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Title: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: Bison66 on January 12, 2013, 12:26:41 AM
Not that you care,.....I'm going to be away for about a week starting Sunday
[http://archive.benchmarkemail.com/Yes2Panama/newsletter/SOLD-OUT---Second-Phase-of-Rooms],
so I won't be posting much, if at all.

But before I leave....


I've always said that the NRA would be singing a different tune IF it was Black folks arming themselves.  I've mentioned Malcolm X's suggestion for the establishment of "Negro Rifle Clubs."  I've even alluded to the Black Panther Party (not these "new" JOKES using the name) by saying that when the Panthers walked into the Capitol in Sacramento, "I bet the NRA wasn't defending THEIR gun rights!" (paraphrase)

Little did I know (or perhaps in the recesses of my old brain, I vaguely remembered)....

re:  The NRA....
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The organization actively lobbied in favor of the Gun Control Act of 1968, which banned gun sales by mail, and enacted a system of licensing those people and companies who bought and sold firearms.  Franklin Orth, then the executive vice president of the NRA, said that although certain aspects of the law “appear unduly restrictive and unjustified in their application to law-abiding citizens, the measure as a whole appears to be one that the sportsmen of America can live with.”
 
During that time, the NRA and conservative politicians such as California Governor Ronald Reagan supported gun control as a means of restoring social order, and getting weapons out of the hands of radical, left-leaning and revolutionary groups, particularly the Black Panther Party.
 
Responding to the perceived failures of the nonviolent civil rights movement, the Black Panthers took a more militant and uncompromising approach of the fallen leader Malcolm X.  Led by figures including Huey P. Newton and Bobby Seale, the Panthers’ “by any means necessary” approach included a most aggressive gun ownership policy to protect their communities from police abuse.
 
Beginning in 1966, the Panthers carried out police patrols, in which they rushed to the scene of an arrest with their loaded weapons publicly displayed, and notified those being arrested of their constitutional rights.  California state legislator Don Mulford introduced a bill to repeal the state law allowing citizens to carry loaded guns in public if they were openly displayed.  Mulford had the Panthers in mind with this legislation.
 
On May 2, 1967, a group of Black Panthers protested the bill by walking into the California State Capitol Building fully armed.  In response, the legislature passed the Mulford Act.  And Gov. Reagan, who was a major proponent of disarming the Panthers, signed the bill into law, effectively neutralizing the Panther Police Patrols.
 
Yet, in the 1970s the NRA began to shift their direction rightward and actively lobby for gun rights.  Their chief lobbyist, Harlon Carter, was a former border control agent and staunch supporter of gun rights.  In 1977, Carter and his faction staged a coup within the NRA, against an establishment that wanted to shift away from gun control and crime in favor of conservation and sportsmen’s issues.
 
With the Black Panther Party and other left wing gun control foes out of the picture, the new hardline NRA feared the government would similarly take away their guns.  Further, these predominantly white and conservative gun rights advocates in the NRA shared the Panthers’ distrust of the police.
 
Ironically, Ronald Reagan—who had signed the Mulford Act to disarm the Black Panther Party—changed his stance and advocated for guns as a defense against state power.
 
“So isn’t it better for the people to own arms than to risk enslavement by power-hungry men or nations? The founding fathers thought so,” Reagan said in a radio commentary in 1975.
 
In 1980, the NRA endorsed Reagan for president, the first such endorsement by the group.  On March 30, 1981, President Reagan and three others were shot and injured by John Hinckley, Jr., 25, outside the Washington Hilton Hotel.
http://thegrio.com/2013/01/11/nra-was-pro-gun-control-when-it-came-to-black-panthers/2/

Just as I suspected..............
Hypocrites!!  Racist hypocrites!!

OK,........maybe that's a bit premature, I admit, because there might be another "angle" to the story.

But,....I doubt it.  If there is, I'd be interested - even eager - to hear/see it.
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Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: iceman4221 on January 12, 2013, 12:30:43 AM
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Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: y04185 on January 12, 2013, 05:56:46 PM
TheGrio?  K---- please. 

BTW, of all his accomplishments a a California Assemblyman that dribble you posted isn't even mentioned.  Read 'em and weep. (http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Don-Mulford-Longtime-Assemblyman-2792988.php)

Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: Bison66 on January 12, 2013, 09:42:08 PM
You, y04, KNOW dribble VERY well, boy.

Most of your posts are in that category.

Now....

There is no logic to what you are saying;
What?  Because it wasn't mentioned in his obit it didn't happen?  Is that what you intend to imply?  There are - NO DOUBT - many things that the man did in his life that were not mentioned in his obit.  Who knows, maybe he wasn't proud of the Act carrying his name........or his family asked that it not be mentioned in his obit (those things do happen when public figures die).

I gave my source - The Grio - saying what happened.

Your turn, y04, to provide a source disputing the facts.

We ALL know that this will be your cue to run away like a chicken.  But just in case, I'll check back later.

But, y04, not only is your logic weak :brickwall:, your "argument" has NO facts to back it up.  Here are some facts. :thefan:

PBS reported on the Mulford Act and the context of it:
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It began shortly after the shooting of Denzil Dowell. East [EDIT] Bay legislator Don Mulford introduced a bill to repeal the law that permitted citizens to carry loaded weapons in public places so long as the weapons were openly displayed [see link to California Penal Code, Sections 12031 and 171.c]. What the Mulford law sought to achieve was the elimination of the Black Panther Police Patrols, and it had been tagged "the Panther Bill" by the media.
http://www.pbs.org/hueypnewton/actions/actions_capitolmarch.html

Run away..............

And RE: the NRA....
To put you out of your misery, I provide here the link to a scholarly treatise on gun control published in the Harvard Law Review.  Hopefully, you will find that source acceptable.  BUT since you have NEVER questioned OS' usual source - World Net Daily - who knows?

And you got the nerve to question the veracity of The Grio!!!
Please, boy.

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The Executive Vice President of the NRA testified before Congress that no “sane American, who calls himself an American, can object to placing in [the Gun Control Act of 1968] the instrument which killed [President Kennedy].”  Keersten Heskin, Easier Than Obtaining a Driver’s License: The Federal Licensing of Gun Dealers, 46 FLA. L. REV. 805, 819 n.123 (1994); see also NRA Staff, Congress Threshes Out Gun Law Issue: Senators Defeat Four Registration and Licensing Attempts, AM. RIFLEMAN, Nov.  1968, at  22,  22 (“[W]hile the interstate features of the measure ‘appear unduly restrictive and unjustified in their application to law-abiding citizens, the measure as a whole appears to be one that the sportsmen of America can live with and we are particularly glad to see 3 positive recommendations of the NRA become law.’” (quoting NRA Executive Vice
President Franklin L. Orth)).   
See footnote #58 on page 205 of the Harvard Law Review
http://hlr.rubystudio.com/media/pdf/siegel.pdf

So, the GRIO had it exactly correct and you, y04, clearly were out to lunch - as usual.

Now, y04, either you provide contradictory "facts" or go sit down in a corner.
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Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: y04185 on January 12, 2013, 09:59:56 PM
The bill was originally written because of the Hell's Angels.  The Black Panthers, because their theatrics in Sacramento, got the bill rushed through and passed. 

Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: Bison66 on January 12, 2013, 10:41:06 PM
The bill was originally written because of the Hell's Angels.  The Black Panthers, because their theatrics in Sacramento, got the bill rushed through and passed.  

No actually it was written because of Alice in Wonderland. :tongue2:
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Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: MisterIkester on January 13, 2013, 01:10:26 AM
K---- please. 

What's with the name-calling?

You don't have to answer that. Not that you ever would, since your governor, Bobby Flay, has your balls in his purse.
Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: soflorattler on January 13, 2013, 06:03:14 AM
B66 went all Jake Gaither on y. He killed a mosquito with an axe!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: Bison66 on January 13, 2013, 09:18:12 AM
B66 went all Jake Gaither on y. He killed a mosquito with an axe!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Only because my can of Raid was out of reach.

But, SoFlo, I was kind enough NOT to even mention that:
1) his post was a deflection from the point (and title) of the thread or
2) he failed to post a link (which is his big "point" to others)

Hey, just having fun and getting ready to go the all-inclusive beach resort today!!!  Only an hours drive.
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Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: MisterIkester on January 13, 2013, 09:44:40 AM
Y's wandering the mean streets of Lynchburg like:

(http://files.myopera.com/D4rk%204ng3L/blog/HeadlessChicken.gif)

But seriously, 66, enjoy your vacation. :)
Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: Bison66 on January 13, 2013, 02:39:20 PM
Thanks, Ikester!

I'm off now, but it IS a working vacation.  This is a trip Mrs. Bison66 and I are sponsoring.

I'll be back in tme to watch the Inauguration of RE-ELECTED PRESIDENT OBAMA.
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Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: Optimusprime on January 13, 2013, 07:47:59 PM
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Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: oldsport on January 14, 2013, 11:02:07 AM
The bill was originally written because of the Hell's Angels.  The Black Panthers, because their theatrics in Sacramento, got the bill rushed through and passed. 



y, truth and objectivity has never stopped these K----s from the idiotic post.

Thanks for your tmely post to nip their usual BS in the bud.
Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: Strike79 on January 14, 2013, 11:22:25 AM
The bill was originally written because of the Hell's Angels.  The Black Panthers, because their theatrics in Sacramento, got the bill rushed through and passed. 



y, truth and objectivity has never stopped these K----s from the idiotic post.

Thanks for your tmely post to nip their usual BS in the bud.
???...........he hasn't "nipped" a DAMN thing.  All he has done is make great strides to supplant YOU as the most ridiculous poster on OW.

You guys DESERVE each other.  :(
Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: jag4life on January 14, 2013, 03:55:17 PM
Drivel, not Dribble
Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: Bison66 on January 23, 2013, 12:48:52 AM
As promised, I am checking back to see if y04 would have something substantial to add since he questioned the Griot as a source (whose story was entirely accurate).

But, as I predicted, he had nothing to add.

No such prediction was needed for OS, for obvious reasons.
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Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: Bison66 on March 19, 2013, 09:29:47 PM
More information on the fRight's history of racist hypocrisy re: guns and Black people.

After several armed Black Panthers LEGALLY entered the California State Capitol:
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THE PANTHERS’ METHODS provoked an immediate backlash. The day of their statehouse protest, lawmakers said the incident would speed enactment of Mulford’s gun-control proposal. Mulford himself pledged to make his bill even tougher, and he added a provision barring anyone but law enforcement from bringing a loaded firearm into the state capitol.

Republicans in California eagerly supported increased gun control. Governor Reagan told reporters that afternoon that he saw “no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons.” He called guns a “ridiculous way to solve problems that have to be solved among people of good will.” In a later press conference, Reagan said he didn’t “know of any sportsman who leaves his home with a gun to go out into the field to hunt or for target shooting who carries that gun loaded.” The Mulford Act, he said, “would work no hardship on the honest citizen.”

The fear inspired by black people with guns also led the United States Congress to consider new gun restrictions, after the summer of 1967 brought what the historian Harvard Sitkoff called the “most intense and destructive wave of racial violence the nation had ever witnessed.” Devastating riots engulfed Detroit and Newark. Police and National Guardsmen who tried to help restore order were greeted with sniper fire....

...The Fourteenth Amendment illustrates a common dynamic in America’s gun culture: extremism stirs a strong reaction. The aggressive Southern effort to disarm the freedmen prompted a constitutional amendment to better protect their rights. A hundred years later, the Black Panthers’ brazen insistence on the right to bear arms led whites, including conservative Republicans, to support new gun control. Then the pendulum swung back. The gun-control laws of the late 1960s, designed to restrict the use of guns by urban black leftist radicals, fueled the rise of the present-day gun-rights movement—one that, in an ironic reversal, is predominantly white, rural, and politically conservative.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/09/the-secret-history-of-guns/308608/2/

Lots more of the history here and, strangely, NO mention of Hell's Angels or even Alice in Wonderland.

This part is of PARTICULAR INTEREST given the extremes on both sides of the issue:
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...While the two sides disagree on the meaning of the Second Amendment, they share a similar view of the right to bear arms: both see such a right as fundamentally inconsistent with gun control, and believe we must choose one or the other. Gun rights and gun control, however, have lived together since the birth of the country. Americans have always had the right to keep and bear arms as a matter of state constitutional law. Today, 43 of the 50 state constitutions clearly protect an individual’s right to own guns, apart from militia service.

Yet we’ve also always had gun control. The Founding Fathers instituted gun laws so intrusive that, were they running for office today, the NRA would not endorse them. While they did not care to completely disarm the citizenry, the founding generation denied gun ownership to many people: not only slaves and free blacks, but law-abiding white men who refused to swear loyalty to the Revolution.

For those men who were allowed to own guns, the Founders had their own version of the “individual mandate” that has proved so controversial in President Obama’s health-care-reform law: they required the purchase of guns. A 1792 federal law mandated every eligible man to purchase a military-style gun and ammunition for his service in the citizen militia. Such men had to report for frequent musters—where their guns would be inspected and, yes, registered on public rolls.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/09/the-secret-history-of-guns/308608/
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Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: oldsport on March 20, 2013, 10:03:09 AM
The Black Panthers was a criminal front and idiots who were bamboozled by white leftest. In the end their criminal intent came out. Look it up you IDIOTS.
Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: Bison66 on March 20, 2013, 06:38:16 PM
As usual Oldsport misses the point OR pretends to because, JUST like uch and y04, he cannot dispute the actual issue at hand.  OS: TRY AGAIN to comprehend the title of this thread.

The merits or demerits of the BPP are not at issue here.  Reagan's comments back then did not mention criminality; he mentioned his opposition to citizens carrying loaded weapons.  Nor could OS contradict the FACT that the Founders Fathers - WHO KNEW THE INTENT OF THE 2ND AMENDMENT BETTER THAN WAYNE LAPIERRE - REQUIRED that guns BE REGISTERED!!!!!!

Altho, y'all have to admit it IS hilarious to watch OS justify white people - because of something positive they did, like the Liberty U founder - NO MATTER HOW DESPICABLE their other actions might be while he NEVER misses a chance to denounce or minimize Black people for real or perceived misdeeds when OUR good acts are mentioned.

I've recently provided the example of his irrelevant, irresponsible and unsubstantiated slander against Pullman Porters, but here's another one.

Wangari Maathai
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She won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2004 for promoting conservation, women's rights and transparent government - the first African woman to get the award.

She was elected as an MP in 2002 and served as a minister in the Kenyan government for a time.

Ms Maathai founded the Green Belt Movement, which has planted 20-30 million trees in Africa.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15056502
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/55581000/jpg/_55581444_55581443.jpg)

When this Kenyan Sister was awarded the Nobel Prize in 2004, OS posted an article from some fRight Wing racist that ridiculed her and dismissed her work because, NOW GET THIS, the effort at reforestation by this one woman who organized poor rural women did not plant as many trees as the entire output of all the multi-billion dollar wood product companies in the USA!!!
Consider that most of her work was done in Kenya which has an area of 224,962 square miles about the size of Nevada!!!!

But all OS saw was an African/Black woman who, in his twisted mind as a "not so much" a believer in white so-called supremacy, deserved nothing but derision.

This is what he ignored:
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The Green Belt Movement (GBM) was founded by Professor Wangari Maathai in 1977 under the auspices of the National Council of Women of Kenya (NCWK) to respond to the needs of rural Kenyan women who reported that their streams were drying up, their food supply was less secure, and they had to walk further and further to get firewood for fuel and fencing. GBM encouraged the women to work together to grow seedlings and plant trees to bind the soil, store rainwater, provide food and firewood, and receive a small monetary token for their work.

Shortly after beginning this work, Professor Maathai saw that behind the everyday hardships of the poor—environmental degradation, deforestation, and food insecurity—were deeper issues of disempowerment, disenfranchisement, and a loss of the traditional values that had previously enabled communities to protect their environment, work together for mutual benefit, and to do both selflessly and honestly. The Green Belt Movement instituted seminars in civic and environmental education, now called Community Empowerment and Education seminars (CEE), to encourage individuals to examine why they lacked agency to change their political, economic, and environmental circumstances. Participants began to understand that for years they had been placing their trust in leaders who had betrayed them and that they were sabotaging their lives by not working for the common good and failing to use their natural resources wisely.

Consequently, the Green Belt Movement began to advocate for greater democratic space and more accountability from national leaders. It fought against land grabbing and the encroachment of agriculture into the forests. It contested the placement of a tower block in Uhuru Park in downtown Nairobi and joined others to call for the release of political prisoners. In recent years, it has extended its reach internationally to campaign and advocate on climate change, the importance of Africa’s rainforests in the Congo, to initiate the mottainai campaign—an effort to instill the notions of “reduce, reuse, recycle” in Kenya and around the world—and has partnered with the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) in its Billion Tree Campaign.

But like the brain-washed person that Carter Woodson described, he was COMPELLED to find his own personal back door.  As if that wasn't enough, then OS even argued that Professor Maathai was not a REAL African because she had a college* education!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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* Wangari Muta Maathai (1 April 1940 – 25 September 2011) was a Kenyan environmental and political activist. She was educated in the United States at Mount St. Scholastica and the University of Pittsburgh, as well as the University of Nairobi in Kenya.
From Wiki:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wangari_Maathai

P.S.  I suspect we may now hear the "Dementia Defense" from OS, claiming that he doesn't remember.
Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: Bison66 on March 21, 2013, 06:22:56 PM
OK, Oldsport can't handle the truth about the NRA, Reagan and the fRight Wing, so he tries to change the subject to the BPP.
The Black Panthers was a criminal front and idiots who were bamboozled by white leftest. In the end their criminal intent came out. Look it up you IDIOTS.

Let me correct that for OS:
"The FBI under Eddie Hoover was a criminal front and were anti-democratic scum who were directed by a self-hating deep in the closet white gay guy. In the end their criminal actions came out. Look it up you, IDIOT."

Of course, OS can find NO fault with the FBI's lawlessness, criminality, conspiracy to murder, repeated and UNpunished violations of the Constitution and murder OR Eddie Hoover's paranoia, hatred of Dr. King and direction of many illegal acts "under the color of law."

Just one example:
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"Geronimo" Pratt took over as the leader of the Los Angeles chapter of the Black Panther party after Carter's murder. A 1970 FBI memo reads that "constant consideration is given to the possibility of the utilisation of counterintelligence measures with efforts being directed toward neutralising Pratt as an effective BPP functionary." Pratt was convicted of murder in 1972 based on the false testimony of Julius Butler, an FBI informant. Pratt's conviction was overturned in 1997, after he had spent 27 years behind bars. Hoover, describing another Cointelpro operation, explains that the "purpose of counterintelligence action is to disrupt BPP and it is immaterial whether facts exist to substantiate the charge."

Of course, one might think that it is only meet that a government police force crack down on a supposedly violent group by any means necessary, especially if it is "the greatest threat to the internal security of the country", as Hoover called the Panthers. However, it was not because of their guns (always legally held and handled) that he deemed them so: it was because of the Panthers' Free Breakfasts for Children programme. As Hoover chides an FBI agent: "You state that the Bureau under the CIP should not attack programmes of community interest such as the BPP 'Breakfast for Children'. You state that this is because many prominent 'humanitarians', both white and black, are interested in the programme as well as churches which are actively supporting it. You have obviously missed the point."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/apr/04/preventingtheriseofamessi
The author of this article is an outstanding mathematician.
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Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: Bison66 on March 28, 2013, 06:22:09 PM
As usual, the Apologist for white supremacy and criminal actions against Black people has not a word to say about the violations of the Constitution by the government - unless a Black person is President.
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Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: Bison66 on April 01, 2013, 10:02:52 PM
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Brother makes his point in STRONG language that offends some, but there is much truth to it.
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Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: Bison66 on April 01, 2013, 11:00:32 PM
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Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: soflorattler on April 02, 2013, 02:45:43 AM
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Brother makes his point in STRONG language that offends some, but there is much truth to it.
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Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: Bison66 on November 27, 2014, 01:11:20 PM
More proof of the racist hypocrisy of some white Americans re: gun policies and Black folks:

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Stronger opposition to gun control by US whites has not always been the case. During the civil rights movement of the late 60 s, black activists exercised their right to carry loaded firearms in order to provide protection from police and extreme white factions [13]. The response from US whites was to demand stricter gun control. The Mulford Act was signed into law by Californian governor Ronald Reagan in 1967, and prohibited the carrying of loaded firearms in public [13]. The social landscape has changed considerably, and most recent data indicates a quite different view on gun control by whites, with 53% of whites wanting to protect the right to own guns, whereas only 24% of blacks do...

...It has been found that racial stereotypes (e.g., that blacks are violent) are related to US whites’ fears of violence from blacks, and to their support for crime-related policy measures, such as building prisons, and the death penalty [19], [20]. Support for such policies is particularly pronounced in US whites who hold higher levels of racism [19]. Strong evidence also supports the notion that negative racial stereotypes and attitudes are related to people’s perceptions of threat from black gun-related violence [20]. Additionally, US research using measures of implicit race attitudes (e.g., Implicit Association Test; IAT) have shown a preference for whites over blacks [21] and appear to influence people’s political decisions, and even choices of medical procedures for blacks [22]–[24]. For instance, measures of explicit and implicit racism measures predicted opposition to Obama’s health reforms [23]...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3815007/

Note the "Mulford Act" mentioned above.  Want a good laugh?  Check out y04's comment earlier in this thread in which he seems to express doubt that Mulford proposed the law that bears his name BECAUSE, he said, it was not in his obituary!!!   :lmao:
 :lmao:

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Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: Bison66 on November 26, 2015, 06:36:41 PM
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Tweets by actor Wendell Pierce:

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If every Black male 18-35 applied for a conceal& carry permit, and then joined NRA in one day; there would be gun control laws in a second

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The Deacons of Defense, the precursor to the Black Panthers,were criminalized for exercising 2ndAmendment rights in Bogolusa LA.

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When it comes to Black folk exercising 2nd amendment rights, gun control historically becomes priority
https://twitter.com/WendellPierce/status/668630026800074753?s=04
Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: JAG89 on November 27, 2015, 12:07:36 AM
Y's wandering the mean streets of Lynchburg like:

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But seriously, 66, enjoy your vacation. :)

I hope he is not in education there keeping the poor Black kids there dumb and stupid like himself. What I know about Lynchburg, Black folks are completely out of touch with what is going on around them.
Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: Professor on November 27, 2015, 11:46:57 AM
I think every Black man should have a concealed carry permit in their state. 
Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: Cats4ever on November 27, 2015, 02:44:30 PM
I think every Black man should have a concealed carry permit in their state. 
You will have a gun control bill out within a day or two of this happening.
Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: soflorattler on November 27, 2015, 03:51:41 PM
I think every Black man should have a concealed carry permit in their state. 
You will have a gun control bill out within a day or two of this happening.

 :nod:
Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: Bison66 on July 12, 2016, 12:53:18 PM
The NRA stays consistently hypocritical in re: to guns and Black folks.

Black elected officials voicing their position with VIDEO:

Black, Gun-Owning Congressman Says The NRA Doesn’t Care About Black People

(http://cdn.thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/08111549/richmond-1024x684.jpg)

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Rep. Cedric Richmond (D-LA), himself a gun owner, gave a passionate speech accusing the NRA of not carrying about the welfare of black people.
“The hypocrisy there is so blatant,” he said. “I always thought the NRA was not concerned about me. And I hunt and I fish and I own a gun. But the last few days have clarified it for me — that their Second Amendment concern is not a voice of concern for African Americans. And I just believe that we cannot give them a pass on not making a comment.”

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/07/08/3796723/richmond-nra/

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Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: Bison66 on February 22, 2018, 04:47:45 PM
b.o.t.

See last post in this thread...

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Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: CIAA-FAN on February 23, 2018, 12:45:55 PM
THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE. THE NRA IS NOTHING MORE THAN AN EFFORT TO 'MAWA'.  :popcorn:
Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: CU1994 on February 23, 2018, 08:34:19 PM
Just going back over this thread. Bison66 killed Y with facts.  :lmao:
Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: Bison66 on February 23, 2018, 11:57:43 PM
Just going back over this thread. Bison66 killed Y with facts.  :lmao:

No competition...but I thank you for the observation.

That's why I have looked for other "Conservatives" (and succeeded in bringing one) to O-dan.  I was hoping for a higher level of intellect and more challenging discussions.

Unfortunately, y04 won't bring anyone and Olds..t knows no one and pretends his imaginary 'friends' read posts here.  If they do exist they are TOO AFRAID to join in.

The one Conservative I brought, stepped in it right away with a major misstatement of fact which she then tried to spin - before she ran away like Olds..t and y04 have made a career of doing.

Another who I invited apparently decided not to post anything even after our great Webmaster cleared the way for him to participate.  That would have been interesting because he and I are line Brothers.

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Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: Bison66 on February 25, 2018, 12:54:45 AM
Philando Castile’s Mother Blasts NRA Head for Staying Silent In Wake of Son’s Death

“He didn’t say anything because my son was Black."

“If he really cared about the good guys out here, he would have stood up for my son,” she told the New York Daily News “It’s about money. This country is run off money. Everybody wants a piece.

“My son was one of the good guys, but him being Black, obviously they didn’t see him as a good guy,” added Castile, who said she’s still “mad as hell.” “They’ve yet to say anything about my son.”


http://atlantablackstar.com/2018/02/23/philando-castiles-mother-blasts-nra-head-staying-silent-wake-sons-death/?utm_content=bufferd43d7&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

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Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: soflorattler on February 25, 2018, 07:26:35 AM

That's why I have looked for other "Conservatives" (and succeeded in bringing one) to O-dan.  I was hoping for a higher level of intellect and more challenging discussions.


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You'd have better luck winning the Powerball.
Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: Bison66 on February 25, 2018, 11:27:24 AM

That's why I have looked for other "Conservatives" (and succeeded in bringing one) to O-dan.  I was hoping for a higher level of intellect and more challenging discussions.


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You'd have better luck winning the Powerball.

But,...I keep playing!!!

I take a different approach from many folks (on FB) who defriended people who supported #ErraticTrump.  I emailed two former neighbors (not my Friends on FB) and two current neighbors who were/are his supporters and challenged them.  No reply.

My approach is to engage, challenge and expose.  I have no delusions about changing their minds, but they're gonna KNOW they've been called out by someone who knows them.  No anonymity!!!!

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Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: Bison66 on February 27, 2018, 10:19:16 PM
Remove the spaces in this link

https://www.  facebook.   com/TYTBreakdown/videos/380153092462134/

Otherwise the link does not show up in the post...   :shrug:

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Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: Bison66 on April 22, 2019, 01:48:27 AM
As usual Oldsport misses the point OR pretends to because, JUST like uch and y04, he cannot dispute the actual issue at hand.  OS: TRY AGAIN to comprehend the title of this thread.

The merits or demerits of the BPP are not at issue here.  Reagan's comments back then did not mention criminality; he mentioned his opposition to citizens carrying loaded weapons.  Nor could OS contradict the FACT that the Founders Fathers - WHO KNEW THE INTENT OF THE 2ND AMENDMENT BETTER THAN WAYNE LAPIERRE - REQUIRED that guns BE REGISTERED!!!!!!

Altho, y'all have to admit it IS hilarious to watch OS justify white people - because of something positive they did, like the Liberty U founder - NO MATTER HOW DESPICABLE their other actions might be while he NEVER misses a chance to denounce or minimize Black people for real or perceived misdeeds when OUR good acts are mentioned.

I've recently provided the example of his irrelevant, irresponsible and unsubstantiated slander against Pullman Porters, but here's another one.

Wangari Maathai
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She won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2004 for promoting conservation, women's rights and transparent government - the first African woman to get the award.

She was elected as an MP in 2002 and served as a minister in the Kenyan government for a time.

Ms Maathai founded the Green Belt Movement, which has planted 20-30 million trees in Africa.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15056502
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/55581000/jpg/_55581444_55581443.jpg)

When this Kenyan Sister was awarded the Nobel Prize in 2004, OS posted an article from some fRight Wing racist that ridiculed her and dismissed her work because, NOW GET THIS, the effort at reforestation by this one woman who organized poor rural women did not plant as many trees as the entire output of all the multi-billion dollar wood product companies in the USA!!!
Consider that most of her work was done in Kenya which has an area of 224,962 square miles about the size of Nevada!!!!

But all OS saw was an African/Black woman who, in his twisted mind as a "not so much" a believer in white so-called supremacy, deserved nothing but derision.

This is what he ignored:
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The Green Belt Movement (GBM) was founded by Professor Wangari Maathai in 1977 under the auspices of the National Council of Women of Kenya (NCWK) to respond to the needs of rural Kenyan women who reported that their streams were drying up, their food supply was less secure, and they had to walk further and further to get firewood for fuel and fencing. GBM encouraged the women to work together to grow seedlings and plant trees to bind the soil, store rainwater, provide food and firewood, and receive a small monetary token for their work.

Shortly after beginning this work, Professor Maathai saw that behind the everyday hardships of the poor—environmental degradation, deforestation, and food insecurity—were deeper issues of disempowerment, disenfranchisement, and a loss of the traditional values that had previously enabled communities to protect their environment, work together for mutual benefit, and to do both selflessly and honestly. The Green Belt Movement instituted seminars in civic and environmental education, now called Community Empowerment and Education seminars (CEE), to encourage individuals to examine why they lacked agency to change their political, economic, and environmental circumstances. Participants began to understand that for years they had been placing their trust in leaders who had betrayed them and that they were sabotaging their lives by not working for the common good and failing to use their natural resources wisely.

Consequently, the Green Belt Movement began to advocate for greater democratic space and more accountability from national leaders. It fought against land grabbing and the encroachment of agriculture into the forests. It contested the placement of a tower block in Uhuru Park in downtown Nairobi and joined others to call for the release of political prisoners. In recent years, it has extended its reach internationally to campaign and advocate on climate change, the importance of Africa’s rainforests in the Congo, to initiate the mottainai campaign—an effort to instill the notions of “reduce, reuse, recycle” in Kenya and around the world—and has partnered with the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) in its Billion Tree Campaign.

But like the brain-washed person that Carter Woodson described, he was COMPELLED to find his own personal back door.  As if that wasn't enough, then OS even argued that Professor Maathai was not a REAL African because she had a college* education!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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* Wangari Muta Maathai (1 April 1940 – 25 September 2011) was a Kenyan environmental and political activist. She was educated in the United States at Mount St. Scholastica and the University of Pittsburgh, as well as the University of Nairobi in Kenya.
From Wiki:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wangari_Maathai

P.S.  I suspect we may now hear the "Dementia Defense" from OS, claiming that he doesn't remember.

A short video on the strong Sister from Kenya:
https://www.facebook.com/brutnature/videos/202306896992982/

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Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: soflorattler on April 22, 2019, 05:57:02 AM
As usual Oldsport misses the point OR pretends to because, JUST like uch and y04, he cannot dispute the actual issue at hand.  OS: TRY AGAIN to comprehend the title of this thread.

The merits or demerits of the BPP are not at issue here.  Reagan's comments back then did not mention criminality; he mentioned his opposition to citizens carrying loaded weapons.  Nor could OS contradict the FACT that the Founders Fathers - WHO KNEW THE INTENT OF THE 2ND AMENDMENT BETTER THAN WAYNE LAPIERRE - REQUIRED that guns BE REGISTERED!!!!!!

Altho, y'all have to admit it IS hilarious to watch OS justify white people - because of something positive they did, like the Liberty U founder - NO MATTER HOW DESPICABLE their other actions might be while he NEVER misses a chance to denounce or minimize Black people for real or perceived misdeeds when OUR good acts are mentioned.

I've recently provided the example of his irrelevant, irresponsible and unsubstantiated slander against Pullman Porters, but here's another one.

Wangari Maathai
Quote
She won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2004 for promoting conservation, women's rights and transparent government - the first African woman to get the award.

She was elected as an MP in 2002 and served as a minister in the Kenyan government for a time.

Ms Maathai founded the Green Belt Movement, which has planted 20-30 million trees in Africa.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15056502
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/55581000/jpg/_55581444_55581443.jpg)

When this Kenyan Sister was awarded the Nobel Prize in 2004, OS posted an article from some fRight Wing racist that ridiculed her and dismissed her work because, NOW GET THIS, the effort at reforestation by this one woman who organized poor rural women did not plant as many trees as the entire output of all the multi-billion dollar wood product companies in the USA!!!
Consider that most of her work was done in Kenya which has an area of 224,962 square miles about the size of Nevada!!!!

But all OS saw was an African/Black woman who, in his twisted mind as a "not so much" a believer in white so-called supremacy, deserved nothing but derision.

This is what he ignored:
Quote
The Green Belt Movement (GBM) was founded by Professor Wangari Maathai in 1977 under the auspices of the National Council of Women of Kenya (NCWK) to respond to the needs of rural Kenyan women who reported that their streams were drying up, their food supply was less secure, and they had to walk further and further to get firewood for fuel and fencing. GBM encouraged the women to work together to grow seedlings and plant trees to bind the soil, store rainwater, provide food and firewood, and receive a small monetary token for their work.

Shortly after beginning this work, Professor Maathai saw that behind the everyday hardships of the poor—environmental degradation, deforestation, and food insecurity—were deeper issues of disempowerment, disenfranchisement, and a loss of the traditional values that had previously enabled communities to protect their environment, work together for mutual benefit, and to do both selflessly and honestly. The Green Belt Movement instituted seminars in civic and environmental education, now called Community Empowerment and Education seminars (CEE), to encourage individuals to examine why they lacked agency to change their political, economic, and environmental circumstances. Participants began to understand that for years they had been placing their trust in leaders who had betrayed them and that they were sabotaging their lives by not working for the common good and failing to use their natural resources wisely.

Consequently, the Green Belt Movement began to advocate for greater democratic space and more accountability from national leaders. It fought against land grabbing and the encroachment of agriculture into the forests. It contested the placement of a tower block in Uhuru Park in downtown Nairobi and joined others to call for the release of political prisoners. In recent years, it has extended its reach internationally to campaign and advocate on climate change, the importance of Africa’s rainforests in the Congo, to initiate the mottainai campaign—an effort to instill the notions of “reduce, reuse, recycle” in Kenya and around the world—and has partnered with the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) in its Billion Tree Campaign.

But like the brain-washed person that Carter Woodson described, he was COMPELLED to find his own personal back door.  As if that wasn't enough, then OS even argued that Professor Maathai was not a REAL African because she had a college* education!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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* Wangari Muta Maathai (1 April 1940 – 25 September 2011) was a Kenyan environmental and political activist. She was educated in the United States at Mount St. Scholastica and the University of Pittsburgh, as well as the University of Nairobi in Kenya.
From Wiki:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wangari_Maathai

P.S.  I suspect we may now hear the "Dementia Defense" from OS, claiming that he doesn't remember.

A short video on the strong Sister from Kenya:
https://www.facebook.com/brutnature/videos/202306896992982/

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Truly a child of the Most High!! 😇
Title: Re: The NRA Was Not Always Against Gun Control - Not When it Involved Black People
Post by: WileECoyote06 on April 22, 2019, 10:40:55 PM
A good listen from the New Yorker Radio Hour
https://player.fm/series/the-new-yorker-radio-hour-94072/the-nras-financial-mess