elsewhere regularly shoot innocent children and not by mistake.

By the way, thank God you're in a open republic and democratic society. In a socialist or communist run country in Africa, you would have never heard about this incident.

Oh I bet you didn't mind OJ's rich man's justice. You probably was one of the ones who cheered when this killer walked.
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Wildman78 on May 21, 2015, 04:33:06 PM
Very unfortunate incident. Still a anomaly. Black gunmen in Chicago and elsewhere regularly shoot innocent children and not by mistake.

By the way, thank God you're in a open republic and democratic society. In a socialist or communist run country in Africa, you would have never heard about this incident.

Oh I bet you didn't mind OJ's rich man's justice. You probably was one of the ones who cheered when this killer walked.


Everything after "very unfortunate incident" is completely irrelevent.

Oh yes Ms. Rice. We know your child is dead because some police officer shot him while he was holding a BB gun less than 2 seconds after officers arrived on the scene. However, you must realize that this is an anamoly, and young Black kids are often killed by other Blacks during gang disputes either intentionally or accidentally, so you should not be too angry.

Also, be glad you live in America as oppose to some other country.  At least here,  the officers will be tried for the crime, although the chances of them being convicted are slim. However, you have the opportunity to seek civil redress. So, just be thankful, and don't raise too much of a fuss.

Does that about size up your argument Oldsport.  >:(
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Que82 on May 21, 2015, 05:25:41 PM
Very unfortunate incident. Still a anomaly. Black gunmen in Chicago and elsewhere regularly shoot innocent children and not by mistake.

By the way, thank God you're in a open republic and democratic society. In a socialist or communist run country in Africa, you would have never heard about this incident.

Oh I bet you didn't mind OJ's rich man's justice. You probably was one of the ones who cheered when this killer walked.


Everything after "very unfortunate incident" is completely irrelevent.

Oh yes Ms. Rice. We know your child is dead because some police officer shot him while he was holding a BB gun less than 2 seconds after officers arrived on the scene. However, you must realize that this is an anamoly, and young Black kids are often killed by other Blacks during gang disputes either intentionally or accidentally, so you should not be too angry.

Also, be glad you live in America as oppose to some other country.  At least here,  the officers will be tried for the crime, although the chances of them being convicted are slim. However, you have the opportunity to seek civil redress. So, just be thankful, and don't raise too much of a fuss.


Does that about size up your argument Oldsport.  >:(

Damn, just reading this made me feel some kind of way. :shrug:
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Bison66 on May 21, 2015, 10:41:43 PM
What possible CREDIBLE reason can there be for an investigation of a killing caught on tape to still be in process 6 months later?

This child has not been buried because of the City of Cleveland
(http://www.brothersonsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/tamirrice.jpg)

VIDEO HERE:  http://www.brothersonsports.com/ricenotburied1/

The City of Cleveland is TORTURING THIS FAMILY by not permitting them to bury their child.  
The City of Cleveland is BLACKMAILING THIS FAMILY trying to get them to drop their lawsuit.

Quote
Neither of the officers’ involved in the shooting, Timothy Loehmann and his partner Frank Garmback, have been charged in Rice’s death and they have asked a federal judge to halt the Rice family’s federal civil rights lawsuit while the sheriff completes an independent criminal investigation.
City attorneys are arguing in Loehmann and Garmback’s motion that they fear their answers in the federal investigation may self-incriminate them in the criminal case, “where the stakes are significantly higher and their liberty is directly at risk.”

WTF!!!

In that case, JUST FINISH THE INVESTIGATION AND CHARGE (OR NOT) THE OFFICER(S) INVOLVED.

What possible CREDIBLE reason can there be for an investigation of a killing caught on tape to still be in process 6 months later?

IS THERE ANYONE IN THE GOVERNMENT OF THE CITY OF CLEVELAND's TOP ECHELONS WITH A CONSCIENCE?

THIS IS A F'ING TRAVESTY!

IF THIS WAS THE CHILD OF A PROMINENT WHITE PERSON, IS THERE ANYONE WHO ACTUALLY BELIEVES THIS WOULD BE GOING ON LIKE THIS?

One system of justice for the Black and the working class, ANOTHER one for the white and the rich.
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Very unfortunate incident. Still a anomaly. Black gunmen in Chicago and elsewhere regularly shoot innocent children and not by mistake.

By the way, thank God you're in a open republic and democratic society. In a socialist or communist run country in Africa, you would have never heard about this incident.

Oh I bet you didn't mind OJ's rich man's justice. You probably was one of the ones who cheered when this killer walked.

Mr. Moral Relativist, there you go again JUSTIFYING the unjustifiable BY LIKENING COPS TO CRIMINALS.
AND, in effect, you are implying:  We shouldn't expect more from the police than we do from killer criminals.

That's YOUR defense of them, huh?
I know that you do not have sense enough to know that's what you are doing.  Your hatred of Black / African people is so great it blinds you.

WRONG AGAIN re: OJ:
Again, you are having a Strawman Argument with yourself.

For the record:  From DAY ONE and even more so as the evidence came in, I believed OJ was guilty as hell.  However, when a key detective (and star witness) takes the 5th on the stand, no fair person can fault a jury for having a "reasonable doubt."
 
But I did not cheer the verdict.  It was a major miscarriage of justice.  Such a nuance would escape your narrow-minded view.

To be consistent with your comments about white killers of innocent Blacks, you should be saying re: OJ:  "stuff happens."

But I understand you, Olds..t:
You are a simpleton trying to read others' minds; but your disadvantage is your limited mental capacity.

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Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: oldsport on May 22, 2015, 08:02:53 AM
This is tragic. However, this is all too common which you folk don't want to admit.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8b6_1336224540
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Bison66 on May 22, 2015, 08:21:57 AM
As usual, Olds..t could not deal with the response to his "assertions."
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Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Wildman78 on May 22, 2015, 09:06:56 AM
This is tragic. However, this is all too common which you folk don't want to admit.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8b6_1336224540

All too common, yeah right.  ::)

It is a well established fact that the overwhelming majority of homicide crimes are intraracial.

Most murders were intraracial. From 1980 through 2008, 84 percent of white homicide victims were murdered by whites and 93 percent of black victims were murdered by blacks. During this same period, blacks were disproportionately represented among homicide victims and offenders. Blacks were six times more likely than whites to be homicide victims and seven times more likely than whites to commit homicide.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/homicides-fall-to-lowest-rate-in-four-decades-133967273.html

Do you have a response to my previous post reference my take on your argument as it applies to Tamir Rice's mother.  


Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Bison66 on May 23, 2015, 01:59:00 PM
What possible CREDIBLE reason can there be for an investigation of a killing caught on tape to still be in process 6 months later?

This child has not been buried because of the City of Cleveland
(http://www.brothersonsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/tamirrice.jpg)

VIDEO HERE:  http://www.brothersonsports.com/ricenotburied1/

The City of Cleveland is TORTURING THIS FAMILY by not permitting them to bury their child.  
The City of Cleveland is BLACKMAILING THIS FAMILY trying to get them to drop their lawsuit.

Quote
Neither of the officers’ involved in the shooting, Timothy Loehmann and his partner Frank Garmback, have been charged in Rice’s death and they have asked a federal judge to halt the Rice family’s federal civil rights lawsuit while the sheriff completes an independent criminal investigation.
City attorneys are arguing in Loehmann and Garmback’s motion that they fear their answers in the federal investigation may self-incriminate them in the criminal case, “where the stakes are significantly higher and their liberty is directly at risk.”

WTF!!!

In that case, JUST FINISH THE INVESTIGATION AND CHARGE (OR NOT) THE OFFICER(S) INVOLVED.

What possible CREDIBLE reason can there be for an investigation of a killing caught on tape to still be in process 6 months later?

IS THERE ANYONE IN THE GOVERNMENT OF THE CITY OF CLEVELAND's TOP ECHELONS WITH A CONSCIENCE?

THIS IS A F'ING TRAVESTY!

IF THIS WAS THE CHILD OF A PROMINENT WHITE PERSON, IS THERE ANYONE WHO ACTUALLY BELIEVES THIS WOULD BE GOING ON LIKE THIS?

One system of justice for the Black and the working class, ANOTHER one for the white and the rich.
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Very unfortunate incident. Still a anomaly. Black gunmen in Chicago and elsewhere regularly shoot innocent children and not by mistake.

By the way, thank God you're in a open republic and democratic society. In a socialist or communist run country in Africa, you would have never heard about this incident.

Oh I bet you didn't mind OJ's rich man's justice. You probably was one of the ones who cheered when this killer walked.

As of TODAY, another Cleveland cop has gotten away with LYNCHING a Black man and a Black woman.  It happened 2.5 years ago.

Over 100 shots fired by a dozen or so cops and then this one cop is charged with MANSLAUGHTER for climbing on the hood of the car after a chase (WHICH WAS AGAINST POLICE POLICY!!!!) and firing more than a dozen times through the windshield.

A lynch mob in blue!!!

And it all began with a backfire that was mistaken for a gunshot!!!

Somebody tell me with a straight face this would have happened in a rich suburb with a white couple in the car.

AND DON'T NOBODY ASK EVER AGAIN, "WHY DID HE RUN?" 

Folks sometimes run from the police because they feel they may have a better chance of living if they do.  That they are often mistaken does not negate their thinking process.

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Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Bison66 on May 24, 2015, 05:36:37 PM
(https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10384338_10153262538131067_9207338221471719329_n.png?oh=4118239137b009f3f1878cdaa8c50f6e&oe=560376DE)

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Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Bison66 on May 25, 2015, 11:02:47 PM
Add this to the growing list:

An NBA Player Is Missing the Playoffs Because the NYPD Broke His Leg—Why the Sports-Media Silence?

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The NBA Finals may be determined by an act of police violence. This is an incendiary fact, yet a curious media silence surrounds the saga of injured Atlanta Hawks guard Thabo Sefolosha. The nine-year pro has been absent from the playoffs after a group of New York Police Department officers broke his leg in April following a late-night confrontation outside a Chelsea nightclub. The police accounts about what took place conflict dramatically, with video that emerged of a group of officers surrounding Sefolosha, with one brandishing a nightstick. Sefolosha, with assistance from the National Basketball Players Association, is planning a lawsuit against the City of New York.

http://m.thenation.com/blog/208009-nba-player-missing-playoffs-because-nypd-broke-his-leg-why-sports-media-silence

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Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Bison66 on May 25, 2015, 11:13:23 PM
Second for today...

WATCH THE VIDEO
Fredericksburg Police officer resigns after use of force on suspect deemed 'not appropriate'

Turns out the Black man was having a medical emergency.

Read more: http://www.wjla.com/articles/2015/05/fredericksburg-police-officer-resigns-after-taser-pepper-spray-incident-114169.html#ixzz3bD7Grq2m

Add to the "No No" list:
Getting Sick while Black

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Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Bison66 on May 31, 2015, 02:52:58 PM
There are cases "like" this ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY.
Is it dozens?  Is it hundreds?  Is it thousands?
No one knows because there is NO requirement for the submission of info on police shootings to a central database.

Why aren't CONSERVATIVES - the anti-big govt types who are worried about POLICE STATE TACTICS - up in arms (pardon the pun) about incidents like this.........?

Lots of such Conservatives in Florida, right?

A Florida Police Killing Like Many, Disputed and Little Noticed

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...A federal wrongful death lawsuit filed May 11 accused the Broward Sheriff’s Office of tampering with evidence and obstructing justice. The suit alleges that the deputy who shot Mr. McBean perjured himself and that the department covered it up by giving him a bravery award shortly after the killing, while the shooting was still under investigation.

