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Title: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Wildman78 on June 05, 2013, 06:19:07 PM
In the thread titled "u & y, A Young Congressman Rips Barry A New One - Barry Unfit To Command or Lead" Oldsport made the following comments:

 
You better thank God for leftist (socialist/communist) and just plan stupid white Americans for voting for this fraud that sits in the "White" House. God help this nation if it ever turns majority Black or Brown. And you know it K----.


Let's be real....Do you think the structure and accomplishment and success of this country would have been better under a different demographic? If so, tell me how. This is not about white supremacy. This is about reality K----.

[If America turns black or brown] I truly hope I am dead, because the United States of America the nation of liberty, justice and freedom will be over.

http://onnidan1.com/forum/index.php/topic,75657.15.html

That sounds like White people are inherently better than black or brown people.

Can someone else offer a different interpretation.

y04185, you down with Oldsport and these statements?
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Neymar on June 05, 2013, 06:39:09 PM
While I dont agree with oldsport's politics I must say those posts were the first time I was seriously disappointed him.

I dont blame him though. He is simply the product of what the white supremacy power structure can do to a black man.

If you have kids, dont send them to public schools is the important part. You can only combat this early.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: CU1994 on June 05, 2013, 06:45:31 PM
He really let his true thoughts be known. I guess their is no need to argue with someone like that. True self hate.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Wildman78 on June 05, 2013, 07:38:26 PM
While I dont agree with oldsport's politics I must say those posts were the first time I was seriously disappointed him.

I dont blame him though. He is simply the product of what the white supremacy power structure can do to a black man.

If you have kids, dont send them to public schools is the important part. You can only combat this early.

Plenty of Black folk that have attended public schools who don't subscribe to Oldsport's views and have deep pride in their race and/or African-American ancestry.

Neymar, you often paint with a broad brush.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Neymar on June 05, 2013, 08:13:15 PM
While I dont agree with oldsport's politics I must say those posts were the first time I was seriously disappointed him.

I dont blame him though. He is simply the product of what the white supremacy power structure can do to a black man.

If you have kids, dont send them to public schools is the important part. You can only combat this early.

Plenty of Black folk that have attended public schools who don't subscribe to Oldsport's views and have deep pride in their race and/or African-American ancestry.

Neymar, you often paint with a broad brush.

Can some kids overcome the conditioning? Yes, but its just much easier not to subject them to it in the first place.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: FunCkMaster on June 05, 2013, 08:18:39 PM


Neymar, you often paint with a broad brush.
:nod:
Sometimes he paints with a mop..
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Que82 on June 05, 2013, 08:21:31 PM


Neymar, you often paint with a broad brush.
:nod:
Sometimes he paints with a mop..

 :lmao:
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Bison66 on June 05, 2013, 11:36:02 PM
In the thread titled "u & y, A Young Congressman Rips Barry A New One - Barry Unfit To Command or Lead" Oldsport made the following comments:

 
You better thank God for leftist (socialist/communist) and just plan stupid white Americans for voting for this fraud that sits in the "White" House. God help this nation if it ever turns majority Black or Brown. And you know it K----.


Let's be real....Do you think the structure and accomplishment and success of this country would have been better under a different demographic? If so, tell me how. This is not about white supremacy. This is about reality K----.

[If America turns black or brown] I truly hope I am dead, because the United States of America the nation of liberty, justice and freedom will be over.

http://onnidan1.com/forum/index.php/topic,75657.15.html

That sounds like White people are inherently better than black or brown people.

Can someone else offer a different interpretation.

y04185, you down with Oldsport and these statements?

 :vomit:

Just goes to prove that a Jew can believe most of the negative stereotypes and that Jews are terrible people, that a Native American can celebrate his ancestors' near-annihilation and that a misguided and brainwashed Black person can embrace white so-called supremacy.

I've been off-line for a couple of days, but I see that OS is definitely off his meds (again) as testified to by the flurry of threads he has started.

Poor thing!

Several O-dan posters predicted that the re-election of President Obama would drive some fRight Wingers "right" off the cliff.  We saw a woman drive over her husband in a Jeep in Arizona, a gay Conservative commit suicide in Florida and now OS is talking about hoping he is dead.

I didn't think I could pity him more than I already did, but I now have to reconsider.
O0
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: oldsport on June 06, 2013, 08:46:15 AM
SMH.....

The people who really diminish blacks accomplishments and achievements are you K----s through your insistence on the portrait of blacks as victims. The continued mania from you K----s about apologies and or reparations ignores the nations long-ago acknowledgment that slavery and racial discrimination represented an indefensible assault on liberty and decency, and dismisses the many fitful, imperfect efforts over several centuries to mitigate its horrendous impact. The obsessive emphasis on the "peculiar institution" and some of its after effects perpuates the image of Blacks as powerless victims while belittling heroic efforts for justice by Americans of "all races" and remarkable progress of the black community.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Ken on June 06, 2013, 09:01:11 AM
Go to a predominately white website and show them that Cherrios commerical --then you will see that your statement is pure BS.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: oldsport on June 06, 2013, 09:08:32 AM
Go to a predominately white website and show them that Cherrios commerical --then you will see that your statement is pure BS.

The racially prejudice or bigoted comments do not represent anywhere near the majority opinion in this country and I defy you to prove or show the source and statistic that it does. Racial prejudice and bigotry are a fact of life and just not confined to the United States.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: CU1994 on June 06, 2013, 09:40:15 AM
SMH.....

The people who really diminish blacks accomplishments and achievements are you K----s through your insistence on the portrait of blacks as victims. The continued mania from you K----s about apologies and or reparations ignores the nations long-ago acknowledgment that slavery and racial discrimination represented an indefensible assault on liberty and decency, and dismisses the many fitful, imperfect efforts over several centuries to mitigate its horrendous impact. The obsessive emphasis on the "peculiar institution" and some of its after effects perpuates the image of Blacks as powerless victims while belittling heroic efforts for justice by Americans of "all races" and remarkable progress of the black community.

Yet this post does not answer to what you said in the OP. Please defend what you said.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: ‘87 Alum on June 06, 2013, 09:41:04 AM


Neymar, you often paint with a broad brush.
:nod:
Sometimes he paints with a mop..

And by numbers at the same time.....
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: oldsport on June 06, 2013, 09:43:45 AM
SMH.....

The people who really diminish blacks accomplishments and achievements are you K----s through your insistence on the portrait of blacks as victims. The continued mania from you K----s about apologies and or reparations ignores the nations long-ago acknowledgment that slavery and racial discrimination represented an indefensible assault on liberty and decency, and dismisses the many fitful, imperfect efforts over several centuries to mitigate its horrendous impact. The obsessive emphasis on the "peculiar institution" and some of its after effects perpuates the image of Blacks as powerless victims while belittling heroic efforts for justice by Americans of "all races" and remarkable progress of the black community.

Yet this post does not answer to what you said in the OP. Please defend what you said.

????????????????
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: SPC Fighting Tiger on June 06, 2013, 02:45:34 PM

If you have kids, dont send them to public schools is the important part. You can only combat this early.

It is highly likely that my public high school is better than any high school you went to.
http://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/new-york/districts/new-york-city-public-schools/brooklyn-technical-high-school-13269

Please refrain from talking unless you have practiced  deep meditation first.  :lmao:
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: CU1994 on June 06, 2013, 02:59:19 PM
SMH.....

The people who really diminish blacks accomplishments and achievements are you K----s through your insistence on the portrait of blacks as victims. The continued mania from you K----s about apologies and or reparations ignores the nations long-ago acknowledgment that slavery and racial discrimination represented an indefensible assault on liberty and decency, and dismisses the many fitful, imperfect efforts over several centuries to mitigate its horrendous impact. The obsessive emphasis on the "peculiar institution" and some of its after effects perpuates the image of Blacks as powerless victims while belittling heroic efforts for justice by Americans of "all races" and remarkable progress of the black community.

Yet this post does not answer to what you said in the OP. Please defend what you said.

????????????????

I already knew you couldn't defend your self hating views.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Strike79 on June 06, 2013, 03:01:03 PM

If you have kids, dont send them to public schools is the important part. You can only combat this early.

It is highly likely that my public high school is better than any high school you went to.
http://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/new-york/districts/new-york-city-public-schools/brooklyn-technical-high-school-13269

Please refrain from talking unless you have practiced  deep meditation first.  :lmao:
:lol:.............and, respectfully, SPC, after the individual completes his "meditation," he should STILL refrain from talking until he has also ingested his DAILY allotment of pharmaceuticals.  :o
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: SPC Fighting Tiger on June 06, 2013, 03:07:05 PM

If you have kids, dont send them to public schools is the important part. You can only combat this early.

It is highly likely that my public high school is better than any high school you went to.
http://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/new-york/districts/new-york-city-public-schools/brooklyn-technical-high-school-13269

Please refrain from talking unless you have practiced  deep meditation first.  :lmao:
:lol:.............and, respectfully, SPC, after the individual completes his "meditation," he should STILL refrain from talking until he has also ingested his DAILY allotment of pharmaceuticals.  :o

 :snicker  Neymar thinks private schools are the answer to society's problems.... The really good private schools are few and far in between. The rest are there to take your money and give you an overly-hyped product that makes you feel like you can thumb your nose at the rest of us....
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Bison66 on June 06, 2013, 03:25:59 PM
SMH.....

The people who really diminish blacks accomplishments and achievements are you K----s through your insistence on the portrait of blacks as victims. The continued mania from you K----s about apologies and or reparations ignores the nations long-ago acknowledgment that slavery and racial discrimination represented an indefensible assault on liberty and decency, and dismisses the many fitful, imperfect efforts over several centuries to mitigate its horrendous impact. The obsessive emphasis on the "peculiar institution" and some of its after effects perpuates the image of Blacks as powerless victims while belittling heroic efforts for justice by Americans of "all races" and remarkable progress of the black community.

Oldsport,

Your behavior gives the lie to your words.

When a thread was started pointing out - with contemporaneous historical accounts - that it was HIGHLY likely that Memorial Day was begun by Black people (in Virginia?), you were silent.

When the positive accomplishments of the Pullman Porters was mentioned, you - without a scintilla of evidence - accused them of being bigamists.

There is a 13 page thread outlining the historical accomplishments of Black and African people over the last 4,000 or 5,000 years. http://onnidan1.com/forum/index.php/topic,68491.0.html
You have not offered a single positive comment or added anything to it.

Although you called an avowed (in the name of God) segregationist, white supremacist and supporter of Apartheid a "great man," you could not find one single kind word to say about a man of immense moral character, who tamped down intra- and inter-racial violence and led South Africa to a peaceful transition from a white racist dictatorship to a non-racial democracy.

Show us your letters to Jewish periodicals or posts on Jewish websites telling them that they have an obsessive concern about the European Holocaust because of the large number of books and films and public citations about that horrific historical experience.  Show us where you told them to "get over it."

Also, your assertion that posters on this site constantly talk about reparations or apologies is COMPLETELY UNSUBSTANTIATED.  I may have missed them, but I'd be surprised if you can come up with 2 comments from more than 2 O-dan posters in, say, the last year or two.  That's a twisted figment of your imagination.

But since you cannot dispute what others on this site ACTUALLY say, you make up stuff and then dispute that!!!!  It's call STRAWMAN arguments and is one of the fallacious arguments that you are infamous for.

Prove me wrong.
O0
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Wildman78 on June 07, 2013, 08:31:46 AM
SMH.....

The people who really diminish blacks accomplishments and achievements are you K----s through your insistence on the portrait of blacks as victims. The continued mania from you K----s about apologies and or reparations ignores the nations long-ago acknowledgment that slavery and racial discrimination represented an indefensible assault on liberty and decency, and dismisses the many fitful, imperfect efforts over several centuries to mitigate its horrendous impact. The obsessive emphasis on the "peculiar institution" and some of its after effects perpuates the image of Blacks as powerless victims while belittling heroic efforts for justice by Americans of "all races" and remarkable progress of the black community.

Oldsport your subjective assessment of the racial attitudes of some of us Negroes does not explain or justify the comments attributed to you in the opening post.

These comments:

Quote from: oldsport on June 05, 2013, 12:41:17 PM

Quote
You better thank God for leftist (socialist/communist) and just plan stupid white Americans for voting for this fraud that sits in the "White" House. God help this nation if it ever turns majority Black or Brown. And you know it K----.


Quote from: oldsport on June 05, 2013, 12:57:56 PM

Quote
Let's be real....Do you think the structure and accomplishment and success of this country would have been better under a different demographic? If so, tell me how. This is not about white supremacy. This is about reality K----.



Quote from: oldsport on June 05, 2013, 02:46:05 PM

Quote
[If America turns black or brown] I truly hope I am dead, because the United States of America the nation of liberty, justice and freedom will be over.


To me, those comments suggests that you believe White people are inherently better or superior to Black and Brown people. If you did not mean to suggest that, please explain.

It's a simple request.


By the way, I see that Mr. y04185 has not responded. Hoepfully, it is because he has not reviewed this thread.

We all know that Mr. y04185 has the "guts" to offer an opinion on Oldsports comments.

What say you y04185.  :shrug:
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: oldsport on June 07, 2013, 09:05:52 AM
SMH.....

The people who really diminish blacks accomplishments and achievements are you K----s through your insistence on the portrait of blacks as victims. The continued mania from you K----s about apologies and or reparations ignores the nations long-ago acknowledgment that slavery and racial discrimination represented an indefensible assault on liberty and decency, and dismisses the many fitful, imperfect efforts over several centuries to mitigate its horrendous impact. The obsessive emphasis on the "peculiar institution" and some of its after effects perpuates the image of Blacks as powerless victims while belittling heroic efforts for justice by Americans of "all races" and remarkable progress of the black community.

Oldsport your subjective assessment of the racial attitudes of some of Negroes does not explain or justify the comments attributed to you in the opening post.

These comments:

Quote from: oldsport on June 05, 2013, 12:41:17 PM

Quote
You better thank God for leftist (socialist/communist) and just plan stupid white Americans for voting for this fraud that sits in the "White" House. God help this nation if it ever turns majority Black or Brown. And you know it K----.


Quote from: oldsport on June 05, 2013, 12:57:56 PM

Quote
Let's be real....Do you think the structure and accomplishment and success of this country would have been better under a different demographic? If so, tell me how. This is not about white supremacy. This is about reality K----.



Quote from: oldsport on June 05, 2013, 02:46:05 PM

Quote
[If America turns black or brown] I truly hope I am dead, because the United States of America the nation of liberty, justice and freedom will be over.


To me, those comments suggests that you believe White people are inherently better or superior to Black and Brown people. If you did not mean to suggest that, please explain.

It's a simple request.


By the way, I see that Mr. y04185 has not responded. Hoepfully, it is because he has not reviewed this thread.

We all know that Mr. y04185 has the "guts" to offer an opinion on Oldsports comments.

What say you y04185.  :shrug:

I stand by every word I posted with respect to this thread. This country has not benefited from it being one thing or the other racial or ethnically. However, whites comprised the majority in this country for many centuries. Their ingenuity was primarily responsible for formation of this nation as well as it's building. Others have contributed. However, it was the western European whites who formed the foundation and structure of this nation. In that sense they have performed a remarkable feat. The institution of slavery was ended by them in a great Civil War. And they reformed the nation. Most of the black educational institutions were founded and financed by whites and the government. I give them great credit for these contributions to America and the assistance given to freed black men as well as the overall contribution to the assistance of the societal advancement of African-Americans. I say this not diminish the achievements and accomplishments of African-Americans to the assistance of the building of this nation and the contribution to much of America's cultural identity. I don't want this nation to become all Black, Brown or white. While I am no fan of multiculturalism, I know that it will take different people to continue the advancement of this great nation. You seem to find glee in the fact that America (you hope) becomes all one or two ethnics (Black and Brown). I don't.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: soflorattler on June 07, 2013, 09:36:35 AM
It's laughable how you conveniently dismiss the contributions of those who were enslaved, whose inventions and innovations were stolen and used as wealth building tools for those you worship...
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: oldsport on June 07, 2013, 09:41:39 AM
It's laughable how you conveniently dismiss the contributions of those who were enslaved, whose inventions and innovations were stolen and used as wealth building tools for those you worship...

Please. You K----s are too much.....

I wrote in my post above...." I say this not diminish the achievements and accomplishments of African-Americans to the assistance of the building of this nation and the contribution to much of America's cultural identity". 

Obviously, you did not read my entire post....IDIOT.....I stand by every word of my post.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: CU1994 on June 07, 2013, 09:51:49 AM
SMH.....

The people who really diminish blacks accomplishments and achievements are you K----s through your insistence on the portrait of blacks as victims. The continued mania from you K----s about apologies and or reparations ignores the nations long-ago acknowledgment that slavery and racial discrimination represented an indefensible assault on liberty and decency, and dismisses the many fitful, imperfect efforts over several centuries to mitigate its horrendous impact. The obsessive emphasis on the "peculiar institution" and some of its after effects perpuates the image of Blacks as powerless victims while belittling heroic efforts for justice by Americans of "all races" and remarkable progress of the black community.

Oldsport your subjective assessment of the racial attitudes of some of Negroes does not explain or justify the comments attributed to you in the opening post.

These comments:

Quote from: oldsport on June 05, 2013, 12:41:17 PM

Quote
You better thank God for leftist (socialist/communist) and just plan stupid white Americans for voting for this fraud that sits in the "White" House. God help this nation if it ever turns majority Black or Brown. And you know it K----.


Quote from: oldsport on June 05, 2013, 12:57:56 PM

Quote
Let's be real....Do you think the structure and accomplishment and success of this country would have been better under a different demographic? If so, tell me how. This is not about white supremacy. This is about reality K----.



Quote from: oldsport on June 05, 2013, 02:46:05 PM

Quote
[If America turns black or brown] I truly hope I am dead, because the United States of America the nation of liberty, justice and freedom will be over.


To me, those comments suggests that you believe White people are inherently better or superior to Black and Brown people. If you did not mean to suggest that, please explain.

It's a simple request.


By the way, I see that Mr. y04185 has not responded. Hoepfully, it is because he has not reviewed this thread.

We all know that Mr. y04185 has the "guts" to offer an opinion on Oldsports comments.

What say you y04185.  :shrug:

I stand by every word I posted with respect to this thread. This country has not benefited from it being one thing or the other racial or ethnically. However, whites comprised the majority in this country for many centuries. Their ingenuity was primarily responsible for formation of this nation as well as it's building. Others have contributed. However, it was the western European whites who formed the foundation and structure of this nation. In that sense they have performed a remarkable feat. The institution of slavery was ended by them in a great Civil War. And they reformed the nation. Most of the black educational institutions were founded and financed by whites and the government. I give them great credit for these contributions to America and the assistance given to freed black men as well as the overall contribution to the assistance of the societal advancement of African-Americans. I say this not diminish the achievements and accomplishments of African-Americans to the assistance of the building of this nation and the contribution to much of America's cultural identity. I don't want this nation to become all Black, Brown or white. While I am no fan of multiculturalism, I know that it will take different people to continue the advancement of this great nation. You seem to find glee in the fact that America (you hope) becomes all one or two ethnics (Black and Brown). I don't.

I hope you mean ended in this country.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Neymar on June 07, 2013, 09:56:36 AM

If you have kids, dont send them to public schools is the important part. You can only combat this early.

It is highly likely that my public high school is better than any high school you went to.
http://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/new-york/districts/new-york-city-public-schools/brooklyn-technical-high-school-13269

Please refrain from talking unless you have practiced  deep meditation first.  :lmao:

One thing is for sure. Your school was ranked higher on USnews than my school is.

When I was looking to finish up school I didnt want to be bothered to be honest. I wanted to learn the way the ancient Greeks did. I just wanted to study for the studying aspect, and not be forced to conform to standardized testing or society viewpoints.

I also wanted to take every A-level I wanted to without having counselors sway or change my plans. That is why I chose Highbury Grove school. They didnt hound you on attendance, and it allowed me to fulfill every requirement I wanted.

My school is at 4:30 and beyond
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iopll8L4crc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iopll8L4crc)

Pretty dire picture that was in 2006, wasnt AS bad with us older kids, but still no picnic. I was there during this time, but I think I only showed up to school on her last day filming. It served its purpose though. Workers go to school like work 9-5, leaders learn to think. I learned to think during my time there.

I probably only went to school like 3 or 4 times a fortnight anyways. True learning comes from private self search.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: oldsport on June 07, 2013, 10:01:05 AM
SMH.....

The people who really diminish blacks accomplishments and achievements are you K----s through your insistence on the portrait of blacks as victims. The continued mania from you K----s about apologies and or reparations ignores the nations long-ago acknowledgment that slavery and racial discrimination represented an indefensible assault on liberty and decency, and dismisses the many fitful, imperfect efforts over several centuries to mitigate its horrendous impact. The obsessive emphasis on the "peculiar institution" and some of its after effects perpuates the image of Blacks as powerless victims while belittling heroic efforts for justice by Americans of "all races" and remarkable progress of the black community.

Oldsport your subjective assessment of the racial attitudes of some of Negroes does not explain or justify the comments attributed to you in the opening post.

