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Title: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: oldsport on June 16, 2009, 10:53:09 AM
I have come to a conclusion as to what is the main problem with most K----s here. It's also the problem with most K----s in general. This is the result of them falling for the liberal lie.

Most of you K----s do not know what made this country great. Two concepts and ideas made this country great and produced all of what you see. Those concepts and ideas are freedom and liberty. However, most of you K----s believe it's government. I think this is the same thing that Barry believes. I can understand how you came to this flawed mind set.
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: y04185 on June 16, 2009, 11:06:55 AM
i concur.
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: oldsport on June 16, 2009, 11:24:30 AM
i concur.

y, I understand these folk more then they know. See our educational system pumps them (espeically K----s and HBCU's eat the social welfare state up) with the government, government and government so much they fail to grasp what really makes this country great. Yet, immigrants come here and have not been propagandized with this the government is the solution BS. The take full advantage of the two concepts of freedom and liberty and achieve they're dreams.
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: Bison 4 Life on June 16, 2009, 11:33:07 AM
Please educate us in the error in our liberal ways  Mr. Tom?
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: Professor on June 16, 2009, 11:41:15 AM


Most of you K----s do not know what made this country great. Two concepts and ideas made this country great and produced all of what you see. Those concepts and ideas are freedom and liberty.

Negative, those two concepts were and still are, Free Labor and Theft
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: oldsport on June 16, 2009, 11:47:04 AM


Most of you K----s do not know what made this country great. Two concepts and ideas made this country great and produced all of what you see. Those concepts and ideas are freedom and liberty.

Negative, those two concepts were and still are, Free Labor and Theft

You are truly sad. Why don't just pack up and get the F out of this country since you have such a negative view of its great concepts and ideals?
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: Brother Tony on June 16, 2009, 11:47:52 AM
FUNNY!
I THOUGHT THE AMERICAN/REPUBLICAN/DEMOCRAT CONCEPT WAS:
"THOU SHALT NOT GET CAUGHT"
 :tiptoe:
 :shrug:
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: Bison 4 Life on June 16, 2009, 12:06:59 PM


Most of you K----s do not know what made this country great. Two concepts and ideas made this country great and produced all of what you see. Those concepts and ideas are freedom and liberty.

Negative, those two concepts were and still are, Free Labor and Theft

You are truly sad. Why don't just pack up and get the F out of this country since you have such a negative view of its great concepts and ideals?

the rants of a bucking dancing lawn jockey coon.
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: y04185 on June 16, 2009, 12:08:08 PM
as usual you people resort to name calling.
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: CIAA-FAN on June 16, 2009, 12:15:00 PM
I DO NOT BELIEVE THE RANTINGS OF A SELF-PROCLAIMED "A--HOLE" CARRY ANY WEIGHT IN THE EVALUATION OF OTHERS.  HE WOULD BE BETTER SERVED IN STARTING TO EVALUATE HIMSELF FIRST. 
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: Bison 4 Life on June 16, 2009, 12:20:43 PM
as usual you people resort to name calling.

Said while ignoring title of thread. :shrug:
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: Strike79 on June 16, 2009, 12:33:16 PM
I have come to a conclusion as to what is the main problem with most K----s here. It's also the problem with most K----s in general. This is the result of them falling for the liberal lie.

Most of you K----s do not know what made this country great. Two concepts and ideas made this country great and produced all of what you see. Those concepts and ideas are freedom and liberty. However, most of you K----s believe it's government. I think this is the same thing that Barry believes. I can understand how you came to this flawed mind set.
Interesting post.............you attribute this country's greatness to its concept of "freedom and liberty".

Query: What contribution, if any, was made by the enslaved African who was had neither freedom nor liberty, but whose FREE labor, at the most HORRIFIC deprivations, provided the ground work for this country's riches?

In your "unique" view of the world, is the enslaved African due ANY honor? :(
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: y04185 on June 16, 2009, 12:54:03 PM
as usual you people resort to name calling.

Said while ignoring title of thread. :shrug:

it is funny you condone the term when ama uses it.
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: Bison66 on June 16, 2009, 01:21:46 PM
I have come to a conclusion as to what is the main problem with most K----s here. It's also the problem with most K----s in general. This is the result of them falling for the liberal lie.

Most of you K----s do not know what made this country great. Two concepts and ideas made this country great and produced all of what you see. Those concepts and ideas are freedom and liberty. However, most of you K----s believe it's government. I think this is the same thing that Barry believes. I can understand how you came to this flawed mind set.
Interesting post.............you attribute this country's greatness to its concept of "freedom and liberty".

Query: What contribution, if any, was made by the enslaved African who was had neither freedom nor liberty, but whose FREE labor, at the most HORRIFIC deprivations, provided the ground work for this country's riches?

In your "unique" view of the world, is the enslaved African due ANY honor? :(

Strike, B4L, Professor and others:

Strong Points!

And we can add to FREE LABOR and TERRORIZATION of enslaved Africans:


Surely this is the recipe for the "success" of Europeans in the Americas.

Beyond that, what is most interesting is that this person,

- who has completely swallowed the US govt's line, without exception, about the US's history as taught in the public schools and elsewhere and
- who spent a career in an institution (the military, where dissent can be considered insubordination), which must act unquestionally upon the orders of that same govt,

points his finger at others claiming that they are the ones brainwashed.

 O0

Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: oldsport on June 16, 2009, 01:26:47 PM
I have come to a conclusion as to what is the main problem with most K----s here. It's also the problem with most K----s in general. This is the result of them falling for the liberal lie.

Most of you K----s do not know what made this country great. Two concepts and ideas made this country great and produced all of what you see. Those concepts and ideas are freedom and liberty. However, most of you K----s believe it's government. I think this is the same thing that Barry believes. I can understand how you came to this flawed mind set.
Interesting post.............you attribute this country's greatness to its concept of "freedom and liberty".

Query: What contribution, if any, was made by the enslaved African who was had neither freedom nor liberty, but whose FREE labor, at the most HORRIFIC deprivations, provided the ground work for this country's riches?

In your "unique" view of the world, is the enslaved African due ANY honor? :(

Strike, B4L, Professor and others:

Strong Points!

And we can add to FREE LABOR and TERRORIZATION of enslaved Africans:

  • the invasion of foreign lands and the GENOCIDE of indegenous peoples throughout the Americas.

Surely this is the recipe for the "success" of Europeans in the Americas.

Beyond that, what is most interesting is that this person,

- who has completely swallowed the US govt's line, without exception, about the US's history as taught in the public schools and elsewhere and
- who spent a career in an institution (the military, where dissent can be considered insubordination), which must act unquestionally upon the orders of that same govt,

points his finger at others claiming that they are the ones brainwashed.

 O0



I would not have expected you to say that America greatest nation in recorded history.
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: Ken on June 16, 2009, 01:27:46 PM
The only thing the Europeans brought to this country that was  not here before their arrival was veneral disease.  The Indians had there own form of government, in some tribes women had the right to vote and unlike europeans they were a lot healthier because they bathe every day.
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: Bison66 on June 16, 2009, 01:32:26 PM
Oldsport,

And I would not expect you to know what the L you are talking about.

I note that your non sequitor does not address the points I or anyone else made. 
?What happened, you haven't found a cut and paste yet?

 O0
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: oldsport on June 16, 2009, 01:35:21 PM
The only thing the Europeans brought to this country that was  not here before their arrival was veneral disease.  The Indians had there own form of government, in some tribes women had the right to vote and unlike europeans they were a lot healthier because they bathe every day.


The Europeans brought greatness to this land and formed the country known as the United States of America. You better thank God for the United States of America. Your a-- may have grown up in some jungle or some squalid place on the outskirts of Lagos eating worms and maggots.
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: Valley Girl on June 16, 2009, 01:36:41 PM

That is some of the most inane, idiotic, condescending bullsh@t I have ever heard in my life :no:
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: oldsport on June 16, 2009, 01:43:03 PM

That is some of the most inane, idiotic, condescending bullsh@t I have ever heard in my life :no:

Of course what I said appears inane, idiotic and condescending to you. However, prove me wrong with respect to the Europeans settlement, ambition and adventureousness in forming this nation. GET REAL!. You may not like it but it is what it is. You K----s wishing it wasn't so or swallowing the myth that others have pumped in your dead a-- skulls won't change it.
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: Bison66 on June 16, 2009, 01:43:48 PM
VG,
And typical!!

M&G,
Do you begin to get a sense of what I was describing to you as the reason for my responses to OS?

 O0

Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: Ken on June 16, 2009, 02:03:56 PM
Is America still the Greatest Nation on Earth?

http://hubpages.com/hub/americagreatest-2
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: Brother Tony on June 16, 2009, 02:19:45 PM
SHOULD I  :lol: OR  :'( AT OLE SPORTY!  :(
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: Bison 4 Life on June 16, 2009, 02:33:46 PM
I called Morgan State oldsport and they want their GED back.
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: Bison66 on June 16, 2009, 02:53:34 PM
Oldsport says:
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the Europeans settlement, ambition and adventureousness in forming this nation.

This is said from the Europeans' perspective (Eurocentric).

From another perspective:
settlement = invasion
ambition = expansionism, genocide, greed, covetousness
"adventureousness" (sic) =  aggression, desperation (terrible conditions in Europe driving people to leave)
forming this nation = destroying indigenous people, their settlements, culture, and kidnapping their children and importing slave labor to do the work that they could not or would not do and enriching themselves on the misery, exploitation and genocide of non-European people.

The latter point contains FACTS that cannot be controverted.

How they are viewed is another matter. 
If a person is of the "Massa, we sick?" mentality, they will be viewed in the way that Oldsport views it.

Sad, but true.
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Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: Valley Girl on June 16, 2009, 03:22:56 PM

That is some of the most inane, idiotic, condescending bullsh@t I have ever heard in my life :no:

Of course what I said appears inane, idiotic and condescending to you. However, prove me wrong with respect to the Europeans settlement, ambition and adventureousness in forming this nation. GET REAL!. You may not like it but it is what it is. You K----s wishing it wasn't so or swallowing the myth that others have pumped in your dead a-- skulls won't change it.

If you don't see it I certainly can't tell you.....I made myself a promise that I would not go down in the gutter with you and I won't.


My Daddy told me there are two things you do not argue with....a sign and a fool, b/c neither one of them are going to change.......

If I argue with a fool and I know he or she is a fool then what does that make me? :shrug:

I'm not going there with you, and it is my intention never to go there with you ever again.....

Believe what you want, and forgive me in advance if I EVER respond to your foolishness again.
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: Bison66 on June 16, 2009, 03:39:33 PM
Well said, Valley Girl!

I usually respond ABOUT OS, not TO OS for the very same reasons that you mention.

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Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: Brother Tony on June 16, 2009, 03:43:14 PM
 :lmao:
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: uchighlander on June 16, 2009, 03:51:54 PM
Freedom was granted over 150 years ago and still many on this board  are still living and talking like it was the 1860's.... why is that? GO VIKINGS!!!
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: Valley Girl on June 16, 2009, 03:55:01 PM
Freedom was granted over 150 years ago and still many on this board  are still living and talking like it was the 1860's.... why is that? GO VIKINGS!!!

Now exactly what are YOU talking about?
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: Bison66 on June 16, 2009, 03:56:42 PM
Highlander,

Aside from discussions of history (in this thread MORE than 150 years ago), what ARE you talking about?

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Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: Ken on June 16, 2009, 03:57:22 PM
Freedom was really granted in the 1960's with the Civil rights bill.  The emancipation proclamation only freed slaves in the south, not ALL slaves in America.  As a matter of fact, the emancipation proclamation stated that in all of the southern states OCCUPIED by Union troops, the slave was still a slave.  So it was more of a way to end the war with the south than to free the slaves. Lincoln really wanted to send all slaves back to Liberia.
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: y04185 on June 16, 2009, 04:01:42 PM
ken, the 13th amendment freed all slaves. 
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: uchighlander on June 16, 2009, 04:05:49 PM
Freedom was granted over 150 years ago and still many on this board  are still living and talking like it was the 1860's.... why is that? GO VIKINGS!!!

Now exactly what are YOU talking about?
[/quote Many on this board seem to have a chip on their shoulders for things that happened 100's of years ago. Bitching about it now ain't going to change a thing..... it just makes you out to be a bitter person. Living your whole life to get even.....well that's just plain stupid but that  seems to be the goal of some people on this board. What a waste of time and energy. GO VIKINGS!!!
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: Ken on June 16, 2009, 04:09:43 PM
Y obviously according to this article the 13 th amendment do not help us much.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/13th+Amendment

This is why the civil right act of the 60's were so important.
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: Valley Girl on June 16, 2009, 04:17:53 PM
You really think people live their lives just to get even with white people?

Wow......
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: oldsport on June 16, 2009, 04:41:57 PM
Freedom was granted over 150 years ago and still many on this board  are still living and talking like it was the 1860's.... why is that? GO VIKINGS!!!

Although all of these folk have not experienced one incident of institutional racism, they have been issued permanent victim cards by the government. They like playing victims.

Remember, in the Tennessee Williams play "A Street Car Name Desire",  Blanche Dubois famous line was, "I always depended on the kindness of strangers". These K----s line should be " they always depended on the kindness of white liberals for everything"
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: y04185 on June 16, 2009, 04:43:24 PM
Y obviously according to this article the 13 th amendment do not help us much.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/13th+Amendment

This is why the civil right act of the 60's were so important.

the civil rights act was important because blacks in the 1800s did not fight for their rights.
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: Golden Kitten on June 16, 2009, 04:45:38 PM
Y obviously according to this article the 13 th amendment do not help us much.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/13th+Amendment

This is why the civil right act of the 60's were so important.

the civil rights act was important because blacks in the 1800s did not fight for their rights.

Pardon?  :o

How absurd... :no:  ::)
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: y04185 on June 16, 2009, 04:46:50 PM
how so gk.
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: oldsport on June 16, 2009, 04:46:56 PM
Y obviously according to this article the 13 th amendment do not help us much.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/13th+Amendment

This is why the civil right act of the 60's were so important.

the civil rights act was important because blacks in the 1800s did not fight for their rights.

Pardon?  :o

How absurd... :no:  ::)

y, you are correct. I don't know what the L Miss Permanent Victim is shocked by.
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: Bison 4 Life on June 16, 2009, 04:48:53 PM
how so gk.


I guess Nat Turner and Denmark Vessey are unknown bit players in your universe.


Now I heard it all.Black in the 1800's didn't fight. ::)
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: y04185 on June 16, 2009, 04:51:05 PM
b4l, from 1866-1902 what fighting did blacks do?  white people burned, raped, and pillaged blacks.  blacks did not fight back.
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: oldsport on June 16, 2009, 04:51:45 PM
how so gk.


I guess Nat Turner and Denmark Vessey are unknown bit players in your universe.


Now I heard it all.Black in the 1800's didn't fight. ::)

You know dyam well what y meant.
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: Bison 4 Life on June 16, 2009, 04:52:05 PM
b4l, from 1866-1902 what fighting did blacks do?  white people burned, raped, and pillaged blacks.  blacks did not fight back.

Guess your HBCU didn't teach Black history.
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: y04185 on June 16, 2009, 04:57:00 PM
b4l, when did blacks fight.  they did nothing.

i remember when i was a child listening to elderly blacks talk about how their parents, former slaves, were scared to death of white people.  they talked about how they did nothing and now they have to fight for what little bit they have.
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: oldsport on June 16, 2009, 05:04:10 PM
b4l, from 1866-1902 what fighting did blacks do?  white people burned, raped, and pillaged blacks.  blacks did not fight back.

It's well documented. Tulsa, what was that town in Florida...I can name other towns, hundreds of lynchings...This is what eventually gave rise to the 1960's militants such as the Panthers and Black Muslims call for self-defense.

Oh there was a group that did kick a-- and fight. I think they were soldiers of the 24th Regiment stationed in Brownsville, Texas.
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: ‘87 Alum on June 16, 2009, 05:05:22 PM
b4l, when did blacks fight.  they did nothing.

i remember when i was a child listening to elderly blacks talk about how their parents, former slaves, were scared to death of white people.  they talked about how they did nothing and now they have to fight for what little bit they have.

Y -

Maybe that's your relatives and family friends.  I wouldn't say that's indicative and representable of everyone.  My family history is a bit different than what you spake of.
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: CIAA-FAN on June 16, 2009, 05:16:14 PM
The only thing the Europeans brought to this country that was  not here before their arrival was veneral disease.  The Indians had there own form of government, in some tribes women had the right to vote and unlike europeans they were a lot healthier because they bathe every day.


The Europeans brought greatness to this land and formed the country known as the United States of America. You better thank God for the United States of America. Your a-- may have grown up in some jungle or some squalid place on the outskirts of Lagos eating worms and maggots.

WHILE YOUR CONTEMPT FOR ALL THINGS OF AN AFRICAN ORIGIN (TO INCLUDE YOURSELF) ARE CLEARLY PALPABLE YOUR TOTAL AND COMPLETE LACK OF KNOWLEDGE OF THE CULTURAL ORIGINS OF MANKIND ARE AS SAD AS THEY ARE AMAZING.  YES, YOU ARE A COMPLETE "A--HOLE" THROUGH AND THROUGH.
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: Bison66 on June 16, 2009, 05:35:27 PM
b4l, from 1866-1902 what fighting did blacks do?  white people burned, raped, and pillaged blacks.  blacks did not fight back.

y04,

Truly, Sir, your ignorance is abundantly clear.  Try to learn some Black history somewhere, somehow so you won't continue to embarass yourself.

Quote
Despite the statutes, and at the suggestion of Reconstruction governors and other leaders, blacks often formed militias to resist white terrorism. For example, in June 1867 in Greensboro, Alabama, the police let the murderer of a black voting registrar escape; in response, a freedman who would later serve in the Alabama State Legislature urged his fellow freedmen to create a permanent militia. "Union League" militias were formed all over central Alabama.

The freedmen slipped from white control. One planter protested that his workers were "turbulent and disorderly," coming and going when they wished, as if they had a choice whether or not to work. The Union League, protested another ex-master, was advising freedmen "to ignore the Southern white man as much as possible...to set up for themselves."

The next spring, the Ku Klux Klan came to central Alabama. The Klansmen, unlike the freedmen, had horses, and thus the tactical advantages of mobility. In a few months, the Klan triumph was complete. One freedman recalled that the night riders, after reasserting white control, "took the weapons from might near all the colored people in the neighborhood."

The same dynamic existed throughout the South. Sometimes militias consisting of freedmen or Unionists were able to resist the Klan or other white forces. In places like the South Carolina back-country, where the blacks were a numerical majority, the black militias kept white terrorists at bay for long periods.

While many blacks participated in informal, local militias, most of the reconstruction governors set up official state militias that were racially integrated. Like many other facets of the reconstruction governments (and the racist governments which followed them), the integrated "black" state militias were corrupt. The state militias, which sought to protect the state governments and the election process, were frequently in conflict with informal white militias. Arms shipments from the federal government to arm the militias were often intercepted and seized by white militias.

Official or unofficial, the black militias were the primary target of the white racist resistance. "Pitchfork" Ben Tillman, the U.S. Senate advocate of racism for many decades, joined a "Sweetwater Sabre Club" whose members seized control of South Carolina's Edgefield Country from a black militia in 1874-75, and attacked a black militia at Hamburg, South Carolina in 1876.

In areas where the black militias lost and the Klan or other white groups took control, "almost universally the first thing done was to disarm the negroes and leave them defenseless," wrote Albion Tourgeé in his 1880 book The Invisible Empire. (An attorney and civil rights worker from the north, Tourgeé would later represent the civil rights plaintiff in Plessy v. Ferguson.)
http://www.reason.com/news/show/32884.html

I know the history of Whitesboro, NJ also, do you?

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Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: Golden Kitten on June 16, 2009, 05:48:12 PM
b4l, when did blacks fight.  they did nothing.

i remember when i was a child listening to elderly blacks talk about how their parents, former slaves, were scared to death of white people.  they talked about how they did nothing and now they have to fight for what little bit they have.

Y -

Maybe that's your relatives and family friends.  I wouldn't say that's indicative and representable of everyone.  My family history is a bit different than what you spake of.


Mine too... :nod:
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: y04185 on June 16, 2009, 06:05:27 PM
bison, i know the history of princeville, nc.  do you.  big deal.

blacks let whites run over them in the late 1800s.  even though all but one of my great grand fathers owned land (he owned a business and paid for family members to go to college.  he refused to own a home.  :brickwall:) most blacks did not.  most blacks in the south were sharecroppers.  the educators didn't do much when it came to integrating the schools.
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: Bison66 on June 16, 2009, 06:18:54 PM
First it was:
Quote
blacks did not fight back.

Now the back-tracking has begun.
bison, i know the history of princeville, nc.  do you.  big deal.

blacks let whites run over them in the late 1800s.  even though all but one of my great grand fathers owned land (he owned a business and paid for family members to go to college.  he refused to own a home.  :brickwall:) most blacks did not.  most blacks in the south were sharecroppers.  the educators didn't do much when it came to integrating the schools.

y04,

Now we're tallking, I guess, about "most."

Blacks, contrary to the nonsense you are spouting, DID fight and some of them to the death.  Armed militias, dude!!!  That is not similar to "black let white run over them." 

Nice move on your part, y04, to compeltely dismiss the history of Black militias (which I am sure you had NO idea ever existed) with just your bald assertion -without any back-up - that Black folks didn't resist or fight.

Just because, outnumbered and outarmed, they ultimately lost those fights, does not mean they did not fight.
You are disgracing the memories of our ancestors with this nonsense.  I suppose you believe in the "happy Negro" propaganda of racists.

By "not owning a home" perhaps your ancestor was insulating himself from the pressure that could be brought on a Colored person who owned a mortgage OR perhaps he thought the night-riders, jealous of his business, might hesitate to burn down a home owned by a white person and rented by him. 

Unless you know his reasons, don't draw negative conclusions about what an obviously talented man did to cope with the unremiting threat of terror that Black folks lived with in the south.  You should go to his gravesite and apologize.

I thought better of you.
 O0

P.S. Your comment about integrating schools (you're still talking 1860-1902???) is ridiculous.



Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: Bison66 on June 16, 2009, 06:34:22 PM
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b4l, when did blacks fight.  they did nothing.

In addition to armed resistance, during the late 1800's there was other resistance.

One example:
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The Washing Society and the Atlanta Washerwoman�s Strike of 1881-- During the Summer of 1881, black "laundresses" in Atlanta organized a successful strike to raise the prices they could charge for their laundering. Their demandsd was for a uniform rate of $1 per 12 lbs. of wash. The city's white newspapers called them "The Washing Amazons." Their strike tactics included threats and harassment of scabs taking in laundry for lower prices. By the Fall, the Washing Society was threatening to organize a general strike of black workers during a business convention to promote industrial development in the Atlanta area, though there is no evidence that the general strike ever took place.
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mcountry/ac399011017.htm
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Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: Ken on June 16, 2009, 06:46:18 PM
The slave rebellion the country tried to forget

http://www.johnhorse.com/black-seminoles/black-seminole-slave-rebellion.htm
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: Bison66 on June 17, 2009, 01:08:04 AM
More historical facts to put to death the lie that Blacks did not fight, struggle or resist in the late 1800's:

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Blacks in Washington, DC, in 1865, led by the fiery abolitionist Sojourner Truth, led a boycott of public transportation facilities which practiced Jim Crow.  Rhode Island blacks forced state officials to desegregate public schools in 1866.  Northern blacks pressured their white congressmen to ratify the Enforcement Act of May 1870, and the Civil Rights Act of March 1875, which further protected blacks’ civil liberties.   
http://books.google.com/books?id=NjOPdGaoPKoC&pg=PA3&lpg=PA3&dq=black+reconstruction+in+america&source=bl&ots=OsJ7vq1T4u&sig=gyjLxjt23KW81zkwEmraqPaLExo&hl=en&ei=jW04SsD1FtWEtwfJrZHaDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8#PPA8,M1

I am sure y04 will brush this aside with nothing but his uninformed opinion, but it remains a historical fact that Black people, as documented in this and previous posts, fought and resisted by many means: armed, collectively, individually, by establishing crusading newspapers and many, many schools and, during the Reconstruction, with appointed and elected officials.

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Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: y04185 on June 17, 2009, 03:53:25 PM
if blacks fought like you claim why did we lose the right to vote.  why did jim crow become law.  why did blacks allow whites to take over north carolina by barrel of a gun.  a strike here and a protest there ain't fighting.
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: oldsport on June 17, 2009, 03:55:50 PM
if blacks fought like you claim why did we lose the right to vote.  why did jim crow become law.  why did blacks allow whites to take over north carolina by barrel of a gun.  a strike here and a protest there ain't fighting.

All good points. I'll wait for the alibi.
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: FunCkMaster on June 17, 2009, 03:57:11 PM
Y and OS

What did you guys think of The Black Panthers back in the day?


Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: oldsport on June 17, 2009, 03:58:46 PM
Y and OS

What did you guys think of The Black Panthers back in the day?




Bunch of dyam criminals and murderers playing communist from the drugstore. PHONEY REVOLUTIONARIES.
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: y04185 on June 17, 2009, 04:06:15 PM
i liked the black panthers.  growing up an army brat i had respect for them as a child.
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: oldsport on June 17, 2009, 04:09:46 PM
i liked the black panthers.  growing up an army brat i had respect for them as a child.

Really. When I came back from Nam these monkeys approached me about some  dyam revolution. I thought they were a dyam joke. They ones I knew were dumb as chit and basically out right cowards when confronted individually. I basically told them to kiss my a--.
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: Bison66 on June 17, 2009, 04:32:17 PM
if blacks fought like you claim why did we lose the right to vote.  why did jim crow become law.  why did blacks allow whites to take over north carolina by barrel of a gun.  a strike here and a protest there ain't fighting.

First, y04, let me rephrase your question the way I am sure you meant to put it:

Since, Bison66, you have proven beyond a doubt that Black folks did fight in various ways (and completely destroyed my argument in the process), and since I realize that fighting back does not always guarantee victory, why did we not win?
y04185


There.....I fixed it all up for you.   ;)

Well, y04, there are many reasons.  Some are internal and some are external.

As is usual amongst people everywhere in the world, there would have been disagreements amongst us about how to proceed - whether to fight or not; how to go about it; use weapons or not, etc.  Consequently, all Black folks would not have been down with the struggle.  [Just like some American colonists were not down with the revolution, some Spaniards were not down to battle against the Moors, some white South Africans were not down with the apartheid government, some Portuguese were not down with their govt's colonial wars, some French-speaking Canadians were not down with separatism, some abortion foes are not down with bombing clinics, some Jews are not down with Zionism, some Muslims are not down with Jihad, some Alaskans are not down with secession, etc.]

Externally, there were several FACTS which would have made a successful struggle difficult under almost any circumstances, including a fairly united Black populace:
- Black people were a minority numerically
- white people had more weapons, partially as a result of the attacks on Black militias and determined efforts to disarm Black folks, legally and extra-legally
- white people had more military experience (Confederate Army vets)
- once partially disarmed, Black folks were more easily intimidated by Night Riders, KKK and Knights of the White Camelia
- BOTH** major political parties abandoned Black folks and permitted the "planter class' to re-take control after Reconstruction was killed
- the SCOTUS invalidated the Civil Rights Act, which allowed the infringement on voting and civil rights of Blacks by the white majority
- in the wake of the fall of Reconstruction, the majority ruled and the majority voted out Blacks' (and some poor whites') rights in many different ways (poll taxes, grandfather clauses, etc.)[/center]

I am sure there are other reasons as well.  But none of them contradicts the FACT that Black folks DID fight, resist and struggle.

I hope that is helpful.

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**With an edit I will come back to cross post info on the betrayal of Black folks by the Party of Lincoln.
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The decline and demise of the First Reconstruction grew apparent before the Panic of 1873 and the economic recession which lasted for four years afterward.  Northern capitalists recognized that they did not have to condone biracial rule in the South in order to develop the predominantly rural region.  Conservatives in the Republican Party found that their own interests converged with those of the former planter class to a greater extent than they did with poor blacks.  As historian Lawrence Goodwyn observes, “the bankers, manufacturers, shippers, and merchants” who ran the Republican Party “soon wearied of their attempt to build a postwar party in the South based on black suffrage.  As elected victories in the 1860s and 1870s proved that the [Republicans] could rule with a basically northern constituency, Negroes, their morale declining, and white radical abolitionists, their numbers thinning, lost the intra-party debate over Southern policy.”…..In the disputed presidential election of 1876, the Republican secured their narrow victory by promising to curtail civil rights measures and to allow the re-establsihment of white supremacy….
http://books.google.com/books?id=NjOPdGaoPKoC&pg=PA3&lpg=PA3&dq=black+reconstruction+in+america&source=bl&ots=OsJ7vq1T4u&sig=gyjLxjt23KW81zkwEmraqPaLExo&hl=en&ei=jW04SsD1FtWEtwfJrZHaDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8#PPA8,M1
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: y04185 on June 17, 2009, 04:42:27 PM
bison, in many areas of the south blacks were the majority.  yet, they still lost the right to vote.  they were denied the right to assemble except in church.  they were denied an education.  they could not even own or purchase property.  they had negro wages and negro prices.  how did that happen in areas that had a black majority.
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: FunCkMaster on June 17, 2009, 04:56:37 PM
Because as soon as the Brothers and sisters would have won an uprising pre 1861, Richmond would have sent a rack of soldiers to do what they did all through the South pre-civil war..Kill Kill Kill the black folks. Y, you are way smarter than that brah. You remind me of Eddie Murphy back in the day, talkin bout what black folks in the 80's would say to some slavemaster if THEY were slaves back in those days..

"I wish a *(*&^% would tell me to bail some Cotton, I would *&%$ him up!"

RIIIIIIIIIIIGHT..Black folks did what they could back in those days, as you all have explained stories of brief victories and uprisings. What finally gave the Southern Black folks even just a glimmer of hope for the future was the North kickin the South in the hindpots...
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: y04185 on June 17, 2009, 05:09:46 PM
funck, you know good and well i am not talking about slaves.  i am talking about free blacks.  you bringing up anything prior to slaves being free is moot.
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: Bison 4 Life on June 17, 2009, 05:28:22 PM
i liked the black panthers.  growing up an army brat i had respect for them as a child.

Really. When I came back from Nam these monkeys approached me about some  dyam revolution. I thought they were a dyam joke. They ones I knew were dumb as chit and basically out right cowards when confronted individually. I basically told them to kiss my a--.

I know this is a flat out lie.
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: FunCkMaster on June 17, 2009, 05:34:28 PM
funck, you know good and well i am not talking about slaves.  i am talking about free blacks.  you bringing up anything prior to slaves being free is moot.

Okay, maybe I mistook the time frame. Still, come on, post civil war, you know darned well black folks were between a rock and a hard place. And we fought where we could. Shoot, just fast forward to now. All you need is for there to be a RUMOR about Black folks uprising against some injustices, and we'd fill the jails  a 1,000-fold...Ask the Black Panthers what happened to them when they just tried to make black folks on the left coast self aware, defend temselves the way other did, and do what you admire so much "Do for self". The doggone Oakland Police basically just did what they wanted to with Newton and a bunch of those guys (Lil Bobby Hutton etc.)
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: y04185 on June 17, 2009, 06:26:25 PM
funck, the people the black panthers were helping had the courage of sheep.  nobody took up the banner.
Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: Bison66 on June 17, 2009, 11:29:56 PM
bison, in many areas of the south blacks were the majority.  yet, they still lost the right to vote.  they were denied the right to assemble except in church.  they were denied an education.  they could not even own or purchase property.  they had negro wages and negro prices.  how did that happen in areas that had a black majority.

Whereas, it has been indubitably shown that Black folks DID fight - armed and otherwise - for their rights in the post-War South, and

Whereas, it has been acknowledged - by silence or assent-  that this is true by all the parties to this discussion, and

Whereas, SEVERAL factors - and NOT simply population numbers - were previously delimited which contributed by combination and synergy to the stripping of the rights of Black folks despite their imperfect efforts to fight for them, and

Whereas, it is each person's responsbility to educate themselves on their own People's History.

BE IT SOLEMNLY RESOLVED THAT, except for those who choose a willing blindness, each person - rather than rely on others' research - commit themselves to learning more about their People's History so that their questions will be answered.

Respectfully Submitted in the spirit of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY - and to derail any desire for being spoon-fed obvious answers - on this day, 17 June, 2009, the anniversary of the birth of James Weldon Johnson and the day before the anniversary of the death of David Walker.
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Title: Re: The Problem With Most K----s Here
Post by: Bison66 on June 17, 2009, 11:32:40 PM
funck, the people the black panthers were helping had the courage of sheep.  nobody took up the banner.

Yep, one of them claims to have told the Panthers to kiss his a--!

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Title: Re: The Problem With Most...
Post by: Bison66 on December 20, 2013, 12:37:08 AM
y04,

If you're still curious about this subject....

We Will Shoot Back: Armed Resistance in the Mississippi Freedom Movement

http://www.amazon.com/Will-Shoot-Back-Resistance-Mississippi/dp/0814725244

You can read some of the book on the Amazon site.

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