From Ferguson, Mo., to Baltimore to Cleveland, the nation seems awash in disputed, high-profile cases of police violence. But a look at disputed cases in Florida is a reminder of how frequently they arise far from the limelight and how many questions surround the way they are investigated. The issue is particularly acute in Florida, where State Department of Law Enforcement statistics show the number of fatal police shootings has tripled in the past 15 years, even as crime has plummeted.

In South Florida’s Broward County, no officer has been charged in a fatal on-duty police shooting since 1980, a period that covers 168 shooting deaths.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/31/us/a-florida-police-killing-like-many-disputed-and-little-noticed.html?_r=0

What did the cops do to tamper with evidence?
It has something to do with "ear buds."

The mother of the young black man killed by police:
(http://static01.nyt.com/images/2015/05/31/us/31shoot-JP-01/31shoot-JP-01-master675.jpg)

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Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Wildman78 on May 31, 2015, 08:05:36 PM

Deputy shoots, kills man who was holding air rifle, agency says



Green Tree Apartments at 5201 N. Dixie Highway in Oakland Park, where the Broward Sheriff's Office said a man carrying a shotgun was shot Wednesday afternoon by at least one deputy.

Green Tree Apartments at 5201 N. Dixie Highway in Oakland Park, where the… (Linda Trischitta, Sun Sentinel )

August 1, 2013|By Linda Trischitta and Wayne K. Roustan, Sun Sentinel


OAKLAND PARK — A man carrying an air rifle before he was shot by a Broward Sheriff's deputy in an Oakland Park apartment complex Wednesday died at Broward Health Medical Center, sheriff's officials said.

The agency identified the dead man as Jermaine McBean, 33.

A relative said he lived in the Green Tree Apartments complex at 5201 N. Dixie Hwy. where he was fatally wounded.

Shortly after 4 p.m., BSO said it received 911 calls regarding an adult male who was walking while armed with a rifle.

A deputy at the scene saw McBean walking along the highway, called for back up and a sergeant and deputy responded, the agency said.

The deputies saw McBean enter the apartment complex, walk toward an occupied swimming pool and tried to get him to drop his gun, according to BSO.

Sheriff's spokeswoman Veda Coleman-Wright said McBean was ordered several times to drop his gun but he turned and pointed it in the direction of Deputy Peter Peraza, who fired his weapon.

No other shots were fired and McBean was the only person injured, she said.  He was declared dead at Broward Health Medical Center in Fort Lauderdale.

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2013-08-01/news/fl-oakland-park-bso-shooting-20130731_1_deputy-shoots-rifle-bso

After Florida police shot Jermaine McBean to death as he walked home with an unloaded air rifle, they said there was no reason to believe he did not hear their orders to drop the weapon and that he pointed it at them.

But a newly emerged photo that shows headphones in McBean's ears immediately after the 2013 shooting raises questions about the police version of events, including why the white earbuds were later found stuffed in the dead computer expert's pocket.

And another aspect of the police account is also being contradicted — by a man who called 911 in alarm when he saw McBean walking around with the air rifle but who also says McBean never pointed it at police or anyone else.

Michael Russell McCarthy, 58, told NBC News that McBean had the Winchester Model 1000 Air Rifle balanced on his shoulders behind his neck, with his hand over both ends, and was turning around to face police when one officer began shooting.

"He [McBean] couldn't have fired that gun from the position he was in. There was no possible way of firing it and at the same time hitting something," McCarthy said. "I kind of blame myself, because if I hadn't called it might not have happened."


http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/photo-raises-doubts-about-police-shooting-jermaine-mcbean-n366386

^^^listen to 911 calls
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Bison66 on June 05, 2015, 02:18:36 AM
Thank you, Wildman.

And,...

From 2012, but the video is ONLY NOW being released...

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Surveillance video contradicts police officers' account of Bronx wreck that left motorcyclist dead and passenger brain damaged

(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2242038.1433113914!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_400/bike1n-1-web.jpg)
Motorcyclist Ronald Herrera died from his injuries after
 he was rear-ended by an NYPD radio car in 2012.

Man, these anamolies sure are adding up!!!!!

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A surveillance video showing an NYPD radio car rear-ending a motorcycle in the Bronx contradicts the cops’ account of how the fatal accident happened, the Daily News has learned.

Internal Affairs Bureau investigators obtained the video shortly after the Oct. 27, 2012, high-speed chase ended in a crash on Walton Ave., leaving the bike’s driver, Ronald Herrera, mortally injured and his passenger, Leonel Cuevas, brain-damaged.

The initial police reports on the incident stated the dirt bike was not being pursued by police. Cops claimed the dirt bike was attempting to overtake the radio car when Herrera lost control and wiped out.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/video-contradicts-account-fatal-wreck-article-1.2242039

The good cops did not destroy the tape.

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Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Bison66 on June 07, 2015, 02:11:05 PM
#1 VIDEO: NYPD Barge into Civil Rights Activist’s Home, No Warrant, Assault Underage Daughter

Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/nypd-caught-camera-barging-civil-rights-activists-home-warrant-assaulting-underage-daughter/#l0y7T7CPOMpL32jO.99

#2 Power Hungry New York Cops Arrest Teen for Playing Basketball – Video Proves They Lied on Report

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Deciding that teaching manners is now in the job description of police, Officer Cranston attempted to grab Bertino as he was following the order to exit the park, causing the teenager to pull away.

Bertino told the officer not to touch him, as he was not detained, and there was no justification for the officer to have his hands on him.  At this point, the officer tells him that he is under arrest and violently throws the barely 17-year-old to the ground with assistance from Officer Caitlin.  A third officer then rushes over to pile up on him.

“The arresting officers lied on the police report saying my son threatened the officer and cursed at the officer. In the unedited video, you can plainly hear he never cursed at the officer,” Dante’s father, Jeremy Bertino, told The Free Thought Project.
Dante was charged with obstructing a government investigation, disorderly conduct, and resisting arrest.  His father obtained a copy of the police report and maintains that the video proves the police lied.  He plans to file a formal complaint on behalf of his son.

“They messed with the wrong guy’s son. I am very informed of the laws and our rights and how they are trampled on daily,” his father stated.  “If everyone just keeps allowing the cops to violate our rights it will only get worse.  We have to take a stand against the tyranny that is being allowed daily in this country by us citizens. The cops are trained to violate our rights for their arrest quotas.”

Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/york-police-arrest-teen-playing-basketball-video-proves-lied-police-report/#i4Kf2BZlds5vFOt8.99
Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/york-police-arrest-teen-playing-basketball-video-proves-lied-police-report/#i4Kf2BZlds5vFOt8.99

#3 SHOCK VIDEO: Cop Claims Freedom of Speech Does Not Give Citizens the Right to Question Police

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“You don’t have the right to question me about what we’re doing out here…Freedom of speech does not include questioning me, it doesn’t work like that,” says this Hartford officer as he ducks over to another car to violate their right to travel unmolested.

The irony here is that the 1st amendment was explicitly written to protect the act of questioning authority. This officer epitomizes what the founders had in mind when they wrote it.

Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/shock-video-cop-claims-freedom-speech-give-citizens-question-police/#WL2u4SyxqylwCiFC.99

#4  Graphic Body Cam Footage Shows Killer Cop as He Murders an Innocent Unarmed Man

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Barely 40 seconds go by from the time Dillon is approached until he is shot by Cruz.

The body cam footage was released in September of last year, however, it stopped just after the shots were fired. Apparently the department did not want you to see what happened after as the full video was not released until this week. It shows the disturbing moments before and after this innocent man was gunned down by police.

Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/graphic-body-cam-footage-shows-killer-cop-murders-innocent-unarmed-man/#E3KDt00FpQEmWzUX.99

#5 Pool Party Turns Violent When Police Show Up and Assault and Nearly Shoot Multiple Teens

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Once the officers seemed to have calmed down, one of them began to attack a young woman who was doing absolutely nothing wrong. As he was assaulting the young woman, several bystanders tried to intervene. At this point, things almost got deadly.

The officer then pulled his gun to ward off the good Samaritans who attempted to stop his brutal attack on a young woman. Luckily for all those involved, two of the crazed officer’s co-workers stopped him from shooting people. As he had his gun drawn on multiple teenagers, the two officers patted him on his back in an apparent attempt to calm him down.

“On your face!” screams the abusive officer as he slams a young girl’s head into the ground.

At the end of the video, the officer attempts to justify his brutal actions by telling the teens that the entire situation was their fault because they failed to prostrate themselves fast enough.

“I told you to sit!” the officer exclaims as if the teenagers were dogs who disobeyed his commands.
Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/pool-party-turns-violent-police-show-assault-shoot-multiple-teens/#6cLm2RMH8I1g34jC.99

WHERE IS THE fFAR fRIGHT ANTI-BIG GOVT CONSERVATIVE OUTRAGE!!!
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Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Bison66 on June 08, 2015, 12:48:03 AM
"Someone" said that police killings of unarmed Black men (AND women) was an anomaly.  You know, nothing to worry about.

But THERE IS NO nationally collected DATA!!!
NO ONE KNOWS HOW MANY SUCH KILLINGS THERE ARE.

So, the New York Times decided to collect information on reported police killings as best they could around the country.  Here's their first report on just the FATAL shootings (many of the victims are Black or Brown):

Fatal Police Shootings: Accounts Since Ferguson

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/04/08/us/fatal-police-shooting-accounts.html

Be careful, y'all IF YOU CALL 911.  You could be the one ending up shot or dead.

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Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: oldsport on June 08, 2015, 10:51:13 AM
43 Black Murders in Baltimore.....Six teens shot this weekend.....This black on black murder and shootings.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bs-md-ci-shootings-20150607-story.html

How many blacks were killed by the police in Baltimore for 2015?
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Que82 on June 08, 2015, 02:38:19 PM
43 Black Murders in Baltimore.....Six teens shot this weekend.....This black on black murder and shootings.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bs-md-ci-shootings-20150607-story.html

How many blacks were killed by the police in Baltimore for 2015?

One unjustified police killing was too many. ::)  So are the black on black crimes.  Police are suppose to be better than the criminals, you know "protect and serve"   

What if anything do you want to share (so we can learn from you) which will help eradicate black on black crime.  Or is all you do is bitch about it when you are trying to make a republican talking point?????
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: ‘87 Alum on June 08, 2015, 02:58:50 PM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/57/89/ed/5789edad645cfaf22c536a6cd92045cf.jpg) (http://www.thistangledweb.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/522203_387048074670729_337796209595916_1071992_1184666677_n.jpg)

(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/3466244/sexual-chocolate-o.gif)
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: oldsport on June 08, 2015, 04:15:09 PM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/57/89/ed/5789edad645cfaf22c536a6cd92045cf.jpg) (http://www.thistangledweb.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/522203_387048074670729_337796209595916_1071992_1184666677_n.jpg)

(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/3466244/sexual-chocolate-o.gif)

I don't find it funny at all. The black murder rate in Baltimore as well as other cities is unacceptable.
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Wildman78 on June 08, 2015, 04:28:36 PM
I don't find it funny at all. The black murder rate in Baltimore as well as other cities is unacceptable.

This unacceptable as well .....


(http://images.dailykos.com/images/146214/large/Screenshot_2015-06-01_10.31.18.png?1433169330)

...but you  and O'Reilly keep trying to change the subject.
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Bison66 on June 09, 2015, 11:01:04 AM
43 Black Murders in Baltimore.....Six teens shot this weekend.....This black on black murder and shootings.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bs-md-ci-shootings-20150607-story.html

How many blacks were killed by the police in Baltimore for 2015?

One unjustified police killing was too many. ::)  So are the black on black crimes.  Police are suppose to be better than the criminals, you know "protect and serve"   

What if anything do you want to share (so we can learn from you) which will help eradicate black on black crime. Or is all you do is bitch about it when you are trying to make a republican talking point?????

Get outta my head, Que82!!!!

EXACTLY!!!!

And THANKS to Wildman for driving the main point home!
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Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: oldsport on June 09, 2015, 11:32:45 AM
43 Black Murders in Baltimore.....Six teens shot this weekend.....This black on black murder and shootings.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bs-md-ci-shootings-20150607-story.html

How many blacks were killed by the police in Baltimore for 2015?

One unjustified police killing was too many. ::)  So are the black on black crimes.  Police are suppose to be better than the criminals, you know "protect and serve"   

What if anything do you want to share (so we can learn from you) which will help eradicate black on black crime. Or is all you do is bitch about it when you are trying to make a republican talking point?????

Get outta my head, Que82!!!!

EXACTLY!!!!

And THANKS to Wildman for driving the main point home!
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There was only one perfect person who came to earth. Again, stacked against all the black on black killings and murder, events involving policeman killing blacks is a anomaly. I stand by my statement. (By the way, I just posted a thread about the latest 3 murders in Baltimore - 13 in the past 8 days. 43 since Freddie Grays death...stack that against IF THE POLICE WERE REALLY ACTUALLY COMPLICIT IN FREDDIE GRAYS DEATH AS CHARGED.
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Bison66 on June 09, 2015, 11:44:54 AM
Quote:
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IF THE POLICE WERE REALLY ACTUALLY COMPLICIT IN FREDDIE GRAYS DEATH AS CHARGED.

What is YOUR theory of the cause of Freddie Gray's death?

You can give the benefit of the doubt to ANY cop, but never to an ordinary Black person because apparently you have been trained to see no value in the lives of Black folks.
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Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: oldsport on June 09, 2015, 12:48:29 PM
Quote:
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IF THE POLICE WERE REALLY ACTUALLY COMPLICIT IN FREDDIE GRAYS DEATH AS CHARGED.

What is YOUR theory of the cause of Freddie Gray's death?

You can give the benefit of the doubt to ANY cop, but never to an ordinary Black person because apparently you have been trained to see no value in the lives of Black folks.
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I don't have a theory as to who (if anyone) or what caused his death. That's what the trial will determine. Our system is a person is assumed innocent until proven guilty. It seems you want it the other way around. I haven't been trained to make the kind of assumptions you seem to want to make.

Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: ‘87 Alum on June 09, 2015, 12:49:59 PM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/57/89/ed/5789edad645cfaf22c536a6cd92045cf.jpg) (http://www.thistangledweb.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/522203_387048074670729_337796209595916_1071992_1184666677_n.jpg)

(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/3466244/sexual-chocolate-o.gif)

I don't find it funny at all. The black murder rate in Baltimore as well as other cities is unacceptable.

Who said anything about it being funny?  Freudian slip on your part perhaps?  Or maybe, just maybe, the Tutu quote resonated and reverberated clearly and loudly, huh.....
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: oldsport on June 09, 2015, 12:52:31 PM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/57/89/ed/5789edad645cfaf22c536a6cd92045cf.jpg) (http://www.thistangledweb.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/522203_387048074670729_337796209595916_1071992_1184666677_n.jpg)

(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/3466244/sexual-chocolate-o.gif)

I don't find it funny at all. The black murder rate in Baltimore as well as other cities is unacceptable.

Who said anything about it being funny?  Freudian slip on your part perhaps?  Or maybe, just maybe, the Tutu quote resonated and reverberated clearly and loudly, huh.....

87, what's wrong with you?
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: ‘87 Alum on June 09, 2015, 12:57:24 PM
Better question, what's RIGHT with you?
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: oldsport on June 09, 2015, 12:59:15 PM
Better question, what's RIGHT with you?

You have anything to really contribute to this thread so why don't you move along?
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Bison66 on June 10, 2015, 12:26:30 AM
Quote:
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IF THE POLICE WERE REALLY ACTUALLY COMPLICIT IN FREDDIE GRAYS DEATH AS CHARGED.

What is YOUR theory of the cause of Freddie Gray's death?

You can give the benefit of the doubt to ANY cop, but never to an ordinary Black person because apparently you have been trained to see no value in the lives of Black folks.
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I don't have a theory as to who (if anyone) or what caused his death. That's what the trial will determine. Our system is a person is assumed innocent until proven guilty. It seems you want it the other way around. I haven't been trained to make the kind of assumptions you seem to want to make.

You're a damn liar!
You make assumptions of Black people's guilt all the time.
Usually you pull out this legal BS ONLY when white people's serious misbehavior is on display.

This is NOT a court of law, so your "point" about innocent until proven guilty is COMPLETELY MOOT.  You're just dodging inconvenient facts.

Fact is you cannot think your way thru any explanation for the fact that a young man who was able to walk before being put in police CUSTODY, ended up with his spine crushed or broken in more than one place while still in police CUSTODY.  And died from his injuries.

EVEN O'Reilly said that was wrong.
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Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: oldsport on June 10, 2015, 08:31:45 AM
Quote:
Quote
IF THE POLICE WERE REALLY ACTUALLY COMPLICIT IN FREDDIE GRAYS DEATH AS CHARGED.

What is YOUR theory of the cause of Freddie Gray's death?

You can give the benefit of the doubt to ANY cop, but never to an ordinary Black person because apparently you have been trained to see no value in the lives of Black folks.
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I don't have a theory as to who (if anyone) or what caused his death. That's what the trial will determine. Our system is a person is assumed innocent until proven guilty. It seems you want it the other way around. I haven't been trained to make the kind of assumptions you seem to want to make.

You're a damn liar!
You make assumptions of Black people's guilt all the time.
Usually you pull out this legal BS ONLY when white people's serious misbehavior is on display.

This is NOT a court of law, so your "point" about innocent until proven guilty is COMPLETELY MOOT.  You're just dodging inconvenient facts.

Fact is you cannot think your way thru any explanation for the fact that a young man who was able to walk before being put in police CUSTODY, ended up with his spine crushed or broken in more than one place while still in police CUSTODY.  And died from his injuries.

EVEN O'Reilly said that was wrong.
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Wrong. No, you folk jump to conclusions against white folk all the time then have to walk it back when the facts and evidence come to light.
Title: Re: THE GARNER AND BROWN INCIDENT ARE ANOMALIES AND UNFORTUNATE - BUT.....
Post by: Bison66 on June 10, 2015, 01:03:36 PM
Once again....

Olds..t throws up a red herring (about the legal system)...

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4LnvWHL_His/VMT9iyadTEI/AAAAAAAAC9s/PbeDPHurD6I/s1600/RED%2BHERRING.png)

...when that wasn't the issue.  Confronted about that fallacy he THEN shifted gears by UNsuccessfully trying to hide his ignominy by HYPOCRITICALLY LYING again by saying he doesn't draw conclusions prior to all the facts being available.  And  :lmao: accusing others of doing so!!!!

Olds..t CONSISTENTLY draws conclusions without all the facts - AND ALWAYS TO THE BENEFIT OF WHITES if there is a controversy/conflict between Blacks and whites.

For example, he recently asserted that the police in Bmore had been thrown under the bus, but provided no evidence for it (and it CERTAINLY had not been adjudicated!!!!) and when challenged to EXPLAIN his position,...he ran away because he was UNABLE to do so.  In fact, it could be persuasively argued that it is the Black community that was THROWN UNDER THE BUS by the police, who are not upholding their oath.  (Notice that he refuses to address that....)

His is a mind of the sickest kind, but one thing you can say for sure:  Olds..t provides free comedic relief from the serious issues of the day.  This is probably what was being referred to re: how he could benefit this group.

Here's his most recent selfie:
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSoYi-pWFxA6ZELAzhp15VZfRd5aUSceyQ_GAMCV9lQID8U7EqZ-g)

Too bad he's too sick & sad to be funny!
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