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Title: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: NovaSkegee on March 20, 2010, 07:32:30 PM
March 20, 2010

Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Reps. John Lewis, D-Ga., and Andre Carson, D-Ind., both members of the Congressional Black Caucus, say that a group of protesters hollered at them and called them the N-word



By Chad Pergram
FOXNews

Thousands health care reform opponents descended on Capitol Hill Saturday to rally against Sunday's major vote on the package.

But some of the protesters targeted a handful of black members of Congress and one gay lawmaker as they walked from the House office buildings to the Capitol to vote.

Reps. John Lewis, D-Ga, and Andre Carson, D-Ind., both members of the Congressional Black Caucus, say that a group of protesters hollered at them and called them the N-word.

"They were just shouting. Harassing," Lewis said. "People being downright mean."

Lewis was one of the most pivotal figures of the civil rights struggle. He spoke alongside Dr. Martin Luther King at the Lincoln Memorial during the "I Have a Dream" speech. And Alabama State Police fractured the congressman's skull as he led a march across the Edmund Pettus Bridge on what became known as "Bloody Sunday" in 1965.

"It's okay, I've faced this before," said Lewis of Saturday's incident. "I haven't heard anything like this in 40, 45 years. Since the march to Selma, really."

Andre Carson is one of only two Muslims in Congress and was born nine years after "Bloody Sunday." Carson conceded he wasn't used to hearing such epithets.

"The beauty is that I was walking with a good sage who had been there before," Carson said, who with Lewis at the time.

First elected in 1970, Rep. Charlie Rangel, D-N.Y., is one of the founding members of the Congressional Black Caucus.

"You don't see any black folks in these groups," said Rangel. "Ever, ever, ever, ever, ever."

Rangel suggested that some of the protesters knew Lewis' story and deliberately went after him.

"They knew what he represented," he said.

Fellow CBC member Rep. Bobby Scott, D-Va., said nothing would surprise him from some of the bands of health care protesters.

"I have never heard anyone campaign for their freedom to be uninsured. I've never heard anyone campaign against Medicare," said Scott. "That's what you're dealing with."

But African American lawmakers weren't the only targets of the protesters' invective. Rep. Joe Crowley, D-N.Y., says some of the demonstrators also castigated Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., who is gay.

"I don't even want to repeat it," said Crowley when asked what they said to Frank.

A spokeswoman for the U.S. Capitol Police said she was unaware of any law enforcement inquiry into the incidents.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/20/health-care-protesters-hurl-verbal-epithets-african-american-lawmakers/
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: soflorattler on March 20, 2010, 07:49:50 PM


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"You don't see any black folks in these groups," said Rangel. "Ever, ever, ever, ever, ever."


Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: soflorattler on March 20, 2010, 07:53:48 PM
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      I was recently interviewed just this past two weeks by the local affiliate of Fox News Nashville Fox 17 about the Coffee Party and I stated I believe that racism is the motivation for the Tea Party. ( http://www.fox17.com/newsroom/top_stories/wztv_vid_2957.shtml ) I am a born and raised white Tennessean with both parents the same and I can personally attest to the angry racism of the Tea Party. Neither of my parents are racist or taught racism in our home but I have heard enough racism to know it when I see it. These people in the Tea Party are the same people who would be for segregation. The same people who spat on black students trying to integrate public school. I'd dare say they are the same people who would have opposed the abolition of slavery, but I may not go that far.

      Posted by DarrellTN at 03/20/2010 @ 6:36pm (http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat/543344/health_reform_foes_shout_n_word_at_civil_rights_icon)
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Bison66 on March 20, 2010, 11:22:36 PM
Right on, Darrell!!

We need more white "race traitors", who tell it like it is.

John Brown lives!  :nod:

 O0

P.S.  You know when Darrell sends in a resume, with that name he is assumed to be Black. ;D
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Bison 4 Life on March 21, 2010, 08:02:54 AM
I actually saw a white tv preacher/pimp try to link Obama and those voting for this as the start on the road to Armaggedden.

The fear merchants are working overtime.
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Wildman78 on March 21, 2010, 08:07:10 AM
Glenn Beck, Steve King: Health Care Bill Vote an Affront to God

Conservative lawmakers and pundits already have many grievances against the Democratic health care reform plan, but Rep. Steve King of Iowa and Fox News personality Glenn Beck are adding one more to the list -- the vote scheduled for Sunday.

Democrats are scrambling to get the bill to the president before leaving for Easter recess, prompting the House to schedule a vote for the bill this Sunday.


"They intend to vote on the Sabbath, during Lent, to take away the liberty that we have right from God," King said on Beck's radio program Thursday, the Hill reports.


Beck chimed in, "Here is a group of people that have so perverted our faith and our hope and our charity, that is a -- this is an affront to God."


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20000771-503544.html
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Bison66 on March 21, 2010, 01:01:32 PM
On Face The Nation this morning, the host asked Clyburn about the incident, but NEITHER of them actually said what happened!!

They only mentioned protesters and Clyburn said he had not seen anything like it since 1960. 

But NO MENTION that the protesters yelled "N I G G E R" at two members of Congress.

Yeah, the Tea Party continues to be revealed for what is prevalent in its base.
 O0
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: soflorattler on March 21, 2010, 07:57:07 PM
No comment from the board neo-cons yet. Interesting....
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: CIAA-FAN on March 22, 2010, 12:17:04 AM
No comment from the board neo-cons yet. Interesting....

I TOO AWAIT THEIR RESPONSE.
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Bison66 on March 22, 2010, 12:42:25 AM
Me, three!

 O0
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Ramese98 on March 22, 2010, 08:07:17 AM
it will be the same rhetoric and they are waiting on the talking points from the GOP today, to see what the party say they can say. It will soon come down the line, probably around noon or later...
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Cholly on March 22, 2010, 08:30:41 AM
^^^EXACTLY!!!

Don't y'all remember the article on what it takes to be a conservative? Minus 6-11 IQ points compared to liberals?
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Meciber 202 on March 22, 2010, 08:59:59 AM
I too was curious as to how they would rationalize this so I just went to foxnews to find out what our onnidan repubs would be posting later.

It looks like they have two options so far. The first being the incidents never happened. They say there's no video evidence. (Then explain why did the Tea Party leader issue apology statement?) So that brought them to the second option being the democrats put a "plant" inside the demonstration just to make them look bad.  ::)
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Ken on March 22, 2010, 09:00:23 AM
The Tea Party showed their true color--no pun intended.
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Ken on March 22, 2010, 09:02:24 AM
No evidence? 3 of them got arrested by the Capitol police. Only 2 are on the blogger cause one black congressman declined to press charges.  I wish they would have had that demonstration on the corner of 14th & U in DC.
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: sabbathchild on March 22, 2010, 09:16:21 AM


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"You don't see any black folks in these groups," said Rangel. "Ever, ever, ever, ever, ever."



Well this answers my question I posed a few weeks ago.  Knowledge is power and to think some people thought it was just about opposing the POTUS views.  I can understand wanting to put the rose colored glasses on but I know some people on this board has been around longer than I have so you should have suspected this from the start.  This comes as no surprise to me but now with the skirt snatched off this mug.  My question to those who supported this group 'what now?'
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Meciber 202 on March 22, 2010, 09:38:00 AM
^^^ this is where you come in Highlander, or Uchi for short.  :-X
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Valley Girl on March 22, 2010, 09:45:17 AM
Yall leave os alone..he is probably very busy writing a letter to the state of Hawaii requesting the President's "real" birth records..

Or he's on his way to Indonesia..

Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: CIAA-FAN on March 22, 2010, 10:08:00 AM
No comment from the board neo-cons yet. Interesting....

I TOO AWAIT THEIR RESPONSE.
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Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Meciber 202 on March 22, 2010, 10:16:59 AM
Yall leave os alone..he is probably very busy writing a letter to the state of Hawaii requesting the President's "real" birth records..

Or he's on his way to Indonesia..



No, I suspect all the top-level "visionary" people are planning to go to Costa Rica.
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Pitbull on March 22, 2010, 10:34:15 AM
No comment from the board neo-cons yet. Interesting....

I TOO AWAIT THEIR RESPONSE.
.

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Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Golden Kitten on March 22, 2010, 10:47:09 AM
Y'all are cracking me up... :lol: :lol: :lol:

(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f162/GoldenKitten917/pinocchio008.gif)
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Valley Girl on March 22, 2010, 11:14:59 AM
"They" are on their way to Costa Rica, but "they" sent os on a dummy mission..umm, I mean "top secret special assignment" to Indonesia to secure the real Indonesian school records...Jerome Corsi is gonna meet him over there ;D

Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Meciber 202 on March 22, 2010, 12:11:43 PM
oops .......  :-X me and my big mouth.  :lol:

Bright side is he may not see this before it's too late.  I don't expect him to show up here anytime soon. (You know with that ssa-whooping they took yesterday.)  :lol:
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Bison66 on March 22, 2010, 12:38:05 PM
Hey, y'all.  Please cool it with that Costa Rica stuff.  That's right next door to Panama and much too close.

How 'bout Romania?  There are fewer people of color there.  Olds..t would be much more comfortable.

 O0
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: oldsport on March 22, 2010, 01:40:28 PM
No comment from the board neo-cons yet. Interesting....

You would think there would be video of this happening. There's none. A CNN producer did not witness these events. He was simply told that these events occurred.

In fact, Lewis and Frank were hoping this reaction would occurr. These drama moma's created it.
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Bison66 on March 22, 2010, 01:49:04 PM
Denial is not just a river in Africa!!!

And I guess the protester who spit on another Black congressman was arrested based on something being created, too, huh?
 O0
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: uchighlander on March 22, 2010, 01:50:22 PM
If it DID happen......that's really a shame. The reason......it gives you liberals a chance to paint everyone with the same brush. That would be like me painting all the liberals on this board with the same brush because of the statements that Cholly makes. GO VIKINGS!!!
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: oldsport on March 22, 2010, 01:55:00 PM
If it DID happen......that's really a shame. The reason......it gives you liberals a chance to paint everyone with the same brush. That would be like me painting all the liberals on this board with the same brush because of the statements that Cholly makes. GO VIKINGS!!!

I doubt it occurred. If it did happen don't you think there would be a video of it. People haul instant videos whenever and wherever they are.

If anyone did it, it was move.org or ACORN people sent to set this BS up.
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Meciber 202 on March 22, 2010, 01:55:26 PM
I knew it, I knew it. ... Hey yall, can I claim to be a "prophet" now.  :angel:

yall can start bowing anytime now  :bow: :bow:

aint gonna say I had inside information but check that other thread.  :nod:
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: oldsport on March 22, 2010, 01:58:17 PM
I too was curious as to how they would rationalize this so I just went to foxnews to find out what our onnidan repubs would be posting later.

It looks like they have two options so far. The first being the incidents never happened. They say there's no video evidence. (Then explain why did the Tea Party leader issue apology statement?) So that brought them to the second option being the democrats put a "plant" inside the demonstration just to make them look bad.  ::)

It wouldn't be farfetched. The sleeze balls in move.org and ACORN are known to this type BS.
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Meciber 202 on March 22, 2010, 02:11:26 PM
I too was curious as to how they would rationalize this so I just went to foxnews to find out what our onnidan repubs would be posting later.

It looks like they have two options so far. The first being the incidents never happened. They say there's no video evidence. (Then explain why did the Tea Party leader issue apology statement?) So that brought them to the second option being the democrats put a "plant" inside the demonstration just to make them look bad.  ::)

It wouldn't be farfetched. The sleeze balls in move.org and ACORN are known to this type BS.

oldsport, you got to admit I hit this one straight out the park - two swing and two homers. The bold red highlight above is my proof of what I predicted and below what you said.

If it DID happen......that's really a shame. The reason......it gives you liberals a chance to paint everyone with the same brush. That would be like me painting all the liberals on this board with the same brush because of the statements that Cholly makes. GO VIKINGS!!!

I doubt it occurred. If it did happen don't you think there would be a video of it. People haul instant videos whenever and wherever they are.

If anyone did it, it was move.org or ACORN people sent to set this BS up.


PRICELESS !!!

Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Bison66 on March 22, 2010, 02:28:46 PM
I knew it, I knew it. ... Hey yall, can I claim to be a "prophet" now.  :angel:

yall can start bowing anytime now  :bow: :bow:

aint gonna say I had inside information but check that other thread.  :nod:

 :bow: :bow: :bow:

Gotta give it up to you.

Also, notice no response to the spitting incident.
 O0
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Bison66 on March 22, 2010, 02:42:51 PM
If it DID happen......that's really a shame. The reason......it gives you liberals a chance to paint everyone with the same brush. That would be like me painting all the liberals on this board with the same brush because of the statements that Cholly makes. GO VIKINGS!!!

highlander,

You make a VERY revealing comment here.

It is NOT a shame, you seem to say, that some folks are openly racist and disrespectful, just that ("The reason...") their despicable behavior could be used to label others with whom you agree.

Wow!!!  That's pretty disgusting for my taste.

But...........let's go with your only expressed concern, if it "DID" happen.  I would assume that they were part of a crowd of other protesters.  What did those protesters do?  Surely, THEY would be the ones with camera/video phones on site.  Did THEY chastise their fellow protesters for their racist language?  Have THEY come forward to denounce the racism and distance themselves from it, as the spokesperson did?

Just curious.
 O0
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: sabbathchild on March 22, 2010, 02:49:52 PM
I too was curious as to how they would rationalize this so I just went to foxnews to find out what our onnidan repubs would be posting later.

It looks like they have two options so far. The first being the incidents never happened. They say there's no video evidence. (Then explain why did the Tea Party leader issue apology statement?) So that brought them to the second option being the democrats put a "plant" inside the demonstration just to make them look bad.  ::)

It wouldn't be farfetched. The sleeze balls in move.org and ACORN are known to this type BS.

oldsport, you got to admit I hit this one straight out the park - two swing and two homers. The bold red highlight above is my proof of what I predicted and below what you said.

If it DID happen......that's really a shame. The reason......it gives you liberals a chance to paint everyone with the same brush. That would be like me painting all the liberals on this board with the same brush because of the statements that Cholly makes. GO VIKINGS!!!

I doubt it occurred. If it did happen don't you think there would be a video of it. People haul instant videos whenever and wherever they are.

If anyone did it, it was move.org or ACORN people sent to set this BS up.


PRICELESS !!!


:bow: :bow: :bow: nuff respect due!
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: uchighlander on March 22, 2010, 03:49:36 PM
If it DID happen......that's really a shame. The reason......it gives you liberals a chance to paint everyone with the same brush. That would be like me painting all the liberals on this board with the same brush because of the statements that Cholly makes. GO VIKINGS!!!

highlander,

You make a VERY revealing comment here.

It is NOT a shame, you seem to say, that some folks are openly racist and disrespectful, just that ("The reason...") their despicable behavior could be used to label others with whom you agree.

Wow!!!  That's pretty disgusting for my taste.

But...........let's go with your only expressed concern, if it "DID" happen.  I would assume that they were part of a crowd of other protesters.  What did those protesters do?  Surely, THEY would be the ones with camera/video phones on site.  Did THEY chastise their fellow protesters for their racist language?  Have THEY come forward to denounce the racism and distance themselves from it, as the spokesperson did?

Just curious.
 O0
I don't understand what you are trying to say. It's digusting that it's a shame someone may have shouted an epitaph? I wasn't there....I don't know if it happened....were you there? I don't know if they chastised the hater. I am to take it that you agree with the name calling of Cholly? That's pretty disgusting for my taste. GO VIKINGS!!!
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: soflorattler on March 22, 2010, 08:13:45 PM
If it DID happen......that's really a shame. The reason......it gives you liberals a chance to paint everyone with the same brush. That would be like me painting all the liberals on this board with the same brush because of the statements that Cholly makes. GO VIKINGS!!!

I doubt it occurred. If it did happen don't you think there would be a video of it. People haul instant videos whenever and wherever they are.

If anyone did it, it was move.org or ACORN people sent to set this BS up.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

CEDRIC THE ENTERTAINER MOVE OVER!! YOU'VE BEEN UPSTAGED!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

OS, for real bruh, you really missed your REAL calling... :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Bison66 on March 22, 2010, 08:36:47 PM
If it DID happen......that's really a shame. The reason......it gives you liberals a chance to paint everyone with the same brush. That would be like me painting all the liberals on this board with the same brush because of the statements that Cholly makes. GO VIKINGS!!!

highlander,

You make a VERY revealing comment here.

It is NOT a shame, you seem to say, that some folks are openly racist and disrespectful, just that ("The reason...") their despicable behavior could be used to label others with whom you agree.

Wow!!!  That's pretty disgusting for my taste.

But...........let's go with your only expressed concern, if it "DID" happen.  I would assume that they were part of a crowd of other protesters.  What did those protesters do?  Surely, THEY would be the ones with camera/video phones on site.  Did THEY chastise their fellow protesters for their racist language?  Have THEY come forward to denounce the racism and distance themselves from it, as the spokesperson did?

Just curious.
 O0
I don't understand what you are trying to say. It's digusting that it's a shame someone may have shouted an epitaph? I wasn't there....I don't know if it happened....were you there? I don't know if they chastised the hater. I am to take it that you agree with the name calling of Cholly? That's pretty disgusting for my taste. GO VIKINGS!!!

I wasn't trying to say nothing...

I said it was disgusting that the only "reason" you said it was a shame if it DID happen was due to the fact that  it gave "...liberals a chance to paint everyone with the same brush."

THAT's what I said.

 O0
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: soflorattler on March 22, 2010, 08:39:31 PM
I knew it, I knew it. ... Hey yall, can I claim to be a "prophet" now.  :angel:

yall can start bowing anytime now  :bow: :bow:

aint gonna say I had inside information but check that other thread.  :nod:


 :bow: :bow: :bow: :clap: :clap: :clap: :bow: :bow: :bow:

 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Bison66 on March 22, 2010, 10:12:34 PM
Denial is not just a river in Africa!!!

And I guess the protester who spit on another Black congressman was arrested based on something being created, too, huh?
 O0

Correction:  There was not an arrest, according to the Capitol Police.

 O0
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Meciber 202 on March 22, 2010, 10:36:43 PM
B66,

I forgot about the spitting incident  >:(   :no:

and we still have "muggs" on here trying to say these things didn't happen..  :crazy:
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Meciber 202 on March 22, 2010, 10:54:52 PM
Highlander,

When you get chance, could you reflect on our conversation awhile back about tea party, and tell me again how you think it's not about race.

And please explain, how spitting, shouting racial slurs and displaying violent poster themes have anything to do with taxes (or even health care for that matter).  Okay ;D
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: oldsport on March 23, 2010, 10:18:52 AM
Highlander,

When you get chance, could you reflect on our conversation awhile back about tea party, and tell me again how you think it's not about race.

And please explain, how spitting, shouting racial slurs and displaying violent poster themes have anything to do with taxes (or even health care for that matter).  Okay ;D

Where was your outrage during the Bush Administration when leftwing/liberals/socialists/communists nutjobs took to the streets of D.C. and other cities on rampages of destruction of public property, disrupting soldiers' funerals, hurling insults at the POTUS, using all forms of profanity?...How about it hypocrite?

You have no evidence that any of the BS that was the subject of this thread actually happened. If it did, it was an anomaly compared to the rule for leftwing/liebrals/socialists/communists nutjob profane and destructive conduct of demonstrations.
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: uchighlander on March 23, 2010, 10:36:17 AM
If it DID happen......that's really a shame. The reason......it gives you liberals a chance to paint everyone with the same brush. That would be like me painting all the liberals on this board with the same brush because of the statements that Cholly makes. GO VIKINGS!!!

highlander,

You make a VERY revealing comment here.

It is NOT a shame, you seem to say, that some folks are openly racist and disrespectful, just that ("The reason...") their despicable behavior could be used to label others with whom you agree.

Wow!!!  That's pretty disgusting for my taste.

But...........let's go with your only expressed concern, if it "DID" happen.  I would assume that they were part of a crowd of other protesters.  What did those protesters do?  Surely, THEY would be the ones with camera/video phones on site.  Did THEY chastise their fellow protesters for their racist language?  Have THEY come forward to denounce the racism and distance themselves from it, as the spokesperson did?

Just curious.
 O0
I don't understand what you are trying to say. It's digusting that it's a shame someone may have shouted an epitaph? I wasn't there....I don't know if it happened....were you there? I don't know if they chastised the hater. I am to take it that you agree with the name calling of Cholly? That's pretty disgusting for my taste. GO VIKINGS!!!

I wasn't trying to say nothing...

I said it was disgusting that the only "reason" you said it was a shame if it DID happen was due to the fact that  it gave "...liberals a chance to paint everyone with the same brush."

THAT's what I said.

 O0
It's a shame on many levels....that was just one of them. I do understand what you meant now. GO VIKINGS!!!
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: uchighlander on March 23, 2010, 10:41:10 AM
Highlander,

When you get chance, could you reflect on our conversation awhile back about tea party, and tell me again how you think it's not about race.

And please explain, how spitting, shouting racial slurs and displaying violent poster themes have anything to do with taxes (or even health care for that matter).  Okay ;D
For the majority of the Tea Party....it's not about race....it's about economics. Like I said before....a few knuckleheads show their stupidity and the liberals paint the entire group as racists. Hell there are racists on this board but that doesn't mean the entire board is racist. GO VIKINGS!!!
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: oldsport on March 23, 2010, 10:50:24 AM
Highlander,

When you get chance, could you reflect on our conversation awhile back about tea party, and tell me again how you think it's not about race.

And please explain, how spitting, shouting racial slurs and displaying violent poster themes have anything to do with taxes (or even health care for that matter).  Okay ;D
For the majority of the Tea Party....it's not about race....it's about economics. Like I said before....a few knuckleheads show their stupidity and the liberals paint the entire group as racists. Hell there are racists on this board but that doesn't mean the entire board is racist. GO VIKINGS!!!


u, I am not going to apologize. Have you ever seen one of these totally out of control leftwing liberal/socialist/communist rallys or protest?
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: oldsport on March 23, 2010, 10:58:35 AM
Where was the outrage from you K----s behind this thuggery from you kind of ideological bent? These are Barry's friends.....


This is not a rarity. This is how the majority of liberal/socialist/communist goons act.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWnxlFbYjVY&feature=PlayList&p=48F0254B1511D428&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=13

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe5J22JPNnU&feature=PlayList&p=D972775C74F6117F&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=55

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe5J22JPNnU&feature=PlayList&p=D972775C74F6117F&index=55
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Pitbull on March 23, 2010, 11:06:28 AM
Where was the outrage from you K----s behind this thuggery from you kind of ideological bent? These are Barry's friends.....


This is not a rarity. This is how the majority of liberal/socialist/communist goons act.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWnxlFbYjVY&feature=PlayList&p=48F0254B1511D428&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=13

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe5J22JPNnU&feature=PlayList&p=D972775C74F6117F&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=55

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe5J22JPNnU&feature=PlayList&p=D972775C74F6117F&index=55

 >:( >:( >:(

Those morons should have been put in jail....There is no room for that kind of B.S. This is the 1st time I have seen this oldsport....But I see you haven't said anything about what the Health Care Protestors did....2 wrongs don't make it right bruh.... >:(
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Meciber 202 on March 23, 2010, 11:13:36 AM
I too was curious as to how they would rationalize this so I just went to foxnews to find out what our onnidan repubs would be posting later.

It looks like they have two options so far. The first being the incidents never happened. They say there's no video evidence. (Then explain why did the Tea Party leader issue apology statement?) So that brought them to the second option being the democrats put a "plant" inside the demonstration just to make them look bad.  ::)

It wouldn't be farfetched. The sleeze balls in move.org and ACORN are known to this type BS.

oldsport, you got to admit I hit this one straight out the park - two swing and two homers. The bold red highlight above is my proof of what I predicted and below what you said.

If it DID happen......that's really a shame. The reason......it gives you liberals a chance to paint everyone with the same brush. That would be like me painting all the liberals on this board with the same brush because of the statements that Cholly makes. GO VIKINGS!!!

I doubt it occurred. If it did happen don't you think there would be a video of it. People haul instant videos whenever and wherever they are.

If anyone did it, it was move.org or ACORN people sent to set this BS up.


PRICELESS !!!



OS, if you could read you'd see my question was directed to Highlander - yall must be sharing the same brain.  It would be pointless for me to try to entertain that bs you posted while responding for Highlander.  :no:

Take some advice and stick to what you do best - cutting and pasting from foxnews.com.   :lol: It's so obvious your IQ is not high enough to match wits with me. It's not my fault; so, don't get mad at me. See my previous post above. Btw, you never did give me my props.  :nono2:
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: oldsport on March 23, 2010, 11:15:06 AM
Where was the outrage from you K----s behind this thuggery from you kind of ideological bent? These are Barry's friends.....


This is not a rarity. This is how the majority of liberal/socialist/communist goons act.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWnxlFbYjVY&feature=PlayList&p=48F0254B1511D428&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=13

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe5J22JPNnU&feature=PlayList&p=D972775C74F6117F&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=55

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe5J22JPNnU&feature=PlayList&p=D972775C74F6117F&index=55

 >:( >:( >:(

Those morons should have been put in jail....There is no room for that kind of B.S. This is the 1st time I have seen this oldsport....But I see you haven't said anything about what the Health Care Protestors did....2 wrongs don't make it right bruh.... >:(

You know why it's the first time you have seen this? It's because the drive by media shields their leftwing nutjob friends.
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Meciber 202 on March 23, 2010, 11:32:51 AM
Highlander,

When you get chance, could you reflect on our conversation awhile back about tea party, and tell me again how you think it's not about race.

And please explain, how spitting, shouting racial slurs and displaying violent poster themes have anything to do with taxes (or even health care for that matter).  Okay ;D
For the majority of the Tea Party....it's not about race....it's about economics. Like I said before....a few knuckleheads show their stupidity and the liberals paint the entire group as racists. Hell there are racists on this board but that doesn't mean the entire board is racist. GO VIKINGS!!!

Highland, I won't try to dispute your claim. However, you cannot say with certainty that it's ONLY a minority of the group. Unless you know them personally, you don't know how many have racist motives. But the thing is, it only takes a handful to work the rest of group into frenzy and have major influence on the rest of the group who may have started with noble intentions. Just look at how the Tea Party action inside congress. Why did GOP representative just shout out at Dem representative who was speaking. Were those his true feelings or was he just caught-up in the moment with the teabaggers.  :shrug:
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: soflorattler on March 23, 2010, 12:15:21 PM
Highlander,

When you get chance, could you reflect on our conversation awhile back about tea party, and tell me again how you think it's not about race.

And please explain, how spitting, shouting racial slurs and displaying violent poster themes have anything to do with taxes (or even health care for that matter).  Okay ;D
For the majority of the Tea Party....it's not about race....it's about economics. Like I said before....a few knuckleheads show their stupidity and the liberals paint the entire group as racists. Hell there are racists on this board but that doesn't mean the entire board is racist. GO VIKINGS!!!

Highland, I won't try to dispute your claim. However, you cannot say with certainty that it's ONLY a minority of the group. Unless you know them personally, you don't know how many have racist motives. But the thing is, it only takes a handful to work the rest of group into frenzy and have major influence on the rest of the group who may have started with noble intentions. Just look at how the Tea Party action inside congress. Why did GOP representative just shout out at Dem representative who was speaking. Were those his true feelings or was he just caught-up in the moment with the teabaggers.  :shrug:

I'll take "True Feelings" for $400 Alex...
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: uchighlander on March 23, 2010, 02:51:47 PM
Highlander,

When you get chance, could you reflect on our conversation awhile back about tea party, and tell me again how you think it's not about race.

And please explain, how spitting, shouting racial slurs and displaying violent poster themes have anything to do with taxes (or even health care for that matter).  Okay ;D
For the majority of the Tea Party....it's not about race....it's about economics. Like I said before....a few knuckleheads show their stupidity and the liberals paint the entire group as racists. Hell there are racists on this board but that doesn't mean the entire board is racist. GO VIKINGS!!!

Highland, I won't try to dispute your claim. However, you cannot say with certainty that it's ONLY a minority of the group. Unless you know them personally, you don't know how many have racist motives. But the thing is, it only takes a handful to work the rest of group into frenzy and have major influence on the rest of the group who may have started with noble intentions. Just look at how the Tea Party action inside congress. Why did GOP representative just shout out at Dem representative who was speaking. Were those his true feelings or was he just caught-up in the moment with the teabaggers.  :shrug:
Let's put it this way.....I know quite a few people who I would consider members of the Tea Party. I've had lots of discussions with them and I've never heard the slightest hint racial hatred. It's all about how this legislation will impact them financially. The bottom line with them is.......there never has been a government program that costs what the projections say it will. Taking $ 500 billion out of medicare.....how is that going to impact seniors? It's a shell game and any intelligent person can see that. I've asked questions about how do you bring 30 million new people into a program with no new doctors? What is the impact? Who is paying for them? This is not a well thought out piece of legislation. To save face the Dems had to pass something and it's going to cost them at the ballot box. GO VIKINGS!!!
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Twin Que ASU on March 23, 2010, 03:04:37 PM
^^^
I know I lean right most of the time when it comes to self made men & people.  I applaud that but sticking to this subject is not a left/right wing lean thing.  The fact of this matter pertaining to the subject is just those folks were dead d&mn wrong and their actions were racists and highly disrespectful.  Those in the media and on this forum and other places that claim that this did not happen or 'they' didn't see or hear it are flat out lying.  Regardless if they saw it or heard it or not, it did happen and their sheepish ignorance only adds to the core of the problem.
Everyone has a right to voice their opinion about anything but the lines of dignity and respect should never be crossed.  That is my rub with the Tea Baggers.  They think that they can be disrespectful and bullish without recourse.  Last count I saw that the majority of lawmakers are not of color..... so why is this a "Black Thing"
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Bison66 on March 23, 2010, 03:25:58 PM
Highlander,

When you get chance, could you reflect on our conversation awhile back about tea party, and tell me again how you think it's not about race.

And please explain, how spitting, shouting racial slurs and displaying violent poster themes have anything to do with taxes (or even health care for that matter).  Okay ;D
For the majority of the Tea Party....it's not about race....it's about economics. .......

That's a valid opinion, highlander, altho you offer no evidence.  

I have a different opinion and until the Tea Party itself expels those folks - LIKE OBAMA HAD TO REJECT, RENOUNCE, CONDEMN, etc Rev. Wright - I'll stick with mine.

As I have said before, white Conservatives and some Black ones seem to find it convenient to admit that racism exists IN GENERAL.  HOWEVER, when it comes to discussing ANYthing in particular, it is never racism.  There is always another rationale to explain behavior or tactics that, IMO, have in common the pursuit of ends which are harmful to Black folks and which maintain white advantage or group benefit.  

So.........
It wasn't racism that buttressed and justified slavery; it was economic interests.

It wasn't racism that had Repubs betray Reconstruction and Dems to destroy it; it was political expediency.

It wasn't racism that reduced many Blacks in the south to near-servitude via share-cropping and limited educational opportunities, municipal services, etc; it was economics.

It wasn't racism to oppose the integration of schools; it was resistance to interference in local affairs by the Supreme Court led by that Communist Earl Warren.

It wasn't racism that kept Blacks out of unions in NYC; it was preferences to relatives of existing members.

It wasn't racism behind opposition to Civil Rights; it was resistance to "outside agitators" and the importance of States' Rights.

It wasn't racism to oppose school busing (despite in some cases, previous busing past closer segregated schools); it was the need for neighborhood schools.

It wasn't racism to oppose "open housing" and the invalidation of discriminatory "covenants"; it was the sanctity of contracts.

It wasn't racism that Dems rejected the freely elected Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party delegates and instead seated the delegates from the whites-only election; it was political expediency.

It isn't racism (despite centuries of preferential treatment for whites as a group) to oppose Affirmative Action; it is fairness based on individuals, not groups.

It isn't racism (despite study after study showing discrimination in test cases) when Black folks complain about job and promotion discrimination; it is an isolated case, if an audio tape surfaces, and, if no tape, a figment of Blacks' imagination.

It isn't racism when white flight from neighborhoods occurs; it is concern about property values.

It isn't racism when white flight from public schools occurs; it is concern about educational quality.

It wasn't racism when white parents in Arizona(?) fought against naming the brand new high school after Dr. King; it was their concern that other racists would discriminate against their kids for college admission thinking it was an inner-city (code for Black) school.  Of course, we would never be able to identify THAT racism in admissions decisions in any specific location.

It isn't racism when cops stop Blacks driving at a much higher rate than whites; it is a coincidence.

It wasn't racism when Black MALE students in dental school with my daughter were given lower grades for superior work (even finally acknowledged by their fellow white students after they first dismissed the claim by Blacks); it was unexplainable.

It wasn't racism when cops fired dozens of times at INNOCENT Black men sitting in a van or at one reaching for his ID or at a group leaving a night club, OR police sodomized a Black suspect in the precinct bathroom, it was job-related stress or a misunderstanding.

It isn't racism that Blacks of equal income receive less aggressive medical care and die at a higher rate;  it is puzzling.

It wasn't racism that had Reagan open his re-election campaign in Philadelphia, Miss; it was the Southern Strategy.

It wasn't racism that fewer than 30% of southern whites voted for Obama; it was....OK, you got me there!


So, it is logical that it is not racism when, ALL OF A SUDDEN, after decades of deficit spending and exploding national debt and the passage of legislation without paying for benefits under white Presidents of either/both parties, folks come out of the woodwork to oppose the current President on economic grounds.  

It is PURE COINCIDENCE, therefore that the President is Black and that anti-govt demonstrations are so emotional and fervent and are peppered with racist signs and behavior AND that hardly any Black folks are there.  

I'll stick with my opinion.  Talk about "knowing racism when I see it."
O0
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: oldsport on March 23, 2010, 03:46:09 PM
Highlander,

When you get chance, could you reflect on our conversation awhile back about tea party, and tell me again how you think it's not about race.

And please explain, how spitting, shouting racial slurs and displaying violent poster themes have anything to do with taxes (or even health care for that matter).  Okay ;D
For the majority of the Tea Party....it's not about race....it's about economics. .......

That's a valid opinion, highlander, altho you offer no evidence.  

I have a different opinion and until the Tea Party itself expels those folks - LIKE OBAMA HAD TO REJECT, RENOUNCE, CONDEMN, etc Rev. Wright - I'll stick with mine.

As I have said before, white Conservatives and some Black ones seem to find it convenient to admit that racism exists IN GENERAL.  HOWEVER, when it comes to discussing ANYthing in particular, it is never racism.  There is always another rationale to explain behavior or tactics that, IMO, have in common the pursuit of ends which are harmful to Black folks and which maintain white advantage or group benefit.  

So.........
It wasn't racism that buttressed and justified slavery; it was economic interests.

It wasn't racism that had Repubs betray Reconstruction and Dems to destroy it; it was political expediency.

It wasn't racism that reduced many Blacks in the south to near-servitude via share-cropping and limited educational opportunities, municipal services, etc; it was economics.

It wasn't racism to oppose the integration of schools; it was resistance to interference in local affairs by the Supreme Court led by that Communist Earl Warren.

It wasn't racism that kept Blacks out of unions in NYC; it was preferences to relatives of existing members.

It wasn't racism behind opposition to Civil Rights; it was resistance to "outside agitators" and the importance of States' Rights.

It wasn't racism to oppose school busing (despite in some cases, previous busing past closer segregated schools); it was the need for neighborhood schools.

It wasn't racism to oppose "open housing" and the invalidation of discriminatory "covenants"; it was the sanctity of contracts.

It wasn't racism that Dems rejected the freely elected Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party delegates and instead seated the delegates from the whites-only election; it was political expediency.

It isn't racism (despite centuries of preferential treatment for whites as a group) to oppose Affirmative Action; it is fairness based on individuals, not groups.

It isn't racism (despite study after study showing discrimination in test cases) when Black folks complain about job and promotion discrimination; it is an isolated case, if an audio tape surfaces, and, if no tape, a figment of Blacks' imagination.

It isn't racism when white flight from neighborhoods occurs; it is concern about property values.

It isn't racism when white flight from public schools occurs; it is concern about educational quality.

It wasn't racism when white parents in Arizona(?) fought against naming the brand new high school after Dr. King; it was their concern that other racists would discriminate against their kids for college admission thinking it was an inner-city (code for Black) school.  Of course, we would never be able to identify THAT racism in admissions decisions in any specific location.

It isn't racism when cops stop Blacks driving at a much higher rate than whites; it is a coincidence.

It wasn't racism when Black MALE students in dental school with my daughter were given lower grades for superior work (even finally acknowledged by their fellow white students after they first dismissed the claim by Blacks); it was unexplainable.

It wasn't racism when cops fired dozens of times at INNOCENT Black men sitting in a van or at one reaching for his ID or at a group leaving a night club, OR police sodomized a Black suspect in the precinct bathroom, it was job-related stress or a misunderstanding.

It isn't racism that Blacks of equal income receive less aggressive medical care and die at a higher rate;  it is puzzling.

It wasn't racism that had Reagan open his re-election campaign in Philadelphia, Miss; it was the Southern Strategy.

It wasn't racism that fewer than 30% of southern whites voted for Obama; it was....OK, you got me there!


So, it is logical that it is not racism when, ALL OF A SUDDEN, after decades of deficit spending and exploding national debt and the passage of legislation without paying for benefits under white Presidents of either/both parties, folks come out of the woodwork to oppose the current President on economic grounds.  

It is PURE COINCIDENCE, therefore that the President is Black and that anti-govt demonstrations are so emotional and fervent and are peppered with racist signs and behavior AND that hardly any Black folks are there.  

I'll stick with my opinion.  Talk about "knowing racism when I see it."
O0

Robert Byrd and the Demo-craps supporrted all the above.
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Meciber 202 on March 23, 2010, 03:51:08 PM
Highlander,

When you get chance, could you reflect on our conversation awhile back about tea party, and tell me again how you think it's not about race.

And please explain, how spitting, shouting racial slurs and displaying violent poster themes have anything to do with taxes (or even health care for that matter).  Okay ;D
For the majority of the Tea Party....it's not about race....it's about economics. Like I said before....a few knuckleheads show their stupidity and the liberals paint the entire group as racists. Hell there are racists on this board but that doesn't mean the entire board is racist. GO VIKINGS!!!

Highland, I won't try to dispute your claim. However, you cannot say with certainty that it's ONLY a minority of the group. Unless you know them personally, you don't know how many have racist motives. But the thing is, it only takes a handful to work the rest of group into frenzy and have major influence on the rest of the group who may have started with noble intentions. Just look at how the Tea Party action inside congress. Why did GOP representative just shout out at Dem representative who was speaking. Were those his true feelings or was he just caught-up in the moment with the teabaggers.  :shrug:
Let's put it this way.....I know quite a few people who I would consider members of the Tea Party. I've had lots of discussions with them and I've never heard the slightest hint racial hatred. It's all about how this legislation will impact them financially. The bottom line with them is.......there never has been a government program that costs what the projections say it will. Taking $ 500 billion out of medicare.....how is that going to impact seniors? It's a shell game and any intelligent person can see that. I've asked questions about how do you bring 30 million new people into a program with no new doctors? What is the impact? Who is paying for them? This is not a well thought out piece of legislation. To save face the Dems had to pass something and it's going to cost them at the ballot box. GO VIKINGS!!!

Highland, do you mind if I ask if those people you "consider" tea party members are white? And clarify what you mean by "consider". Are they active tea party members or not? Nobody really knows about the ones that stay home. Our opinions are formed based on the ones we see at the protests.

Now, with various items you listed, which ones take teabaggers to that level of outrage where they feel it necessary to inject racial slurs and carry demeaning signs. I understand people concern about self but as Americans is that what everything boils down to. We don't care about helping people - just give me mine. I saw one tea party sign which read "Don't steal from Medicare to pay for socialized medicine". Priceless.

Now as far as the shell game on the cost/savings, you do know DEM and GOP have agreed to abide by CBO scoring as independent. The CBO scored this HCR bill and said it would generate savings to the deficit. Conversely, during the Bush years, he ignored CBO scores which indicated in big increases in deficits.

Put yourself in teabagger shoes, which should you be more outraged about?

1) president who starts with big surplus and implements program that CBO say will increase deficit and did turn it into a big deficit;

2) or president that starts with big deficit and implements program that CBO says will reduce that deficit and future deficit status unknown at this point.
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: oldsport on March 23, 2010, 04:17:36 PM
Highlander,

When you get chance, could you reflect on our conversation awhile back about tea party, and tell me again how you think it's not about race.

And please explain, how spitting, shouting racial slurs and displaying violent poster themes have anything to do with taxes (or even health care for that matter).  Okay ;D
For the majority of the Tea Party....it's not about race....it's about economics. Like I said before....a few knuckleheads show their stupidity and the liberals paint the entire group as racists. Hell there are racists on this board but that doesn't mean the entire board is racist. GO VIKINGS!!!

Highland, I won't try to dispute your claim. However, you cannot say with certainty that it's ONLY a minority of the group. Unless you know them personally, you don't know how many have racist motives. But the thing is, it only takes a handful to work the rest of group into frenzy and have major influence on the rest of the group who may have started with noble intentions. Just look at how the Tea Party action inside congress. Why did GOP representative just shout out at Dem representative who was speaking. Were those his true feelings or was he just caught-up in the moment with the teabaggers.  :shrug:
Let's put it this way.....I know quite a few people who I would consider members of the Tea Party. I've had lots of discussions with them and I've never heard the slightest hint racial hatred. It's all about how this legislation will impact them financially. The bottom line with them is.......there never has been a government program that costs what the projections say it will. Taking $ 500 billion out of medicare.....how is that going to impact seniors? It's a shell game and any intelligent person can see that. I've asked questions about how do you bring 30 million new people into a program with no new doctors? What is the impact? Who is paying for them? This is not a well thought out piece of legislation. To save face the Dems had to pass something and it's going to cost them at the ballot box. GO VIKINGS!!!

Highland, do you mind if I ask if those people you "consider" tea party members are white? And clarify what you mean by "consider". Are they active tea party members or not? Nobody really knows about the ones that stay home. Our opinions are formed based on the ones we see at the protests.

Now, with various items you listed, which ones take teabaggers to that level of outrage where they feel it necessary to inject racial slurs and carry demeaning signs. I understand people concern about self but as Americans is that what everything boils down to. We don't care about helping people - just give me mine. I saw one tea party sign which read "Don't steal from Medicare to pay for socialized medicine". Priceless.

Now as far as the shell game on the cost/savings, you do know DEM and GOP have agreed to abide by CBO scoring as independent. The CBO scored this HCR bill and said it would generate savings to the deficit. Conversely, during the Bush years, he ignored CBO scores which indicated in big increases in deficits.

Put yourself in teabagger shoes, which should you be more outraged about?

1) president who starts with big surplus and implements program that CBO say will increase deficit and did turn it into a big deficit;

2) or president that starts with big deficit and implements program that CBO says will reduce that deficit and future deficit status unknown at this point.


There are not more Blacks involved in the Tea PArty Movement because our folks ignorance is so pervasive it's pathetic. You jokers are a prime example of what I am talking about.
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Bison66 on March 23, 2010, 05:23:21 PM
If there's a photo example of "pervasive ignorance" in the encyclopedia, it is of Olds..t.

 O0
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Bison66 on March 23, 2010, 05:30:12 PM
Quote from Oldsport:
Quote
Robert Byrd and the Demo-craps supporrted all the above.

That is so weak and so predictably myopic.

Byrd:  Guilty, altho he has confessed and asked forgiveness.

Other Democrats:  true also up until MANY, IF NOT MOST of those who supported all of that racist crap became Dixie-crats because they didn't like the Dem's support of Civil Rights Laws, Voting Rights laws, etc.  Then many of them, like Strom Thurman, became Repubs, where they were welcomed warmly and even courted thru the Repubs Southern Strategy.

 O0
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Bison66 on March 23, 2010, 09:32:27 PM
highlander?

Comments on racism....

 O0
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Meciber 202 on March 23, 2010, 09:56:15 PM
I too was curious as to how they would rationalize this so I just went to foxnews to find out what our onnidan repubs would be posting later.

It looks like they have two options so far. The first being the incidents never happened. They say there's no video evidence. (Then explain why did the Tea Party leader issue apology statement?) So that brought them to the second option being the democrats put a "plant" inside the demonstration just to make them look bad.  ::)

It wouldn't be farfetched. The sleeze balls in move.org and ACORN are known to this type BS.

oldsport, you got to admit I hit this one straight out the park - two swing and two homers. The bold red highlight above is my proof of what I predicted and below what you said.

If it DID happen......that's really a shame. The reason......it gives you liberals a chance to paint everyone with the same brush. That would be like me painting all the liberals on this board with the same brush because of the statements that Cholly makes. GO VIKINGS!!!

I doubt it occurred. If it did happen don't you think there would be a video of it. People haul instant videos whenever and wherever they are.

If anyone did it, it was move.org or ACORN people sent to set this BS up.


PRICELESS !!!



Quote
There are not more Blacks involved in the Tea PArty Movement because our folks ignorance is so pervasive it's pathetic. You jokers are a prime example of what I am talking about.


OS, Based on your quote above, you must have access to insider information. So I would presume that you are involved in the Tea Party Movement - leading by example.

And if true, I think the real reason "not more Blacks are involved" has to do with YOU, your recruitment methods, and your communications skills (lack thereof). I don't  think they know you cannot string more than one sentence together in coherent manner. So as 'the" recruiter for Blacks to the Tea Party Movement, you have failed. Here's some free advice. You might have had better success if you were better able to answer our simple questions/concerns with accurate answers and supporting data. You should also eliminate those quick but vague generalizations disguised as "facts".


Quote
That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence - Christopher Hitchens

Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Wildman78 on March 23, 2010, 10:15:33 PM
That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence - Christopher Hitchens

I like that. I will use it in the future.
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Meciber 202 on March 23, 2010, 10:22:41 PM
^^^ Yep, use it till your heart's content. it's very effective. And feel free to pass it on.
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: uchighlander on March 24, 2010, 10:10:23 AM
highlander?

Comments on racism....

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There are extremists in every group.....you know that and I know that. The Tea Party isn't the Klan just like the majority of liberals aren't the SDS or Weatherman. Of course there are racists in the Tea Party. As I said before....there are racists on this board. You and I aren't going to change that however we cam continue to discuss things in a civil manner.....even though we disagree......on occassion ;D GO VIKINGS!!!
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Meciber 202 on March 24, 2010, 11:01:26 AM
highlander?

Comments on racism....

 O0
There are extremists in every group.....you know that and I know that. The Tea Party isn't the Klan just like the majority of liberals aren't the SDS or Weatherman. Of course there are racists in the Tea Party. As I said before....there are racists on this board. You and I aren't going to change that however we cam continue to discuss things in a civil manner.....even though we disagree......on occassion ;D GO VIKINGS!!!

Highland, there is a difference in the terms "racist" and "extremist".

An extremist group can be far-left, as well as far-right. KKK would be considered extremist/racist because they are primarily anti-black and use of violence. While (IMO) SDS and Weatherman were primarily against government. While you may say SDS/Weatherman were extremist group (use of violence) but you have no basis to say they were racist.  If so, direct me to your reference/source.

The comments against the Tea Party demonstrations are generally due to its violence and anti-black/anti-gay messages.
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Meciber 202 on March 24, 2010, 11:29:02 AM
Highland,

I too would like to have civil discussion on this and any topic in the forum. If you agree, count me in. We can negotiate the ground rules for discussion. Just tell me when you ready.

Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: uchighlander on March 24, 2010, 03:53:58 PM
Highland,

I too would like to have civil discussion on this and any topic in the forum. If you agree, count me in. We can negotiate the ground rules for discussion. Just tell me when you ready.


Only Cholly needs ground rules for a civil discussion.  :lmao: GO VIKINGS!!!
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Meciber 202 on March 24, 2010, 04:15:29 PM
I'm talking just me and you. You post responses to me and I'll post my responses to you. We'll keep it all civil.   :nod:

Maybe we all learn something.  :clap:  What say ye?
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Bison66 on March 24, 2010, 04:17:34 PM
highlander?

Comments on racism....

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There are extremists in every group.....you know that and I know that. The Tea Party isn't the Klan just like the majority of liberals aren't the SDS or Weatherman. Of course there are racists in the Tea Party. As I said before....there are racists on this board. You and I aren't going to change that however we cam continue to discuss things in a civil manner.....even though we disagree......on occassion ;D GO VIKINGS!!!

highlander, I was actually asking if you had a response to what I posted IN DIRECT RESPONSE TO YOU:

You said:
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For the majority of the Tea Party....it's not about race....it's about economics. .......

My response was:
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That's a valid opinion, highlander, altho you offer no evidence. 

I have a different opinion and until the Tea Party itself expels those folks - LIKE OBAMA HAD TO REJECT, RENOUNCE, CONDEMN, etc Rev. Wright - I'll stick with mine.

As I have said before, white Conservatives and some Black ones seem to find it convenient to admit that racism exists IN GENERAL.  HOWEVER, when it comes to discussing ANYthing in particular, it is never racism.  There is always another rationale to explain behavior or tactics that, IMO, have in common the pursuit of ends which are harmful to Black folks and which maintain white advantage or group benefit. 

So.........
It wasn't racism that buttressed and justified slavery; it was economic interests.

It wasn't racism that had Repubs betray Reconstruction and Dems to destroy it; it was political expediency.

It wasn't racism that reduced many Blacks in the south to near-servitude via share-cropping and limited educational opportunities, municipal services, etc; it was economics.

It wasn't racism to oppose the integration of schools; it was resistance to interference in local affairs by the Supreme Court led by that Communist Earl Warren.

It wasn't racism that kept Blacks out of unions in NYC; it was preferences to relatives of existing members.

It wasn't racism behind opposition to Civil Rights; it was resistance to "outside agitators" and the importance of States' Rights.

It wasn't racism to oppose school busing (despite in some cases, previous busing past closer segregated schools); it was the need for neighborhood schools.

It wasn't racism to oppose "open housing" and the invalidation of discriminatory "covenants"; it was the sanctity of contracts.

It wasn't racism that Dems rejected the freely elected Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party delegates and instead seated the delegates from the whites-only election; it was political expediency.

It isn't racism (despite centuries of preferential treatment for whites as a group) to oppose Affirmative Action; it is fairness based on individuals, not groups.

It isn't racism (despite study after study showing discrimination in test cases) when Black folks complain about job and promotion discrimination; it is an isolated case, if an audio tape surfaces, and, if no tape, a figment of Blacks' imagination.

It isn't racism when white flight from neighborhoods occurs; it is concern about property values.

It isn't racism when white flight from public schools occurs; it is concern about educational quality.

It wasn't racism when white parents in Arizona(?) fought against naming the brand new high school after Dr. King; it was their concern that other racists would discriminate against their kids for college admission thinking it was an inner-city (code for Black) school.  Of course, we would never be able to identify THAT racism in admissions decisions in any specific location.

It isn't racism when cops stop Blacks driving at a much higher rate than whites; it is a coincidence.

It wasn't racism when Black MALE students in dental school with my daughter were given lower grades for superior work (even finally acknowledged by their fellow white students after they first dismissed the claim by Blacks); it was unexplainable.

It wasn't racism when cops fired dozens of times at INNOCENT Black men sitting in a van or at one reaching for his ID or at a group leaving a night club, OR police sodomized a Black suspect in the precinct bathroom, it was job-related stress or a misunderstanding.

It isn't racism that Blacks of equal income receive less aggressive medical care and die at a higher rate;  it is puzzling.

It wasn't racism that had Reagan open his re-election campaign in Philadelphia, Miss; it was the Southern Strategy.

It wasn't racism that fewer than 30% of southern whites voted for Obama; it was....OK, you got me there!


So, it is logical that it is not racism when, ALL OF A SUDDEN, after decades of deficit spending and exploding national debt and the passage of legislation without paying for benefits under white Presidents of either/both parties, folks come out of the woodwork to oppose the current President on economic grounds. 

It is PURE COINCIDENCE, therefore that the President is Black and that anti-govt demonstrations are so emotional and fervent and are peppered with racist signs and behavior AND that hardly any Black folks are there. 

I'll stick with my opinion.  Talk about "knowing racism when I see it."

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Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: oldsport on March 24, 2010, 04:19:45 PM
Highland,

I too would like to have civil discussion on this and any topic in the forum. If you agree, count me in. We can negotiate the ground rules for discussion. Just tell me when you ready.



To coin you felonious/impeached judge and now congressman.. This is how liberal/socialist/communist play. So, you'll need to stay in keeping with your brothers and sister comrades.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbHTJSu_2Lk
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Meciber 202 on March 24, 2010, 04:32:51 PM
I too was curious as to how they would rationalize this so I just went to foxnews to find out what our onnidan repubs would be posting later.

It looks like they have two options so far. The first being the incidents never happened. They say there's no video evidence. (Then explain why did the Tea Party leader issue apology statement?) So that brought them to the second option being the democrats put a "plant" inside the demonstration just to make them look bad.  ::)

It wouldn't be farfetched. The sleeze balls in move.org and ACORN are known to this type BS.

oldsport, you got to admit I hit this one straight out the park - two swing and two homers. The bold red highlight above is my proof of what I predicted and below what you said.

If it DID happen......that's really a shame. The reason......it gives you liberals a chance to paint everyone with the same brush. That would be like me painting all the liberals on this board with the same brush because of the statements that Cholly makes. GO VIKINGS!!!

I doubt it occurred. If it did happen don't you think there would be a video of it. People haul instant videos whenever and wherever they are.

If anyone did it, it was move.org or ACORN people sent to set this BS up.


PRICELESS !!!



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There are not more Blacks involved in the Tea PArty Movement because our folks ignorance is so pervasive it's pathetic. You jokers are a prime example of what I am talking about.


OS, Based on your quote above, you must have access to insider information. So I would presume that you are involved in the Tea Party Movement - leading by example.

And if true, I think the real reason "not more Blacks are involved" has to do with YOU, your recruitment methods, and your communications skills (lack thereof). I don't  think they know you cannot string more than one sentence together in coherent manner. So as 'the" recruiter for Blacks to the Tea Party Movement, you have failed. Here's some free advice. You might have had better success if you were better able to answer our simple questions/concerns with accurate answers and supporting data. You should also eliminate those quick but vague generalizations disguised as "facts".


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That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence - Christopher Hitchens



... UNTIL YOU DO RIGHT BY ME ................................  :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: oldsport on March 24, 2010, 04:52:57 PM
March 24, 2010
Anatomy of a Racial Smear
By Jack Cashill

For the last year, the media have been desperately trying to hang the "racist" tag around the Tea Party movement as a way to discredit it. This past weekend, they would seem to have finally succeeded.


The McClatchy newspaper chain, whose slogan is "truth to power," launched an opening salvo on Saturday, March 20 with the inflammatory headline -- its exact words -- "Tea party protesters scream 'n----r' at black congressman." That is "protesters" in the plural who "scream" a racial epithet, "n----r," at a particular "congressman."


This one headline contains one perilously uncorroborated accusation and three conscious fabrications, beginning with the identity of the "congressman" in question. So much for "truth to power."


To give the story poignancy, reporter William Douglas makes iconic civil rights veteran John Lewis the subject of the abuse. He is the "congressman" alluded to in the headline. The only problem is that Lewis never heard anything. This is the first of the fabrications.


According to the article, Lewis was walking from the Cannon Office Building to the Capitol when protesters started shouting. According to Lewis, however, what they shouted was not a racial slur, but "Kill the bill, kill the bill." If he heard anything more derogatory, he does not seem to have told Douglas about it.


Lewis, it should be noted, is no slouch when it comes to race-baiting. During the 2008 campaign, he compared the McCain-Palin campaign to that of "presidential candidate George Wallace," whose comparable "atmosphere of hate" led to the fatal church bombing in Birmingham. So egregious were Lewis's comments that McCain called on Obama to "condemn" them.


As Douglas reports, it was Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-MO), a Lewis colleague walking a few steps behind him, who actually claimed to have heard the slur. Note the way that Douglas runs these sentences together.


Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, D-Mo., said he was a few yards behind Lewis and distinctly heard "n----r."


"It was a chorus," Cleaver said. "In a way, I feel sorry for those people who are doing this nasty stuff -- they're being whipped up. I decided I wouldn't be angry with any of them."


Douglas deliberately leaves the impression that Cleaver heard a "chorus" of people shouting racial slurs.  The use of the plural in the headline is the second of the fabrications. The chorus was, in fact, shouting, "Kill the Bill."


It is unlikely that Cleaver misled Douglas. In the era of the ubiquitous camera, he would have known that such an accusation could be immediately refuted, as it certainly has been. The ample videotape evidence shows that there was no such chorus.


Cleaver does turn briefly to face the camera in one video, but regardless of what he might have heard or thought he heard, no one on the video is heard to "scream" anything racial. This is the third fabrication. 


What is uncorroborated is whether Cleaver even heard a single person utter the slur in question. William Owens, a black Tea Party activist from Nevada who had joined in the protests, confirmed to FOXNews.com, "Never did I hear any type of racial slur."


House majority whip James CIyburn, who walked with the contingent from the Black Caucus, heard no racist remarks either. "I experienced some of [the anger]," Clyburn told Keith Olbermann on March 22. "I didn`t hear the slurs." Still, this was more than enough for the factually indifferent Olbermann to conclude, "If racism is not the whole of the Tea Party, it is in its heart."


Cleaver also claimed that the police arrested one of the Tea Party crowd for spitting on him, but he chose not to press charges. U.S. Capitol Police, however, said that no protester was arrested. One was, however, detained and quickly released.


"There were no elements of a crime, and the individual wasn't able to be positively identified," a spokeswoman for the Capitol Police told FoxNews.com. "[Cleaver] was unable to positively identify."


Despite the slightness of the evidence, the seemingly omniscient Yael T. Abouhalkah, the Editorial Page columnist in Cleaver's hometown Kansas City Star, a McClatchy paper, was able to conclude that "some Tea Party supporter spat on Cleaver Saturday on Capitol Hill because the U.S. congressman is black." 


If there were a spitting incident, it is clear that the spitter had to be someone other than the shouter of racial slurs. That Abouhalkah can impute racism to someone he does not know, not even by name, who may or may not have spit, is testament to the shabby, subversive state of contemporary journalism.


When the message moves out into the leftist blogosphere, the message gets progressively more unhinged. One fairly typical YouTube site I visited hoping to see evidence of the spitting, as implied in the video's listing, instead reviled the "teabaggers" as "homophobe, racists, bigots." There was no video verification of any of the charges.


For the last half-century, the Democrats have been able to count on the allegiance of black America to their program. They and their media allies know that the party -- in both senses -- ends when African Americans catch on to the ruin which that program has rained upon black America: unprecedented rates of homicide, homelessness, social disease, abortion, drug addiction, unemployment, poverty, and imprisonment. 


With so many promises broken, all that Democrats have left to peddle are an elusive hope and a manufactured fear. Pretty soon, it will be just the fear. Expect more of this.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SCs6pSE8_I&feature=player_embedded

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/03/anatomy_of_a_racial_smear_1.html
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Bison66 on March 24, 2010, 05:47:25 PM
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U.S. Capitol Police, however, said that no protester was arrested. One was, however, detained and quickly released.

We're really splitting hairs here.  Cleavers staff saw the person "in custody" and drew the conclusion the person was arrested.  But accurate is accurate.

As to beliefs about what happened, I expect that Olds..t will be telling us ANY MINUTE how those pinko commies were the ones who threw bricks through the windows of Dems' offices and left threatening voice mails for those who voted for HC reform.

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Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Professor on March 24, 2010, 05:56:32 PM
I thought it didn't happen  :shrug:
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Bison66 on March 24, 2010, 05:57:35 PM
Highlander,

When you get chance, could you reflect on our conversation awhile back about tea party, and tell me again how you think it's not about race.

And please explain, how spitting, shouting racial slurs and displaying violent poster themes have anything to do with taxes (or even health care for that matter).  Okay ;D

Where was your outrage during the Bush Administration when leftwing/liberals/socialists/communists nutjobs took to the streets of D.C. and other cities on rampages of destruction of public property, disrupting soldiers' funerals, hurling insults at the POTUS, using all forms of profanity?...How about it hypocrite?

You have no evidence that any of the BS that was the subject of this thread actually happened. If it did, it was an anomaly compared to the rule for leftwing/liebrals/socialists/communists nutjob profane and destructive conduct of demonstrations.

Please provide a couple of examples of something similar at a radical/communist/left wing demonstration to an ELECTED REPUBLICAN MEMBER OF CONGRESS at the window or balcony during a demonstration holding a sign saying "KILL."

Only resort to name-calling, please, if you have no facts to support your argument.
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P.S.  Where was YOUR outrage when fundamentalist Christian kooks were disrupting soldiers funerals chanting, "GOD HATES FAGS!!"?
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Bison66 on January 22, 2011, 12:08:51 AM
**crickets**
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Professor on January 23, 2011, 02:25:36 AM
interesting
Title: Re: Health Care Protesters Hurl Verbal Epithets at Black Lawmakers
Post by: Bison66 on January 23, 2011, 09:53:46 AM
Yes, Prof, living out in the country now, I find the sound of crickets VERY interesting.

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