These comments:

Quote from: oldsport on June 05, 2013, 12:41:17 PM

Quote
You better thank God for leftist (socialist/communist) and just plan stupid white Americans for voting for this fraud that sits in the "White" House. God help this nation if it ever turns majority Black or Brown. And you know it K----.


Quote from: oldsport on June 05, 2013, 12:57:56 PM

Quote
Let's be real....Do you think the structure and accomplishment and success of this country would have been better under a different demographic? If so, tell me how. This is not about white supremacy. This is about reality K----.



Quote from: oldsport on June 05, 2013, 02:46:05 PM

Quote
[If America turns black or brown] I truly hope I am dead, because the United States of America the nation of liberty, justice and freedom will be over.


To me, those comments suggests that you believe White people are inherently better or superior to Black and Brown people. If you did not mean to suggest that, please explain.

It's a simple request.


By the way, I see that Mr. y04185 has not responded. Hoepfully, it is because he has not reviewed this thread.

We all know that Mr. y04185 has the "guts" to offer an opinion on Oldsports comments.

What say you y04185.  :shrug:

I stand by every word I posted with respect to this thread. This country has not benefited from it being one thing or the other racial or ethnically. However, whites comprised the majority in this country for many centuries. Their ingenuity was primarily responsible for formation of this nation as well as it's building. Others have contributed. However, it was the western European whites who formed the foundation and structure of this nation. In that sense they have performed a remarkable feat. The institution of slavery was ended by them in a great Civil War. And they reformed the nation. Most of the black educational institutions were founded and financed by whites and the government. I give them great credit for these contributions to America and the assistance given to freed black men as well as the overall contribution to the assistance of the societal advancement of African-Americans. I say this not diminish the achievements and accomplishments of African-Americans to the assistance of the building of this nation and the contribution to much of America's cultural identity. I don't want this nation to become all Black, Brown or white. While I am no fan of multiculturalism, I know that it will take different people to continue the advancement of this great nation. You seem to find glee in the fact that America (you hope) becomes all one or two ethnics (Black and Brown). I don't.

I hope you mean ended in this country.

It wasn't just white European Americans. Actually, the British also contributed to ending the slave trade as well as the institution of the African slave trade in the America's as well as other parts of the world. So, there you have it.

http://www.history.uk.com/history/ending-british-slave-trade/
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: CU1994 on June 07, 2013, 10:35:02 AM
It would make sense that if you started the transatlantic slave trade you would end it.  :shrug: you do realize America was late to the party? European countries had to put pressure on the U.S. let's not use revisionist history.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: oldsport on June 07, 2013, 10:47:01 AM
It would make sense that if you started the transatlantic slave trade you would end it.  :shrug: you do realize America was late to the party? European countries had to put pressure on the U.S. let's not use revisionist history.

It does not take away what was accomplished here in the United States with the ending of slavery. Also, it does not take way from the tremendous progress made by Blacks in this country and I might add with great sacrifice of many many whites who assisted in Blacks advancement. African-Americans, despite many societal challenges still to be remedied, are the most advanced and wealthy as a collective group of Blacks in the world.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: CU1994 on June 07, 2013, 10:57:50 AM
It would make sense that if you started the transatlantic slave trade you would end it.  :shrug: you do realize America was late to the party? European countries had to put pressure on the U.S. let's not use revisionist history.

It does not take away what was accomplished here in the United States with the ending of slavery. Also, it does not take way from the tremendous progress made by Blacks in this country and I might add with great sacrifice of many many whites who assisted in Blacks advancement. African-Americans, despite many societal challenges still to be remedied, are the most advanced and wealthy as a collective group of Blacks in the world.

Ending slavery isn't an accomplishment. That's like some fool saying I take care of my kids.  :shrug:What do you mean by black advancement? That sounds very suspect. I would argue that we have made advancements in this country despite of white people not because of.  :shrug: While black folk have made some money in this country, it's not that simple comparing us to black folk throughout the Diaspora.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: oldsport on June 07, 2013, 11:07:02 AM
It would make sense that if you started the transatlantic slave trade you would end it.  :shrug: you do realize America was late to the party? European countries had to put pressure on the U.S. let's not use revisionist history.

It does not take away what was accomplished here in the United States with the ending of slavery. Also, it does not take way from the tremendous progress made by Blacks in this country and I might add with great sacrifice of many many whites who assisted in Blacks advancement. African-Americans, despite many societal challenges still to be remedied, are the most advanced and wealthy as a collective group of Blacks in the world.

Ending slavery isn't an accomplishment. That's like some fool saying I take care of my kids.  :shrug:What do you mean by black advancement? That sounds very suspect. I would argue that we have made advancements in this country despite of white people not because of.  :shrug: While black folk have made some money in this country, it's not that simple comparing us to black folk throughout the Diaspora.

Do you believe Black folk would have gained their freedom as quickly without the Civil War and Lincoln's efforts along with the efforts of the abolitionist - the majority of who were white? Man get real. Also, how about the establishment of the majority of HBCU's. Who do you think financed and built most. Black folk have done more than just make money in this country...they have been able to achieve great cultural, educational, political and economic success most of it done with the assistance of white folk. Have there been some whites who tried to prevent and stifle the advancement of African-Americans - yes. Yet, they have been defeated at every turn with collective efforts of whites and blacks.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Wildman78 on June 07, 2013, 11:22:55 AM
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I stand by every word I posted with respect to this thread. This country has not benefited from it being one thing or the other racial or ethnically. However, whites comprised the majority in this country for many centuries. Their ingenuity was primarily responsible for formation of this nation as well as it's building. Others have contributed. However, it was the western European whites who formed the foundation and structure of this nation. In that sense they have performed a remarkable feat. The institution of slavery was ended by them in a great Civil War. And they reformed the nation. Most of the black educational institutions were founded and financed by whites and the government. I give them great credit for these contributions to America and the assistance given to freed black men as well as the overall contribution to the assistance of the societal advancement of African-Americans. I say this not diminish the achievements and accomplishments of African-Americans to the assistance of the building of this nation and the contribution to much of America's cultural identity. I don't want this nation to become all Black, Brown or white. While I am no fan of multiculturalism, I know that it will take different people to continue the advancement of this great nation. You seem to find glee in the fact that America (you hope) becomes all one or two ethnics (Black and Brown). I don't.

First, don't attribute ideas me that I haven't expressed. My inquiry in no way suggests that I would find glee in the country becoming all Black and Brown.

Your comment above and other comments throughout this thread do not directly address my basic inquiry.

You said this:

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God help this nation if it ever turns majority Black or Brown.


and

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[If America turns black or brown] I truly hope I am dead, because the United States of America the nation of liberty, justice and freedom will be over.


What do you mean by those comments. It suggests that Black and/or Brown p[eople aren't capable of sustaining the government of the United States or it's values, that only a White majority can insure the viability of the United States.

I understand that White men of Western European Background are primarily responsible for forming the government of the United States. I understand that some White people were against slavery and fought against slavery. I understand that slavery was the primary cause of the Civil War. However, I'm not arguing that point.

I wan't to know why you feel America is doomed for failure if the majority of the country becomes Black and Brown?  That smacks of White supremacy.


Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: oldsport on June 07, 2013, 11:38:53 AM
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I stand by every word I posted with respect to this thread. This country has not benefited from it being one thing or the other racial or ethnically. However, whites comprised the majority in this country for many centuries. Their ingenuity was primarily responsible for formation of this nation as well as it's building. Others have contributed. However, it was the western European whites who formed the foundation and structure of this nation. In that sense they have performed a remarkable feat. The institution of slavery was ended by them in a great Civil War. And they reformed the nation. Most of the black educational institutions were founded and financed by whites and the government. I give them great credit for these contributions to America and the assistance given to freed black men as well as the overall contribution to the assistance of the societal advancement of African-Americans. I say this not diminish the achievements and accomplishments of African-Americans to the assistance of the building of this nation and the contribution to much of America's cultural identity. I don't want this nation to become all Black, Brown or white. While I am no fan of multiculturalism, I know that it will take different people to continue the advancement of this great nation. You seem to find glee in the fact that America (you hope) becomes all one or two ethnics (Black and Brown). I don't.

First, don't attribute ideas me that I haven't expressed. My inquiry in no way suggests that I would find glee in the country becoming all Black and Brown.

Your comment above and other comments throughout this thread do not directly address my basic inquiry.

You said this:

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God help this nation if it ever turns majority Black or Brown.


and

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[If America turns black or brown] I truly hope I am dead, because the United States of America the nation of liberty, justice and freedom will be over.


What do you mean by those comments. It suggests that Black and/or Brown p[eople aren't capable of sustaining the government of the United States or it's values, that only a White majority can insure the viability of the United States.

I understand that White men of Western European Background are primarily responsible for forming the government of the United States. I understand that some White people were against slavery and fought against slavery. I understand that slavery was the primary cause of the Civil War. However, I'm not arguing that point.

I wan't to know why you feel America is doomed for failure if the majority of the country becomes Black and Brown?  That smacks of White supremacy.


Let it smack whatever you want.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: soflorattler on June 07, 2013, 11:55:51 AM
 :shrug: Well, he is a believer in White supremacy.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Wildman78 on June 07, 2013, 12:07:49 PM
Where's y04185?  :shrug:
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Bison66 on June 07, 2013, 01:19:12 PM
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I stand by every word I posted with respect to this thread.....

...I wan't to know why you feel America is doomed for failure if the majority of the country becomes Black and Brown?  That smacks of White supremacy.

....Let it smack whatever you want.

Above is the Cliff Notes Version for those who have limited time.

While I pity Oldsport, I do give him "credit" for his honesty on this topic.  He realizes that his beliefs are sick, slanderous and stupid, but he CANNOT AND WILL NOT denounce white so-called supremacy.  His brainwashing is so complete
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRjgXQWxUVTfHm264mttTVxqCIJm-RxwEofUw1-bOgXt01plw4r2w)
that his entire self-concept would be threatened by an acceptance of the historical evidence contradicting his white supremacist beliefs.

At least we all know where he stands stoops.

For those of us who have 'known' him for many years, this is NOT news.  That is how a victim 'thinks.'
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Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: oldsport on June 07, 2013, 01:25:06 PM
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I stand by every word I posted with respect to this thread.....

...I wan't to know why you feel America is doomed for failure if the majority of the country becomes Black and Brown?  That smacks of White supremacy.

....Let it smack whatever you want.

Above is the Cliff Notes Version for those who have limited time.

While I pity Oldsport, I do give him "credit" for his honesty on this topic.  He realizes that his beliefs are sick, slanderous and stupid, but he CANNOT AND WILL NOT denounce white so-called supremacy.  His brainwashing is so complete
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRjgXQWxUVTfHm264mttTVxqCIJm-RxwEofUw1-bOgXt01plw4r2w)
that his entire self-concept would be threatened by an acceptance of the historical evidence contradicting his white supremacist beliefs.

At least we all know where he stands stoops.

For those of us who have 'known' him for many years, this is NOT news.  That is how a victim 'thinks.'
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I do not believe the supremacy of any man. I only pointed out who founded this great nation and who wrote the concept, constitution and bill of rights that the nation would be guided by. I don't believe this nation will become all Black or Brown.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Bison66 on June 07, 2013, 01:59:59 PM

I do not believe the supremacy of any man. I only pointed out who founded this great nation and who wrote the concept, constitution and bill of rights that the nation would be guided by. I don't believe this nation will become all Black or Brown.

Words,  just words. 

But your "carefully phrased" ('any man', not 'any race') denial does show that you DO realize how asinine you sound.

No, dude, you said a whole lot more than that - which Wildman has been highlighting throughout this thread and which you have yet to address.

And, finally, ain't nobody but you talking about the USA becoming all Brown/Black.  That reflects some Aryan Nation paranoia that you picked up somewhere on a fRight Wing blog.
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Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Meciber 202 on June 07, 2013, 02:08:36 PM
Where's y04185?  :shrug:

This is not wh(y) area of responsibility  :thefan: if you notice the pattern (the way I have), you'll notice the "racist" stuff gets posted and/or addressed primarily by olds..t   :no:  Thta's how the GOP roll ... they think it looks better coming from someone in the community .... when it's Hispanics, they use Cubans, etc, etc.

IMHO, Uchi would be better suited in this area ... but being white he would not feel free to say publicly, on predominately black website, what he really feels in his heart. Thing is it comes out anyway ... and he still trying to figure out how I know (see below)

Of the three (by default), wh(y) tries to hold down the intellectual discussions from GOP perspective.

Finally everyone seems to come to same conclusion that uchi "dumb act" is not an act -- he really is that dumb (trust me). And thus, he is very well-qualified to address all dumb/stupid topics or rather any Tea Party related subjects -- to be effective here , all he has to do is repeat stuff he heard foxnews, wnd, gbeck, etc. -- he don't care about facts, he don't need to post no sources, he don't need to explain what he post ... it really makes you wonder why he even on this site ... he really could have been an asset (white person/GOP conservative perspective) if he was willing to have real debate  :'(  ... another one of those "mystical" privileges of being white  :no:



Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: oldsport on June 07, 2013, 02:09:24 PM

I do not believe the supremacy of any man. I only pointed out who founded this great nation and who wrote the concept, constitution and bill of rights that the nation would be guided by. I don't believe this nation will become all Black or Brown.

Words,  just words. 

But your "carefully phrased" ('any man', not 'any race') denial does show that you DO realize how asinine you sound.

No, dude, you said a whole lot more than that - which Wildman has been highlighting throughout this thread and which you have yet to address.

And, finally, ain't nobody but you talking about the USA becoming all Brown/Black.  That reflects some Aryan Nation paranoia that you picked up somewhere on a fRight Wing blog.
O0

Hey Buffalo dung.....Let's just call it a day. Nothing I say will convince you that I do not believe in white supremacy or the supremacy of any man OR RACE.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: oldsport on June 07, 2013, 02:11:06 PM
Where's y04185?  :shrug:

This is not wh(y) area of responsibility  :thefan: if you notice the pattern (the way I have), you'll notice the "racist" stuff gets posted and/or addressed primarily by olds..t   :no:  Thta's how the GOP roll ... they think it looks better coming from someone in the community .... when it's Hispanics, they use Cubans, etc, etc.

IMHO, Uchi would be better suited in this area ... but being white he would not feel free to say publicly, on predominately black website, what he really feels in his heart. Thing is it comes out anyway ... and he still trying to figure out how I know (see below)

Of the three (by default), wh(y) tries to hold down the intellectual discussions from GOP perspective.

Finally everyone seems to come to same conclusion that uchi "dumb act" is not an act -- he really is that dumb (trust me). And thus, he is very well-qualified to address all dumb/stupid topics or rather any Tea Party related subjects -- to be effective here , all he has to do is repeat stuff he heard foxnews, wnd, gbeck, etc. -- he don't care about facts, he don't need to post no sources, he don't need to explain what he post ... it really makes you wonder why he even on this site ... he really could have been an asset (white person/GOP conservative perspective) if he was willing to have real debate  :'(  ... another one of those "mystical" privileges of being white  :no:





 :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Wildman78 on June 07, 2013, 02:14:52 PM
I do not believe the supremacy of any man. I only pointed out who founded this great nation and who wrote the concept, constitution and bill of rights that the nation would be guided by. I don't believe this nation will become all Black or Brown.

No, no, no sir. That is simply not quite accurate. You said something quite different:


Again, you wrote:

......God help this nation if it ever turns majority Black or Brown. And you know it K----[Negroes].

In response to the question where will you go when the nation turns majority Black or Brown, you wrote:

I truly hope I am dead, because the United States of America the nation of liberty, justice and freedom will be over.

Again, it's simply not true for you to now state you "only pointed out who founded this great nation and who wrote the concept, constitution and bill of rights that the nation would be guided by."

Come on man. Be for real.

Do you now to retreat from those comments or clarify what you meant?


Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: CU1994 on June 07, 2013, 02:27:33 PM
I do not believe the supremacy of any man. I only pointed out who founded this great nation and who wrote the concept, constitution and bill of rights that the nation would be guided by. I don't believe this nation will become all Black or Brown.

No, no, no sir. That is simply not quite accurate. You said something quite different:


Again, you wrote:

......God help this nation if it ever turns majority Black or Brown. And you know it K----[Negroes].

In response to the question where will you go when the nation turns majority Black or Brown, you wrote:

I truly hope I am dead, because the United States of America the nation of liberty, justice and freedom will be over.

Again, it's simply not true for you to now state you "only pointed out who founded this great nation and who wrote the concept, constitution and bill of rights that the nation would be guided by."

Come on man. Be for real.

Do you now to retreat from those comments or clarify what you meant?




 :popcorn:
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Bison66 on June 07, 2013, 02:30:17 PM

I do not believe the supremacy of any man. I only pointed out who founded this great nation and who wrote the concept, constitution and bill of rights that the nation would be guided by. I don't believe this nation will become all Black or Brown.

Words,  just words. 

But your "carefully phrased" ('any man', not 'any race') denial does show that you DO realize how asinine you sound.

No, dude, you said a whole lot more than that - which Wildman has been highlighting throughout this thread and which you have yet to address.

And, finally, ain't nobody but you talking about the USA becoming all Brown/Black.  That reflects some Aryan Nation paranoia that you picked up somewhere on a fRight Wing blog.
O0

Hey Buffalo dung.....Let's just call it a day. Nothing I say will convince you that I do not believe in white supremacy or the supremacy of any man OR RACE.

Call it a day?   :lmao:    :lmao:
When you stop espousing white supremacist viewpoints, the day will be called and not a second before that.
O0
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: oldsport on June 07, 2013, 02:46:46 PM

I do not believe the supremacy of any man. I only pointed out who founded this great nation and who wrote the concept, constitution and bill of rights that the nation would be guided by. I don't believe this nation will become all Black or Brown.

Words,  just words. 

But your "carefully phrased" ('any man', not 'any race') denial does show that you DO realize how asinine you sound.

No, dude, you said a whole lot more than that - which Wildman has been highlighting throughout this thread and which you have yet to address.

And, finally, ain't nobody but you talking about the USA becoming all Brown/Black.  That reflects some Aryan Nation paranoia that you picked up somewhere on a fRight Wing blog.
O0

Hey Buffalo dung.....Let's just call it a day. Nothing I say will convince you that I do not believe in white supremacy or the supremacy of any man OR RACE.

Call it a day?   :lmao:    :lmao:
When you stop espousing white supremacist viewpoints, the day will be called and not a second before that.
O0

 :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Wildman78 on June 07, 2013, 03:52:30 PM
Oldsport, will you please respond to my  post. 

I do not believe the supremacy of any man. I only pointed out who founded this great nation and who wrote the concept, constitution and bill of rights that the nation would be guided by. I don't believe this nation will become all Black or Brown.

No, no, no sir. That is simply not quite accurate. You said something quite different:


Again, you wrote:

......God help this nation if it ever turns majority Black or Brown. And you know it K----[Negroes].

In response to the question where will you go when the nation turns majority Black or Brown, you wrote:

I truly hope I am dead, because the United States of America the nation of liberty, justice and freedom will be over.

Again, it's simply not true for you to now state you "only pointed out who founded this great nation and who wrote the concept, constitution and bill of rights that the nation would be guided by."

Come on man. Be for real.

Do you now to retreat from those comments or clarify what you meant?

Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: uchighlander on June 07, 2013, 04:21:18 PM
Just a question here. How many predominately black or brown countries have risen to the stature of the US or even come close ? GO VIKINGS!!!
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Wildman78 on June 07, 2013, 04:37:19 PM
Just a question here. How many predominately black or brown countries have risen to the stature of the US or even come close ? GO VIKINGS!!!



I would say  that there are no predominantly Black or Brown countries that are equal to the United States in wealth, power, or opportunity.  However, there are some emerging countries that are majority Black or Brown and some countries that do alright for themselves. Nigeria, Ghana, Brazil, Jamaica, and Cuba are examples.


Are you trying to make a point, because I think that  What is your point, if you have one.

I'm not sure if you meant in all history, but if you did. Here is something for you to consider

The Mali Empire (Manding: Nyeni;[4] English: Niani), also historically referred to as the Manden Kurufaba[1] was a West African empire of the Mandinka from c. 1230 to c. 1600. The empire was founded by Sundiata Keita and became renowned for the wealth of its rulers, especially Mansa Musa I. The Mali Empire had many profound cultural influences on West Africa, allowing the spread of its language, laws and customs along the Niger River. It extended over a large area and consisted of numerous vassal kingdoms and provinces.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_Empire
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Bison66 on June 07, 2013, 05:25:35 PM
Just a question here. How many predominately black or brown countries have risen to the stature of the US or even come close ? GO VIKINGS!!!

Everything in its own context and time.

While whites (Europeans) were at a very low level of civilization, there were vast, highly developed civilizations in non-white areas of the globe:
http://onnidan1.com/forum/index.php/topic,68491.0.html

O0
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Wildman78 on June 07, 2013, 05:34:17 PM
Oldsport, will you please respond to my  post. 

I do not believe the supremacy of any man. I only pointed out who founded this great nation and who wrote the concept, constitution and bill of rights that the nation would be guided by. I don't believe this nation will become all Black or Brown.

No, no, no sir. That is simply not quite accurate. You said something quite different:


Again, you wrote:

......God help this nation if it ever turns majority Black or Brown. And you know it K----[Negroes].

In response to the question where will you go when the nation turns majority Black or Brown, you wrote:

I truly hope I am dead, because the United States of America the nation of liberty, justice and freedom will be over.

Again, it's simply not true for you to now state you "only pointed out who founded this great nation and who wrote the concept, constitution and bill of rights that the nation would be guided by."

Come on man. Be for real.

Do you now to retreat from those comments or clarify what you meant?



What about it Oldsport?
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: CU1994 on June 07, 2013, 06:30:01 PM
Just a question here. How many predominately black or brown countries have risen to the stature of the US or even come close ? GO VIKINGS!!!

I don't know if this is total ignorance in world history or some more of Old Sport's racist ideology. Either way, it's scary. Read a book dude. To have you and OS tell it, America has been here for thousands if years. Black and brown people have done pretty well in the civilization department, including educating your forefathers. That is until YOUR forefathers went on a shooting and pillaging spree. :no:
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Bison66 on June 07, 2013, 07:42:18 PM
Just a question here. How many predominately black or brown countries have risen to the stature of the US or even come close ? GO VIKINGS!!!

I don't know if this is total ignorance in world history or some more of Old Sport's racist ideology. Either way, it's scary. Read a book dude. To have you and OS tell it, America has been here for thousands if years. Black and brown people have done pretty well in the civilization department, including educating your forefathers. That is until YOUR forefathers went on a shooting and pillaging spree. :no:

And don't forget they are the only forefathers in Oldsport's ancestry that he is interested in.
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Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: iceman4221 on June 08, 2013, 12:59:41 PM
Just a question here. How many predominately black or brown countries have risen to the stature of the US or even come close ? GO VIKINGS!!!

Everything in its own context and time.

While whites (Europeans) were at a very low level of civilization, there were vast, highly developed civilizations in non-white areas of the globe:
http://onnidan1.com/forum/index.php/topic,68491.0.html

O0


Non European Empires that the USA is trying to mimic from World History (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire)

List of largest Empires in World History (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_empires)

Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Professor on June 08, 2013, 01:47:56 PM
It would make sense that if you started the transatlantic slave trade you would end it.  :shrug: you do realize America was late to the party? European countries had to put pressure on the U.S. let's not use revisionist history.

It does not take away what was accomplished here in the United States with the ending of slavery. Also, it does not take way from the tremendous progress made by Blacks in this country and I might add with great sacrifice of many many whites who assisted in Blacks advancement. African-Americans, despite many societal challenges still to be remedied, are the most advanced and wealthy as a collective group of Blacks in the world.

Ending slavery isn't an accomplishment. That's like some fool saying I take care of my kids.  :shrug:What do you mean by black advancement? That sounds very suspect. I would argue that we have made advancements in this country despite of white people not because of.  :shrug: While black folk have made some money in this country, it's not that simple comparing us to black folk throughout the Diaspora.

Do you believe Black folk would have gained their freedom as quickly without the Civil War and Lincoln's efforts along with the efforts of the abolitionist - the majority of who were white? Man get real. Also, how about the establishment of the majority of HBCU's. Who do you think financed and built most. Black folk have done more than just make money in this country...they have been able to achieve great cultural, educational, political and economic success most of it done with the assistance of white folk. Have there been some whites who tried to prevent and stifle the advancement of African-Americans - yes. Yet, they have been defeated at every turn with collective efforts of whites and blacks.

Lincoln cared nothing about the slaves nor their plight. Its was politics plan and simple. Read up

http://www.history.com/news/5-things-you-may-not-know-about-lincoln-slavery-and-emancipation (http://www.history.com/news/5-things-you-may-not-know-about-lincoln-slavery-and-emancipation)
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Wildman78 on June 08, 2013, 01:56:25 PM
These posts about slavery and the contributions of  Brown or Black civilizations are interesting. However, I'm still waiting for Oldsport to defend or explain these comments:

Quote
......God help this nation if it ever turns majority Black or Brown. And you know it K----[Negroes].

and


Quote
[If the nation turns majority Black or Brown] I truly hope I am dead, because the United States of America the nation of liberty, justice and freedom will be over.



Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: oldsport on June 10, 2013, 09:45:28 AM
Just a question here. How many predominately black or brown countries have risen to the stature of the US or even come close ? GO VIKINGS!!!

Everything in its own context and time.

While whites (Europeans) were at a very low level of civilization, there were vast, highly developed civilizations in non-white areas of the globe:
http://onnidan1.com/forum/index.php/topic,68491.0.html

O0


Non European Empires that the USA is trying to mimic from World History (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire)

List of largest Empires in World History (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_empires)



u, these K----s don't want to admit the truth. Western Civilization far surpassed anything in the Black and Brown world. It's just a reality that you K----s must face. Again, I say this not diminish Black and Brown history. However, Western Civilization, culture, inventiveness, governments...etc. have eclipsed anything with respect to the Black and Brown civilizations. That's just pure fact.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: oldsport on June 10, 2013, 09:52:26 AM
It would make sense that if you started the transatlantic slave trade you would end it.  :shrug: you do realize America was late to the party? European countries had to put pressure on the U.S. let's not use revisionist history.

It does not take away what was accomplished here in the United States with the ending of slavery. Also, it does not take way from the tremendous progress made by Blacks in this country and I might add with great sacrifice of many many whites who assisted in Blacks advancement. African-Americans, despite many societal challenges still to be remedied, are the most advanced and wealthy as a collective group of Blacks in the world.

Ending slavery isn't an accomplishment. That's like some fool saying I take care of my kids.  :shrug:What do you mean by black advancement? That sounds very suspect. I would argue that we have made advancements in this country despite of white people not because of.  :shrug: While black folk have made some money in this country, it's not that simple comparing us to black folk throughout the Diaspora.

Do you believe Black folk would have gained their freedom as quickly without the Civil War and Lincoln's efforts along with the efforts of the abolitionist - the majority of who were white? Man get real. Also, how about the establishment of the majority of HBCU's. Who do you think financed and built most. Black folk have done more than just make money in this country...they have been able to achieve great cultural, educational, political and economic success most of it done with the assistance of white folk. Have there been some whites who tried to prevent and stifle the advancement of African-Americans - yes. Yet, they have been defeated at every turn with collective efforts of whites and blacks.

Lincoln cared nothing about the slaves nor their plight. Its was politics plan and simple. Read up

http://www.history.com/news/5-things-you-may-not-know-about-lincoln-slavery-and-emancipation (http://www.history.com/news/5-things-you-may-not-know-about-lincoln-slavery-and-emancipation)

So did LBJ....So what? Enjoy your freedom and liberty K----....bought with the blood and treasure of hundred's of thousands mainly white people as well as Blacks and the political and moral conscience of this great nation.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: uchighlander on June 10, 2013, 10:06:06 AM
Just a question here. How many predominately black or brown countries have risen to the stature of the US or even come close ? GO VIKINGS!!!



I would say  that there are no predominantly Black or Brown countries that are equal to the United States in wealth, power, or opportunity.  However, there are some emerging countries that are majority Black or Brown and some countries that do alright for themselves. Nigeria, Ghana, Brazil, Jamaica, and Cuba are examples.


Are you trying to make a point, because I think that  What is your point, if you have one.

I'm not sure if you meant in all history, but if you did. Here is something for you to consider

The Mali Empire (Manding: Nyeni;[4] English: Niani), also historically referred to as the Manden Kurufaba[1] was a West African empire of the Mandinka from c. 1230 to c. 1600. The empire was founded by Sundiata Keita and became renowned for the wealth of its rulers, especially Mansa Musa I. The Mali Empire had many profound cultural influences on West Africa, allowing the spread of its language, laws and customs along the Niger River. It extended over a large area and consisted of numerous vassal kingdoms and provinces.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_Empire

And in that empire was the average citizen able to rise up to be president....was the average citizen able to use their brains to become a rich man.....just because it spread it's culture and laws and customs far and wide does not make it a great nation. The rulers were rich? So? GO VIKINGS!!!
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Wildman78 on June 10, 2013, 10:20:36 AM
Just a question here. How many predominately black or brown countries have risen to the stature of the US or even come close ? GO VIKINGS!!!



I would say  that there are no predominantly Black or Brown countries that are equal to the United States in wealth, power, or opportunity.  However, there are some emerging countries that are majority Black or Brown and some countries that do alright for themselves. Nigeria, Ghana, Brazil, Jamaica, and Cuba are examples.


Are you trying to make a point, because I think that  What is your point, if you have one.

I'm not sure if you meant in all history, but if you did. Here is something for you to consider

The Mali Empire (Manding: Nyeni;[4] English: Niani), also historically referred to as the Manden Kurufaba[1] was a West African empire of the Mandinka from c. 1230 to c. 1600. The empire was founded by Sundiata Keita and became renowned for the wealth of its rulers, especially Mansa Musa I. The Mali Empire had many profound cultural influences on West Africa, allowing the spread of its language, laws and customs along the Niger River. It extended over a large area and consisted of numerous vassal kingdoms and provinces.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_Empire

And in that empire was the average citizen able to rise up to be president....was the average citizen able to use their brains to become a rich man.....just because it spread it's culture and laws and customs far and wide does not make it a great nation. The rulers were rich? So? GO VIKINGS!!!

Well apparently it was a "great nation" for that era.  In another 1000 years, people may not think the U.S.A. was all that great.

If you wish to know more about the Mali civilization, there is plenty of information available on the web, in bookstores and libraries. Then again maybe you are just trying to make a point. If so, what is the point you are trying to make?  :shrug:

I'm still waiting for Oldsport to explain his statements.

Also, your inquiry has strayed from the topic
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: oldsport on June 10, 2013, 10:24:59 AM
Just a question here. How many predominately black or brown countries have risen to the stature of the US or even come close ? GO VIKINGS!!!



I would say  that there are no predominantly Black or Brown countries that are equal to the United States in wealth, power, or opportunity.  However, there are some emerging countries that are majority Black or Brown and some countries that do alright for themselves. Nigeria, Ghana, Brazil, Jamaica, and Cuba are examples.


Are you trying to make a point, because I think that  What is your point, if you have one.

I'm not sure if you meant in all history, but if you did. Here is something for you to consider

The Mali Empire (Manding: Nyeni;[4] English: Niani), also historically referred to as the Manden Kurufaba[1] was a West African empire of the Mandinka from c. 1230 to c. 1600. The empire was founded by Sundiata Keita and became renowned for the wealth of its rulers, especially Mansa Musa I. The Mali Empire had many profound cultural influences on West Africa, allowing the spread of its language, laws and customs along the Niger River. It extended over a large area and consisted of numerous vassal kingdoms and provinces.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_Empire

And in that empire was the average citizen able to rise up to be president....was the average citizen able to use their brains to become a rich man.....just because it spread it's culture and laws and customs far and wide does not make it a great nation. The rulers were rich? So? GO VIKINGS!!!

u, while I admire the study of African history as well as the history of other civilizations, one need to place a number of things into perspective. Most of these civilizations were despotic and tyrannical as well as myopic in their scope of governance. What you pointed out is something these K----s do not want to face as they live the romantic notion of great (not so great) African civilizations. They just don't want to acknowledge they are living in without a doubt the greatest civilization and nation in recorded history. I fully give the founders of this great nation credit for what they founded and achieved.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Wildman78 on June 10, 2013, 11:14:39 AM
I understand that Oldsport and Uchighlander would like to veer away from the focus of the thread. However, I am still waiting for Oldsport to explain what he meant by these comments:

Quote
God help this nation if it ever turns majority Black or Brown.


Quote
[If America turns black or brown] I truly hope I am dead, because the United States of America the nation of liberty, justice and freedom will be over.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Bison66 on June 10, 2013, 01:16:02 PM
Just a question here. How many predominately black or brown countries have risen to the stature of the US or even come close ? GO VIKINGS!!!



I would say  that there are no predominantly Black or Brown countries that are equal to the United States in wealth, power, or opportunity.  However, there are some emerging countries that are majority Black or Brown and some countries that do alright for themselves. Nigeria, Ghana, Brazil, Jamaica, and Cuba are examples.


Are you trying to make a point, because I think that  What is your point, if you have one.

I'm not sure if you meant in all history, but if you did. Here is something for you to consider

The Mali Empire (Manding: Nyeni;[4] English: Niani), also historically referred to as the Manden Kurufaba[1] was a West African empire of the Mandinka from c. 1230 to c. 1600. The empire was founded by Sundiata Keita and became renowned for the wealth of its rulers, especially Mansa Musa I. The Mali Empire had many profound cultural influences on West Africa, allowing the spread of its language, laws and customs along the Niger River. It extended over a large area and consisted of numerous vassal kingdoms and provinces.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_Empire

And in that empire was the average citizen able to rise up to be president....was the average citizen able to use their brains to become a rich man.....just because it spread it's culture and laws and customs far and wide does not make it a great nation. The rulers were rich? So? GO VIKINGS!!!

I suggest that you do some research if you are SERIOUS about wanting to know the answers to your questions.

However, ANYone can pick a series of SELF-SERVING AND SELF-JUSTIFYING questions to avoid looking at history.  I suspect that you think your questions make a point.  But, if you think so, as Wildman said, you have not, so just state your point.

I could ask you and Oldsport in regard to European expansion into the Americas:

- Did the explorers and colonists whose compatriots became the Founding Fathers of the USA bring diseases which wiped out millions of people in the western hemisphere?

- Did those same people enslave the Native People (who survived the Europeans' diseases) until most of them died or were forced to retreat further and further from their own lands or were restricted to inarable, infertile land?

- Did that nation - the USA - despite the initial hospitality of Native Peoples to their settlers (even saving them from starvation in at least one case), repeatedly break treaty after treaty with the Native people whose land they stole?

Note that I have made NO reference to Black people.
O0
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: oldsport on June 10, 2013, 01:19:17 PM
Just a question here. How many predominately black or brown countries have risen to the stature of the US or even come close ? GO VIKINGS!!!



I would say  that there are no predominantly Black or Brown countries that are equal to the United States in wealth, power, or opportunity.  However, there are some emerging countries that are majority Black or Brown and some countries that do alright for themselves. Nigeria, Ghana, Brazil, Jamaica, and Cuba are examples.


Are you trying to make a point, because I think that  What is your point, if you have one.

I'm not sure if you meant in all history, but if you did. Here is something for you to consider

The Mali Empire (Manding: Nyeni;[4] English: Niani), also historically referred to as the Manden Kurufaba[1] was a West African empire of the Mandinka from c. 1230 to c. 1600. The empire was founded by Sundiata Keita and became renowned for the wealth of its rulers, especially Mansa Musa I. The Mali Empire had many profound cultural influences on West Africa, allowing the spread of its language, laws and customs along the Niger River. It extended over a large area and consisted of numerous vassal kingdoms and provinces.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_Empire

And in that empire was the average citizen able to rise up to be president....was the average citizen able to use their brains to become a rich man.....just because it spread it's culture and laws and customs far and wide does not make it a great nation. The rulers were rich? So? GO VIKINGS!!!

I suggest that you do some research if you are SERIOUS about wanting to know the answers to your questions.

However, ANYone can pick a series of SELF-SERVING AND SELF-JUSTIFYING questions to avoid looking at history.  I suspect that you think your questions make a point.  But, if you think so, as Wildman said, you have not, so just state your point.

I could ask you and Oldsport in regard to European expansion into the Americas:

- Did the explorers and colonists whose compatriots became the Founding Fathers of the USA bring diseases which wiped out millions of people in the western hemisphere?

- Did those same people enslave the Native People (who survived the Europeans' diseases) until most of them died or were forced to retreat further and further from their own lands or were restricted to inarable, infertile land?

- Did that nation - the USA - despite the initial hospitality of Native Peoples to their settlers (even saving them from starvation in at least one case), repeatedly break treaty after treaty with the Native people whose land they stole?

Note that I have made NO reference to Black people.
O0


Enjoy your life and liberty in Obama's America.

1. The first you posted is a lie.

2. The second thing you posted is a lie.

3. The third thing you posted is a lie as well.

I don't have time right now but when I have time I'll take apart each one these lies which more than likely white radicals leftist or Black radical socialist/communist have polluted your brain with.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: CU1994 on June 10, 2013, 01:21:41 PM
Just a question here. How many predominately black or brown countries have risen to the stature of the US or even come close ? GO VIKINGS!!!



I would say  that there are no predominantly Black or Brown countries that are equal to the United States in wealth, power, or opportunity.  However, there are some emerging countries that are majority Black or Brown and some countries that do alright for themselves. Nigeria, Ghana, Brazil, Jamaica, and Cuba are examples.


Are you trying to make a point, because I think that  What is your point, if you have one.

I'm not sure if you meant in all history, but if you did. Here is something for you to consider

The Mali Empire (Manding: Nyeni;[4] English: Niani), also historically referred to as the Manden Kurufaba[1] was a West African empire of the Mandinka from c. 1230 to c. 1600. The empire was founded by Sundiata Keita and became renowned for the wealth of its rulers, especially Mansa Musa I. The Mali Empire had many profound cultural influences on West Africa, allowing the spread of its language, laws and customs along the Niger River. It extended over a large area and consisted of numerous vassal kingdoms and provinces.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_Empire

And in that empire was the average citizen able to rise up to be president....was the average citizen able to use their brains to become a rich man.....just because it spread it's culture and laws and customs far and wide does not make it a great nation. The rulers were rich? So? GO VIKINGS!!!

I suggest that you do some research if you are SERIOUS about wanting to know the answers to your questions.

However, ANYone can pick a series of SELF-SERVING AND SELF-JUSTIFYING questions to avoid looking at history.  I suspect that you think your questions make a point.  But, if you think so, as Wildman said, you have not, so just state your point.

I could ask you and Oldsport in regard to European expansion into the Americas:

- Did the explorers and colonists whose compatriots became the Founding Fathers of the USA bring diseases which wiped out millions of people in the western hemisphere?

- Did those same people enslave the Native People (who survived the Europeans' diseases) until most of them died or were forced to retreat further and further from their own lands or were restricted to inarable, infertile land?

- Did that nation - the USA - despite the initial hospitality of Native Peoples to their settlers (even saving them from starvation in at least one case), repeatedly break treaty after treaty with the Native people whose land they stole?

Note that I have made NO reference to Black people.
O0


You took the words right out of my mouth. I'm so disgusted with old Sport's responses to this thread I feel sick. It really bothers me for black folk to talk like Old Sport. I can live with Uchi because he is white but it really makes me wonder how many people of African descent think like OS.  :'(
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: oldsport on June 10, 2013, 01:25:58 PM
Just a question here. How many predominately black or brown countries have risen to the stature of the US or even come close ? GO VIKINGS!!!



I would say  that there are no predominantly Black or Brown countries that are equal to the United States in wealth, power, or opportunity.  However, there are some emerging countries that are majority Black or Brown and some countries that do alright for themselves. Nigeria, Ghana, Brazil, Jamaica, and Cuba are examples.


Are you trying to make a point, because I think that  What is your point, if you have one.

I'm not sure if you meant in all history, but if you did. Here is something for you to consider

The Mali Empire (Manding: Nyeni;[4] English: Niani), also historically referred to as the Manden Kurufaba[1] was a West African empire of the Mandinka from c. 1230 to c. 1600. The empire was founded by Sundiata Keita and became renowned for the wealth of its rulers, especially Mansa Musa I. The Mali Empire had many profound cultural influences on West Africa, allowing the spread of its language, laws and customs along the Niger River. It extended over a large area and consisted of numerous vassal kingdoms and provinces.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_Empire

And in that empire was the average citizen able to rise up to be president....was the average citizen able to use their brains to become a rich man.....just because it spread it's culture and laws and customs far and wide does not make it a great nation. The rulers were rich? So? GO VIKINGS!!!

I suggest that you do some research if you are SERIOUS about wanting to know the answers to your questions.

However, ANYone can pick a series of SELF-SERVING AND SELF-JUSTIFYING questions to avoid looking at history.  I suspect that you think your questions make a point.  But, if you think so, as Wildman said, you have not, so just state your point.

I could ask you and Oldsport in regard to European expansion into the Americas:

- Did the explorers and colonists whose compatriots became the Founding Fathers of the USA bring diseases which wiped out millions of people in the western hemisphere?

- Did those same people enslave the Native People (who survived the Europeans' diseases) until most of them died or were forced to retreat further and further from their own lands or were restricted to inarable, infertile land?

- Did that nation - the USA - despite the initial hospitality of Native Peoples to their settlers (even saving them from starvation in at least one case), repeatedly break treaty after treaty with the Native people whose land they stole?

Note that I have made NO reference to Black people.
O0


You took the words right out of my mouth. I'm so disgusted with old Sport's responses to this thread I feel sick. It really bothers me for black folk to talk like Old Sport. I can live with Uchi because he is white but it really makes me wonder how many people of African descent think like OS.  :'(



You asked, "...how many people of African descent think like OS"?  Only those who have their heads on in the right place. The rest of you K----s who are living off American freedom and liberty and hating your country of birth are the ones who are F'd up. You need to just get the hell out. Oh wait a minute, Barry is transforming it.....and taking your dyam freedoms and liberties away. The sad thing is you stupid K----s don't even see it happening because you're blinded by the spectrum of his supposed blackness (NOT). YOU DYAM IDIOTS.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Bison66 on June 10, 2013, 01:28:05 PM

Enjoy your life and liberty in Obama's America.

1. The first you posted is a lie.

2. The second thing you posted is a lie.

3. The third thing you posted is a lie as well.

I don't have time right now but when I have time I'll take apart each one these lies which more than likely white radicals leftist or Black radical socialist/communist have polluted your brain with.

Says the poster with NO CLUE about actual history and who believes the Michele Bachmann version of history.
 :lmao:    :lmao:    :lmao:

Oldsport, THIS will be yet another example of your talking big stuff only to disappear again.

You did it with your "threats"   :lmao:   :lmao: to post contradictions in Obama's book.

You did it when you said you were going to debate.

And other times as well when you said you were coming back but ran off as usual.

All hat and no cattle.
O0
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: CU1994 on June 10, 2013, 02:40:19 PM
Just a question here. How many predominately black or brown countries have risen to the stature of the US or even come close ? GO VIKINGS!!!



I would say  that there are no predominantly Black or Brown countries that are equal to the United States in wealth, power, or opportunity.  However, there are some emerging countries that are majority Black or Brown and some countries that do alright for themselves. Nigeria, Ghana, Brazil, Jamaica, and Cuba are examples.


Are you trying to make a point, because I think that  What is your point, if you have one.

I'm not sure if you meant in all history, but if you did. Here is something for you to consider

The Mali Empire (Manding: Nyeni;[4] English: Niani), also historically referred to as the Manden Kurufaba[1] was a West African empire of the Mandinka from c. 1230 to c. 1600. The empire was founded by Sundiata Keita and became renowned for the wealth of its rulers, especially Mansa Musa I. The Mali Empire had many profound cultural influences on West Africa, allowing the spread of its language, laws and customs along the Niger River. It extended over a large area and consisted of numerous vassal kingdoms and provinces.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_Empire

And in that empire was the average citizen able to rise up to be president....was the average citizen able to use their brains to become a rich man.....just because it spread it's culture and laws and customs far and wide does not make it a great nation. The rulers were rich? So? GO VIKINGS!!!

I suggest that you do some research if you are SERIOUS about wanting to know the answers to your questions.

However, ANYone can pick a series of SELF-SERVING AND SELF-JUSTIFYING questions to avoid looking at history.  I suspect that you think your questions make a point.  But, if you think so, as Wildman said, you have not, so just state your point.

I could ask you and Oldsport in regard to European expansion into the Americas:

- Did the explorers and colonists whose compatriots became the Founding Fathers of the USA bring diseases which wiped out millions of people in the western hemisphere?

- Did those same people enslave the Native People (who survived the Europeans' diseases) until most of them died or were forced to retreat further and further from their own lands or were restricted to inarable, infertile land?

- Did that nation - the USA - despite the initial hospitality of Native Peoples to their settlers (even saving them from starvation in at least one case), repeatedly break treaty after treaty with the Native people whose land they stole?

Note that I have made NO reference to Black people.
O0


You took the words right out of my mouth. I'm so disgusted with old Sport's responses to this thread I feel sick. It really bothers me for black folk to talk like Old Sport. I can live with Uchi because he is white but it really makes me wonder how many people of African descent think like OS.  :'(



You asked, "...how many people of African descent think like OS"?  Only those who have their heads on in the right place. The rest of you K----s who are living off American freedom and liberty and hating your country of birth are the ones who are F'd up. You need to just get the hell out. Oh wait a minute, Barry is transforming it.....and taking your dyam freedoms and liberties away. The sad thing is you stupid K----s don't even see it happening because you're blinded by the spectrum of his supposed blackness (NOT). YOU DYAM IDIOTS.

Speechless.  :no:
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: oldsport on June 10, 2013, 03:13:10 PM
Just a question here. How many predominately black or brown countries have risen to the stature of the US or even come close ? GO VIKINGS!!!



I would say  that there are no predominantly Black or Brown countries that are equal to the United States in wealth, power, or opportunity.  However, there are some emerging countries that are majority Black or Brown and some countries that do alright for themselves. Nigeria, Ghana, Brazil, Jamaica, and Cuba are examples.


Are you trying to make a point, because I think that  What is your point, if you have one.

I'm not sure if you meant in all history, but if you did. Here is something for you to consider

The Mali Empire (Manding: Nyeni;[4] English: Niani), also historically referred to as the Manden Kurufaba[1] was a West African empire of the Mandinka from c. 1230 to c. 1600. The empire was founded by Sundiata Keita and became renowned for the wealth of its rulers, especially Mansa Musa I. The Mali Empire had many profound cultural influences on West Africa, allowing the spread of its language, laws and customs along the Niger River. It extended over a large area and consisted of numerous vassal kingdoms and provinces.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_Empire

And in that empire was the average citizen able to rise up to be president....was the average citizen able to use their brains to become a rich man.....just because it spread it's culture and laws and customs far and wide does not make it a great nation. The rulers were rich? So? GO VIKINGS!!!

I suggest that you do some research if you are SERIOUS about wanting to know the answers to your questions.

However, ANYone can pick a series of SELF-SERVING AND SELF-JUSTIFYING questions to avoid looking at history.  I suspect that you think your questions make a point.  But, if you think so, as Wildman said, you have not, so just state your point.

I could ask you and Oldsport in regard to European expansion into the Americas:

- Did the explorers and colonists whose compatriots became the Founding Fathers of the USA bring diseases which wiped out millions of people in the western hemisphere?

- Did those same people enslave the Native People (who survived the Europeans' diseases) until most of them died or were forced to retreat further and further from their own lands or were restricted to inarable, infertile land?

- Did that nation - the USA - despite the initial hospitality of Native Peoples to their settlers (even saving them from starvation in at least one case), repeatedly break treaty after treaty with the Native people whose land they stole?

Note that I have made NO reference to Black people.
O0


You took the words right out of my mouth. I'm so disgusted with old Sport's responses to this thread I feel sick. It really bothers me for black folk to talk like Old Sport. I can live with Uchi because he is white but it really makes me wonder how many people of African descent think like OS.  :'(



You asked, "...how many people of African descent think like OS"?  Only those who have their heads on in the right place. The rest of you K----s who are living off American freedom and liberty and hating your country of birth are the ones who are F'd up. You need to just get the hell out. Oh wait a minute, Barry is transforming it.....and taking your dyam freedoms and liberties away. The sad thing is you stupid K----s don't even see it happening because you're blinded by the spectrum of his supposed blackness (NOT). YOU DYAM IDIOTS.

Speechless.  :no:

Yes, your speechless - IDIOT. You dyam fool.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Wildman78 on June 10, 2013, 03:45:44 PM
Still waiting for Oldsport to explain these comments:

Quote
......God help this nation if it ever turns majority Black or Brown. And you know it K----[Negroes].


and

Quote
[If America turns black or brown] I truly hope I am dead, because the United States of America the nation of liberty, justice and freedom will be over.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: uchighlander on June 10, 2013, 05:45:43 PM
Just a question here. How many predominately black or brown countries have risen to the stature of the US or even come close ? GO VIKINGS!!!



I would say  that there are no predominantly Black or Brown countries that are equal to the United States in wealth, power, or opportunity.  However, there are some emerging countries that are majority Black or Brown and some countries that do alright for themselves. Nigeria, Ghana, Brazil, Jamaica, and Cuba are examples.


Are you trying to make a point, because I think that  What is your point, if you have one.

I'm not sure if you meant in all history, but if you did. Here is something for you to consider

The Mali Empire (Manding: Nyeni;[4] English: Niani), also historically referred to as the Manden Kurufaba[1] was a West African empire of the Mandinka from c. 1230 to c. 1600. The empire was founded by Sundiata Keita and became renowned for the wealth of its rulers, especially Mansa Musa I. The Mali Empire had many profound cultural influences on West Africa, allowing the spread of its language, laws and customs along the Niger River. It extended over a large area and consisted of numerous vassal kingdoms and provinces.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_Empire

And in that empire was the average citizen able to rise up to be president....was the average citizen able to use their brains to become a rich man.....just because it spread it's culture and laws and customs far and wide does not make it a great nation. The rulers were rich? So? GO VIKINGS!!!

I suggest that you do some research if you are SERIOUS about wanting to know the answers to your questions.

However, ANYone can pick a series of SELF-SERVING AND SELF-JUSTIFYING questions to avoid looking at history.  I suspect that you think your questions make a point.  But, if you think so, as Wildman said, you have not, so just state your point.

I could ask you and Oldsport in regard to European expansion into the Americas:

- Did the explorers and colonists whose compatriots became the Founding Fathers of the USA bring diseases which wiped out millions of people in the western hemisphere?

- Did those same people enslave the Native People (who survived the Europeans' diseases) until most of them died or were forced to retreat further and further from their own lands or were restricted to inarable, infertile land?

- Did that nation - the USA - despite the initial hospitality of Native Peoples to their settlers (even saving them from starvation in at least one case), repeatedly break treaty after treaty with the Native people whose land they stole?

Note that I have made NO reference to Black people.
O0

I made my point when I asked my initial question. It's obvious you guys have no answer based on your responses....all you can do is spin off in all directions....something you are very good at.....then you say the conservatives on this board are  dodging your questions or running from facts when the facts are that you are dodging the questions. GO VIKINGS!!!
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: CU1994 on June 10, 2013, 05:58:17 PM
Just a question here. How many predominately black or brown countries have risen to the stature of the US or even come close ? GO VIKINGS!!!



I would say  that there are no predominantly Black or Brown countries that are equal to the United States in wealth, power, or opportunity.  However, there are some emerging countries that are majority Black or Brown and some countries that do alright for themselves. Nigeria, Ghana, Brazil, Jamaica, and Cuba are examples.


Are you trying to make a point, because I think that  What is your point, if you have one.

I'm not sure if you meant in all history, but if you did. Here is something for you to consider

The Mali Empire (Manding: Nyeni;[4] English: Niani), also historically referred to as the Manden Kurufaba[1] was a West African empire of the Mandinka from c. 1230 to c. 1600. The empire was founded by Sundiata Keita and became renowned for the wealth of its rulers, especially Mansa Musa I. The Mali Empire had many profound cultural influences on West Africa, allowing the spread of its language, laws and customs along the Niger River. It extended over a large area and consisted of numerous vassal kingdoms and provinces.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_Empire

And in that empire was the average citizen able to rise up to be president....was the average citizen able to use their brains to become a rich man.....just because it spread it's culture and laws and customs far and wide does not make it a great nation. The rulers were rich? So? GO VIKINGS!!!

I suggest that you do some research if you are SERIOUS about wanting to know the answers to your questions.

However, ANYone can pick a series of SELF-SERVING AND SELF-JUSTIFYING questions to avoid looking at history.  I suspect that you think your questions make a point.  But, if you think so, as Wildman said, you have not, so just state your point.

I could ask you and Oldsport in regard to European expansion into the Americas:

- Did the explorers and colonists whose compatriots became the Founding Fathers of the USA bring diseases which wiped out millions of people in the western hemisphere?

- Did those same people enslave the Native People (who survived the Europeans' diseases) until most of them died or were forced to retreat further and further from their own lands or were restricted to inarable, infertile land?

- Did that nation - the USA - despite the initial hospitality of Native Peoples to their settlers (even saving them from starvation in at least one case), repeatedly break treaty after treaty with the Native people whose land they stole?

Note that I have made NO reference to Black people.
O0

I made my point when I asked my initial question. It's obvious you guys have no answer based on your responses....all you can do is spin off in all directions....something you are very good at.....then you say the conservatives on this board are  dodging your questions or running from facts when the facts are that you are dodging the questions. GO VIKINGS!!!

Your initial question was answered more than once. The problem is you're ignorant of history. It's obvious you are of the same thought as OS, so I'm not sure why you even asked your initial question.  :shrug: you obviously believe you have the answer.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Wildman78 on June 10, 2013, 06:15:31 PM
I made my point when I asked my initial question. It's obvious you guys have no answer based on your responses....all you can do is spin off in all directions....something you are very good at.....then you say the conservatives on this board are  dodging your questions or running from facts when the facts are that you are dodging the questions. GO VIKINGS!!!

I answered your initial question directly. You would be hard pressed to explain in what manner did I fail to address your question.

However, I'm not sure what your point is. I'd hate to make an incorrect assumption.  Woud you mind expessly stating what was the point of your initial question.

Still waiting for Oldsport to tell me what he means when he says:

Quote
......God help this nation if it ever turns majority Black or Brown. And you know it K----[Negroes].

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[If America turns black or brown] I truly hope I am dead, because the United States of America the nation of liberty, justice and freedom will be over.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Bison66 on June 10, 2013, 09:05:30 PM
Just a question here. How many predominately black or brown countries have risen to the stature of the US or even come close ? GO VIKINGS!!!

Seeking clarification:

Is this the "initial question" that you are referencing?

If so, are you saying that we can draw from THAT question what your "point" is?
O0

P.S. Both Wildman and I answered your question with examples.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: oldsport on June 11, 2013, 07:14:19 AM
Just a question here. How many predominately black or brown countries have risen to the stature of the US or even come close ? GO VIKINGS!!!

Seeking clarification:

Is this the "initial question" that you are referencing?

If so, are you saying that we can draw from THAT question what your "point" is?
O0

P.S. Both Wildman and I answered your question with examples.

I think u's point is obvious. The achievements and advancements of European style western civilization eclipse anything even imagined or achieved by the civilizations you mentioned. Stop hating on the white man for his achievements and advancements. You enjoy the freedoms and liberties you have living in this country as well as the conveniences provided from the same.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Wildman78 on June 11, 2013, 07:59:17 AM
Just a question here. How many predominately black or brown countries have risen to the stature of the US or even come close ? GO VIKINGS!!!

Seeking clarification:

Is this the "initial question" that you are referencing?

If so, are you saying that we can draw from THAT question what your "point" is?
O0

P.S. Both Wildman and I answered your question with examples.

I think u's point is obvious. The achievements and advancements of European style western civilization eclipse anything even imagined or achieved by the civilizations you mentioned. Stop hating on the white man for his achievements and advancements. You enjoy the freedoms and liberties you have living in this country as well as the conveniences provided from the same.

That is a strawman argument if ever there was one.  I certainly have not posted anything in this thread that would suggest I hate the White man.  My response to ucihighlander's post was direct.

Quote
I would say  that there are no predominantly Black or Brown countries that are equal to the United States in wealth, power, or opportunity.

I have no problem recognizing the achievements  and contributions of Western Europeans with respect to human civilization.

However, it's one thing to recognize the achievements and contributions of Western Europeans to civilization and quite another thing to suggest  that a United States with a majority of Black and Brown would surely fail.  That smacks of White Supremacy, and you don't seem to mind that it smacks of White Supremacy.

I will keep reminding the board of what you said:

Quote
......God help this nation if it ever turns majority Black or Brown. And you know it K----[Negroes].



Quote
[If America turns black or brown] I truly hope I am dead, because the United States of America the nation of liberty, justice and freedom will be over.

 :no: :( :'(
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: CU1994 on June 11, 2013, 08:33:19 AM
Just a question here. How many predominately black or brown countries have risen to the stature of the US or even come close ? GO VIKINGS!!!

Seeking clarification:

Is this the "initial question" that you are referencing?

If so, are you saying that we can draw from THAT question what your "point" is?
O0

P.S. Both Wildman and I answered your question with examples.

I think u's point is obvious. The achievements and advancements of European style western civilization eclipse anything even imagined or achieved by the civilizations you mentioned. Stop hating on the white man for his achievements and advancements. You enjoy the freedoms and liberties you have living in this country as well as the conveniences provided from the same.

That is a strawman argument if ever there was one.  I certainly have not posted anything in this thread that would suggest I hate the White man.  My response to ucihighlander's post was direct.

Quote
I would say  that there are no predominantly Black or Brown countries that are equal to the United States in wealth, power, or opportunity.

I have no problem recognizing the achievements  and contributions of Western Europeans with respect to human civilization.

However, it's one thing to recognize the achievements and contributions of Western Europeans to civilization and quite another thing to suggest  that a United States with a majority of Black and Brown would surely fail.  That smacks of White Supremacy, and you don't seem to mind that it smacks of White Supremacy.

I will keep reminding the board of what you said:

Quote
......God help this nation if it ever turns majority Black or Brown. And you know it K----[Negroes].



Quote
[If America turns black or brown] I truly hope I am dead, because the United States of America the nation of liberty, justice and freedom will be over.

 :no: :( :'(


He's not recognizing, he is overstating western civilization and understating the rest of the world. This is the classic supremest way of thinking. He mentions the freedoms we enjoy and the forefathers. The forefathers of this country did not intend for everyone to have those freedoms. Women, black and brown people were not included. Furthermore, the achievements of black and brown people in the area of invention and civilization was second to none until Europeans took the CHINESE invention of gun powder and turned it into a weapon of destruction. This allowed western nations to take over black and brown nations and use them for their gain. Black and Brown nations were never allowed to develop at their own pace because of imperialism which still influences the political and economic development of many black and brown nations to this day. It's truly sad when you have a so called black man as ignorant of history as Old Sport. I pray that he does not have children or work in any way with black children.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Wildman78 on June 11, 2013, 08:54:56 AM

He's not recognizing, he is overstating western civilization and understating the rest of the world. This is the classic supremest way of thinking. He mentions the freedoms we enjoy and the forefathers. The forefathers of this country did not intend for everyone to have those freedoms. Women, black and brown people were not included. Furthermore, the achievements of black and brown people in the area of invention and civilization was second to none until Europeans took the CHINESE invention of gun powder and turned it into a weapon of destruction. This allowed western nations to take over black and brown nations and use them for their gain. Black and Brown nations were never allowed to develop at their own pace because of imperialism which still influences the political and economic development of many black and brown nations to this day. It's truly sad when you have a so called black man as ignorant of history as Old Sport. I pray that he does not have children or work in any way with black children.

He would love for this discussion to be about which race of people has contributed the most to human civilization, Black, Brown, Yellow or White people. That way, he can avoid discussing what he meant when he said:

Quote
......God help this nation if it ever turns majority Black or Brown. And you know it K----[Negroes].


Quote
[If America turns black or brown] I truly hope I am dead, because the United States of America the nation of liberty, justice and freedom will be over.

I want him to explain, if he can,  how those statements do not reflect his belief in White  supremacy.  

Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: CU1994 on June 11, 2013, 09:26:37 AM

He's not recognizing, he is overstating western civilization and understating the rest of the world. This is the classic supremest way of thinking. He mentions the freedoms we enjoy and the forefathers. The forefathers of this country did not intend for everyone to have those freedoms. Women, black and brown people were not included. Furthermore, the achievements of black and brown people in the area of invention and civilization was second to none until Europeans took the CHINESE invention of gun powder and turned it into a weapon of destruction. This allowed western nations to take over black and brown nations and use them for their gain. Black and Brown nations were never allowed to develop at their own pace because of imperialism which still influences the political and economic development of many black and brown nations to this day. It's truly sad when you have a so called black man as ignorant of history as Old Sport. I pray that he does not have children or work in any way with black children.

He would love for the discussions to be who has contributed the most to human civilization, Black, Brown, Yellow or White people. That way, he can avoid discussing what he meant when he said:

Quote
......God help this nation if it ever turns majority Black or Brown. And you know it K----[Negroes].


Quote
[If America turns black or brown] I truly hope I am dead, because the United States of America the nation of liberty, justice and freedom will be over.

I want him to explain, if he can,  how those statements do not reflect his belief in White  supremacy. 



Wildman, he can't explain. He has pretty much admitted that he is a white supremest. He probably hopes for the demise of all black and brown people.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: oldsport on June 11, 2013, 10:30:10 AM

He's not recognizing, he is overstating western civilization and understating the rest of the world. This is the classic supremest way of thinking. He mentions the freedoms we enjoy and the forefathers. The forefathers of this country did not intend for everyone to have those freedoms. Women, black and brown people were not included. Furthermore, the achievements of black and brown people in the area of invention and civilization was second to none until Europeans took the CHINESE invention of gun powder and turned it into a weapon of destruction. This allowed western nations to take over black and brown nations and use them for their gain. Black and Brown nations were never allowed to develop at their own pace because of imperialism which still influences the political and economic development of many black and brown nations to this day. It's truly sad when you have a so called black man as ignorant of history as Old Sport. I pray that he does not have children or work in any way with black children.

He would love for the discussions to be who has contributed the most to human civilization, Black, Brown, Yellow or White people. That way, he can avoid discussing what he meant when he said:

Quote
......God help this nation if it ever turns majority Black or Brown. And you know it K----[Negroes].


Quote
[If America turns black or brown] I truly hope I am dead, because the United States of America the nation of liberty, justice and freedom will be over.

I want him to explain, if he can,  how those statements do not reflect his belief in White  supremacy. 



Wildman, he can't explain. He has pretty much admitted that he is a white supremest. He probably hopes for the demise of all black and brown people.

You're a complete IDIOT!
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: CU1994 on June 11, 2013, 10:58:28 AM

He's not recognizing, he is overstating western civilization and understating the rest of the world. This is the classic supremest way of thinking. He mentions the freedoms we enjoy and the forefathers. The forefathers of this country did not intend for everyone to have those freedoms. Women, black and brown people were not included. Furthermore, the achievements of black and brown people in the area of invention and civilization was second to none until Europeans took the CHINESE invention of gun powder and turned it into a weapon of destruction. This allowed western nations to take over black and brown nations and use them for their gain. Black and Brown nations were never allowed to develop at their own pace because of imperialism which still influences the political and economic development of many black and brown nations to this day. It's truly sad when you have a so called black man as ignorant of history as Old Sport. I pray that he does not have children or work in any way with black children.

He would love for the discussions to be who has contributed the most to human civilization, Black, Brown, Yellow or White people. That way, he can avoid discussing what he meant when he said:

Quote
......God help this nation if it ever turns majority Black or Brown. And you know it K----[Negroes].


Quote
[If America turns black or brown] I truly hope I am dead, because the United States of America the nation of liberty, justice and freedom will be over.

I want him to explain, if he can,  how those statements do not reflect his belief in White  supremacy. 



Wildman, he can't explain. He has pretty much admitted that he is a white supremest. He probably hopes for the demise of all black and brown people.

You're a complete IDIOT!

And you're a white supremest.  :no:
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: uchighlander on June 11, 2013, 11:10:00 AM
Just a question here. How many predominately black or brown countries have risen to the stature of the US or even come close ? GO VIKINGS!!!



I would say  that there are no predominantly Black or Brown countries that are equal to the United States in wealth, power, or opportunity.  However, there are some emerging countries that are majority Black or Brown and some countries that do alright for themselves. Nigeria, Ghana, Brazil, Jamaica, and Cuba are examples.


Are you trying to make a point, because I think that  What is your point, if you have one.

I'm not sure if you meant in all history, but if you did. Here is something for you to consider

The Mali Empire (Manding: Nyeni;[4] English: Niani), also historically referred to as the Manden Kurufaba[1] was a West African empire of the Mandinka from c. 1230 to c. 1600. The empire was founded by Sundiata Keita and became renowned for the wealth of its rulers, especially Mansa Musa I. The Mali Empire had many profound cultural influences on West Africa, allowing the spread of its language, laws and customs along the Niger River. It extended over a large area and consisted of numerous vassal kingdoms and provinces.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_Empire

And in that empire was the average citizen able to rise up to be president....was the average citizen able to use their brains to become a rich man.....just because it spread it's culture and laws and customs far and wide does not make it a great nation. The rulers were rich? So? GO VIKINGS!!!

I suggest that you do some research if you are SERIOUS about wanting to know the answers to your questions.

However, ANYone can pick a series of SELF-SERVING AND SELF-JUSTIFYING questions to avoid looking at history.  I suspect that you think your questions make a point.  But, if you think so, as Wildman said, you have not, so just state your point.

I could ask you and Oldsport in regard to European expansion into the Americas:

- Did the explorers and colonists whose compatriots became the Founding Fathers of the USA bring diseases which wiped out millions of people in the western hemisphere?

- Did those same people enslave the Native People (who survived the Europeans' diseases) until most of them died or were forced to retreat further and further from their own lands or were restricted to inarable, infertile land?

- Did that nation - the USA - despite the initial hospitality of Native Peoples to their settlers (even saving them from starvation in at least one case), repeatedly break treaty after treaty with the Native people whose land they stole?

Note that I have made NO reference to Black people.
O0

I made my point when I asked my initial question. It's obvious you guys have no answer based on your responses....all you can do is spin off in all directions....something you are very good at.....then you say the conservatives on this board are  dodging your questions or running from facts when the facts are that you are dodging the questions. GO VIKINGS!!!

Your initial question was answered more than once. The problem is you're ignorant of history. It's obvious you are of the same thought as OS, so I'm not sure why you even asked your initial question.  :shrug: you obviously believe you have the answer.
Only one poster tried to remotely answer my question. My question was very straightforward and uncomplcated....nothing tricky.....yet you guys give a disertation as if that is supposed to impress me.....it doesn't. GO VIKINGS!!!
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Bison66 on June 11, 2013, 12:48:18 PM

He's not recognizing, he is overstating western civilization and understating the rest of the world. This is the classic supremest way of thinking. He mentions the freedoms we enjoy and the forefathers. The forefathers of this country did not intend for everyone to have those freedoms. Women, black and brown people were not included. Furthermore, the achievements of black and brown people in the area of invention and civilization was second to none until Europeans took the CHINESE invention of gun powder and turned it into a weapon of destruction. This allowed western nations to take over black and brown nations and use them for their gain. Black and Brown nations were never allowed to develop at their own pace because of imperialism which still influences the political and economic development of many black and brown nations to this day. It's truly sad when you have a so called black man as ignorant of history as Old Sport. I pray that he does not have children or work in any way with black children.
CO - SIGN!!!!
O0
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Bison66 on June 11, 2013, 01:07:47 PM
Just a question here. How many predominately black or brown countries have risen to the stature of the US or even come close ? GO VIKINGS!!!

Seeking clarification:

Is this the "initial question" that you are referencing?

If so, are you saying that we can draw from THAT question what your "point" is?
O0

P.S. Both Wildman and I answered your question with examples.

I think u's point is obvious. The achievements and advancements of European style western civilization eclipse anything even imagined or achieved by the civilizations you mentioned. Stop hating on the white man for his achievements and advancements. You enjoy the freedoms and liberties you have living in this country as well as the conveniences provided from the same.

UCHI,
SO,......are you going to accuse OS of putting words in your mouth?

I will take silence as assent.

Meanwhile, I take your reply about "dissertations" as clear evidence that I correctly identified your "initial question."

If so, it was not a question at all, but an unsubstantiated assertion masquerading as an honest inquiry.  (Note your preamble: "Just a question here.")  Were you afraid to make the same kind of statement that OS so boldly and incorrectly made?

I don't blame you for falling under the influence of the highly prejudicial, self-serving and self-justifiying education all of us were exposed in the USA.  Over that we had little choice.  However, as grown people we have a CHOICE to continue to accept that pablum as the actual history of the world OR to pursue our own studies to determine how much of what we were taught is accurate.

The "dissertations" you dismiss and deride were an honest attempt to demonstrate to you (and others) that there is more than ONE story in history.  But either your acceptance of the "legacy of disbelief" is too strong or you have little or no interest in broadening your understanding of history and are content to stay with pablum.

Stay ignorant like OS, but don't think for a moment that either of you will pass that crap off here as factual without being challenged.   

History IS a weapon and Europeans/whites have molded it into a WMD against Black and Brown people for centuries.  We have armed ourselves in self-defense and the scholarly challenges being made to monopolistic HIStory , of course, contradict the self-image of whites and white supremacy believing others.
O0
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Meciber 202 on June 11, 2013, 02:05:55 PM
^^^ Yep willful ignorance rearing its head again :nod:

....... and that's one thing I don't do well :nono2:
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: oldsport on June 11, 2013, 02:06:27 PM
Just a question here. How many predominately black or brown countries have risen to the stature of the US or even come close ? GO VIKINGS!!!

Seeking clarification:

Is this the "initial question" that you are referencing?

If so, are you saying that we can draw from THAT question what your "point" is?
O0

P.S. Both Wildman and I answered your question with examples.

I think u's point is obvious. The achievements and advancements of European style western civilization eclipse anything even imagined or achieved by the civilizations you mentioned. Stop hating on the white man for his achievements and advancements. You enjoy the freedoms and liberties you have living in this country as well as the conveniences provided from the same.

That is a strawman argument if ever there was one.  I certainly have not posted anything in this thread that would suggest I hate the White man.  My response to ucihighlander's post was direct.

Quote
I would say  that there are no predominantly Black or Brown countries that are equal to the United States in wealth, power, or opportunity.

I have no problem recognizing the achievements  and contributions of Western Europeans with respect to human civilization.

However, it's one thing to recognize the achievements and contributions of Western Europeans to civilization and quite another thing to suggest  that a United States with a majority of Black and Brown would surely fail.  That smacks of White Supremacy, and you don't seem to mind that it smacks of White Supremacy.

I will keep reminding the board of what you said:

Quote
......God help this nation if it ever turns majority Black or Brown. And you know it K----[Negroes].



Quote
[If America turns black or brown] I truly hope I am dead, because the United States of America the nation of liberty, justice and freedom will be over.

 :no: :( :'(


He's not recognizing, he is overstating western civilization and understating the rest of the world. This is the classic supremest way of thinking. He mentions the freedoms we enjoy and the forefathers. The forefathers of this country did not intend for everyone to have those freedoms. Women, black and brown people were not included. Furthermore, the achievements of black and brown people in the area of invention and civilization was second to none until Europeans took the CHINESE invention of gun powder and turned it into a weapon of destruction. This allowed western nations to take over black and brown nations and use them for their gain. Black and Brown nations were never allowed to develop at their own pace because of imperialism which still influences the political and economic development of many black and brown nations to this day. It's truly sad when you have a so called black man as ignorant of history as Old Sport. I pray that he does not have children or work in any way with black children.

You call the clap trap you posted accurate history. Mum, how do you explain development in the orient (i.e. China, Japan and South Korea). Man get real. Sub-Sahara Africa is a retarded place not because of whites (or imperialism). The modicum of modernity and technological means this part of the world enjoys is owed to the Western European inventiveness (medicine, electronic, etc.) and ingenuity. Now, the Chinese are in there trying to drag them kicking and screaming into the 21st Century.

 :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: CU1994 on June 11, 2013, 02:09:33 PM
Just a question here. How many predominately black or brown countries have risen to the stature of the US or even come close ? GO VIKINGS!!!

Seeking clarification:

Is this the "initial question" that you are referencing?

If so, are you saying that we can draw from THAT question what your "point" is?
O0

P.S. Both Wildman and I answered your question with examples.

I think u's point is obvious. The achievements and advancements of European style western civilization eclipse anything even imagined or achieved by the civilizations you mentioned. Stop hating on the white man for his achievements and advancements. You enjoy the freedoms and liberties you have living in this country as well as the conveniences provided from the same.

That is a strawman argument if ever there was one.  I certainly have not posted anything in this thread that would suggest I hate the White man.  My response to ucihighlander's post was direct.

Quote
I would say  that there are no predominantly Black or Brown countries that are equal to the United States in wealth, power, or opportunity.

I have no problem recognizing the achievements  and contributions of Western Europeans with respect to human civilization.

However, it's one thing to recognize the achievements and contributions of Western Europeans to civilization and quite another thing to suggest  that a United States with a majority of Black and Brown would surely fail.  That smacks of White Supremacy, and you don't seem to mind that it smacks of White Supremacy.

I will keep reminding the board of what you said:

Quote
......God help this nation if it ever turns majority Black or Brown. And you know it K----[Negroes].



Quote
[If America turns black or brown] I truly hope I am dead, because the United States of America the nation of liberty, justice and freedom will be over.

 :no: :( :'(


He's not recognizing, he is overstating western civilization and understating the rest of the world. This is the classic supremest way of thinking. He mentions the freedoms we enjoy and the forefathers. The forefathers of this country did not intend for everyone to have those freedoms. Women, black and brown people were not included. Furthermore, the achievements of black and brown people in the area of invention and civilization was second to none until Europeans took the CHINESE invention of gun powder and turned it into a weapon of destruction. This allowed western nations to take over black and brown nations and use them for their gain. Black and Brown nations were never allowed to develop at their own pace because of imperialism which still influences the political and economic development of many black and brown nations to this day. It's truly sad when you have a so called black man as ignorant of history as Old Sport. I pray that he does not have children or work in any way with black children.

You call the clap trap you posted accurate history. Mum, how do you explain development in the orient (i.e. China, Japan and South Korea). Man get real. Sub-Sahara Africa is a retarded place not because of whites (or imperialism). The modicum of modernity and technological means this part of the world enjoys is owed to the Western inventiveness (medicine, electronic, etc.) and ingenuity.

 :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Lord have mercy. :no:
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: oldsport on June 11, 2013, 02:12:36 PM
Just a question here. How many predominately black or brown countries have risen to the stature of the US or even come close ? GO VIKINGS!!!

Seeking clarification:

Is this the "initial question" that you are referencing?

If so, are you saying that we can draw from THAT question what your "point" is?
O0

P.S. Both Wildman and I answered your question with examples.

I think u's point is obvious. The achievements and advancements of European style western civilization eclipse anything even imagined or achieved by the civilizations you mentioned. Stop hating on the white man for his achievements and advancements. You enjoy the freedoms and liberties you have living in this country as well as the conveniences provided from the same.

That is a strawman argument if ever there was one.  I certainly have not posted anything in this thread that would suggest I hate the White man.  My response to ucihighlander's post was direct.

Quote
I would say  that there are no predominantly Black or Brown countries that are equal to the United States in wealth, power, or opportunity.

I have no problem recognizing the achievements  and contributions of Western Europeans with respect to human civilization.

However, it's one thing to recognize the achievements and contributions of Western Europeans to civilization and quite another thing to suggest  that a United States with a majority of Black and Brown would surely fail.  That smacks of White Supremacy, and you don't seem to mind that it smacks of White Supremacy.

I will keep reminding the board of what you said:

Quote
......God help this nation if it ever turns majority Black or Brown. And you know it K----[Negroes].



Quote
[If America turns black or brown] I truly hope I am dead, because the United States of America the nation of liberty, justice and freedom will be over.

 :no: :( :'(


He's not recognizing, he is overstating western civilization and understating the rest of the world. This is the classic supremest way of thinking. He mentions the freedoms we enjoy and the forefathers. The forefathers of this country did not intend for everyone to have those freedoms. Women, black and brown people were not included. Furthermore, the achievements of black and brown people in the area of invention and civilization was second to none until Europeans took the CHINESE invention of gun powder and turned it into a weapon of destruction. This allowed western nations to take over black and brown nations and use them for their gain. Black and Brown nations were never allowed to develop at their own pace because of imperialism which still influences the political and economic development of many black and brown nations to this day. It's truly sad when you have a so called black man as ignorant of history as Old Sport. I pray that he does not have children or work in any way with black children.

You call the clap trap you posted accurate history. Mum, how do you explain development in the orient (i.e. China, Japan and South Korea). Man get real. Sub-Sahara Africa is a retarded place not because of whites (or imperialism). The modicum of modernity and technological means this part of the world enjoys is owed to the Western inventiveness (medicine, electronic, etc.) and ingenuity.

 :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Lord have mercy. :no:

Counter my argument with facts K----. Not one rail system in Africa was conceived or engineered by a African. Roads and highways were conceived and constructed under the direction of Western Europeans. Hospitals and modern medicine was introduced to  Sub- Sahara Africa by Western Europeans.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: CU1994 on June 11, 2013, 02:33:01 PM
Just a question here. How many predominately black or brown countries have risen to the stature of the US or even come close ? GO VIKINGS!!!

Seeking clarification:

Is this the "initial question" that you are referencing?

If so, are you saying that we can draw from THAT question what your "point" is?
O0

P.S. Both Wildman and I answered your question with examples.

I think u's point is obvious. The achievements and advancements of European style western civilization eclipse anything even imagined or achieved by the civilizations you mentioned. Stop hating on the white man for his achievements and advancements. You enjoy the freedoms and liberties you have living in this country as well as the conveniences provided from the same.

That is a strawman argument if ever there was one.  I certainly have not posted anything in this thread that would suggest I hate the White man.  My response to ucihighlander's post was direct.

Quote
I would say  that there are no predominantly Black or Brown countries that are equal to the United States in wealth, power, or opportunity.

I have no problem recognizing the achievements  and contributions of Western Europeans with respect to human civilization.

However, it's one thing to recognize the achievements and contributions of Western Europeans to civilization and quite another thing to suggest  that a United States with a majority of Black and Brown would surely fail.  That smacks of White Supremacy, and you don't seem to mind that it smacks of White Supremacy.

I will keep reminding the board of what you said:

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......God help this nation if it ever turns majority Black or Brown. And you know it K----[Negroes].



Quote
[If America turns black or brown] I truly hope I am dead, because the United States of America the nation of liberty, justice and freedom will be over.

 :no: :( :'(


He's not recognizing, he is overstating western civilization and understating the rest of the world. This is the classic supremest way of thinking. He mentions the freedoms we enjoy and the forefathers. The forefathers of this country did not intend for everyone to have those freedoms. Women, black and brown people were not included. Furthermore, the achievements of black and brown people in the area of invention and civilization was second to none until Europeans took the CHINESE invention of gun powder and turned it into a weapon of destruction. This allowed western nations to take over black and brown nations and use them for their gain. Black and Brown nations were never allowed to develop at their own pace because of imperialism which still influences the political and economic development of many black and brown nations to this day. It's truly sad when you have a so called black man as ignorant of history as Old Sport. I pray that he does not have children or work in any way with black children.

You call the clap trap you posted accurate history. Mum, how do you explain development in the orient (i.e. China, Japan and South Korea). Man get real. Sub-Sahara Africa is a retarded place not because of whites (or imperialism). The modicum of modernity and technological means this part of the world enjoys is owed to the Western inventiveness (medicine, electronic, etc.) and ingenuity.

 :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Lord have mercy. :no:

Counter my argument with facts K----. Not one rail system in Africa was conceived or engineered by a African. Roads and highways were conceived and constructed under the direction of Western Europeans. Hospitals and modern medicine was introduced to  Sub- Sahara Africa by Western Europeans.

I assume you don't even care how ignorant you are. You said roads, highways, modern medicine, and hospitals were constructed in Sub-Sahara Africa under the direction of Europeans. Of course they were. When highways, modern so called "modern" medicine and the like were being produced in Europe, Africa was being colonized. Again, Africa was not given the opportunity to develop like some other parts of the world. You would do well to do your own research rather than parroting racist ideology. No disrespect but I'm through with you. You are as bad as the clowns on the street corner selling crack in the community.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: oldsport on June 11, 2013, 02:36:55 PM
Just a question here. How many predominately black or brown countries have risen to the stature of the US or even come close ? GO VIKINGS!!!

Seeking clarification:

Is this the "initial question" that you are referencing?

If so, are you saying that we can draw from THAT question what your "point" is?
O0

P.S. Both Wildman and I answered your question with examples.

I think u's point is obvious. The achievements and advancements of European style western civilization eclipse anything even imagined or achieved by the civilizations you mentioned. Stop hating on the white man for his achievements and advancements. You enjoy the freedoms and liberties you have living in this country as well as the conveniences provided from the same.

That is a strawman argument if ever there was one.  I certainly have not posted anything in this thread that would suggest I hate the White man.  My response to ucihighlander's post was direct.

Quote
I would say  that there are no predominantly Black or Brown countries that are equal to the United States in wealth, power, or opportunity.

I have no problem recognizing the achievements  and contributions of Western Europeans with respect to human civilization.

However, it's one thing to recognize the achievements and contributions of Western Europeans to civilization and quite another thing to suggest  that a United States with a majority of Black and Brown would surely fail.  That smacks of White Supremacy, and you don't seem to mind that it smacks of White Supremacy.

I will keep reminding the board of what you said:

Quote
......God help this nation if it ever turns majority Black or Brown. And you know it K----[Negroes].



Quote
[If America turns black or brown] I truly hope I am dead, because the United States of America the nation of liberty, justice and freedom will be over.

 :no: :( :'(


He's not recognizing, he is overstating western civilization and understating the rest of the world. This is the classic supremest way of thinking. He mentions the freedoms we enjoy and the forefathers. The forefathers of this country did not intend for everyone to have those freedoms. Women, black and brown people were not included. Furthermore, the achievements of black and brown people in the area of invention and civilization was second to none until Europeans took the CHINESE invention of gun powder and turned it into a weapon of destruction. This allowed western nations to take over black and brown nations and use them for their gain. Black and Brown nations were never allowed to develop at their own pace because of imperialism which still influences the political and economic development of many black and brown nations to this day. It's truly sad when you have a so called black man as ignorant of history as Old Sport. I pray that he does not have children or work in any way with black children.

You call the clap trap you posted accurate history. Mum, how do you explain development in the orient (i.e. China, Japan and South Korea). Man get real. Sub-Sahara Africa is a retarded place not because of whites (or imperialism). The modicum of modernity and technological means this part of the world enjoys is owed to the Western inventiveness (medicine, electronic, etc.) and ingenuity.

 :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Lord have mercy. :no:

Counter my argument with facts K----. Not one rail system in Africa was conceived or engineered by a African. Roads and highways were conceived and constructed under the direction of Western Europeans. Hospitals and modern medicine was introduced to  Sub- Sahara Africa by Western Europeans.

I assume you don't even care how ignorant you are. You said roads, highways, modern medicine, and hospitals were constructed in Sub-Sahara Africa under the direction of Europeans. Of course they were. When highways, modern so called "modern" medicine and the like were being produced in Europe, Africa was being colonized. Again, Africa was not given the opportunity to develop like some other parts of the world. You would do well to do your own research rather than parroting racist ideology. No disrespect but I'm through with you. You are as bad as the clowns on the street corner selling crack in the community.

I regret to say, Sub-Sahara Africans showed no propensity, initiative, ambition or capability to achieve or accomplish any of the things I mentioned in during the 17th, 18th, 19th or 20th Centuries colonization or not. FACT.....
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: uchighlander on June 11, 2013, 03:40:52 PM
Just a question here. How many predominately black or brown countries have risen to the stature of the US or even come close ? GO VIKINGS!!!

Seeking clarification:

Is this the "initial question" that you are referencing?

If so, are you saying that we can draw from THAT question what your "point" is?
O0

P.S. Both Wildman and I answered your question with examples.

I think u's point is obvious. The achievements and advancements of European style western civilization eclipse anything even imagined or achieved by the civilizations you mentioned. Stop hating on the white man for his achievements and advancements. You enjoy the freedoms and liberties you have living in this country as well as the conveniences provided from the same.

UCHI,
SO,......are you going to accuse OS of putting words in your mouth?

I will take silence as assent.

Meanwhile, I take your reply about "dissertations" as clear evidence that I correctly identified your "initial question."

If so, it was not a question at all, but an unsubstantiated assertion masquerading as an honest inquiry.  (Note your preamble: "Just a question here.")  Were you afraid to make the same kind of statement that OS so boldly and incorrectly made?

I don't blame you for falling under the influence of the highly prejudicial, self-serving and self-justifiying education all of us were exposed in the USA.  Over that we had little choice.  However, as grown people we have a CHOICE to continue to accept that pablum as the actual history of the world OR to pursue our own studies to determine how much of what we were taught is accurate.

The "dissertations" you dismiss and deride were an honest attempt to demonstrate to you (and others) that there is more than ONE story in history.  But either your acceptance of the "legacy of disbelief" is too strong or you have little or no interest in broadening your understanding of history and are content to stay with pablum.

Stay ignorant like OS, but don't think for a moment that either of you will pass that crap off here as factual without being challenged.   

History IS a weapon and Europeans/whites have molded it into a WMD against Black and Brown people for centuries.  We have armed ourselves in self-defense and the scholarly challenges being made to monopolistic HIStory , of course, contradict the self-image of whites and white supremacy believing others.
O0
Bison.....there you go again. Can't you and others on this board take things for face value? You are always reading something into my posts that just aren't there. I guess you answered my question regarding "face value" in your post when you talk about arming yourselves in self defense. Why do you arm yorself against me. I can't harm you in any way so let's be honest with each other. I'm not a complicated person so you aren't going to get questions or answers from me that have multiple meanings. GO VIKINGS!!!
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Wildman78 on June 11, 2013, 04:21:39 PM
I'm still waiting for Oldsport to explain exactly why these statements are not evidence of his belief in White supremacy:

Quote
God help this nation if it ever turns majority Black or Brown. And you know it K----[Negroes].


Quote
[If America turns black or brown] I truly hope I am dead, because the United States of America the nation of liberty, justice and freedom will be over.


Uchighlander, you mind telling us in your own what was the point of your inquiry?
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Bison66 on June 11, 2013, 05:06:31 PM


I think u's point is obvious. The achievements and advancements of European style western civilization eclipse anything even imagined or achieved by the civilizations you mentioned. Stop hating on the white man for his achievements and advancements. You enjoy the freedoms and liberties you have living in this country as well as the conveniences provided from the same.

UCHI,
SO,......are you going to accuse OS of putting words in your mouth?

I will take silence as assent.

Meanwhile, I take your reply about "dissertations" as clear evidence that I correctly identified your "initial question."

If so, it was not a question at all, but an unsubstantiated assertion masquerading as an honest inquiry.  (Note your preamble: "Just a question here.")  Were you afraid to make the same kind of statement that OS so boldly and incorrectly made?

I don't blame you for falling under the influence of the highly prejudicial, self-serving and self-justifiying education all of us were exposed in the USA.  Over that we had little choice.  However, as grown people we have a CHOICE to continue to accept that pablum as the actual history of the world OR to pursue our own studies to determine how much of what we were taught is accurate.

The "dissertations" you dismiss and deride were an honest attempt to demonstrate to you (and others) that there is more than ONE story in history.  But either your acceptance of the "legacy of disbelief" is too strong or you have little or no interest in broadening your understanding of history and are content to stay with pablum.

Stay ignorant like OS, but don't think for a moment that either of you will pass that crap off here as factual without being challenged.   

History IS a weapon and Europeans/whites have molded it into a WMD against Black and Brown people for centuries.  We have armed ourselves in self-defense and the scholarly challenges being made to monopolistic HIStory , of course, contradict the self-image of whites and white supremacy believing others.
O0
Bison.....there you go again. Can't you and others on this board take things for face value? You are always reading something into my posts that just aren't there. I guess you answered my question regarding "face value" in your post when you talk about arming yourselves in self defense. Why do you arm yorself against me. I can't harm you in any way so let's be honest with each other. I'm not a complicated person so you aren't going to get questions or answers from me that have multiple meanings. GO VIKINGS!!!

There is no need for arming with anything in regard to what you say because you never have citations.  Just off the top of your head and, as has been demonstrated again yesterday, VERY frequently wrong on your assertions.

Those comments by me were in general and in regard to scholars, not for you.

But I note that you still have not acknowledged or responded to my seeking clarification from you and so, again, I DO take it that Oldsport is speaking for you and that rather than an honest question you were making a statement.
O0
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: uchighlander on June 11, 2013, 05:40:11 PM


I think u's point is obvious. The achievements and advancements of European style western civilization eclipse anything even imagined or achieved by the civilizations you mentioned. Stop hating on the white man for his achievements and advancements. You enjoy the freedoms and liberties you have living in this country as well as the conveniences provided from the same.

UCHI,
SO,......are you going to accuse OS of putting words in your mouth?

I will take silence as assent.

Meanwhile, I take your reply about "dissertations" as clear evidence that I correctly identified your "initial question."

If so, it was not a question at all, but an unsubstantiated assertion masquerading as an honest inquiry.  (Note your preamble: "Just a question here.")  Were you afraid to make the same kind of statement that OS so boldly and incorrectly made?

I don't blame you for falling under the influence of the highly prejudicial, self-serving and self-justifiying education all of us were exposed in the USA.  Over that we had little choice.  However, as grown people we have a CHOICE to continue to accept that pablum as the actual history of the world OR to pursue our own studies to determine how much of what we were taught is accurate.

The "dissertations" you dismiss and deride were an honest attempt to demonstrate to you (and others) that there is more than ONE story in history.  But either your acceptance of the "legacy of disbelief" is too strong or you have little or no interest in broadening your understanding of history and are content to stay with pablum.

Stay ignorant like OS, but don't think for a moment that either of you will pass that crap off here as factual without being challenged.   

History IS a weapon and Europeans/whites have molded it into a WMD against Black and Brown people for centuries.  We have armed ourselves in self-defense and the scholarly challenges being made to monopolistic HIStory , of course, contradict the self-image of whites and white supremacy believing others.
O0
Bison.....there you go again. Can't you and others on this board take things for face value? You are always reading something into my posts that just aren't there. I guess you answered my question regarding "face value" in your post when you talk about arming yourselves in self defense. Why do you arm yorself against me. I can't harm you in any way so let's be honest with each other. I'm not a complicated person so you aren't going to get questions or answers from me that have multiple meanings. GO VIKINGS!!!

There is no need for arming with anything in regard to what you say because you never have citations.  Just off the top of your head and, as has been demonstrated again yesterday, VERY frequently wrong on your assertions.

Those comments by me were in general and in regard to scholars, not for you.

But I note that you still have not acknowledged or responded to my seeking clarification from you and so, again, I DO take it that Oldsport is speaking for you and that rather than an honest question you were making a statement.
O0
You just can't help yourself can you? :lmao: GO VIKINGS!!!
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Wildman78 on June 11, 2013, 05:59:30 PM
I'm still waiting for Oldsport to explain exactly why these statements are not evidence of his belief in White supremacy:

Quote
God help this nation if it ever turns majority Black or Brown. And you know it K----[Negroes].
[/b]

Quote
[b][If America turns black or brown] I truly hope I am dead, because the United States of America the nation of liberty, justice and freedom will be over[/b].


Uchighlander, you mind telling us in your own what was the point of your inquiry?
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: uchighlander on June 11, 2013, 06:13:27 PM
Eveyone seemed shocked....insulted....whatever you want to call it....about OS's comments so I thought.....is there a country out there that is a made up of a majority of black or brown citizens that even comes close to measuring up to the USA? I couldn't think of one so I asked the question. I figured if so many posters were that insulted they must know of one. The lack of an answer speaks volumes. GO VIKINGS!!!
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: FunCkMaster on June 11, 2013, 06:38:50 PM
The lack of an answer speaks volumes. GO VIKINGS!!!

 :shrug:There were plenty of people who answered you..Were you not paying attention? Love being obtuse??

The African civilizations of the past that were up and running things well before the folks of the Caucuses region/Europe were still trying to get themselves together...Eventually the Western peoples got their stuff together and the rest is Western HIStory..
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Ken on June 11, 2013, 06:47:29 PM
BLACK INVENTORS AND THEIR INVENTIONS LIST


http://www.blackinventions101.com/inventionslist.html
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Ken on June 11, 2013, 07:19:32 PM
The MYTH OF IMMACULATE WHITE CREATION



http://www.nathanielturner.com/10biggestmythsblackhistory.htm



Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Ken on June 11, 2013, 07:21:59 PM
HEY uci ,do you know of any black or brown country who had the benefit of over 300 years of FREE labor??


If you own a company and don't have to pay your workers-- about how much money would the company make???
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: CU1994 on June 11, 2013, 07:38:16 PM
Uchi, there is no black or bown country currently who is at the level of Anerica. There is no white country either. Keep in mind that we are in a tiny window as it relates to human existence. Societies rise and fall. America has the benefit of almost limitless natural resources which helped it develop tremendously during the industrial revolution it has favorable borders as well. I know it's not politically correct but America has been able to bully it's way to success. Just ask Native Americans. I know you would agree since government is evil right?

Sankofa
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Wildman78 on June 11, 2013, 09:46:36 PM
Eveyone seemed shocked....insulted....whatever you want to call it....about OS's comments so I thought.....is there a country out there that is a made up of a majority of black or brown citizens that even comes close to measuring up to the USA? I couldn't think of one so I asked the question. I figured if so many posters were that insulted they must know of one. The lack of an answer speaks volumes. GO VIKINGS!!!

Speaks volumes as to exactly what uchighlander?

I was shocked and insulted by Oldsports comments. Oldsport believes that if the United States becomes majority Black or Brown, "the nation of liberty, justice and freedom will be over." I still would like Oldsport to explain how those statements do not reflect a belief in White Supremacy.

You seem to be saying that because no Brown and/or Black majority as "come close" to measuring up to the USA (whatever you think that means), Oldsport's theory is valid.

Is that your point. If not, what is your point. Our "so called" lack of an answer to your inquiry speaks volumes to exactly what?  

Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: iceman4221 on June 11, 2013, 10:54:16 PM
Eveyone seemed shocked....insulted....whatever you want to call it....about OS's comments so I thought.....is there a country out there that is a made up of a majority of black or brown citizens that even comes close to measuring up to the USA? I couldn't think of one so I asked the question. I figured if so many posters were that insulted they must know of one. The lack of an answer speaks volumes. GO VIKINGS!!!

Some how, due to your lack of a response, I surmised that you either conveniently ignored my post or simply missed it, so I am doing a repost for your perusal UCHI...

Just a question here. How many predominately black or brown countries have risen to the stature of the US or even come close ? GO VIKINGS!!!

Everything in its own context and time.

While whites (Europeans) were at a very low level of civilization, there were vast, highly developed civilizations in non-white areas of the globe:
http://onnidan1.com/forum/index.php/topic,68491.0.html

O0


Non European Empires that the USA is trying to mimic from World History (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire)

List of largest Empires in World History (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_empires)

 
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: iceman4221 on June 11, 2013, 10:56:02 PM
BLACK INVENTORS AND THEIR INVENTIONS LIST


http://www.blackinventions101.com/inventionslist.html

The MYTH OF IMMACULATE WHITE CREATION



http://www.nathanielturner.com/10biggestmythsblackhistory.htm

Excellent Posts KEN!!!




Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: oldsport on June 12, 2013, 09:07:58 AM
The lack of an answer speaks volumes. GO VIKINGS!!!

 :shrug:There were plenty of people who answered you..Were you not paying attention? Love being obtuse??

The African civilizations of the past that were up and running things well before the folks of the Caucuses region/Europe were still trying to get themselves together...Eventually the Western peoples got their stuff together and the rest is Western HIStory..

BS.....
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Wildman78 on June 12, 2013, 09:29:36 AM
I was shocked and insulted by Oldsports comments. Oldsport believes that if the United States becomes majority Black or Brown, "the nation of liberty, justice and freedom will be over." I still would like Oldsport to explain how those statements do not reflect a belief in White Supremacy

Quote
God help this nation if it ever turns majority Black or Brown. And you know it K----[Negroes].

Quote
If America turns black or brown] I truly hope I am dead, because the United States of America the nation of liberty, justice and freedom will be over
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: uchighlander on June 12, 2013, 10:08:14 AM
The lack of an answer speaks volumes. GO VIKINGS!!!

 :shrug:There were plenty of people who answered you..Were you not paying attention? Love being obtuse??

The African civilizations of the past that were up and running things well before the folks of the Caucuses region/Europe were still trying to get themselves together...Eventually the Western peoples got their stuff together and the rest is Western HIStory..
Only one poster answered....or tried to answer my question. Tha rest of you tried to give me a history lesson which was not an answer to the question I asked. GO VIKINGS!!!
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: CU1994 on June 12, 2013, 10:12:23 AM
The lack of an answer speaks volumes. GO VIKINGS!!!

 :shrug:There were plenty of people who answered you..Were you not paying attention? Love being obtuse??

The African civilizations of the past that were up and running things well before the folks of the Caucuses region/Europe were still trying to get themselves together...Eventually the Western peoples got their stuff together and the rest is Western HIStory..
Only one poster answered....or tried to answer my question. Tha rest of you tried to give me a history lesson which was not an answer to the question I asked. GO VIKINGS!!!

The answer was in the history lesson. We only tried to enlighten you. Who wants to walk around ignorant? Then again..............That fella that calls himself Old Sport.  :vomit:
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Wildman78 on June 12, 2013, 10:14:50 AM
Eveyone seemed shocked....insulted....whatever you want to call it....about OS's comments so I thought.....is there a country out there that is a made up of a majority of black or brown citizens that even comes close to measuring up to the USA? I couldn't think of one so I asked the question. I figured if so many posters were that insulted they must know of one. The lack of an answer speaks volumes. GO VIKINGS!!!

Speaks volumes as to exactly what uchighlander?

I was shocked and insulted by Oldsports comments. Oldsport believes that if the United States becomes majority Black or Brown, "the nation of liberty, justice and freedom will be over." I still would like Oldsport to explain how those statements do not reflect a belief in White Supremacy.

You seem to be saying that because no Brown and/or Black majority has "come close" to measuring up to the USA (whatever you think that means), Oldsport's theory is valid.

Is that your point. If not, what is your point. Our "so called" lack of an answer to your inquiry speaks volumes to exactly what?  


Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: uchighlander on June 12, 2013, 10:15:42 AM
Eveyone seemed shocked....insulted....whatever you want to call it....about OS's comments so I thought.....is there a country out there that is a made up of a majority of black or brown citizens that even comes close to measuring up to the USA? I couldn't think of one so I asked the question. I figured if so many posters were that insulted they must know of one. The lack of an answer speaks volumes. GO VIKINGS!!!

Speaks volumes as to exactly what uchighlander?

I was shocked and insulted by Oldsports comments. Oldsport believes that if the United States becomes majority Black or Brown, "the nation of liberty, justice and freedom will be over." I still would like Oldsport to explain how those statements do not reflect a belief in White Supremacy.

You seem to be saying that because no Brown and/or Black majority as "come close" to measuring up to the USA (whatever you think that means), Oldsport's theory is valid.

Is that your point. If not, what is your point. Our "so called" lack of an answer to your inquiry speaks volumes to exactly what?  


Speaks volumes to the fact that even though all of you were insulted no one came up with a straight up answer......so maybe.....just maybe......OS is correct. Oh my God......that couldn't happen could it?  :lmao: GO VIKINGS!!
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Wildman78 on June 12, 2013, 10:35:55 AM
Eveyone seemed shocked....insulted....whatever you want to call it....about OS's comments so I thought.....is there a country out there that is a made up of a majority of black or brown citizens that even comes close to measuring up to the USA? I couldn't think of one so I asked the question. I figured if so many posters were that insulted they must know of one. The lack of an answer speaks volumes. GO VIKINGS!!!

Speaks volumes as to exactly what uchighlander?

I was shocked and insulted by Oldsports comments. Oldsport believes that if the United States becomes majority Black or Brown, "the nation of liberty, justice and freedom will be over." I still would like Oldsport to explain how those statements do not reflect a belief in White Supremacy.

You seem to be saying that because no Brown and/or Black majority as "come close" to measuring up to the USA (whatever you think that means), Oldsport's theory is valid.

Is that your point. If not, what is your point. Our "so called" lack of an answer to your inquiry speaks volumes to exactly what?  


Speaks volumes to the fact that even though all of you were insulted no one came up with a straight up answer......so maybe.....just maybe......OS is correct. Oh my God......that couldn't happen could it?  :lmao: GO VIKINGS!!

Interesting that you think this is funny.

I think I answered your question directly and honestly. However, I don't want to quibble about that. I think there is a more important issue here.

So, you think Oldsport may be right when he says that the United States would cease to be liberty, justice and freedom if the majority of it's people were Black and Brown.

If that what you belive, please explain why that isn't tantamount to believing in White Supremacy.

Please explain how our so-called lack of an answer to your inquiry would prove that Oldsport might be right.

Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: uchighlander on June 12, 2013, 11:24:28 AM
You know what's interesting.....if I asked the question.....who is the best NFL , NBA or NHL team in history you all could come up with an answer in a heart beat without giving a history of each of those leagues.....why can't you answer my question the same way? GO VIKINGS!!!
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Bison66 on June 12, 2013, 11:49:03 AM
You know what's interesting.....if I asked the question.....who is the best NFL , NBA or NHL team in history you all could come up with an answer in a heart beat without giving a history of each of those leagues.....why can't you answer my question the same way? GO VIKINGS!!!

What we have here is NOT a failure to communicate (a la Cool Hand Luke).

What we have here is posters casting pearls before swine - with apologies to pigs.

uchi, several people answered your question.  If, as it now appears, you meant in the current day, that would be another matter.  However, at least 3 persons addressed the time continuum in their response to your "Just a question", which it has become obvious was not a question but a point.

Along with Wildman, I would simply like OS and you to tell us what your point is.
O0
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Wildman78 on June 12, 2013, 11:51:12 AM
You know what's interesting.....if I asked the question.....who is the best NFL , NBA or NHL team in history you all could come up with an answer in a heart beat without giving a history of each of those leagues.....why can't you answer my question the same way? GO VIKINGS!!!

 ::)

I answered your question. See. You asked:

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How many predominately black or brown countries have risen to the stature of the US or even come close


I answered:

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I would say  that there are no predominantly Black or Brown countries that are equal to the United States in wealth, power, or opportunity

How is that not an answer?  :shrug:

Now, will you please answer my questions.

Do you think Oldsport may be right when he says that the United States would cease to be liberty, justice and freedom if the majority of it's people were Black and Brown?

If so, please explain why that isn't tantamount to believing in White Supremacy.

Please explain how our so-called lack of an answer to your inquiry would prove that Oldsport might be right?
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: uchighlander on June 12, 2013, 12:29:28 PM
I think OS may be right and white supremacy has nothing to do with it.....it's reality. The best example I can think of is our neighbor to the South....Mexico. The government is absolutely corrupt, drug cartels control large areas of the country, government officials are assasinated everyday , citizens are murdered everyday and this supposedly is a democracy. There is NO liberty....there is NO freedom and there is NO justice. GO VIKINGS!!!
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: soflorattler on June 12, 2013, 12:36:29 PM
I think OS may be right and white supremacy has nothing to do with it.....it's reality.

So, this is what you are in agreement with?


That sounds like White people are inherently better than black or brown people.

 
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Wildman78 on June 12, 2013, 12:58:13 PM
I think OS may be right and white supremacy has nothing to do with it.....it's reality. The best example I can think of is our neighbor to the South....Mexico. The government is absolutely corrupt, drug cartels control large areas of the country, government officials are assasinated everyday , citizens are murdered everyday and this supposedly is a democracy. There is NO liberty....there is NO freedom and there is NO justice. GO VIKINGS!!!


Is that your answer, it's not White Supremacy but reality.  How does what you describe as reality differ from White  Supremacy.

It seems to me that in the "reality" of your mind is that Black and Brown incapable of sustaining the United States.

If you are saying that the large drug cartels would control large areas of the United States if Black and Brown people became the majority in the United States, isn't that the same thing as saying Black and Brown majority are incapable of sustaining the success of the United States. Again, please explain how that belief is different from the basic tenets of White Supremacy.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: oldsport on June 12, 2013, 01:08:14 PM
I think OS may be right and white supremacy has nothing to do with it.....it's reality. The best example I can think of is our neighbor to the South....Mexico. The government is absolutely corrupt, drug cartels control large areas of the country, government officials are assasinated everyday , citizens are murdered everyday and this supposedly is a democracy. There is NO liberty....there is NO freedom and there is NO justice. GO VIKINGS!!!

These K----s don't want to acknowledge this fact. Moreover, I have made a cursory study of Black and Brown nations (countries) worldwide. Look at what type government systems they chose.
Most are either dictatorships or some form of  non-democratic socialist system.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Wildman78 on June 12, 2013, 01:40:44 PM
I think OS may be right and white supremacy has nothing to do with it.....it's reality. The best example I can think of is our neighbor to the South....Mexico. The government is absolutely corrupt, drug cartels control large areas of the country, government officials are assasinated everyday , citizens are murdered everyday and this supposedly is a democracy. There is NO liberty....there is NO freedom and there is NO justice. GO VIKINGS!!!

These K----s don't want to acknowledge this fact. Moreover, I have made a cursory study of Black and Brown nations (countries) worldwide. Look at what type government systems they chose.
Most are either dictatorships or some form of  non-democratic socialist system.

Again, you made these comments:

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God help this nation if it ever turns majority Black or Brown. And you know it K----[Negroes].

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[If America turns black or brown] I truly hope I am dead, because the United States of America the nation of liberty, justice and freedom will be over
.

Please explain how those comments are not evidence that you believe in White Supremacy.

Please explain how those comments differ from the basic notion of White
Supremacy.


Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: uchighlander on June 12, 2013, 01:49:47 PM
Mexico is reality my friend.....it is run by brown people...the present government was founded by brown people. What has white supremacy have to do with fact that it is a corrupt and lawless government? Nothing thats what. You keep trying to bring the white race into the coversation  when the white race has absolutely nothing to do with how that country is run. GO VIKINGS!!!
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Ken on June 12, 2013, 01:53:43 PM
Mexico is run by the upper crust who happened to be Spanish descent which is white- now the population as a whole may be brown- but the power and wealth is controlled by those of spanish descent to mestizos.



Also in America both black AND white consume EQUAL number of drugs-- but laws are enforced in black areas not white.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Wildman78 on June 12, 2013, 02:18:03 PM
Mexico is reality my friend.....it is run by brown people...the present government was founded by brown people. What has white supremacy have to do with fact that it is a corrupt and lawless government? Nothing thats what. You keep trying to bring the white race into the coversation  when the white race has absolutely nothing to do with how that country is run. GO VIKINGS!!!

What does Mexicio being run by Brown people have to do with it being an alleged corrupt and lawless government? You seem to be suggesting that Mexico is that way because it's run by Brown people. That it would not be that way if it was run by White people.  :shrug:  Isn't that what you are saying?

You keep saying this has nothng to do with White Supremacy but you can't explain how your examples or points differ fron the basic tenet of White Supremacy.

White Supremacy -- the theory or belief that White people are innately superior to people of other races

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/white+supremacy

Isn't that exactly what you are trying to say in your initial inquiry and your Mexico example.

Maybe you are saying that Brown and Black people are inferior to White people. But that would be the same thing, wouldn't it.  :shrug:
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: oldsport on June 12, 2013, 02:40:41 PM
Mexico is reality my friend.....it is run by brown people...the present government was founded by brown people. What has white supremacy have to do with fact that it is a corrupt and lawless government? Nothing thats what. You keep trying to bring the white race into the coversation  when the white race has absolutely nothing to do with how that country is run. GO VIKINGS!!!

What does Mexicio being run by Brown people have to do with it being an alleged corrupt and lawless government? You seem to be suggesting that Mexico is that way because it's run by Brown people. That it would not be that way if it was run by White people.  :shrug:  Isn't that what you are saying?

You keep saying this has nothng to do with White Supremacy but you can't explain how your examples or points differ fron the basic tenet of White Supremacy.

White Supremacy -- the theory or belief that White people are innately superior to people of other races

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/white+supremacy

Isn't that exactly what you are trying to say in your initial inquiry and your Mexico example.

Maybe you are saying that Brown and Black people are inferior to White people. But that would be the same thing, wouldn't it.  :shrug:

This is what the radical white elites think of Black and Brown folk. They believe if the Black and Brown folk constitute the majority in this country they (the white leftist radicals) will be able to bring about the revolutionary leftist dictatorship and repressive leftist regime they desire to implement. THIS IS WHITE SUPREMIST THINKING....I don't subscribe to this BS. I don't believe in it. However, I believe if this country becomes all or majority Black and Brown, these folk have just enough political and organizational savvy and sway over low information Black and Brown folk who will be in the majority to pull this off. THERE YOU HAVE IT.....I don't think they stand a chance with enough white American opposition. It will come from the right mainly.

Bernadine Dohrn in her own words....

In June 1969, Dohrn and ten fellow RYM-affiliated SDS members (including such notables as Jeff Jones and Dohrn's lover Bill Ayers) produced "You Don't Need a Weatherman to Know Which Way the Wind Blows"—a manifesto whose title was derived from Bob Dylan's song, "Subterranean Homesick Blues." Printed in the SDS publication New Left Notes, this manifesto marked the genesis of a new radical outgrowth of SDS—“Weatherman,” of which Dohrn was the acknowledged leader. Stating bluntly that "the goal [of revolution] is the destruction of U.S. imperialism and the achievement of a classless world: world communism," the manifesto characterized African-Americans as a "black colony" within the United States. Said Dohrn: “The best thing that we can be doing for ourselves, as well as for the  Panthers and the revolutionary black liberation struggle, is to build a fu**ing white revolutionary movement, not a national paper alliance. Building a white Left movement from the ground up means we need the Panthers and black radicals there—at ground level.”
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Wildman78 on June 12, 2013, 02:50:19 PM
No Oldsport, you are trying to change the focus from you and uchighlander.

Please explain  your comments:

God help this nation if it ever turns majority Black or Brown. And you know it K----[Negroes].

[If America turns black or brown] I truly hope I am dead, because the United States of America the nation of liberty, justice and freedom will be over

You made those comments, not some radical White elites.

I want you to explain how those comments do not reflect your belief in White Supremacy?  
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: soflorattler on June 12, 2013, 02:56:52 PM
No rope available to get him out of that hole... :lol:
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: oldsport on June 12, 2013, 03:16:24 PM
No Oldsport, you are trying to change the focus from you and uchighlander.

Please explain how your comments:

God help this nation if it ever turns majority Black or Brown. And you know it K----[Negroes].

[If America turns black or brown] I truly hope I am dead, because the United States of America the nation of liberty, justice and freedom will be over

You made those comments, not some radical White elites.

I want you to explain how those comments do not reflect your belief in White Supremacy?   

Come on man. I don't live in an all Black neighborhood either. Does that mean I believe in white supremacy? Get real.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: uchighlander on June 12, 2013, 03:20:13 PM
Mexico is reality my friend.....it is run by brown people...the present government was founded by brown people. What has white supremacy have to do with fact that it is a corrupt and lawless government? Nothing thats what. You keep trying to bring the white race into the coversation  when the white race has absolutely nothing to do with how that country is run. GO VIKINGS!!!

What does Mexicio being run by Brown people have to do with it being an alleged corrupt and lawless government? You seem to be suggesting that Mexico is that way because it's run by Brown people. That it would not be that way if it was run by White people.  :shrug:  Isn't that what you are saying?

You keep saying this has nothng to do with White Supremacy but you can't explain how your examples or points differ fron the basic tenet of White Supremacy.

White Supremacy -- the theory or belief that White people are innately superior to people of other races

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/white+supremacy

Isn't that exactly what you are trying to say in your initial inquiry and your Mexico example.

Maybe you are saying that Brown and Black people are inferior to White people. But that would be the same thing, wouldn't it.  :shrug:
Not inferior but culturally different which allows the corruption ect. GO VIKINGS!!!
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Wildman78 on June 12, 2013, 04:10:42 PM
No Oldsport, you are trying to change the focus from you and uchighlander.

Please explain how your comments:

God help this nation if it ever turns majority Black or Brown. And you know it K----[Negroes].

[If America turns black or brown] I truly hope I am dead, because the United States of America the nation of liberty, justice and freedom will be over

You made those comments, not some radical White elites.

I want you to explain how those comments do not reflect your belief in White Supremacy?  

Come on man. I don't live in an all Black neighborhood either. Does that mean I believe in white supremacy? Get real.

No, no you get real man.That is a false equivalency, a bad anaolgy, you are trying to minimize the import of your statements.

You basically said that if the United States becomes majority (not all but a majority) Black and Brown, you hope that you are dead, because the United States would no longer be the nation of liberty, justice and freedom -- i.e. the country is doomed if it the majority of the population becomes Black and Brown.

I live in a nice intergrated neighborhood too but I'm not telling people I'm moving out if it becomes too Black and Brown.

Surely you can see the point, I'm making.

The fact that it took you nine pages to directly respond to my challenge speaks volumes -- you know those statements were problematic for you.  

Surely, you know that the demographic of this Country is changing gradually. For you to suggest that a populace of Black and Brown people who have been in the Country for generations, become immersed in its government, culture, and economy would not be able to sustain this nation, is just hurtful.

Dayum. Do you think that little of Black and Brown people.  :'( :'( :'(

I'm done.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: oldsport on June 12, 2013, 04:36:02 PM
No Oldsport, you are trying to change the focus from you and uchighlander.

Please explain how your comments:

God help this nation if it ever turns majority Black or Brown. And you know it K----[Negroes].

[If America turns black or brown] I truly hope I am dead, because the United States of America the nation of liberty, justice and freedom will be over

You made those comments, not some radical White elites.

I want you to explain how those comments do not reflect your belief in White Supremacy?  

Come on man. I don't live in an all Black neighborhood either. Does that mean I believe in white supremacy? Get real.

No, no you get real man.That is a false equivalency, a bad anaolgy, you are trying to minimize the import of your statements.

You basically said that if the United States becomes majority (not all but a majority) Black and Brown, you hope that you are dead, because the United States would no longer be the nation of liberty, justice and freedom -- i.e. the country is doomed if it the majority of the populatin becomes Black and Brown.

I live in a nice intergrated neighborhood too but I'm not telling people I'm moving out if it becomes too Black and Brown.

Surely you can see the point, I'm making.

The fact that it took you nine pages to directly respond to my challenge speaks volumes -- you know those statements were problematic for you.  

Surely, you know that the demographic of this Country is changing gradually. For you to suggest that a populace of Black and Brown people who have been in the Country for generations, become immersed in its government, culture, and economy would not be able to sustain this nation, is just hurtful.

Dayum. Do you think that little of Black and Brown people.  :'( :'( :'(

I'm done.

Don't believe demographic of this country is changing BS. I will be up here tonight posting why the demographic is really not changing.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Wildman78 on June 12, 2013, 04:37:56 PM

Don't believe demographic of this country is changing BS. I will be up here tonight posting why the demographic is really not changing.

Don't waste your time. You know that ain't the issue.  :no:
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: oldsport on June 12, 2013, 04:38:58 PM
Read this very closely and carefully.....

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2882688/
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Bison66 on June 12, 2013, 04:40:52 PM
Mexico is reality my friend.....it is run by brown people...the present government was founded by brown people. What has white supremacy have to do with fact that it is a corrupt and lawless government? Nothing thats what. You keep trying to bring the white race into the coversation  when the white race has absolutely nothing to do with how that country is run. GO VIKINGS!!!

What does Mexicio being run by Brown people have to do with it being an alleged corrupt and lawless government? You seem to be suggesting that Mexico is that way because it's run by Brown people. That it would not be that way if it was run by White people.  :shrug:  Isn't that what you are saying?

You keep saying this has nothng to do with White Supremacy but you can't explain how your examples or points differ fron the basic tenet of White Supremacy.

White Supremacy -- the theory or belief that White people are innately superior to people of other races

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/white+supremacy

Isn't that exactly what you are trying to say in your initial inquiry and your Mexico example.

Maybe you are saying that Brown and Black people are inferior to White people. But that would be the same thing, wouldn't it.  :shrug:
Not inferior but culturally different which allows the corruption ect. GO VIKINGS!!!

What the heck!!!!

Please clarify "culturally different which allows the corruption ect."
O0
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Wildman78 on June 12, 2013, 04:45:53 PM
Read this very closely and carefully.....

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2882688/

Okay and...

It doesn't change what you said or what you meant when you said it.


Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: soflorattler on June 12, 2013, 04:49:22 PM
 :snicker
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Bison66 on June 12, 2013, 05:16:23 PM

Don't believe demographic of this country is changing BS. I will be up here tonight posting why the demographic is really not changing.

Don't waste your time. You know that ain't the issue.  :no:

OS,

You're going to be up VERY late if you actually keep your word about coming back and posting stuff.

We're still waiting (unless you just did it) for you to fulfill your promise to come back and prove that my assertions about Native Americans was a lie - for just one recent example.
O0
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Wildman78 on June 12, 2013, 05:19:28 PM
^^^ He posted a report.

Read this very closely and carefully.....

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2882688/

But like I said, that doesn't change what he said or what he meant when he said it.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Strike79 on June 12, 2013, 06:12:40 PM
Read this very closely and carefully.....

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2882688/
???..........well, THIS poster did click on the link and, among other things, discovered this article is pretty lengthy, almost TREATISE-like in length  :o.  So I was neither inclined nor interested in reading the entire thing.  And I'm fairly confident you read LESS than I did, otherwise you should have been able to analyze and nutshell the theses for the board.

But you offer the link to support your argument with Wildman that there are no on-going demographic shifts in American when the very beginning of the article makes clear that this is PRECISELY what is going on, a "browning of America".

Look, I realize that the prospects of an America where white folks are NOT in power and control frightens you.  But to now DENY the ongoing changing demographics in this country suggests a clinical detachment from reality for which you MAY need professional help.  :(
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Ken on June 12, 2013, 06:34:57 PM
OS is just undergoing the 3 stages of grief-- 1. rage   2. denial  3. acceptance
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: oldsport on June 13, 2013, 08:33:11 AM
Read this very closely and carefully.....

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2882688/
???..........well, THIS poster did click on the link and, among other things, discovered this article is pretty lengthy, almost TREATISE-like in length  :o.  So I was neither inclined nor interested in reading the entire thing.  And I'm fairly confident you read LESS than I did, otherwise you should have been able to analyze and nutshell the theses for the board.

But you offer the link to support your argument with Wildman that there are no on-going demographic shifts in American when the very beginning of the article makes clear that this is PRECISELY what is going on, a "browning of America".

Look, I realize that the prospects of an America where white folks are NOT in power and control frightens you.  But to now DENY the ongoing changing demographics in this country suggests a clinical detachment from reality for which you MAY need professional help.  :(

I pulled up some recent figures on U.S. racial percentages. In 2006 80.1%  of Americans identified themselves as "white", 12.8% say they are " black, 4.4% "Asian American" 7.9% percent some other race...There have been a number of racial choices added....

Even with all the added choices, the notion that the United States has or will loss it's tradition white majority is arrant nonsense. Believe me whites are going to make sure this does not happen. And you're a dyam fool if you think it will. At the time of Constitution, the population was 80% white, as of 2006, the nation self-identified as 80.1% white. Believe me this figure is not going to change anytime soon or even into the distant future. Whites will make sure of that....(Black folk are aborting babies at extraordinary numbers....others are going to not be far behind....) By the way, you K----s love abortion....Liberal whites are allied with other whites to make sure American stays at least 80% self-identified as white. YOU DYAM FOOLS.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Ken on June 13, 2013, 08:59:13 AM
2006 ain't recent


In the year 2012 the white population is around 72% white, black 12.6 and hispanics 16.4--AND if you include the number of whites who are hispanic the white population would be even lower- Since the year 2000 69% of the population growth in America has been due to hispanics--since the year 2000 there has been ZERO growth among the white population-- now if you can increase the white population without making any babies you should win a Nobel Prize in Medicine.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Wildman78 on June 13, 2013, 09:08:07 AM
WASHINGTON (AP) — The estimated time when whites will no longer make up the majority of Americans has been pushed back eight years — to 2050 — because the recession and stricter immigration policies have slowed the flow of foreigners into the U.S.
Census Bureau figures released Wednesday update last year's prediction that white children would become a minority in 2023 and the overall white population would follow in 2042. The earlier estimate did not take into account a drop in the number of people moving into the U.S. because of the economic crisis and the immigration policies imposed after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.

The 2050 estimate is one of four projections released that is based on rates for births and deaths and a scenario in which immigration continues its more recent, slower pace of adding nearly 1 million new foreigners each year. Demographers said that scenario offers the best look for now at the future demographic makeup based on current conditions, rather than other models which assume higher rates of immigration.

The United States has 308 million people today; two-thirds are non-Hispanic whites
The total population should climb to 399 million by 2050, under the new projection, with whites making up 49.9% of the population. Blacks will make up 12.2%, virtually unchanged from today. Hispanics, currently 15% of the population, will rise to 28% in 2050.

Asians are expected to increase from 4.4% of the population to 6%.

The point when minority children become the majority is expected to have a similar delay of roughly eight years, moving from 2023 to 2031.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/census/2009-12-16-White-minority_N.htm

Well Oldsport, maybe you will be dead and gone by mid-centruy.

Also, I guess we should say that Black, Brown, and Yellow will outnumber non-Hispanic Whites. Brown would include Hispanic Whites.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: ‘87 Alum on June 13, 2013, 09:17:22 AM
recent...2006....'nuff said....and ya wanna call someone else a fool....but since ya like living in the past my man....you claim that "(Black folk are aborting babies at extraordinary numbers....others are going to not be far behind....) By the way, you K----s love abortion."

Census Data on Abortions by race and year (http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0101.pdf)

OS, this data tends to indicate that white women had more abortions than all others in the US.  So as for your assertion that blacks were aborting at extraordinary numbers seems to be unsubstantiated by census data.  Can you kindly share with the forum the source of your data so we can continue this dialogue?

And when you claim that whites would make sure they maintain some 80% of the population....did you include yourself in that number as well?
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: oldsport on June 13, 2013, 09:19:06 AM
Ha.....Since Hispanics are (rightly) not identified as a single "race" (after all, blond Cuban American movie star Cameron Diaz and Afro-Dominican baseball slugger David Ortiz hardly look like they share racial identity), the U.S. Census allows respondents (as of the year 2000) to check as many boxes as apply. "People of Hispanic origin may be of any race categories shown on the recent questionnaire including White, Black, or African-American, American Indian or Alaska Native, Asian, Native Hawaiian, or Other Pacific Islander and Some Other Race. Hispanics are asked to indicate their origin in the question on Hispanic origin, not in the question on race, because in the federal statistical system ethnic origin is considered to be a separate concept from race. Instead, the government seems to classify by language (but only if that language happens to be Spanish), lumping together people from Caribbean, South America, Central America, Spain, Mexico and parts of Asia. Of the populations 14.5% (41,9 million) who do register as Hispanic, 48% OF THEM SAY THEY ARE WHITE - largely explaining the continued high total of the overall population identifying as white.

Whites are not about to lose control of this country racially or otherwise. You are a fool if you believe they will let that happen or not erect plans and actions to prevent it from happening.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Wildman78 on June 13, 2013, 09:27:16 AM

This is what the radical white elites think of Black and Brown folk. They believe if the Black and Brown folk constitute the majority in this country they (the white leftist radicals) will be able to bring about the revolutionary leftist dictatorship and repressive leftist regime they desire to implement. THIS IS WHITE SUPREMIST THINKING....I don't subscribe to this BS. I don't believe in it. However, I believe if this country becomes all or majority Black and Brown, these folk have just enough political and organizational savvy and sway over low information Black and Brown folk who will be in the majority to pull this off. THERE YOU HAVE IT.....I don't think they stand a chance with enough white American opposition. It will come from the right mainly.

Bernadine Dohrn in her own words....

In June 1969, Dohrn and ten fellow RYM-affiliated SDS members (including such notables as Jeff Jones and Dohrn's lover Bill Ayers) produced "You Don't Need a Weatherman to Know Which Way the Wind Blows"—a manifesto whose title was derived from Bob Dylan's song, "Subterranean Homesick Blues." Printed in the SDS publication New Left Notes, this manifesto marked the genesis of a new radical outgrowth of SDS—“Weatherman,” of which Dohrn was the acknowledged leader. Stating bluntly that "the goal [of revolution] is the destruction of U.S. imperialism and the achievement of a classless world: world communism," the manifesto characterized African-Americans as a "black colony" within the United States. Said Dohrn: “The best thing that we can be doing for ourselves, as well as for the  Panthers and the revolutionary black liberation struggle, is to build a fu**ing white revolutionary movement, not a national paper alliance. Building a white Left movement from the ground up means we need the Panthers and black radicals there—at ground level.”


I have to admit that I hadn't read this post by Oldsport in it's entirety. What a stretch this is. ::)

 In this post Oldsport claims that the reason he never wants to see the United States become majority Black and Brown is because White leftist will be able to sway us "low information Black and Brown to change the country from a representative democracy to a left wing dictatorship.  ::) :no:.

There is no link to the source of this theory and it took him 9 pages to come up with that far fetched bullshyt!!!

Oh well. Sometime later, I'll start a thread inquiring about the "culturual differences"of Brown people (Hispanics) that make them more susceptible to large areas of their countries being controlled by drug cartels.  ::)
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Ken on June 13, 2013, 09:37:56 AM
OS if there is a decrease in white population since 2006 and ZERO growth since 2000 and 69% increase in hispanic population since 2000 how are you going to maintain a majority---Seems like there are more whites going to the grave than cumming (no pun intended)

And the number of hispanics who say they are white will decrease because the increase in the hispanics is among Puerto Ricans.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: oldsport on June 13, 2013, 10:10:45 AM
OS if there is a decrease in white population since 2006 and ZERO growth since 2000 and 69% increase in hispanic population since 2000 how are you going to maintain a majority---Seems like there are more whites going to the grave than cumming (no pun intended)

And the number of hispanics who say they are white will decrease because the increase in the hispanics is among Puerto Ricans.

Going on your fishing expedition....K----....White's are not about to lose their hold on America anytime soon. They're not finished with America yet. When Blacks and Browns dominate not only the population but the inner workings of America....it's decline and fall will be complete.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: ‘87 Alum on June 13, 2013, 10:14:17 AM
^^

Due to what?  It's total devastation and demoralization by whites?
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: oldsport on June 13, 2013, 10:23:53 AM
^^

Due to what?  It's total devastation and demoralization by whites?

You figure it out.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: ‘87 Alum on June 13, 2013, 10:30:28 AM
So you have no clue and are simply making stuff up hoping it sticks....

and you tried to avoid the below but I knew you had no data to substantiate your bogus claims (as usual)

recent...2006....'nuff said....and ya wanna call someone else a fool....but since ya like living in the past my man....you claim that "(Black folk are aborting babies at extraordinary numbers....others are going to not be far behind....) By the way, you K----s love abortion."

Census Data on Abortions by race and year (http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0101.pdf)

OS, this data tends to indicate that white women had more abortions than all others in the US.  So as for your assertion that blacks were aborting at extraordinary numbers seems to be unsubstantiated by census data.  Can you kindly share with the forum the source of your data so we can continue this dialogue?

And when you claim that whites would make sure they maintain some 80% of the population....did you include yourself in that number as well?

Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Ken on June 13, 2013, 10:45:46 AM
The world economy will not be dominated by whites in America but the Chinese---our Gross national GNP is decreasing and the Asian countries are increasing--
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: oldsport on June 13, 2013, 10:53:18 AM
The world economy will not be dominated by whites in America but the Chinese---our Gross national GNP is decreasing and the Asian countries are increasing--

You don't know what the hell is going to happen in the future - K----.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: CU1994 on June 13, 2013, 10:55:26 AM
OS hates black and brown people and believes we are incapable of high achievement unless under the close supervision of white people. Uchi and Y, is this conservative/Republican thought?
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: oldsport on June 13, 2013, 11:09:48 AM
OS hates black and brown people and believes we are incapable of high achievement unless under the close supervision of white people. Uchi and Y, is this conservative/Republican thought?

I don't hate Black and Brown people. I just believe the institutions that are currently run by White's in America will stay in their hands for the foreseeable future. I don't believe they plan or contemplate relinquishing control of these institutions as well as this country. Folk that believe the overtaking of America (it's institutions and structure) by Blacks and Browns are smoking dupe.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: CU1994 on June 13, 2013, 11:29:12 AM
OS if there is a decrease in white population since 2006 and ZERO growth since 2000 and 69% increase in hispanic population since 2000 how are you going to maintain a majority---Seems like there are more whites going to the grave than cumming (no pun intended)

And the number of hispanics who say they are white will decrease because the increase in the hispanics is among Puerto Ricans.

Going on your fishing expedition....K----....White's are not about to lose their hold on America anytime soon. They're not finished with America yet. When Blacks and Browns dominate not only the population but the inner workings of America....it's decline and fall will be complete.

Excuse me
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Bison66 on June 13, 2013, 11:32:23 AM
Quote
Even with all the added choices, the notion that the United States has or will loss it's tradition white majority is arrant nonsense. Believe me whites are going to make sure this does not happen. And you're a dyam fool if you think it will.

OS, YOU are the one who raised the "spectre" of America becoming all Brown and Black.  Maybe I missed it, but you are the only one.

However, there is significant evidence that whites will not be majority in the future.  You called it arrant nonsense.  What evidence do you have for that statement?  Todd Akin tell you that?  Or Michelle Bachmann?

How are "whites are going to make sure this does not happen."

Is this what you had in mind:

Whites’ deaths outnumber births for first time
EVER!!!

Quote
More white people died in the United States last year than were born, a surprising slump coming more than a decade before the Census Bureau says that the ranks of white Americans will likely drop with every passing year.

Population estimates for 2012 released Thursday show what’s known as a natural decrease — a straightforward calculation of births minus deaths — of about 12,400 people among the nation’s 198 million non-Hispanic whites.

Although the percentage is small, several demographers said they are not aware of another time in U.S. history — not even during the Depression or wars — when there was such shrinkage among the dominant racial group. No other group showed a similar falloff.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/white-deaths-outnumber-births-for-first-time/2013/06/13/3bb1017c-d388-11e2-a73e-826d299ff459_story.html

Is THAT how "whites" will not LET it happen?  Whaddya think....They're going to have a secret meeting and decide to stop dying and instead have more babies?

Dude, you prove over and over again that your estimation of white people is in the demigod category.

And you clown yourself by citing a set of statistics from ONE YEAR while ignoring TRENDS.  Got Trends?  You know how numbers can show you - especially demographic ones that take a long time to develop and are resistant to change - the DIRECTION that numbers are moving?  Did you study the idea of TRENDS at any time you were in school?

One thing "whites" could do is to encourage more white immigration to the US.  Arabs are considered white, so that might be the way to go!!   ::)  Chechens, too!!!

But more to the point:  WHY DO YOU THINK IT WOULD SO IMPORTANT TO WHITE PEOPLE NOT TO BECOME A MINORITY?  
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Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Ken on June 13, 2013, 12:13:49 PM
OS I can tell you what gonna happen in the future-- the white population with be the minority in this country.

Unless you count 10 whites for every 1 white in the census.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: oldsport on June 13, 2013, 01:02:57 PM
OS I can tell you what gonna happen in the future-- the white population with be the minority in this country.

Unless you count 10 whites for every 1 white in the census.

Ken, what kind of place will America be when this all happens? What changes do you see taking place (economically, socially, culturally and politically)?
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Wildman78 on June 13, 2013, 01:18:01 PM
I'm done with trying to have a serious conversation on this topic.

Just thought I'd remind everyone what former President George Herbert Walker Bush thought about his Hispanic Grandchildren.

NEW ORLEANS — As Vice President George Bush bade President Reagan farewell Tuesday at Belle Chasse Naval Air Station, he introduced the children of his son and Mexico-born daughter-in-law. "That's Jebby's kids from Florida," Bush told the President. "The little brown ones."

http://articles.latimes.com/1988-08-17/news/mn-459_1_jeb-bush


 :lmao:
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Bison66 on June 13, 2013, 01:19:17 PM

This is what the radical white elites think of Black and Brown folk. They believe if the Black and Brown folk constitute the majority in this country they (the white leftist radicals) will be able to bring about the revolutionary leftist dictatorship and repressive leftist regime they desire to implement. THIS IS WHITE SUPREMIST THINKING....I don't subscribe to this BS. I don't believe in it. However, I believe if this country becomes all or majority Black and Brown, these folk have just enough political and organizational savvy and sway over low information Black and Brown folk who will be in the majority to pull this off. THERE YOU HAVE IT.....I don't think they stand a chance with enough white American opposition. It will come from the right mainly.

Bernadine Dohrn in her own words....

In June 1969, Dohrn and ten fellow RYM-affiliated SDS members (including such notables as Jeff Jones and Dohrn's lover Bill Ayers) produced "You Don't Need a Weatherman to Know Which Way the Wind Blows"—a manifesto whose title was derived from Bob Dylan's song, "Subterranean Homesick Blues." Printed in the SDS publication New Left Notes, this manifesto marked the genesis of a new radical outgrowth of SDS—“Weatherman,” of which Dohrn was the acknowledged leader. Stating bluntly that "the goal [of revolution] is the destruction of U.S. imperialism and the achievement of a classless world: world communism," the manifesto characterized African-Americans as a "black colony" within the United States. Said Dohrn: “The best thing that we can be doing for ourselves, as well as for the  Panthers and the revolutionary black liberation struggle, is to build a fu**ing white revolutionary movement, not a national paper alliance. Building a white Left movement from the ground up means we need the Panthers and black radicals there—at ground level.”


I have to admit that I hadn't read this post by Oldsport in it's entirety. What a stretch this is. ::)

 In this post Oldsport claims that the reason he never wants to see the United States become majority Black and Brown is because White leftist will be able to sway us "low information Black and Brown to change the country from a representative democracy to a left wing dictatorship.  ::) :no:.

There is no link to the source of this theory and it took him 9 pages to come up with that far fetched bullshyt!!!

Oh well. Sometime later, I'll start a thread inquiring about the "culturual differences"of Brown people (Hispanics) that make them more susceptible to large areas of their countries being controlled by drug cartels.  ::)


Thank you Wildman for pursuing your quarry down the rabbit holes of obfuscation, deflection and outright lies.

We appreciate your untiring efforts.  

The white supremacist elephant in the room did NOT go unnoticed.

NEXT:
It seems that uchi has gone underground since his Freudian slip.  

Suggestion:  Rest up before you begin another rabbit hole pursuit.
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Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: oldsport on June 13, 2013, 01:21:40 PM
I'm done with trying to have a serious conversation on this topic.

Just thought I'd remind everyone what former President George Herbert Walker Bush thought about his Hispanic Grandchildren.

NEW ORLEANS — As Vice President George Bush bade President Reagan farewell Tuesday at Belle Chasse Naval Air Station, he introduced the children of his son and Mexico-born daughter-in-law. "That's Jebby's kids from Florida," Bush told the President. "The little brown ones."

http://articles.latimes.com/1988-08-17/news/mn-459_1_jeb-bush


 :lmao:

Come answer the question K----.....

Ken, what kind of place will America be when this all happens? What changes do you see taking place (economically, socially, culturally and politically)?
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Ken on June 13, 2013, 01:31:53 PM
America will be darker color wise and more Democratic.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Wildman78 on June 13, 2013, 01:35:04 PM
I'm done with trying to have a serious conversation on this topic.

Just thought I'd remind everyone what former President George Herbert Walker Bush thought about his Hispanic Grandchildren.

NEW ORLEANS — As Vice President George Bush bade President Reagan farewell Tuesday at Belle Chasse Naval Air Station, he introduced the children of his son and Mexico-born daughter-in-law. "That's Jebby's kids from Florida," Bush told the President. "The little brown ones."

http://articles.latimes.com/1988-08-17/news/mn-459_1_jeb-bush


 :lmao:

Come answer the question K----.....

Ken, what kind of place will America be when this all happens? What changes do you see taking place (economically, socially, culturally and politically)?

I see you didn't want to respond to or acknowledge the fact the even former President Bush 1 refers to his half-Mexican grand children as "brown"  :lol:

Anyway, I'll answer your question: I  think America will still be the shining city on the hill. It will still be the nation so eloquently described in Katherine Lee Bates' lyrics to America the Beautiful, and God will still shed his grace upon America regardless of it's racial demographics. As is often stated, America is a nation of laws, not of men. I certainly do not think there will any great upheavel with respct to the social, cultural or political makeup of the country when Blacks, Hispanics, and Asians outnumber non-Hispanic Whites.

I hope that answers your question. I await your thoughtful response.  
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Ken on June 13, 2013, 01:48:20 PM
hey OS why don't you ask the American Indian how they felt when they were taken over- what goes around comes arouond.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Ken on June 13, 2013, 02:00:39 PM
And remember that a majority  of new top companies in america were started by immigrants.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Ken on June 13, 2013, 02:12:31 PM
OVER 40% OF THE FORTUNE 500 COMPANIES WERE FOUNDED BY IMMIGRANTS.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: uchighlander on June 13, 2013, 03:43:12 PM

This is what the radical white elites think of Black and Brown folk. They believe if the Black and Brown folk constitute the majority in this country they (the white leftist radicals) will be able to bring about the revolutionary leftist dictatorship and repressive leftist regime they desire to implement. THIS IS WHITE SUPREMIST THINKING....I don't subscribe to this BS. I don't believe in it. However, I believe if this country becomes all or majority Black and Brown, these folk have just enough political and organizational savvy and sway over low information Black and Brown folk who will be in the majority to pull this off. THERE YOU HAVE IT.....I don't think they stand a chance with enough white American opposition. It will come from the right mainly.

Bernadine Dohrn in her own words....

In June 1969, Dohrn and ten fellow RYM-affiliated SDS members (including such notables as Jeff Jones and Dohrn's lover Bill Ayers) produced "You Don't Need a Weatherman to Know Which Way the Wind Blows"—a manifesto whose title was derived from Bob Dylan's song, "Subterranean Homesick Blues." Printed in the SDS publication New Left Notes, this manifesto marked the genesis of a new radical outgrowth of SDS—“Weatherman,” of which Dohrn was the acknowledged leader. Stating bluntly that "the goal [of revolution] is the destruction of U.S. imperialism and the achievement of a classless world: world communism," the manifesto characterized African-Americans as a "black colony" within the United States. Said Dohrn: “The best thing that we can be doing for ourselves, as well as for the  Panthers and the revolutionary black liberation struggle, is to build a fu**ing white revolutionary movement, not a national paper alliance. Building a white Left movement from the ground up means we need the Panthers and black radicals there—at ground level.”


I have to admit that I hadn't read this post by Oldsport in it's entirety. What a stretch this is. ::)

 In this post Oldsport claims that the reason he never wants to see the United States become majority Black and Brown is because White leftist will be able to sway us "low information Black and Brown to change the country from a representative democracy to a left wing dictatorship.  ::) :no:.

There is no link to the source of this theory and it took him 9 pages to come up with that far fetched bullshyt!!!

Oh well. Sometime later, I'll start a thread inquiring about the "culturual differences"of Brown people (Hispanics) that make them more susceptible to large areas of their countries being controlled by drug cartels.  ::)


Thank you Wildman for pursuing your quarry down the rabbit holes of obfuscation, deflection and outright lies.

We appreciate your untiring efforts.  

The white supremacist elephant in the room did NOT go unnoticed.

NEXT:
It seems that uchi has gone underground since his Freudian slip.  

Suggestion:  Rest up before you begin another rabbit hole pursuit.
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What Freudian slip? I meant what I said....no slip. I got my answer....why continue the bu** Sh** conversation? I'm just waiting for the next one. GO VIKINGS!!!
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: oldsport on June 13, 2013, 03:50:16 PM
hey OS why don't you ask the American Indian how they felt when they were taken over- what goes around comes arouond.

The Whites who came to America were technologically superior to the native Indian tribes. The Whites were ambitious and industrious. This take over of American by Blacks and Browns can not be accomplished by numbers alone. K---- your so stupid....
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Wildman78 on June 13, 2013, 04:16:19 PM
What Freudian slip? I meant what I said....no slip. I got my answer....why continue the bu** Sh** conversation? I'm just waiting for the next one. GO VIKINGS!!!

Okay, if you say it's not a Freudian slip, that is fine by me. However, there will be a  further discussion about your allegation/suggestion that drug cartels controlling large areas of Mexico is somehow connected to the "different culture of Brown people."

You can bet your arse on that.  :)

Whether you choose to participate in that discussion is entirely up to you.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Ken on June 13, 2013, 05:02:25 PM
The first whites who came to America all died--every heard of the "Lost Colony" of virginia--if they were so tech superior why did they all die?  Most of the Indians lived-- so I guess they were the technical superior ones.
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: uchighlander on June 14, 2013, 11:39:11 AM
hey OS why don't you ask the American Indian how they felt when they were taken over- what goes around comes around.
What's it going to be.....God's grace regardless of racial demographics or what goes around comes around? I have a feeling it's going to be the latter. GO VIKINGS!!!
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Bison66 on June 17, 2013, 10:24:33 PM
Someone, please add this one to the archives of Oldsport's 100% WRONG CLUB:

Quote
At the time of Constitution, the population was 80% white, as of 2006, the nation self-identified as 80.1% white. Believe me this figure is not going to change anytime soon or even into the distant future. Whites will make sure of that....

It had ALREADY changed by the time he typed those words!!!
                           :lmao:     :lmao:      :lmao:

I take note ALSO of uchi's cryptic statement:
hey OS why don't you ask the American Indian how they felt when they were taken over- what goes around comes around.
What's it going to be.....God's grace regardless of racial demographics or what goes around comes around? I have a feeling it's going to be the latter. GO VIKINGS!!!

It is subject to quite a bit of interpretation, but it seems to echo a prediction or fear of retribution - IMO.

Do right in the first place and retribution will be welcomed.  [EDIT:  This is a GENERAL statement, not a personal one directed to uchi.]
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Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Bison66 on June 18, 2013, 11:51:22 PM
OLDSPORT?  ?  ?

Quote

Enjoy your life and liberty in Obama's America.

1. The first you posted is a lie.

2. The second thing you posted is a lie.

3. The third thing you posted is a lie as well.

I don't have time right now but when I have time I'll take apart each one these lies which more than likely white radicals leftist or Black radical socialist/communist have polluted your brain with.

Says the poster with NO CLUE about actual history and who believes the Michele Bachmann version of history.
 :lmao:    :lmao:    :lmao:

Oldsport, THIS will be yet another example of your talking big stuff only to disappear again.

You did it with your "threats"   :lmao:   :lmao: to post contradictions in Obama's book.

You did it when you said you were going to debate.

And other times as well when you said you were coming back but ran off as usual.

All hat and no cattle.
O0

OLDSPORT?  ?  ?

Don't forget, Oldsport.
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Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Bison66 on September 24, 2013, 03:14:18 PM
I am cross posting this link from the "Egypt" thread to counter (as if it was really necessary) this nonsensical stuff:

Quote
I regret to say, Sub-Sahara Africans showed no propensity, initiative, ambition or capability to achieve or accomplish any of the things I mentioned in during the 17th, 18th, 19th or 20th Centuries colonization or not. FACT.....

100 Things you never knew about Africa
http://newsrescue.com/when-we-ruled-africas-reign/#axzz2epsatwFR

It is simply FTR (for the record).
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Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: uchighlander on September 24, 2013, 04:05:47 PM
I am cross posting this link from the "Egypt" thread to counter (as if it was really necessary) this nonsensical stuff:

Quote
I regret to say, Sub-Sahara Africans showed no propensity, initiative, ambition or capability to achieve or accomplish any of the things I mentioned in during the 17th, 18th, 19th or 20th Centuries colonization or not. FACT.....

100 Things you never knew about Africa
http://newsrescue.com/when-we-ruled-africas-reign/#axzz2epsatwFR

It is simply FTR (for the record).
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Soooooo......what happened?  GO VIKINGS!!!!
Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Bison66 on September 24, 2013, 10:59:44 PM
Since, in the recent past, you have claimed that you "just asked" a question, but later admitted that with the question you were making a point:

WHY DON'T YOU JUST MAKE YOUR POINT?

Then we can take it from there.
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Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Bison66 on September 25, 2013, 12:16:48 PM
uchi,

I'll have limited Internet access for a couple of days, so I will check back when I can to get your "point."

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Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Bison66 on September 28, 2013, 10:35:50 AM
Since, in the recent past, you have claimed that you "just asked" a question, but later admitted that with the question you were making a point:

WHY DON'T YOU JUST MAKE YOUR POINT?

Then we can take it from there.
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uchi,

Just in case you missed this.
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Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Bison66 on October 22, 2013, 06:38:43 PM
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Title: Re: Oldsport's latest rant low rating Black and Brown people
Post by: Bison66 on December 27, 2013, 11:26:14 PM
I am cross posting this link from the "Egypt" thread to counter (as if it was really necessary) this nonsensical stuff:

Quote
I regret to say, Sub-Sahara Africans showed no propensity, initiative, ambition or capability to achieve or accomplish any of the things I mentioned in during the 17th, 18th, 19th or 20th Centuries colonization or not. FACT.....

100 Things you never knew about Africa
http://newsrescue.com/when-we-ruled-africas-reign/#axzz2epsatwFR

It is simply FTR (for the record).
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Soooooo......what happened?  GO VIKINGS!!!!

highlander,

You asked me to remind of of this exchange.

CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR RETIREMENT!!!

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