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Title: Source: MEAC, Chicago State weighing options
Post by: klg14 on January 11, 2022, 02:44:10 PM
A year after our initial report, sources indicate that the MEAC and Chicago State are continuing to feel each other out.
https://hbcugameday.com/2022/01/11/source-meac-chicago-state-weighing-options/
Title: Re: Source: MEAC, Chicago State weighing options
Post by: Blackwell on January 11, 2022, 02:59:36 PM
Makes no sense.
Title: Re: Source: MEAC, Chicago State weighing options
Post by: Jay_Thomas on January 11, 2022, 03:10:14 PM
Makes no sense.



....AT ALL!


But if they think so.....OK.   ;)
Title: Re: Source: MEAC, Chicago State weighing options
Post by: Professor on January 11, 2022, 04:07:41 PM
Interesting
Title: Re: Source: MEAC, Chicago State weighing options
Post by: Warpaint on January 11, 2022, 04:21:23 PM
It might not be as crazy as it seems.  Looks like Basketball and Volleyball are the only real sports that the current MEAC members would have to travel to Chicago for, and not every volleyball team would need to travel there each season. 

Chicago State could travel to current MEAC schools for all the other sports and compete in "conference roundups" to fulfill their conference schedules.

If I am a MEAC school the ability to market my school in Chicago might be worth the cost to send my basketball teams out there once a year.
Title: Re: Source: MEAC, Chicago State weighing options
Post by: Ram55 on January 11, 2022, 07:01:15 PM
This very small school isn't on anyone's list of HBCUs. Now they are wanting to join the MEAC? They must be very lonely up there by themselves.
Title: Re: Source: MEAC, Chicago State weighing options
Post by: oleschoolaggie on January 11, 2022, 07:03:51 PM
It might not be as crazy as it seems.  Looks like Basketball and Volleyball are the only real sports that the current MEAC members would have to travel to Chicago for, and not every volleyball team would need to travel there each season. 

Chicago State could travel to current MEAC schools for all the other sports and compete in "conference roundups" to fulfill their conference schedules.

If I am a MEAC school the ability to market my school in Chicago might be worth the cost to send my basketball teams out there once a year.

agreed.  robert morris and monmouth don't make sense in the bsc either.  but when you're hanging on by a thin thread for the mere "survival" of your conference, it does make sense.

same for the meac.  beggars can't be "choosey"...
Title: Re: Source: MEAC, Chicago State weighing options
Post by: Blackwell on January 11, 2022, 07:46:40 PM
If travel costs is a concern for conference members, how is making the trip to Chicago going to be a positive?

Wouldn't it be more practical to seek options within the current conference footprint?
Title: Re: Source: MEAC, Chicago State weighing options
Post by: Professor on January 11, 2022, 09:09:37 PM
It might not be as crazy as it seems.  Looks like Basketball and Volleyball are the only real sports that the current MEAC members would have to travel to Chicago for, and not every volleyball team would need to travel there each season. 

Chicago State could travel to current MEAC schools for all the other sports and compete in "conference roundups" to fulfill their conference schedules.

If I am a MEAC school the ability to market my school in Chicago might be worth the cost to send my basketball teams out there once a year.

agreed.  robert morris and monmouth don't make sense in the bsc either.  but when you're hanging on by a thin thread for the mere "survival" of your conference, it does make sense.

same for the meac.  beggars can't be "choosey"...

Lol. The difference is that those schools you named play one sport in their conference. Chicago State is trying to come in as a full member and add football.

And it doesn't seem that the MEAC or Chicago State are begging. They are courting each other.
Title: Re: Source: MEAC, Chicago State weighing options
Post by: Warpaint on January 11, 2022, 09:34:23 PM
It might not be as crazy as it seems.  Looks like Basketball and Volleyball are the only real sports that the current MEAC members would have to travel to Chicago for, and not every volleyball team would need to travel there each season. 

Chicago State could travel to current MEAC schools for all the other sports and compete in "conference roundups" to fulfill their conference schedules.

If I am a MEAC school the ability to market my school in Chicago might be worth the cost to send my basketball teams out there once a year.

agreed.  robert morris and monmouth don't make sense in the bsc either.  but when you're hanging on by a thin thread for the mere "survival" of your conference, it does make sense.

same for the meac.  beggars can't be "choosey"...

Lol. The difference is that those schools you named play one sport in their conference. Chicago State is trying to come in as a full member and add football.

And it doesn't seem that the MEAC or Chicago State are begging. They are courting each other.

With Chicago States current sports Basketball would require each MEAC school to travel there.  Some schools may have to travel for Volleyball and Tennis, but scheduling conference roundups and midseason round robins could help to limit the need for current MEAC schools to travel to Chicago.  The other sports like track, cross country, and golf aren't sports that would require schools to visit Chicago.

In my opionion I would actually be against Chicago State adding football.  The cost associated with that travel may be too much to justify for MEAC schools, even though the trip only has to be made once every other year.

MEAC might not be officially begging, but adding more members has to be part of their priority.  Chicago State is about to be without a home so they are begging to be somewhere.  They have been stuck in the Great West and then WAC, so it's obvious that none of the conferences in their geographic footprint want them.
Title: Re: Source: MEAC, Chicago State weighing options
Post by: Warpaint on January 11, 2022, 09:42:21 PM
If travel costs is a concern for conference members, how is making the trip to Chicago going to be a positive?

Wouldn't it be more practical to seek options within the current conference footprint?

Traveling with a basketball, volleyball, or tennis team to Chicago should be a lot less expensive then the costs associated with travel related to football games up and down the midatlantic and southeast.  I don't know if the MEAC schools charter flights for bball, but in the event they don't, flying to Chicago should actually not be that bad.  Chicago is a hub city for multiple airlines which allows all the MEAC schools to fly direct and find competitive pricing for tickets.

It would be more practical to find new members in the current footprint, but unless they get a D2 school to move up what current D1 school do you think the MEAC could get to join?
Title: Re: Source: MEAC, Chicago State weighing options
Post by: BisonBlu on January 11, 2022, 10:07:42 PM
The MEAC has to seriously take a look at this. There’s an obvious need to add an additional member institution. Chicago State, Kentucky State, Central State, Bluefield State, Virginia State all should be in play
Title: Re: Source: MEAC, Chicago State weighing options
Post by: ‘87 Alum on January 11, 2022, 10:18:03 PM
No harm in exploring options and opportunities by all parties.
Title: Re: Source: MEAC, Chicago State weighing options
Post by: oleschoolaggie on January 11, 2022, 10:44:34 PM
If travel costs is a concern for conference members, how is making the trip to Chicago going to be a positive?

Wouldn't it be more practical to seek options within the current conference footprint?

beggars can't be "choosey".  its that simple...
Title: Re: Source: MEAC, Chicago State weighing options
Post by: oleschoolaggie on January 11, 2022, 10:57:46 PM
It might not be as crazy as it seems.  Looks like Basketball and Volleyball are the only real sports that the current MEAC members would have to travel to Chicago for, and not every volleyball team would need to travel there each season. 

Chicago State could travel to current MEAC schools for all the other sports and compete in "conference roundups" to fulfill their conference schedules.

If I am a MEAC school the ability to market my school in Chicago might be worth the cost to send my basketball teams out there once a year.

agreed.  robert morris and monmouth don't make sense in the bsc either.  but when you're hanging on by a thin thread for the mere "survival" of your conference, it does make sense.

same for the meac.  beggars can't be "choosey"...

Lol. The difference is that those schools you named play one sport in their conference. Chicago State is trying to come in as a full member and add football.

And it doesn't seem that the MEAC or Chicago State are begging. They are courting each other.

see, what you "still" don't understand is that "most" sports teams in the meac have "independent" regular season schedules, not "conference mandated" regular season schedules.

that means "most" sports teams in the meac would not have to travel to chicago and vice versa.  chicago state doesn't have football, so that's a "non-factor".  the only sports to travel to chicago is basketball. baseball, volleyball, and softball have had "divisional play" in the past and if that continues, only half the conference in those sports may have to travel to chicago and vice versa.

all other sports (which are the majority of each school's sports teams) have "independent schedules" and never have to travel to chicago or vice versa.

its not ideal, but it is plausible...
Title: Re: Source: MEAC, Chicago State weighing options
Post by: Professor on January 12, 2022, 12:07:08 AM
It might not be as crazy as it seems.  Looks like Basketball and Volleyball are the only real sports that the current MEAC members would have to travel to Chicago for, and not every volleyball team would need to travel there each season. 

Chicago State could travel to current MEAC schools for all the other sports and compete in "conference roundups" to fulfill their conference schedules.

If I am a MEAC school the ability to market my school in Chicago might be worth the cost to send my basketball teams out there once a year.

agreed.  robert morris and monmouth don't make sense in the bsc either.  but when you're hanging on by a thin thread for the mere "survival" of your conference, it does make sense.

same for the meac.  beggars can't be "choosey"...

Lol. The difference is that those schools you named play one sport in their conference. Chicago State is trying to come in as a full member and add football.

And it doesn't seem that the MEAC or Chicago State are begging. They are courting each other.

see, what you "still" don't understand is that "most" sports teams in the meac have "independent" regular season schedules, not "conference mandated" regular season schedules.

that means "most" sports teams in the meac would not have to travel to chicago and vice versa.  chicago state doesn't have football, so that's a "non-factor".  the only sports to travel to chicago is basketball. baseball, volleyball, and softball have had "divisional play" in the past and if that continues, only half the conference in those sports may have to travel to chicago and vice versa.

all other sports (which are the majority of each school's sports teams) have "independent schedules" and never have to travel to chicago or vice versa.

its not ideal, but it is plausible...

Chicago State wants to add football. And i'm all for it. Take the MEAC to the midwest

https://www.extrapointsmb.com/chicago-state-football-study-conference-realignment/
Title: Re: Source: MEAC, Chicago State weighing options
Post by: Strike79 on January 12, 2022, 07:16:19 AM
No harm in exploring options and opportunities by all parties.
:nod:……………concur. 

In this current very volatile climate of conference realignment, why is the specter of Meac and Chicago State discussing a possible relationship deemed by several peeps so objectionable?  :shrug:

Btw, with respect to the argument about the lack of a geographic “footprint” between Meac schools and Chi State, well, that argument is diminished when you consider recent conference realignments among FBS schools. West Va joining the Big 12, and, Maryland and Rutgers joining the Big 10 are just two examples.

Anyway, I like the civil and respectful tone among peeps in this discussion.  Continue………….  ;D
Title: Re: Source: MEAC, Chicago State weighing options
Post by: Jay_Thomas on January 12, 2022, 07:59:23 AM
Glad to hear that they are considering adding football.
I actually hope that they do.  :nod:
Title: Re: Source: MEAC, Chicago State weighing options
Post by: bluedog on January 12, 2022, 11:45:35 AM
Freedom isn't free
Title: Re: Source: MEAC, Chicago State weighing options
Post by: WileECoyote06 on January 12, 2022, 12:56:06 PM
Well people wanted Thomas to recruit non-HBCUs so here ya go.
Title: Re: Source: MEAC, Chicago State weighing options
Post by: bluedog on January 12, 2022, 01:17:43 PM
Well people wanted Thomas to recruit non-HBCUs so here ya go.
Actually Chicago State is an hbcu

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_State_University
Title: Re: Source: MEAC, Chicago State weighing options
Post by: csugrad on January 12, 2022, 02:35:50 PM
Chicago State has no business being in Division 1 period. They have terrible administration and a terrible athletic department. Of course they are looking for a conference because no one wants them due to years and years of complete ineptitude at all levels. Even here in the Chicago area their reputation is poor. If I were the MEAC I would stay far away from them.
Title: Re: Source: MEAC, Chicago State weighing options
Post by: bluedog on January 12, 2022, 02:59:36 PM
Chicago State has no business being in Division 1 period. They have terrible administration and a terrible athletic department. Of course they are looking for a conference because no one wants them due to years and years of complete ineptitude at all levels. Even here in the Chicago area their reputation is poor. If I were the MEAC I would stay far away from them.
You sound like you had a bad experience with them.
Title: Re: Source: MEAC, Chicago State weighing options
Post by: ‘87 Alum on January 12, 2022, 03:04:19 PM
Chicago State has no business being in Division 1 period. They have terrible administration and a terrible athletic department. Of course they are looking for a conference because no one wants them due to years and years of complete ineptitude at all levels. Even here in the Chicago area their reputation is poor. If I were the MEAC I would stay far away from them.

Not a fan huh

:lmao:
Title: Re: Source: MEAC, Chicago State weighing options
Post by: Jay_Thomas on January 12, 2022, 03:10:35 PM
 :popcorn: csugrad said what he said
Title: Re: Source: MEAC, Chicago State weighing options
Post by: ‘87 Alum on January 12, 2022, 03:13:38 PM
:popcorn: csugrad said what he said

With their whole entire chest too….

May as well ended with this…
(https://c.tenor.com/c51xh6iDP7EAAAAd/kiss-my.gif)
Title: Re: Source: MEAC, Chicago State weighing options
Post by: KnuckDogg on January 12, 2022, 03:41:14 PM
It makes more sense for UMES and Coppin State to start up football than taking a start-up football playing school from the mid-west. This is crazy and preposterous.  :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
Title: Re: Source: MEAC, Chicago State weighing options
Post by: bluedog on January 12, 2022, 03:49:12 PM
Well y'all wanted Dennis Thomas gone.(https://media3.giphy.com/media/2UvAUplPi4ESnKa3W0/giphy.gif?cid=349c9dd765x4le5ics3ry89cs3ak6fqwmyy523eqr0i5fiyr&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g)
Title: Re: Source: MEAC, Chicago State weighing options
Post by: WileECoyote06 on January 12, 2022, 03:54:09 PM
Well people wanted Thomas to recruit non-HBCUs so here ya go.
Actually Chicago State is an hbcu

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_State_University

No, it isn't.  They just have a whole lot of black students.  It's predominately black, like York and Medgar Evers in New York City.

 
Title: Re: Source: MEAC, Chicago State weighing options
Post by: bluedog on January 12, 2022, 03:58:13 PM
Well people wanted Thomas to recruit non-HBCUs so here ya go.
Actually Chicago State is an hbcu

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_State_University

No, it isn't.  They just have a whole lot of black students.  It's predominately black, like York and Medgar Evers in New York City.

 
These two things say it is.

Chicago State University (CSU) is a Predominantly Black, public university in Chicago, Illinois. Founded in 1867 as the Cook County Normal School, it was an innovative teachers college. Eventually the Chicago Public Schools assumed control of the school and it became Chicago Teachers College (CTC). Northeastern Illinois University began as a branch campus of CTC. In 1951, the State of Illinois began funding the college, and assumed control in 1965, transforming it into a comprehensive state college. In 1967, it became Chicago State University. CSU is a member of the Thurgood Marshall College Fund and accredited by the Higher Learning Commission.

Any school found in the 18 hundreds and named normal is as black as it gets. lmao...
Title: Re: Source: MEAC, Chicago State weighing options
Post by: westcoastaggie on January 12, 2022, 04:08:50 PM
Well people wanted Thomas to recruit non-HBCUs so here ya go.
Actually Chicago State is an hbcu

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_State_University

They are a PBI, not an HBCU.
Title: Re: Source: MEAC, Chicago State weighing options
Post by: EagleWing on January 12, 2022, 06:21:56 PM
Not interested in Chicago state but I don’t blame the MEAC for doing it’s due diligence. If they were to come onboard for basketball that’s fine, as a full member? Nah.

The MEAC was forced and now it has to explore all options.
Title: Re: Source: MEAC, Chicago State weighing options
Post by: Jay_Thomas on January 13, 2022, 08:37:42 AM
It makes more sense for UMES and Coppin State to start up football than taking a start-up football playing school from the mid-west. This is crazy and preposterous.  :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:



THIS should have been done DECADES ago. UMES [Maryland State] has a serious football team back in the 70's. I know Coppin State had football at one time years ago. I feel like the MEAC should have replaced them years ago.
Title: Re: Source: MEAC, Chicago State weighing options
Post by: JBROB on January 14, 2022, 05:20:05 AM
Founded in 1867 as the Cook County Normal School.

1938 Chicago Teachers College (CTC)

As the demographic composition of the south side of Chicago changed, increasing numbers of African-American students began to attend the college. By the 1950s, nearly 30% of the student body was black.

In 1967, it became Chicago State University.

Chicago State University in 1971

By the mid-1960s the college's infrastructure was deteriorating and tensions between the majority white student body and the mostly black surrounding neighborhood were on the rise.

the African-American portion of the student body swelled from 60% at the outset of the 1970s to over 80% by 1980.

These shifting demographics encouraged a debate over whether CSU should be considered a predominantly African-American institution, akin to the HBCUs (Historically Black Colleges and Universities) or whether it should retain a multicultural and multiracial identity. That debate has continued in some form ever since.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_State_University#1950%E2%80%931979:_Name_changes,_new_location
Title: Re: Source: MEAC, Chicago State weighing options
Post by: BisonBlu on January 14, 2022, 10:00:08 AM
It makes more sense for UMES and Coppin State to start up football than taking a start-up football playing school from the mid-west. This is crazy and preposterous.  :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

It’s great to see these debates and everyone finally acknowledging that we want the MEAC to survive as a conference no matter who’s represented. The MEAC expanded several times since UMES dropped football. The problem is that since then founding members and those same expansion members have found other landing spots.

UMES will not add football since their athletic department is not state funded. The start up cost alone would be double their current department budget.


THIS should have been done DECADES ago. UMES [Maryland State] has a serious football team back in the 70's. I know Coppin State had football at one time years ago. I feel like the MEAC should have replaced them years ago.
Title: Re: Source: MEAC, Chicago State weighing options
Post by: FunCkMaster on January 14, 2022, 11:30:21 AM
It makes more sense for UMES and Coppin State to start up football than taking a start-up football playing school from the mid-west. This is crazy and preposterous.  :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:



THIS should have been done DECADES ago. UMES [Maryland State] has a serious football team back in the 70's. I know Coppin State had football at one time years ago. I feel like the MEAC should have replaced them years ago.

UMES was ehhhhh to aiiiight in the 70's.

They were DEFINITELY powerhouses in the 40's 50's and 60's. I believe the program folded after the 1979 regular season. I wish they could have rebuilt the program years ago when talks seemed to be very serious.
Title: Re: Source: MEAC, Chicago State weighing options
Post by: DRUMMA1 on January 14, 2022, 01:55:59 PM
Well people wanted Thomas to recruit non-HBCUs so here ya go.
Actually Chicago State is an hbcu

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_State_University

Chicago State University is predominantly Black but it is not an HBCU.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_historically_black_colleges_and_universities