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Title: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: 81alphaeagle on March 03, 2014, 05:43:30 PM
Rumor has it that NCCU had over $200,000 in surplus band scholarships.  This was money not given out.  Not used.  If true that could have supported an additional 50 band members or more.  
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: The Sloping Hills and Verdent Green on March 03, 2014, 11:06:21 PM
I heard that the new Music Department Chairperson passed this information to the NCCU alumni at the January 2014 National Alumni Council meeting.  Why have we been misled to believe that there was no money for band scholarships, travel, uniforms, instruments, etc?
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: eagle pride on March 03, 2014, 11:22:06 PM
Did the music department freeze it?  Why are people trying to make it so hard for Mr. Reid to be successful?  :shrug:
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: 81alphaeagle on March 03, 2014, 11:23:58 PM
Did the music department freeze it?  Why are people trying to make it so hard for Mr. Reid to be successful?  :shrug:
From what I understand, your beloved band director just didn't use the money.
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: eagle pride on March 03, 2014, 11:36:34 PM
Did the music department freeze it?  Why are people trying to make it so hard for Mr. Reid to be successful?  :shrug:
From what I understand, your beloved band director just didn't use the money.



It has to be more than that.  Sabotage maybe? :shrug:  He could not have known that money was there. 
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: Bro. Askia Musa Afiba on March 04, 2014, 04:21:27 AM
Did the music department freeze it?  Why are people trying to make it so hard for Mr. Reid to be successful?  :shrug:
From what I understand, your beloved band director just didn't use the money.

Did the music department freeze it?  Why are people trying to make it so hard for Mr. Reid to be successful?  :shrug:
From what I understand, your beloved band director just didn't use the money.

To Whom If May Concern:

That is a Damn Lie. Who ever has told you all that type of very false information is doing everyone a very unkind disservice.

Why don't you ask the New Music Chair why he is doing so many foolish things that are not moving the total NCCU Music program forward and why morale is at its lowest point in years, with many faculty members and students, within the total music Department, under his current leadership, instead of trying to make the Director of the Marching Band the blame?

The Band Director can not use budgeted funding (including scholarships, travel and equipment repair) without prior approval from the music chair and other senior officials. Why don't you all ask the music Chair and other administrators how that works, especially since they are the ones cutting the Band Director's much needed Budget anyway.

Some of you should have been at the Last NCCU Alumni Council Meeting and you all could have asked the New Music Chair about many of your concerns, rumors you have heard or just how things are suppose to work under the new music chair's management.

The Band Director does not have direct control over his own budget anymore. If he did, things would have been very different, especially regarding Band travel and other functions that the Band needs to do, to grow again.

Maybe many of you needed to ask other questions of concern, such as the current proposal regarding taking away the New Band Room from the Marching Band and making that current facility into a so called "One Stop" Student Registration Center for alleged enrollment services and other non Band Growth Ideas, that is further placing the NCCU Band Program Backwards.

It seems to me that instead of taking away the new Band Room away from the current Marching Band, for a registration Center for more students to stand in line for services is not the answer to that type of enrollment problem. It seems to me and most of the other students that new types of effective on line computer program services would be best to expedite those type of growing needs, regarding better student coordination of admissions, housing, financial aid and class course selection during registration. I just use this one proposal as an example of some things that are driving a lot of folks crazy within the Band program.

Had any of you been at the last Durham Chapter, NCCU Alumni Association Meeting last Thursday, you would have heard that proposal confirmed from the New Provost himself, regarding such unwise (in my personal opinion) ideas that only serves to make the Band program even worse. Why Did the New Provost confirmed that the plan is on the table, is because I asked the question. Same type questions of concern were also asked the Music Chair during the last Alumni Council Meeting. If any of you were there, you would have also heard some of his answers regarding other questions of concern. :no:

Some of you who come on this board, are talking all of this foolishness without much of the facts before you speak. That is very disappointing.  :shrug:

Well my friends, I invite that you all ask the folks in charge, like that new Music Chair and other senior NCCU Administrators, such as the Dean, Music Chair and the Provost and see what they will dare tell you to your face.

I have not heard so much foolishness and false information put out here since some senior administrators put out some wrong information to the Durham newspaper last fall.

Ask the Music Chair who will control the future distribution of any future Marching Band and other student Scholarship Assistance and get back with me with what he tells you. :brickwall:

Folks need to have all of the facts, and back up their hearsay before they put out more false information and rumors out here. That type of mean-spirited foolishness is not fair to our Band Students, who continue to serve NCCU via their membership in the Band.

Someone better start asking the Music Chair and other Administrators where the money is coming from, for the upcoming needed MEAC Tournament Pep Band Travel, Lodging and Food expenditures, if the Band Director is not allegedly using the financial resources for needed Band services.  

I can not believe that folks are saying such foolish things.

Take care!
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: The Sloping Hills and Verdent Green on March 04, 2014, 10:59:59 AM
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Some of you should have been at the Last NCCU Alumni Council Meeting and you all could have asked the New Music Chair about many of your concerns, rumors you have heard or just how things are suppose to work under the new music chair's management.

Askia,

Did you attend the January alumni council meeting?  If so did you ask him the questions you posted?   At the last meeting of the Greensboro Chapter of the NCCU Alumni Assoc it was reported by our reps that this was said by the Music Department Chair.  Are you saying that the Music Department Chair lied to the alumni?   ???    :shrug:
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: Bro. Askia Musa Afiba on March 04, 2014, 01:28:00 PM
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Some of you should have been at the Last NCCU Alumni Council Meeting and you all could have asked the New Music Chair about many of your concerns, rumors you have heard or just how things are suppose to work under the new music chair's management.

Askia,

Did you attend the January alumni council meeting?  If so did you ask him the questions you posted?   At the last meeting of the Greensboro Chapter of the NCCU Alumni Assoc it was reported by our reps that this was said by the Music Department Chair.  Are you saying that the Music Department Chair lied to the alumni?   ???    :shrug:

Yes I did and so did other Sound Machine Booster Club Members.

We also asked the Provost about the proposed Removal of the current New Marching Band Room Space, as well, at the Durham Chapter Alumni Meeting last month. He admitted that proposal was on the table, but has only been on the staff for about 3 weeks. Hopefully, the powers that be at NCCU will revisit that current proposal for additional consideration. I really do hope so because the students are very disappointed regarding moving backwards.

As for as the Music Chair being possibly confused and saying different things to different folks, is a matter of interpretation within his own mind, I guess. Who knows?  The only thing that is certain lately, is that Band Funding Goes Nowhere without his (Music Chair) personal approval.

Apparently, he must have been just as confused at your Greensboro Chapter Meeting as were his confused statements to the Durham Sun Newspaper last fall. Bottom line was that the Band did not travel. Yes, strange confusion is more than an understatement since he has been in charge of things so far.  :brickwall: :shrug: :no: :shrug:

Take care!
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: 81alphaeagle on March 04, 2014, 02:30:48 PM
I only read one instance where there was a reduction of expenses for the band.  There appeared to be a 50K reduction operating expenses.  If there are few students from previous years then it would be appropriate for there to be fund left over.
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: Bro. Askia Musa Afiba on March 04, 2014, 04:08:50 PM
81alphaeagle

Respectfully: If all of this alleged left-over cash, intended for scholarships were available for Marching Band, Pep Band, Wind Symphony and Symphonic Band, as you claim, from your sources, why hasn't the Music Department Chair released it for distribution to the Band Director for recruitment and other student academic needs within the band?  :brickwall:

As I said before, funding allocation management and approval start from the top down via the Music Chair and other senior Administrators. It is not the Band Director's fault if he requests many funding allocations for scholarships, operations, travel and recruitment and is denied by his senior management and administrators several times over the last few years or so.  :no:

If the amount of Scholarship and operations money is truly available in the budget, and not confused with Title III funds for salaries and other educational mandated use, why hasn't the Music Chair made it available? Remember he (Music Chair) confused some of the Title III salary funding with other mandated use, back in the last fall newspaper article and made it appear to be more of an inflated available funding budget to the Band than it truly was, in my very personal opinion.  :shrug:

It seems to me that the Music Chair is saying so many different things to the Alumni all over the place regarding the Marching Band, as Sloping Hills has claimed. Wouldn't it clear up much of the confusion, if the Music Chair just Invited the Band Director to come along with him, when he is saying those things? Seems simple to me. The Athletics Director invites her Coaching Staff to come along all of the time, to speak with our Alumni. Why won't the Music Chair do the same, when he speaks on such issues?

Take Care!
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: eagle pride on March 04, 2014, 06:08:26 PM
Why is it that Mr. Reid is having problems getting money to properly opporate a successful band program?  Why are we our worst enemies? :shrug:  I wonder if Mr. Reid start saying what is going on, will he lose his job?  All this finger pointing must stop. 
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: The Sloping Hills and Verdent Green on March 04, 2014, 07:33:26 PM
Askia,

Please read and conprehend what I posted before you reply.  I did not state that the new Music Department char came to our meeting here in Greensboro.  I posted that the reps from Greensboro (who attended the National Council meeting) reported this back to us at our last meeting in February.
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: Bro. Askia Musa Afiba on March 04, 2014, 07:49:21 PM
Eagle Pride:

That is a very good question. Mr. Reid put the program on the map with a little bit of cooperation, faith and vision.

One would think that an HBCU school, that  is now currently looking for ways to increase more needed positive enrollment, pride and enthusiasm  would look for more ways to increase the band numbers, of the largest student organization on campus.

Current students will become future alumni who will often remember how they were treated by their school administrators when they were students, and some will remember by how they will give back.

Sometimes, the wrong administrators in the wrong place at the wrong time, can destroy what it took 10 years to build, in only a couple of years.

Hopefully, NCCU will get back on the correct page and allow the Band Director to do his job with a little bit of support that he use to get. He has shown that he can do some outstanding things when he gets that support.

I don't know about some people, but that young man who is our Band Director and our Students have my support.

Take Care!
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: 81alphaeagle on March 04, 2014, 07:56:44 PM
Eagle Pride:

That is a very good question. Mr. Reid put the program on the map with a little bit of cooperation, faith and vision.

One would think that an HBCU school, that  is now currently looking for ways to increase more needed positive enrollment, pride and enthusiasm  would look for more ways to increase the band numbers, of the largest student organization on campus.

Current students will become future alumni who will often remember how they were treated by their school administrators when they were students, and some will remember by how they will give back.

Sometimes, the wrong administrators in the wrong place at the wrong time, can destroy what it took 10 years to build, in only a couple of years.

Hopefully, NCCU will get back on the correct page and allow the Band Director to do his job with a little bit of support that he use to get. He has shown that he can do some outstanding things when he gets that support.

I don't know about some people, but that young man who is our Band Director and our Students have my support.

Take Care!
I know of current students who refuse to be in the band because of current leadership.  First hand knowledge.

What is the budget for the band?  What is it this year compared to previous years? 

If things are going so daym well why have our half-time shows gotten worse since the Rose Bowl?  What is the constant factor?  Rome is gone. 

Please provide us some data.
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: Bro. Askia Musa Afiba on March 04, 2014, 08:31:31 PM
Askia,

Please read and conprehend what I posted before you reply.  I did not state that the new Music Department char came to our meeting here in Greensboro.  I posted that the reps from Greensboro (who attended the National Council meeting) reported this back to us at our last meeting in February.

Sloping Hills

If the Musical Chair had said anything close to saying that there was $200,000 of available Scholarship Money available to the Marching Band that was not being used or words to that affect in that Council Meeting, don't you think the different members of our Sound Machine Booster Club Group would have heard it and questioned him on it.

He spoke on Band Reductions around the country and cited an example of a Marching Band in Florida that was disbanded all together. He spoke on the total Music Department, including the Choir, Jazz Band and other musical ensembles as a total unit, with the hope of having some scholarship assistance. He advised that he would make it a priority to make sure funding would be available for Marching Band trips to NCA&T and the Washington DC area in the future. He advised that the Band Director was doing a good job with the Band. He answered questions regarding future Jazz Band appearances, from those who wanted to have Jazz Band Appearances surrounding some of their Alumni Chapter functions.

The Music Chair was asked about future growth of the Marching Band and reminded that less than 5% of the total Marching Band's membership were volunteer non-music majors students who needed more financial support to continue to be attractive to the Band. He was encouraged to have university faculty members to become more supportive of those students who wanted to play in the band and not discourage those students from not participating.

So, I don't know where this alleged $200,000 of unused Scholarship money for the Marching Band, Pep Band and symphonic and wind symphony Band is coming from, because he said no such thing during his Alumni Council presentation.

Folks need to understand that there is a total difference of amount of music scholarship dollars available, when we are talking about all of the total budgeted musical ensembles and not just the Marching Band.

Perhaps everyone did not understand the total make-up of the Department of music and how the Marching Band - Pep Band and Symphonic Band play in the distribution of funding and budget.

Take care!
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: Bro. Askia Musa Afiba on March 04, 2014, 08:56:43 PM
Eagle Pride:

That is a very good question. Mr. Reid put the program on the map with a little bit of cooperation, faith and vision.

One would think that an HBCU school, that  is now currently looking for ways to increase more needed positive enrollment, pride and enthusiasm  would look for more ways to increase the band numbers, of the largest student organization on campus.

Current students will become future alumni who will often remember how they were treated by their school administrators when they were students, and some will remember by how they will give back.

Sometimes, the wrong administrators in the wrong place at the wrong time, can destroy what it took 10 years to build, in only a couple of years.

Hopefully, NCCU will get back on the correct page and allow the Band Director to do his job with a little bit of support that he use to get. He has shown that he can do some outstanding things when he gets that support.

I don't know about some people, but that young man who is our Band Director and our Students have my support.

Take Care!
I know of current students who refuse to be in the band because of current leadership.  First hand knowledge.

What is the budget for the band?  What is it this year compared to previous years?  

If things are going so daym well why have our half-time shows gotten worse since the Rose Bowl?  What is the constant factor?  Rome is gone.  

Please provide us some data.

81alphaeagle

You post all of this rumor foolishness all of the time that does not have merit. Like it or not, if the funds and scholarships are not there, the top quality student musician brass players are not going to play for you. Here again, very simple. If the Band does not travel, students will not want to play for that band. If administrators and non music faculty do not support the students and encourage Band participation, quality numbers drop.

You have just as much right to ask NCCU senior administrators regarding the total numbers as I do, including the Band Director himself. I suggest you ask them how that works. Email, phone calls and direct appointments with administrators are available upon request, to you as anyone else. That Band Room location is at the same place next to the Stadium (for now). The next time you are in town, maybe you should ask the Band Director and other Administrators yourself, since you are unhappy with what I have been saying for the last couple of years or so.

It is what it is for now. The only thing I can do is my little volunteer and financial part and be as supportive as I can, regarding Our Band Students and The Director.

Take Care!
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: 81alphaeagle on March 04, 2014, 09:39:59 PM
Eagle Pride:

That is a very good question. Mr. Reid put the program on the map with a little bit of cooperation, faith and vision.

One would think that an HBCU school, that  is now currently looking for ways to increase more needed positive enrollment, pride and enthusiasm  would look for more ways to increase the band numbers, of the largest student organization on campus.

Current students will become future alumni who will often remember how they were treated by their school administrators when they were students, and some will remember by how they will give back.

Sometimes, the wrong administrators in the wrong place at the wrong time, can destroy what it took 10 years to build, in only a couple of years.

Hopefully, NCCU will get back on the correct page and allow the Band Director to do his job with a little bit of support that he use to get. He has shown that he can do some outstanding things when he gets that support.

I don't know about some people, but that young man who is our Band Director and our Students have my support.

Take Care!
I know of current students who refuse to be in the band because of current leadership.  First hand knowledge.

What is the budget for the band?  What is it this year compared to previous years?  

If things are going so daym well why have our half-time shows gotten worse since the Rose Bowl?  What is the constant factor?  Rome is gone.  

Please provide us some data.

81alphaeagle

You post all of this rumor foolishness all of the time that does not have merit. Like it or not, if the funds and scholarships are not there, the top quality student musician brass players are not going to play for you. Here again, very simple. If the Band does not travel, students will not want to play for that band. If administrators and non music faculty do not support the students and encourage Band participation, quality numbers drop.

You have just as much right to ask NCCU senior administrators regarding the total numbers as I do, including the Band Director himself. I suggest you ask them how that works. Email, phone calls and direct appointments with administrators are available upon request, to you as anyone else. That Band Room location is at the same place next to the Stadium (for now). The next time you are in town, maybe you should ask the Band Director and other Administrators yourself, since you are unhappy with what I have been saying for the last couple of years or so.

It is what it is for now. The only thing I can do is my little volunteer and financial part and be as supportive as I can, regarding Our Band Students and The Director.

Take Care!
Why is it that when folks post stuff asking for info, or stating facts that they are aware of you call it foolish?  I know of three current NCCU students that refuse to play in the band. 

Also, when someone disagrees with you or post contrary information, they are lying.  I have not said a daym thing about the location of the past, present or future band room.  All, I know is if the current band leadership continues to not bring in band members, the few that we have left can practice in my living room.

Also, if the information being put out by the folk in the music department is not correct, maybe you should write the Chancellor and tell her to tell the music folk to stop lying.

BTW, if you are satisfied with the current state of affairs of the band so be it. 

Finally, I am still waiting for the band budget from last year that folk you to provide.

Now this is my final statement, no one has posted more rumor about the leadership of the music department and other NCCU personnel than you have.  In your above post, look at the rumors you put out without proof.  You only give your opinion, which seems to be whatever the band director wants.
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: Bro. Askia Musa Afiba on March 05, 2014, 01:50:29 AM
Rumor has it that NCCU had over $200,000 in surplus band scholarships.  This was money not given out.  Not used.  If true that could have supported an additional 50 band members or more.  

81alphaeagle

First of all, it was you who started this post, talking about the above stated rumor. Those were your words and not mine.

Next, perhaps I should not have  used the term "rumor foolishness" for which I sincerely regret and sincerely apologize, if you feel one is warranted. It was fair to note your objections.

I do believe that we both sincerely Love NCCU and sincerely only want an excellent Band Program for our University, Students, Fans and Alumni. Yes, I believe that both of us are very frustrated regarding the current Marching Band Numbers at this point and time. Both of us want this situation appropriately fixed as soon as possible.

Where we both respectfully differ are with the facts that have caused the current decline in our quality band student numbers, within our Marching Band.

You have stated your concerns and I have stated my views regarding the problems that have led to the current situation.

On some of the facts, we will have to respectfully disagree on, until some of those issues are resolved. I personally believe that those issues can and will be resolved along with appropriate quality numbers recruited back into the Marching Band again, soon.

Thank You for your comments and concern regarding our Band students.

Take care!  
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: WileECoyote06 on March 05, 2014, 08:20:08 AM
Eagle Pride:

That is a very good question. Mr. Reid put the program on the map with a little bit of cooperation, faith and vision.

One would think that an HBCU school, that  is now currently looking for ways to increase more needed positive enrollment, pride and enthusiasm  would look for more ways to increase the band numbers, of the largest student organization on campus.

Current students will become future alumni who will often remember how they were treated by their school administrators when they were students, and some will remember by how they will give back.

Sometimes, the wrong administrators in the wrong place at the wrong time, can destroy what it took 10 years to build, in only a couple of years.


Hopefully, NCCU will get back on the correct page and allow the Band Director to do his job with a little bit of support that he use to get. He has shown that he can do some outstanding things when he gets that support.

I don't know about some people, but that young man who is our Band Director and our Students have my support.

Take Care!

This is true.   And it's true for more than just  band. 
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: eagle pride on March 05, 2014, 11:55:01 AM
Some really do not understand building a band program at an HBCU.  I noticed the band's sound at the beginning and end and it had greatly improved.  Reid had to work with low skilled musicians, but turned them into good musicians. Next year things should start a lot better. I just wish the band learn to play the game like BCU's band.   
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: Bro. Askia Musa Afiba on March 06, 2014, 11:16:24 AM
WileECoyote06 and Eagle Pride

Thank You for the Support of our NCCU Students and Our Band Program.

Take care!
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: 81alphaeagle on March 06, 2014, 01:45:26 PM
We all understand what is happening.  We can see also.  We have friends and relatives who have kids in the band and who have dropped out of the band for reasons.  We see the product on the field. We hear the product.   We compare pre and post Rose Bowl performances.  We know what administrators have reported and what some posted on line.  

Don't sell folk short.  
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: Bro. Askia Musa Afiba on March 06, 2014, 07:30:55 PM
81alphaeagle

Thank You for your Support and Concern For Our Band Students and Program.

From: 2 Timothy 2:23-25 - English Standard Version (ESV)

23 Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels. 24 And the Lord's servant[a] must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, 25 correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth,

Take Care
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: 81alphaeagle on March 08, 2014, 11:33:37 PM

Ephesians 5:6
“Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.”
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: Bro. Askia Musa Afiba on March 09, 2014, 12:49:01 AM
81alphaeagle

Exodus 23:1  

“You shall not spread a false report. You shall not join hands with a wicked man to be a malicious witness


James 4:1-2  

What causes quarrels and what causes fights among you? Is it not this, that your passions are at war within you? You desire and do not have, so you murder. You covet and cannot obtain, so you fight and quarrel. You do not have, because you do not ask.
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: eagle pride on March 09, 2014, 08:41:41 PM
You mean to tell me that funding can be cut to about nothing and the band should remain the same?  Trust me, Reid performed miracles with what he had.  Who can build a band program that can't travel to out of town games? :shrug:  Reid barely had enough to clean the instruments.  :no:  It is time to put the blame where it belongs.  On a good note, whatever was the problems this past band season can be fixed.  We just need folks to humble themselves in order to move forward.
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: 81alphaeagle on March 09, 2014, 09:43:07 PM
You mean to tell me that funding can be cut to about nothing and the band should remain the same?  Trust me, Reid performed miracles with what he had.  Who can build a band program that can't travel to out of town games? :shrug:  Reid barely had enough to clean the instruments.  :no:  It is time to put the blame where it belongs.  On a good note, whatever was the problems this past band season can be fixed.  We just need folks to humble themselves in order to move forward.

Please present some data.  You and AMA have never presented data and numbers.  And when someone does report that 200K was left unspent, they are spreading lies and rumors.

BTW, all budgets on all campuses in the state of NC were cut.
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: Bro. Askia Musa Afiba on March 09, 2014, 10:17:05 PM
Posted by: 81alphaeagle
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Please present some data.  You and AMA have never presented data and numbers.  And when someone does report that 200K was left unspent, they are spreading lies and rumors.

81alphaeagle

For anyone who would dare to suggest (via Rumor or otherwise) that any 200K that was allegedly available to the NCCU Division of Bands (Marching Band, Pep Band and symphonic Bands) and not spent on appropriate Band Needs, by the Band Director, without any evidence of the aforementioned claim, is at best, less than creditable in my opinion. I am sure that if you or anyone else had ANY written proof, other than hearsay from some unnamed source, you would have produced it, for all of us to see for ourselves, long ago. Isn't that right?

I am not sure what type of ax you personally have to grind against the Band Program for some unknown reason. But, I just wish you would let it go or personally discuss your concerns  with the Band Director himself (written or in person), what your issues and suggestions are. That action would be the best action for everyone, that would be the most fair and accurate to set this issue to rest, instead of posting rumors that have never been substantiated in any creditable manner that I personally know of. 

Anyway, we wish blessings upon you and yours. Thank You for your concern regarding the NCCU Band Program.

Take Care!
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: eagle pride on March 09, 2014, 11:10:42 PM
81, they may have given the music department $200,000 or so, but the department did not allow the band to use it.  Why would Mr. Reid not use the money? :shrug:  Why would he not want to travel to away games? :shrug:  I don't think you understand the protocol Reid has to go through in order to get money for the band.  Seems like everything is going back to the head of the Music Department if you ask me.
 
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: Bro. Askia Musa Afiba on March 09, 2014, 11:24:26 PM
81, they may have given the music department $200,000 or so, but the department did not allow the band to use it.  Why would Mr. Reid not use the money? :shrug:  Why would he not want to travel to away games? :shrug:  I don't think you understand the protocol Reid has to go through in order to get money for the band.  Seems like everything is going back to the head of the Music Department if you ask me.
  

Exactly!

Mr. Reid does NOT have any direct control of what he is able to spend on anything without senior Administrative Management approval from the Music Department, since the Band has been move for direct Music Department management supervision, instead of direct Department Management from Student Affairs. That is no secret.

Anyway, the Band Program will find a way!!!

Take care!
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: The Sloping Hills and Verdent Green on March 10, 2014, 01:44:34 AM
Let me say this again.  Three alumns from Greensboro were at the January 2014 National Alumni Council meeting.  All 3 of them stated that the new Music Department Chairman told the alumni at the meeting that $200,000 was not spent this year on scholarships.  I find it hard to believe that 3 people would misunderstood what he said.  One of these persons is on the BOT.  I would trust his knowledge and access to information more than hersay from members of the band boosters.
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: Bro. Askia Musa Afiba on March 10, 2014, 09:14:53 AM
Sloping Hills

Let me say this again as well. The total Band Budget (Marching Band, Pep Band, Symphonic Band and Wind Symphony) is only a little bit over $200.000 per year for everything, including Scholarships, Operations, Recruitment, Travel, Uniform upkeep and replacement, and Instrument repair and replacement. The Band Director does not have unilateral direct control over how he spends his budget, without direct approval from the Music Chair.

The Music Chair spoke on the total amount of available funding regarding the total music Department and not just the Division of Bands, which is under the control of the Director of Bands.

There are other Musical Ensembles (Not controlled by the Director of Bands) that make up the total Music Department's budget, which includes the Jazz Band Ensembles, Jazz Vocal Ensemble, Jazz Combos, Operatorio Performance Ensemble, Handbell Choir, Guitar Ensemble, Chamber Ensemble, University Choir, Gospel Choir and others.

He spoke of the hope to have scholarship money available to help fund all of the aforementioned Musical Ensembles and not just the Band. He never said what the scholarship amount was, that is allotted directly for the Division of Bands nor did he break down the exact amounts for the other Muisical Ensembles, including the Jazz Band and Jazz Vocal Ensemble , which are not under the control of the Director of Bands.

Again, I did NOT hear the Music Chair speak on any Scholarship money not being spent by the Division of Bands under the control of the Director of Bands, as was alleged in the post via the topic of this thread.  :no: :shrug: :no:

Somehow, folks are getting some things confused and leaving some things out from his aforementioned presentation. Sometimes, people forget that the total Music Department consists of more than just the Marching Band.  :brickwall:  

Take care!
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: 81alphaeagle on March 10, 2014, 12:05:11 PM
81, they may have given the music department $200,000 or so, but the department did not allow the band to use it.  Why would Mr. Reid not use the money? :shrug:  Why would he not want to travel to away games? :shrug:  I don't think you understand the protocol Reid has to go through in order to get money for the band.  Seems like everything is going back to the head of the Music Department if you ask me.
  

Exactly!

Mr. Reid does NOT have any direct control of what he is able to spend on anything without senior Administrative Management approval from the Music Department, since the Band has been move for direct Music Department management supervision, instead of direct Department Management from Student Affairs. That is no secret.

Anyway, the Band Program will find a way!!!

Take care!
I have taken your advice and asked senior level administrators about issues regarding the band.  I will end my participation in this discussion by saying that things are not as they are being presented on this board.  I received confirmation of what I was previously told regarding some issues.

But I did take your advice and ask.  Some of us need to stop blaming higher level academic leaders for current failures.

Take Care.
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: eagle pride on March 10, 2014, 01:04:39 PM
81, they may have given the music department $200,000 or so, but the department did not allow the band to use it.  Why would Mr. Reid not use the money? :shrug:  Why would he not want to travel to away games? :shrug:  I don't think you understand the protocol Reid has to go through in order to get money for the band.  Seems like everything is going back to the head of the Music Department if you ask me.
  

Exactly!

Mr. Reid does NOT have any direct control of what he is able to spend on anything without senior Administrative Management approval from the Music Department, since the Band has been move for direct Music Department management supervision, instead of direct Department Management from Student Affairs. That is no secret.

Anyway, the Band Program will find a way!!!

Take care!
I have taken your advice and asked senior level administrators about issues regarding the band.  I will end my participation in this discussion by saying that things are not as they are being presented on this board.  I received confirmation of what I was previously told regarding some issues.

But I did take your advice and ask.  Some of us need to stop blaming higher level academic leaders for current failures.

Take Care.



Ok.  But remember that we are on the same team.  
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: 81alphaeagle on March 10, 2014, 01:43:49 PM
81, they may have given the music department $200,000 or so, but the department did not allow the band to use it.  Why would Mr. Reid not use the money? :shrug:  Why would he not want to travel to away games? :shrug:  I don't think you understand the protocol Reid has to go through in order to get money for the band.  Seems like everything is going back to the head of the Music Department if you ask me.
  

Exactly!

Mr. Reid does NOT have any direct control of what he is able to spend on anything without senior Administrative Management approval from the Music Department, since the Band has been move for direct Music Department management supervision, instead of direct Department Management from Student Affairs. That is no secret.

Anyway, the Band Program will find a way!!!

Take care!
I have taken your advice and asked senior level administrators about issues regarding the band.  I will end my participation in this discussion by saying that things are not as they are being presented on this board.  I received confirmation of what I was previously told regarding some issues.

But I did take your advice and ask.  Some of us need to stop blaming higher level academic leaders for current failures.

Take Care.



Ok.  But remember that we are on the same team.  
I whole heartedly agree.
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: Bro. Askia Musa Afiba on March 10, 2014, 02:34:11 PM
81, they may have given the music department $200,000 or so, but the department did not allow the band to use it.  Why would Mr. Reid not use the money? :shrug:  Why would he not want to travel to away games? :shrug:  I don't think you understand the protocol Reid has to go through in order to get money for the band.  Seems like everything is going back to the head of the Music Department if you ask me.
  

Exactly!

Mr. Reid does NOT have any direct control of what he is able to spend on anything without senior Administrative Management approval from the Music Department, since the Band has been move for direct Music Department management supervision, instead of direct Department Management from Student Affairs. That is no secret.

Anyway, the Band Program will find a way!!!

Take care!
I have taken your advice and asked senior level administrators about issues regarding the band.  I will end my participation in this discussion by saying that things are not as they are being presented on this board.  I received confirmation of what I was previously told regarding some issues.

But I did take your advice and ask.  Some of us need to stop blaming higher level academic leaders for current failures.

Take Care.

OK, that is fair.

Take care!
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: Thinkingaboutit on March 12, 2014, 08:33:18 AM
If the flagship school of higher education in the state of Tennessee is affected by fiscal issue through reductions in funding for the band, what prevents NCCU from escaping  the same fate. Its everywhere.  AMA you may do more disservice with your knee jerk tirades that end, upon your failures to convince, with scripture quoting ( please don't start laying hands on others)   Stop blaming and pointing fingers.  Where is the  band alumni?  The Chancellor informed us this past fall about  the number of students unable to come back to school last year due to cuts prompting many in attendance to pull out their check books to help.  She later stated that the funds were raised and many of those affected have returned to school for the second semester .  No mention of the band.  I don't blame her because that would not have gone over as well as the same problem within the general student population. Crying WOLF every chance one gets diminishes the effectiveness of your obvious sincerity.   We know there are many issues on the yard bigger than this band thing and being repaired as I write.  Those innuendos stated are not good for NCCU or yourself and those you purport your support.  Our Chancellors plate is full, including your issues, and will be handled in priority relative to urgency affecting our academic mission.    
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: Bro. Askia Musa Afiba on March 12, 2014, 01:30:25 PM
If the flagship school of higher education in the state of Tennessee is affected by fiscal issue through reductions in funding for the band, what prevents NCCU from escaping  the same fate. Its everywhere.  AMA you may do more disservice with your knee jerk tirades that end, upon your failures to convince, with scripture quoting ( please don't start laying hands on others)   Stop blaming and pointing fingers.  Where is the  band alumni?  The Chancellor informed us this past fall about  the number of students unable to come back to school last year due to cuts prompting many in attendance to pull out their check books to help.  She later stated that the funds were raised and many of those affected have returned to school for the second semester .  No mention of the band.  I don't blame her because that would not have gone over as well as the same problem within the general student population. Crying WOLF every chance one gets diminishes the effectiveness of your obvious sincerity.   We know there are many issues on the yard bigger than this band thing and being repaired as I write.  Those innuendos stated are not good for NCCU or yourself and those you purport your support.  Our Chancellors plate is full, including your issues, and will be handled in priority relative to urgency affecting our academic mission.    

Thinkingaboutit

First of all, NCCU is located in the State of North Carolina and not the State of Tennessee. Next, I have a lot of confidence in our new Chancellor. In fact, I talked with her at the Region IV NCCU Alumni Meeting on last Saturday in Fayetteville, NC.

Yes, there are some issues at NCCU and I am sure many of those concerns are getting much needed attention from our Chancellor. Hopefully, the Band will get its needed time soon. Yes, some of those students who needed some financial support to stay or return to school were also some of the members of the Band. So, every little bit helps along the way.

As for my comments regarding the Band, I will continue to offer my personal opinion when the facts are not correct, misleading or rumor.

Take care!
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: Maroon and Gray on March 12, 2014, 03:19:14 PM
".........Why would Mr. Reid not use the money?   

Interviewing for band Director at FAMU is a possible reason.
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: eagle pride on March 12, 2014, 04:52:36 PM
".........Why would Mr. Reid not use the money?   

Interviewing for band Director at FAMU is a possible reason.



Is this what it really is about?  I wonder.  It is time to move on and give him the support that he needs in order to be successful. 
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: Bro. Askia Musa Afiba on March 12, 2014, 07:26:23 PM
".........Why would Mr. Reid not use the money?   

Interviewing for band Director at FAMU is a possible reason.

That Does Not Make any Sense because he turned the job down to stay at NCCU.

We all just need to support the Band Program and our students period. For all of you who do, Thank You and God Bless You!

Take care!
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: Maroon and Gray on March 13, 2014, 12:01:55 AM
".........Why would Mr. Reid not use the money?   

Interviewing for band Director at FAMU is a possible reason.

That Does Not Make any Sense because he turned the job down to stay at NCCU.

We all just need to support the Band Program and our students period. For all of you who do, Thank You and God Bless You!

Take care!


I'm speaking in the context that Jorim was focused on leaving NCCU and not recruiting.
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: Bro. Askia Musa Afiba on March 13, 2014, 12:48:03 AM
".........Why would Mr. Reid not use the money?   

Interviewing for band Director at FAMU is a possible reason.

That Does Not Make any Sense because he turned the job down to stay at NCCU.

We all just need to support the Band Program and our students period. For all of you who do, Thank You and God Bless You!

Take care!


I'm speaking in the context that Jorim was focused on leaving NCCU and not recruiting.

I honestly do not believe that. Here again, it goes back to having enough recruitment money to recruit  quality musicians and enough scholarship money to offer recruits. Folks seem to forget that total recruitment was completely down for last year on all fronts, with one on the smallest freshmen classes admitted into the university in years. Remember, Band Student Scholarships are a long way from full rides. In fact, no where close to the Tuition and Fees (per semester): Undergraduate In-State: $3,450.57 - Undergraduate Out of State: $8,737.07 required to become enrolled nor have I counted the cost for books at about another $500.+ per semester. 

Remember, Band students must come up with most of their college costs via their parents or themselves. Most students at NCCU are on financial aid. When the federal loan credit standards changed last year, it left a lot of students out in the cold and unable to enroll into college, including band students at NCCU as well.

Also, about 95%+ of the students in the band are not music majors in the first place, which also may become a factor in the amount of how much of a small scholarship may be offered after audition to join the band.

So, there are many factors involved, in my personal view.

Take care!
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: eagle pride on March 15, 2014, 01:02:43 AM
The band did a great job supporting the team and cheerleaders during the Norfolk State game.  Way to cheer for those Eagles Sound Machine! :clap:
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: Bro. Askia Musa Afiba on March 15, 2014, 03:26:37 AM
The band did a great job supporting the team and cheerleaders during the Norfolk State game.  Way to cheer for those Eagles Sound Machine! :clap:

(https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/p235x350/1510567_10152305473372792_733389123_n.jpg)

 :nod: :clap: :nod:

As always, I am sure our Band Students Thank You For Your Support, Eagle Pride.

God Bless You!
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: eagle pride on March 16, 2014, 12:59:51 AM
The band did a great job supporting the team and cheerleaders during the Norfolk State game.  Way to cheer for those Eagles Sound Machine! :clap:

(https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/p235x350/1510567_10152305473372792_733389123_n.jpg)

 :nod: :clap: :nod:

As always, I am sure our Band Students Thank You For Your Support, Eagle Pride.

God Bless You!



I am so proud of our band for showing great school spirit throughout the MEAC.  NCCU cheerleaders showed out as well.  I see the other squads took off their bows.  :snicker 
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: Maroon and Gray on March 17, 2014, 09:59:28 AM
The Pep Band did their thing.  Does the NCAA pay for their travel to San Antonio? Cheerleaders?
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: eagle pride on March 18, 2014, 08:48:24 PM
Wishing all Eagles well as they travel to Texas. 
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: Thinkingaboutit on June 03, 2014, 09:49:05 AM
These post are eye openers.    Make a statement or ask a question and one is cursed then quoted the scripture.  Calling out the head of the department with complaints, going to open forums complaining, this is not the way to get things done anywhere on any job.  If the director couldn't control his spokesperson, you got to go.  I'll bet the new one keep his distance or say "I need your help, but don't get on any board speaking for the program".  If you hear a differing view, leave it there and don't escalate with emotions on your shoulders replies which is like throwing gas on a flame, releasing more dirt than you could ever shovel to cover causing person to ask questions and seek information they would not have sough.  Watch the stones you throw and who you throw them toward when your house is made of glass.   Folk are smarter than you think.   :tiptoe: :tiptoe: :tiptoe:.    JORIM REID DID A VERY GOOD JOB AS THE DIRECTOR OF BANDS AT NCCU AND BROUGHT US TO A LEVEL HERETOFORE NOT ACHIEVED BY ANYONE.  That being said by alumni will not retain his position.  AS Coach Stonewall Jackson use to say "  sssssssoooo son, if you gonna complain, DON'T STAY!  you can CUH CUH CUH complain but BE ON YOUR WAY!
Title: Re: NCCU Band Scholarships
Post by: TrueEagle on June 06, 2014, 12:17:08 AM
  AS Coach Stonewall Jackson use to say "  sssssssoooo son, if you gonna complain, DON'T STAY!  you can CUH CUH CUH complain but BE ON YOUR WAY!
Man, whatchu know about Coach Jack?  :lmao: