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Title: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: Bison 4 Life on November 27, 2010, 03:10:04 AM
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The FBI thwarted an attempted terrorist bombing in Portland's Pioneer Courthouse Square before the city's annual tree-lighting Friday night, according to the U.S. Attorney's Office in Oregon.

A Corvallis man, thinking he was going to ignite a bomb, drove a van to the corner of the square at Southwest Yamhill Street and Sixth Avenue and attempted to detonate it.

However, the supposed explosive was a dummy that FBI operatives supplied to him, according to an affidavit in support of a criminal complaint signed Friday night by U.S. Magistrate Judge John V. Acosta.

Mohamed Osman Mohamud, 19, a Somali-born U.S. citizen, was arrested at 5:42 p.m., 18 minutes before the tree lighting was to occur, on an accusation of attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction. The felony charge carries a maximum sentence of life in prison and a $250,000 fine.

The arrest was the culmination of a long-term undercover operation, during which Mohamud had been monitored for months as his alleged bomb plot developed.

"The device was in fact inert, and the public was never in danger," according to a news release from the U.S. Attorney's Office.

The investigation involved the FBI, Oregon State Police, Portland Police Bureau, Corvallis Police Department and Lincoln County Sheriff's Office.


Mohamed Osman Mohamud
Mohamud will appear in U.S. District Court in Portland on Monday.

"This defendant's chilling determination is a stark reminder that there are people -- even here in Oregon -- who are determined to kill Americans," said Oregon U.S. Attorney Dwight Holton. "The good work of law enforcement protected Oregonians in this case -- and we have no reason to believe there is any continuing threat arising from this case."

According to the FBI affidavit, the case began in August 2009 when Mohamud was in e-mail contact with an unindicted associate overseas who was believed to be involved in terrorist activities. In December 2009, while the unindicted associate was in a frontier province of Pakistan, Mohamud and the associate discussed the possibility of Mohamud traveling to Pakistan to participate in violent jihad.

The associate allegedly referred Mohamud to a second associate overseas and provided him with a name and e-mail address. In the months that followed, Mohamud made several unsuccessful attempts to contact the second associate.

Ultimately, an FBI undercover operative contacted Mohamud in a June 2010 e-mail under the guise of being an associate of the first unindicted associate.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/11/fbi_thwarts_terrorist_bombing.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/11/fbi_thwarts_terrorist_bombing.html)

Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: Optimusprime on November 27, 2010, 12:42:02 PM
First of all, this guy is in for a long legal process. 

Second, YOU FOOL!!!
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: Cats4ever on November 27, 2010, 12:50:16 PM
First of all, this guy is in for a long legal process. 

Second, YOU FOOL!!!
:nod:
WHAT THE LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL WAS HE THINKING OR SMOKING? I just would like to know why he wanted to do such a thing?
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: CIAA-FAN on November 27, 2010, 03:21:29 PM
HE IS GOING TO HAVE QUITE  FEW YEARS TO CONTEMPLATE THE ERROR OR HIS WAYS.


First of all, this guy is in for a long legal process. 

Second, YOU FOOL!!!
:nod:
WHAT THE LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL WAS HE THINKING OR SMOKING? I just would like to know why he wanted to do such a thing?
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: y04185 on November 27, 2010, 03:49:49 PM
HE IS GOING TO HAVE QUITE  FEW YEARS TO CONTEMPLATE THE ERROR OR HIS WAYS.


First of all, this guy is in for a long legal process. 

Second, YOU FOOL!!!
:nod:
WHAT THE LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL WAS HE THINKING OR SMOKING? I just would like to know why he wanted to do such a thing?

the problem is he doesn't think he has done anything wrong.
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: Neymar on November 27, 2010, 04:07:23 PM
Somali are cool people.

Loyal as all get out, and strong with their love for god.

My best friend back in school was from Mogadishu. We use to skip school and chew khat. :lol:

I use to wear her headscarf too on days it was hot and she didnt want to.
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: Neymar on November 27, 2010, 04:40:51 PM
This was entrapment too
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: Bison 4 Life on November 27, 2010, 04:44:37 PM
Neymar,

I guess this guy trying to maim and kill hundreds means little? ::)
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: Neymar on November 27, 2010, 05:09:41 PM
Neymar,

I guess this guy trying to maim and kill hundreds means little? ::)

If we are in the business from stopping people from dying, then I guess we should arrest people who smoke cigarettes eh?
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: Cats4ever on November 27, 2010, 06:31:08 PM
This was entrapment too
The articles stated that he tried to contact someone and the FBI did not contact him.
Let us look at what the law says:
In criminal law, entrapment is constituted by a law enforcement agent inducing a person to commit an offense that the person would otherwise have been unlikely to commit.
However, there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime.

It appears that the person in question was willing to commit the crime and was searching for help in committing the crime; thus, no entrapment.
Why would you support a person willing to do such a terrible thing?
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: Neymar on November 27, 2010, 06:42:08 PM
This was entrapment too
The articles stated that he tried to contact someone and the FBI did not contact him.
Let us look at what the law says:
In criminal law, entrapment is constituted by a law enforcement agent inducing a person to commit an offense that the person would otherwise have been unlikely to commit.
However, there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime.

It appears that the person in question was willing to commit the crime and was searching for help in committing the crime; thus, no entrapment.
Why would you support a person willing to do such a terrible thing?

They set up a false scenario for him....that is entrapment.

I'm not supporting him, but dont you think there are enough African people in jail in America without FBI agents making up false scenarios to catch more of them?
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: Wildman78 on November 27, 2010, 07:00:25 PM
[They set up a false scenario for him....that is entrapment.

I'm not supporting him, but dont you think there are enough African people in jail in America without FBI agents making up false scenarios to catch more of them?


The mere creation of a  false scenario by law enformcement agents is not entrapment.

Ninth Circuit Model Criminal Jury Instructions
6.2 ENTRAPMENT

The defendant contends that [he] [she] was entrapped by a government agent. The government has the burden of proving beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant was not entrapped. The government must prove either:

1. the defendant was predisposed to commit the crime before being contacted by government agents, or

2. the defendant was not induced by the government agents to commit the crime.

When a person, independent of and before government contact, is predisposed to commit the crime, it is not entrapment if government agents merely provide an opportunity to commit the crime. In determining whether the defendant was predisposed to commit the crime before being approached by government agents, you may consider the following:

1. whether the defendant demonstrated reluctance to commit the offense;

2. the defendant’s character and reputation;

3. whether government agents initially suggested the criminal activity;

4. whether the defendant engaged in the criminal activity for profit; and

5. the nature of the government’s inducement or persuasion.

In determining whether the defendant was induced by government agents to commit the offense, you may consider any government conduct creating a substantial risk that an otherwise innocent person would commit an offense, including persuasion, fraudulent representations, threats, coercive tactics, harassment, promises of reward, or pleas based on need, sympathy or friendship.

http://207.41.19.15/web/sdocuments.nsf/ddfcae883f401d45882576f100661bbb/0340f460973794d8882576fc007c37a0?OpenDocument

Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: Cats4ever on November 27, 2010, 07:14:52 PM
This was entrapment too
The articles stated that he tried to contact someone and the FBI did not contact him.
Let us look at what the law says:
In criminal law, entrapment is constituted by a law enforcement agent inducing a person to commit an offense that the person would otherwise have been unlikely to commit.
However, there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime.

It appears that the person in question was willing to commit the crime and was searching for help in committing the crime; thus, no entrapment.
Why would you support a person willing to do such a terrible thing?

They set up a false scenario for him....that is entrapment.

I'm not supporting him, but dont you think there are enough African people in jail in America without FBI agents making up false scenarios to catch more of them?

It was in his mind to commit this crime and the gov't has to provide the court system with some evidence.  Now I can see here and yell that I am going to blow something up all day long, but I never act upon it, then it is no crime.  The man had a mind to commit a crime because he did several things:
1) Looked and search for someone to provide the material to commit the crime.
2) Actually tried to commit the crime.
The last action got his butt in jail.
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: Neymar on November 27, 2010, 07:20:57 PM
This was entrapment too
The articles stated that he tried to contact someone and the FBI did not contact him.
Let us look at what the law says:
In criminal law, entrapment is constituted by a law enforcement agent inducing a person to commit an offense that the person would otherwise have been unlikely to commit.
However, there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime.

It appears that the person in question was willing to commit the crime and was searching for help in committing the crime; thus, no entrapment.
Why would you support a person willing to do such a terrible thing?

They set up a false scenario for him....that is entrapment.

I'm not supporting him, but dont you think there are enough African people in jail in America without FBI agents making up false scenarios to catch more of them?

It was in his mind to commit this crime and the gov't has to provide the court system with some evidence.  Now I can see here and yell that I am going to blow something up all day long, but I never act upon it, then it is no crime.  The man had a mind to commit a crime because he did several things:
1) Looked and search for someone to provide the material to commit the crime.
2) Actually tried to commit the crime.
The last action got his butt in jail.

Man...this is kinda BS.

This scenario wouldnt have even been set up if he was white and named "Timothy" no matter what he way saying on the net.
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: Wildman78 on November 27, 2010, 07:23:54 PM

Man...this is kinda BS.

This scenario wouldnt have even been set up if he was white and named "Timothy" no matter what he way saying on the net.

::) Well, I doubt that he has a viable "selective prosecution"  defense.

BTW, you ever watch "To Catch A Predator?"  Plenty of scenarios are set up to catch White Folks.  :shrug:
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: y04185 on November 27, 2010, 07:44:36 PM

Man...this is kinda BS.

This scenario wouldnt have even been set up if he was white and named "Timothy" no matter what he way saying on the net.

::) Well, I doubt that he has a viable "selective prosecution"  defense.

BTW, you ever watch "To Catch A Predator?"  Plenty of scenarios are set up to catch White Folks.  :shrug:


even those named timothy.  they only give white guys with the name moon unit a pass on entrapment.
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: Neymar on November 27, 2010, 07:59:19 PM

Man...this is kinda BS.

This scenario wouldnt have even been set up if he was white and named "Timothy" no matter what he way saying on the net.

::) Well, I doubt that he has a viable "selective prosecution"  defense.

BTW, you ever watch "To Catch A Predator?"  Plenty of scenarios are set up to catch White Folks.  :shrug:


To catch a predator was cancelled for the very reason it was entrapment.
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: Wildman78 on November 27, 2010, 08:11:35 PM

Man...this is kinda BS.

This scenario wouldnt have even been set up if he was white and named "Timothy" no matter what he way saying on the net.

::) Well, I doubt that he has a viable "selective prosecution"  defense.

BTW, you ever watch "To Catch A Predator?"  Plenty of scenarios are set up to catch White Folks.  :shrug:


To catch a predator was cancelled for the very reason it was entrapment.

Sir, I don't know why To Catch Predator was cancelled. [ I do remember some story about a prosecutor caught in the sting committing suicide] However, I do know that law enforcement officers  use similar type scenarios  to catch White child predators, and the convictions are upheld. In any event, your point still fails.

You suggested that these type of "set up"  scenarios aren't used to against White people. That simply isn't true.

You also suggested that this was entrapment simply because the police created the scenario. That is not the law.

If the case goes to trial, I wouldn't be surprised if the defense lawyers argued entrapment. However, this does not appear to be a case of entrapment as a matter of law -- in other words, the judge isn't likely to dismiss this case. It's going to go to a jury  -- if it goes to trial at all.
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: westcoastaggie on November 27, 2010, 08:16:46 PM
NEVER argue a Lawyer when you aren't one. I had to learn this the hard way...  :brickwall:
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: y04185 on November 27, 2010, 08:25:40 PM
neymar, i told you wildman would explain entrapment to you.  this somali was not entrapped.  the 82 year old man that got the 80 year sentence, who happened to be white, was not entrapped.  wildman broke it down real good. 
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: Wildman78 on November 27, 2010, 08:31:07 PM
neymar, i told you wildman would explain entrapment to you.  this somali was not entrapped.  the 82 year old man that got the 80 year sentence, who happened to be white, was not entrapped.  wildman broke it down real good.  

This White guy wasn't entrapped (at least not as a matter of law) either:

NEWS
Ex-weatherman imprisoned for soliciting boy released
By Sofia Santana STAFF WRITER, By Sofia Santana STAFF WRITER, December 12, 2008
A former South Florida TV weatherman whose high-visibility career was ruined by an Internet sex sting four years ago has been released from federal prison, government records show. Bill Kamal, 51, was recently moved from a facility in Massachusetts to a halfway house program in Philadelphia, according to the U.S. Bureau of Prisons Web site. It was unclear if that's where Kamal, a former Fort Lauderdale resident, will remain until the scheduled end of his sentence in March. Kamal, a very familiar face to South Florida television viewers, was chief meteorologist at WSVN-Ch.

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/keyword/bill-kamal

As to the case at hand,  its going to be hard to convince a jury that the government talked a person into blowing up thousands of people.  ::)
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: Neymar on November 27, 2010, 08:36:41 PM

Man...this is kinda BS.

This scenario wouldnt have even been set up if he was white and named "Timothy" no matter what he way saying on the net.

::) Well, I doubt that he has a viable "selective prosecution"  defense.

BTW, you ever watch "To Catch A Predator?"  Plenty of scenarios are set up to catch White Folks.  :shrug:


To catch a predator was cancelled for the very reason it was entrapment.

Sir, I don't know why To Catch Predator was cancelled. [ I do remember some story about a prosecutor caught in the sting committing suicide] However, I do know that law enforcment officers  use similar type scenarios  to catch White child predators, and the convictions are upheld. In any event, your point still fails.

You suggested that these type of "set up"  scenarios aren't used to against White people. That simply isn't true.

You also suggested that this was entrapment simply because the police created the scenario. That is not the law.

If the case goes to trial, I wouldn't be surprised if the defense lawyers argued entrapment. However, this does not appear to be a case of entrapment as a matter of law -- in other words, the judge isn't likely to dismiss this case. It's going to go to a jury  -- if it goes to trial at all.


I said if Brother Mohamud was a white christian teenager named Timothy they wouldnt have used this scenario on him, and I believe it.

Everybody believes child touchers are bad, but only the white mainstream of America believe Islam is bad, which was why they targeted Brother Mohamud in the first place.
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: CIAA-FAN on November 27, 2010, 09:11:16 PM
ARE YOU AN AMERICAN CITIZEN?

Somali are cool people.

Loyal as all get out, and strong with their love for god.

My best friend back in school was from Mogadishu. We use to skip school and chew khat. :lol:

I use to wear her headscarf too on days it was hot and she didnt want to.
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: Wildman78 on November 27, 2010, 09:41:59 PM
[I said if Brother Mohamud was a white christian teenager named Timothy they wouldnt have used this scenario on him, and I believe it.

Everybody believes child touchers are bad, but only the white mainstream of America believe Islam is bad, which was why they targeted Brother Mohamud in the first place.

You also said it was entrapment just because the government set up a false scenario for him. That is not the law.

Just cause you believe someting doesn't necessarily make it true (or legally relevant for that matter) . I don't think the government would have any qualms about settting up sting scenarios to catch White Christian domestic terrorists.  

I don't know if I would  make a blanket statement that White manistream believes that Islam is bad.  Both former President Bush and President Obama have stated publicy on more than one occasion that we are not at war with the religion Islam -- only the radical extremists who wish to kill Amiericans. In any event its quite a stetch, in my opinion, to assert, that the government targeted this guy soley because he practices Islam.  The criminal complaint paints a different picture:

http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/USAFFIDAVIT.pdf

It seems to me he was targeted because he was looking to do some damage, not because he was Islamic.

Your argument is that the government would not use a sting to catch a  White Christian who had expressed a willingness to blow up thousands of innocent people in the name of White supremacy or some  other anti-government cause. That doesn't pass the  straight face test with me.

You can spin this anyway you wish but as I said before, its going to be hard to convince a jury that the government talked that young Somalian man into blowing up thousands of people.  ::)  

But you are entitled to your (unsubstantiated) opinion.
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: Cats4ever on November 27, 2010, 10:11:38 PM
The best way to put this is if he did not intend to blow something up in the first place, he could not have gotten in trouble. Look at this way, I can give you a bomb, but if you do not have to use it, there is no crime. The gov't gave him the bomb, but this fool took it to the site and then he pulled the trigger. I bet you one million dollars that they had some hidden cameras and the pulling of the trigger shows his true intent.  The facts that he tried to carry out the act is the big thing.
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: G-Man Fan on November 27, 2010, 10:12:02 PM
I smell false flag.
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: y04185 on November 28, 2010, 04:14:20 AM
[I said if Brother Mohamud was a white christian teenager named Timothy they wouldnt have used this scenario on him, and I believe it.

Everybody believes child touchers are bad, but only the white mainstream of America believe Islam is bad, which was why they targeted Brother Mohamud in the first place.

You also said it was entrapment just because the governmet set up a false scenario for him. That is not the law.

Just cause you believe someting doesn't necessarily make it true (or legally relevant for that matter) . I don't think the government would have any qualms about settting up sting scenarios to catch White Christian domestic terrorists.  

I don't know if I would  make a blanket statement that White manistream believes that Islam is bad.  Both former President Bush and President Obama have stated publicy on more than one occasion that we are not at war with the religion Islam -- only the radical extremists who wish to kill Amiericans. In any event its quite a stetch, in my opinion, to assert, that the government targeted this guy soley because he practices Islam.  The criminal complaint paints a different picture:

http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/USAFFIDAVIT.pdf

It seems to me he was targeted because he was looking to do some damage, not because he was Islamic.

Your argument is that the government would not use a sting to catch a  White Christian who had expressed a willingness to blow up thousands of innocent people in the name of White supremacy or some  other anti-government cause. That doesn't pass the  straight face test with me.

You can spin this anyway you wish but as I said before, its going to be hard to convince a jury that the government talked that young Somalian man into blowing up thousands of people.  ::)  

But you are entitled to your (unsubstantiated) opinion.


he's never heard of ruby ridge.  note - now neymar will go to wikipedia, look it up, and be an expert.
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: Bison 4 Life on November 28, 2010, 05:22:22 AM
I'm sorry can't feel sory for this fool. He wanted to murder dozens , if not hundreds of civilians.
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: y04185 on November 28, 2010, 07:17:16 AM
all neymar has to do is drop leaflets with this guy's picture on it in the hills of kentucky.  on the leaflet explain that neymar thinks this guy was entrapped because he is muslim.  the leaflet will explain that in 30 minutes he will be released and when he is spotted to do the right thing.  the leaflet will also say that because he is muslim their hogs and stills will be safe.
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: Neymar on November 28, 2010, 10:26:16 AM
[I said if Brother Mohamud was a white christian teenager named Timothy they wouldnt have used this scenario on him, and I believe it.

Everybody believes child touchers are bad, but only the white mainstream of America believe Islam is bad, which was why they targeted Brother Mohamud in the first place.

You also said it was entrapment just because the governmet set up a false scenario for him. That is not the law.

Just cause you believe someting doesn't necessarily make it true (or legally relevant for that matter) . I don't think the government would have any qualms about settting up sting scenarios to catch White Christian domestic terrorists.  

I don't know if I would  make a blanket statement that White manistream believes that Islam is bad.  Both former President Bush and President Obama have stated publicy on more than one occasion that we are not at war with the religion Islam -- only the radical extremists who wish to kill Amiericans. In any event its quite a stetch, in my opinion, to assert, that the government targeted this guy soley because he practices Islam.  The criminal complaint paints a different picture:

http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/USAFFIDAVIT.pdf

It seems to me he was targeted because he was looking to do some damage, not because he was Islamic.

Your argument is that the government would not use a sting to catch a  White Christian who had expressed a willingness to blow up thousands of innocent people in the name of White supremacy or some  other anti-government cause. That doesn't pass the  straight face test with me.

You can spin this anyway you wish but as I said before, its going to be hard to convince a jury that the government talked that young Somalian man into blowing up thousands of people.  ::)  

But you are entitled to your (unsubstantiated) opinion.


he's never heard of ruby ridge.  note - now neymar will go to wikipedia, look it up, and be an expert.

Not interested
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: Neymar on November 28, 2010, 10:39:54 AM
I'm sorry can't feel sory for this fool. He wanted to murder dozens , if not hundreds of civilians.

Not quite.

One must examine what a civilian is, through the context of the person using the military action.

Are you truly a civilian to a muslim if you pay taxes, which go towards the genocide of Muslims around the world? :shrug:
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: CIAA-FAN on November 28, 2010, 10:43:47 AM
ARE YOU AN AMERICAN CITIZEN?

Somali are cool people.

Loyal as all get out, and strong with their love for god.

My best friend back in school was from Mogadishu. We use to skip school and chew khat. :lol:

I use to wear her headscarf too on days it was hot and she didnt want to.

LET ME TRY AGAIN.  ARE YOU A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: Neymar on November 28, 2010, 10:47:25 AM
ARE YOU AN AMERICAN CITIZEN?

Somali are cool people.

Loyal as all get out, and strong with their love for god.

My best friend back in school was from Mogadishu. We use to skip school and chew khat. :lol:

I use to wear her headscarf too on days it was hot and she didnt want to.

LET ME TRY AGAIN.  ARE YOU A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?

Yes.
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: iceman4221 on November 28, 2010, 11:26:03 AM

But you are entitled to your (unsubstantiated) opinion.


he's never heard of ruby ridge.  note - now neymar will go to wikipedia, look it up, and be an expert.

Not interested


Ignorance is not Bliss, especially when you are trying to "make a point".  Your argument is rendered impotent due to a lack of empirical data to support your stated belief and/or position...  

This forum has numerous posts where we merely share our opinion, but most posters know that when they make a "blanket statement" and/or share a strong opinion, that they had day yum well have some factual data to support their stated position otherwise you quickly lose credibility...  
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: iceman4221 on November 28, 2010, 11:27:22 AM
Somali are cool people.

Loyal as all get out, and strong with their love for god.

My best friend back in school was from Mogadishu. We use to skip school and chew khat. :lol:

I use to wear her headscarf too on days it was hot and she didnt want to.

So are you are a terrorist sympathizer?
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: westcoastaggie on November 28, 2010, 11:28:23 AM
 :thefan:
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: iceman4221 on November 28, 2010, 11:36:13 AM
Neymar,

I guess this guy trying to maim and kill hundreds means little? ::)

If we are in the business from stopping people from dying, then I guess we should arrest people who smoke cigarettes eh?

Poor analogy!!!  The lack of intent to willfully induce harm to innocent victims does not exist where an individual chooses to begin and continue smoking potentially leading to a slow break down of their immunity system and potentially death of their own life...  

Start over and try using something that is "sprung" on an unsuspecting public and it kills and maims them and leaves the injured and observers and hearers of the incident in a state of panic, fear or delirium...  Go ahead, I'll wait... ;D ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: iceman4221 on November 28, 2010, 11:40:28 AM

I'm not supporting him, but dont you think there are enough African people in jail in America without FBI agents making up false scenarios to catch more of them?


That's a poor argument for justification of not jailing a DETERMINED Bomber of American Citizens...  You can not set someone up that 'Does NOT" go along with or participate in the scheme - that bucket ain't holding no water Neymar...  
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: iceman4221 on November 28, 2010, 11:43:07 AM
neymar, i told you wildman would explain entrapment to you.  this somali was not entrapped.  the 82 year old man that got the 80 year sentence, who happened to be white, was not entrapped.  wildman broke it down real good. 

 :nod: :nod: :nod: But of course... :nod: :nod: :nod:
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: Cats4ever on November 28, 2010, 03:17:02 PM
I'm sorry can't feel sory for this fool. He wanted to murder dozens , if not hundreds of civilians.

Not quite.

One must examine what a civilian is, through the context of the person using the military action.

I do not control how the tax money is spent. I have never been in the military and do not support all actions of the Military.  How do you know if the people of that town support the actions of the Military? 
Are you truly a civilian to a muslim if you pay taxes, which go towards the genocide of Muslims around the world? :shrug:
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: CIAA-FAN on November 28, 2010, 03:59:20 PM
ARE YOU AN AMERICAN CITIZEN?

Somali are cool people.

Loyal as all get out, and strong with their love for god.

My best friend back in school was from Mogadishu. We use to skip school and chew khat. :lol:

I use to wear her headscarf too on days it was hot and she didnt want to.

LET ME TRY AGAIN.  ARE YOU A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?

Yes.

NATURALIZED OR NATURAL?
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: Neymar on December 02, 2010, 12:27:57 AM
I'm sorry can't feel sory for this fool. He wanted to murder dozens , if not hundreds of civilians.

Not quite.

One must examine what a civilian is, through the context of the person using the military action.

I do not control how the tax money is spent. I have never been in the military and do not support all actions of the Military.  How do you know if the people of that town support the actions of the Military? 
Are you truly a civilian to a muslim if you pay taxes, which go towards the genocide of Muslims around the world? :shrug:

Dosent matter. If I kill your mom and didnt mean to mean I didnt kill your mom?

If memory serves me correct there were plenty of people who called themselves Muslims that died on 9/11
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: Neymar on December 02, 2010, 12:28:21 AM
ARE YOU AN AMERICAN CITIZEN?

Somali are cool people.

Loyal as all get out, and strong with their love for god.

My best friend back in school was from Mogadishu. We use to skip school and chew khat. :lol:

I use to wear her headscarf too on days it was hot and she didnt want to.

LET ME TRY AGAIN.  ARE YOU A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?

Yes.

NATURALIZED OR NATURAL?

Natural
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: CIAA-FAN on December 02, 2010, 06:32:14 PM
ARE YOU AN AMERICAN CITIZEN?

Somali are cool people.

Loyal as all get out, and strong with their love for god.

DID YOU CHEW KHAT WHILE IN SCHOOL HERE OR OVER IN THE MIDDLE EAST?   DON'T WORRY, I AM NOT A DEA AGENT OR EVEN REMOTELY CONCERNED WITH YOUR PERSONAL DRUG HABITS.

JUST CUROIUS?
My best friend back in school was from Mogadishu. We use to skip school and chew khat. :lol:

I use to wear her headscarf too on days it was hot and she didnt want to.

LET ME TRY AGAIN.  ARE YOU A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?

Yes.

NATURALIZED OR NATURAL?

Natural
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: uchighlander on December 02, 2010, 06:47:26 PM
ARE YOU AN AMERICAN CITIZEN?

Somali are cool people.

Loyal as all get out, and strong with their love for god.

My best friend back in school was from Mogadishu. We use to skip school and chew khat. :lol:

I use to wear her headscarf too on days it was hot and she didnt want to.

LET ME TRY AGAIN.  ARE YOU A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?

Yes.

NATURALIZED OR NATURAL?

Natural
Were you born to an american citizen outside of the US? You said in a previous post you followed your kin to the US. GO VIKINGS!!!
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: Neymar on December 02, 2010, 08:40:55 PM
ARE YOU AN AMERICAN CITIZEN?

Somali are cool people.

Loyal as all get out, and strong with their love for god.

DID YOU CHEW KHAT WHILE IN SCHOOL HERE OR OVER IN THE MIDDLE EAST?   DON'T WORRY, I AM NOT A DEA AGENT OR EVEN REMOTELY CONCERNED WITH YOUR PERSONAL DRUG HABITS.

JUST CUROIUS?
My best friend back in school was from Mogadishu. We use to skip school and chew khat. :lol:

I use to wear her headscarf too on days it was hot and she didnt want to.

LET ME TRY AGAIN.  ARE YOU A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?

Yes.

NATURALIZED OR NATURAL?

Natural

I chewed Khat in London and the greater Yorkshire area. Im shocked its illegal in the US, its pretty much  coffee.
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: Neymar on December 02, 2010, 08:41:55 PM
ARE YOU AN AMERICAN CITIZEN?

Somali are cool people.

Loyal as all get out, and strong with their love for god.

My best friend back in school was from Mogadishu. We use to skip school and chew khat. :lol:

I use to wear her headscarf too on days it was hot and she didnt want to.

LET ME TRY AGAIN.  ARE YOU A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?

Yes.

NATURALIZED OR NATURAL?

Natural
Were you born to an american citizen outside of the US? You said in a previous post you followed your kin to the US. GO VIKINGS!!!

Yeah. The man who slept with my mom to conceive me is American.
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: Golden Kitten on December 06, 2010, 01:29:39 PM
Why y'all?  :shrug:
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: soflorattler on December 06, 2010, 03:22:06 PM
Anyone notice that OS never challenges Neymar? 
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: Que82 on December 06, 2010, 09:13:42 PM
The nominees for a jackazz statement in a chat forum are.

If we are in the business from stopping people from dying, then I guess we should arrest people who smoke cigarettes eh? NEYMAR

Man...this is kinda BS.

This scenario wouldnt have even been set up if he was white and named "Timothy" no matter what he way saying on the net. NEYMAR

I said if Brother Mohamud was a white christian teenager named Timothy they wouldnt have used this scenario on him, and I believe it.

Everybody believes child touchers are bad, but only the white mainstream of America believe Islam is bad, which was why they targeted Brother Mohamud in the first place. NEYMAR

Not quite.

One must examine what a civilian is, through the context of the person using the military action.

Are you truly a civilian to a muslim if you pay taxes, which go towards the genocide of Muslims around the world? NEYMAR

Dosent matter. If I kill your mom and didnt mean to mean I didnt kill your mom?

If memory serves me correct there were plenty of people who called themselves Muslims that died on 9/11 NEYMAR



And the winner is......... :shrug:
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: y04185 on December 07, 2010, 03:43:31 AM
i open the envelope.

i can't believe what i am reading.

i show the card to que82.  he breaks out in a vincent price laugh.

the guy in the production is yelling in my ear to read the dam card.

the card says, 'it's a tie.  the winner is . . . neymar.'

the orchestra starts playing.  the lights come on.  the announcer says, 'elvis has left the building.  thank you and good night.' 
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: Neymar on December 08, 2010, 10:26:57 AM
The nominees for a jackazz statement in a chat forum are.

If we are in the business from stopping people from dying, then I guess we should arrest people who smoke cigarettes eh? NEYMAR

Man...this is kinda BS.

This scenario wouldnt have even been set up if he was white and named "Timothy" no matter what he way saying on the net. NEYMAR

I said if Brother Mohamud was a white christian teenager named Timothy they wouldnt have used this scenario on him, and I believe it.

Everybody believes child touchers are bad, but only the white mainstream of America believe Islam is bad, which was why they targeted Brother Mohamud in the first place. NEYMAR

Not quite.

One must examine what a civilian is, through the context of the person using the military action.

Are you truly a civilian to a muslim if you pay taxes, which go towards the genocide of Muslims around the world? NEYMAR

Dosent matter. If I kill your mom and didnt mean to mean I didnt kill your mom?

If memory serves me correct there were plenty of people who called themselves Muslims that died on 9/11 NEYMAR



And the winner is......... :shrug:

Yeah..because diasgreeing with you makes me a jackazz ::)
Title: Re: Somali born teenager arrested in plot to blow up Xmas ceremony in Oregon
Post by: Que82 on December 08, 2010, 02:56:31 PM
Not disagreeing with me but you make such unintelligent sounding statments.  "If I kill your mom and didnt mean to mean I didnt kill your mom?"  Now that's a jackazz statement if I ever heard one and it has nothing to do with agreement.  :shrug: