Onnidan Fan Forum

Discussion => Politics => Topic started by: y04185 on June 05, 2021, 07:16:12 AM

Title: Why is killing an unborn child thru abortion is legal? Shooting one is not .
Post by: y04185 on June 05, 2021, 07:16:12 AM
Please explain in detail.
Title: Re: Why is killing an unborn child thru abortion is legal? Shooting one is not .
Post by: Wildman78 on June 05, 2021, 09:12:08 AM
First, we should clarify what the law is regarding abortions.

On Jan 22, 1973, the Supreme Court, in a 7-2 decision, struck down the Texas law banning abortion, effectively legalizing the procedure nationwide. In a majority opinion written by Justice Harry Blackmun, the court declared that a woman’s right to an abortion was implicit in the right to privacy protected by the 14th Amendment.

The court divided pregnancy into three trimesters, and declared that the choice to end a pregnancy in the first trimester was solely up to the woman. In the second trimester, the government could regulate abortion, although not ban it, in order to protect the mother’s health.

In the third trimester, the state could prohibit abortion to protect a fetus that could survive on its own outside the womb, except when a woman’s health was in danger.

https://www.history.com/topics/womens-rights/roe-v-wade

Broadly stated, the law and American society have concluded that a woman has a lawful right to determine whether she wishes to birth a child. This right is connected to the right of a woman to control her own body.  The person who shoots a child that as already been born has no comparable right.

Of course, the woman's right to control her own body is in conflict with the right of the unborn child to live and the state's interest in protecting the right of the unborn child to live. Accordingly, the Supreme Court attempted to strike a balance in Roe v. Wade. As can be observed in the ongoing debate on abortion, some folks believe the Supreme Court got it wrong.
Title: Re: Why is killing an unborn child thru abortion is legal? Shooting one is not .
Post by: Nomenclature on June 05, 2021, 11:15:09 AM
Please explain in detail.

Explain in detail why it is now illegal for local and state municipalities and even health authorities to mandate or encourage the public to wear masks during a global pandemic even though the U.S. leads the world in infections and deaths, but it is legal for people to own guns without needing training or a permit even though the U.S. leads the world in deaths by guns?
Title: Re: Why is killing an unborn child thru abortion is legal? Shooting one is not .
Post by: Maroon and Gray on June 05, 2021, 11:39:59 AM
Please explain in detail.

Explain in detail why it is now illegal for local and state municipalities and even health authorities to mandate or encourage the public to wear masks during a global pandemic even though the U.S. leads the world in infections and deaths, but it is legal for people to own guns without needing training or a permit even though the U.S. leads the world in deaths by guns?


This is a BETTER question because y04 could have looked up the legal writings on the matter.  But because he is a gun lover he's not interested in something that could potentially take his manhood away.

For the record I'm not against the 2nd Amendment.  However management of guns in this country is nonexistent and selective. If white folk weren't so paranoid about any and every non white person walking the streets perhaps better laws would be in place and enforced.
Title: Re: Why is killing an unborn child thru abortion is legal? Shooting one is not .
Post by: y04185 on June 05, 2021, 11:51:02 AM
Please explain in detail.

Explain in detail why it is now illegal for local and state municipalities and even health authorities to mandate or encourage the public to wear masks during a global pandemic even though the U.S. leads the world in infections and deaths, but it is legal for people to own guns without needing training or a permit even though the U.S. leads the world in deaths by guns?

 :offtopic:
Title: Re: Why is killing an unborn child thru abortion is legal? Shooting one is not .
Post by: Nomenclature on June 05, 2021, 12:19:11 PM
Please explain in detail.

Explain in detail why it is now illegal for local and state municipalities and even health authorities to mandate or encourage the public to wear masks during a global pandemic even though the U.S. leads the world in infections and deaths, but it is legal for people to own guns without needing training or a permit even though the U.S. leads the world in deaths by guns?

 :offtopic:

Too coward to answer, huh?
Title: Re: Why is killing an unborn child thru abortion is legal? Shooting one is not .
Post by: Wildman78 on June 05, 2021, 12:21:35 PM
y04185, my post was not off-topic. You care to comment on my response to your question. 
Title: Re: Why is killing an unborn child thru abortion is legal? Shooting one is not .
Post by: y04185 on June 10, 2021, 05:31:28 PM
y04185, my post was not off-topic. You care to comment on my response to your question.

https://abc11.com/fayetteville-man-charged-in-death-of-pregnant-woman-unborn-child/10705399/

Why is this man charged with two murders? 
Title: Re: Why is killing an unborn child thru abortion is legal? Shooting one is not .
Post by: Wildman78 on June 10, 2021, 05:59:18 PM
The law permits a woman to terminate a pregnancy because she has an interest in her own health, and a privacy interest. The state has an interest in protecting the life of the mother and the unborn child. The man who shot the woman and caused the death of the unborn child has no similar interests that society deems worthy of protecting. Therefore, he is charged with two murders.


Title: Re: Why is killing an unborn child thru abortion is legal? Shooting one is not .
Post by: y04185 on June 10, 2021, 06:49:07 PM
That makes no sense.  Are you saying every woman who gets an abortion is doing so because of her health?  The state is speaking with forked tongue if they have an interest in protecting the life of an unborn child and allow abortions.  Then charge someone with double murder. 
Title: Re: Why is killing an unborn child thru abortion is legal? Shooting one is not .
Post by: Wildman78 on June 10, 2021, 07:00:25 PM
That makes no sense.  Are you saying every woman who gets an abortion is doing so because of her health?  The state is speaking with forked tongue if they have an interest in protecting the life of an unborn child and allow abortions.  Then charge someone with double murder.

The Supreme Court has ruled that the state has  no interest in the unborn child in the first trimester. In the Second Trimester the state can regulate abortion to protect the health of the mother.  The state has an interest in the life of unborn child in the third trimester. However, it does not outweigh the woman's health  concerns. 

Again, this the law: The court divided pregnancy into three trimesters, and declared that the choice to end a pregnancy in the first trimester was solely up to the woman. In the second trimester, the government could regulate abortion, although not ban it, in order to protect the mother’s health. In the third trimester, the state could prohibit abortion to protect a fetus that could survive on its own outside the womb, except when a woman’s health was in danger.

You asked why the man is charged with two murders. The man has no interest that the society is willing to recognize with respect to ending the unborn child's life. That is why he's charged with two murders.

I am not saying that every woman who gets an abortion does so for their health. In the first two trimesters, it is the woman's right to privacy and the right to decide what happens with her own body that is the interest recognized by the state.

If the woman decided to have an abortion  in the third trimester, the state could prosecute her and the doctor if the state determined that the abortion was not to protect the mother's health.


You appear to want the state's interest in the unborn child to outweigh the women's interest in her health and privacy in all instances. However, most people don't agree with that point of view and the law reflects that reality.


Title: Re: Why is killing an unborn child thru abortion is legal? Shooting one is not .
Post by: eagle pride on June 10, 2021, 10:33:35 PM
I don't believe in abortions, but I believe that a woman should have the right to choose. 
Title: Re: Why is killing an unborn child thru abortion is legal? Shooting one is not .
Post by: Neymar on June 11, 2021, 08:42:26 AM
I don't believe in abortions, but I believe that a woman should have the right to choose.

This is an insane statement on your birthday sir.

This is like saying:

"I don't believe in slavery, but I believe a state should have the rights to choose what it is done in their state in regards to slavery"


It was the southern cause fence sitting.
Title: Re: Why is killing an unborn child thru abortion is legal? Shooting one is not .
Post by: Wildman78 on June 11, 2021, 08:48:40 AM

This is an insane statement on your birthday sir.

This is like saying:

"I don't believe in slavery, but I believe a state should have the rights to choose what it is done in their state in regards to slavery"


It was the southern cause fence sitting.

I do not think that is a good analogy Neymar.

I think a better analogy would be I am oppose to interracial marriage but I would not want it to be illegal.

or

I am against using marijuana but I think marijuana should be legal

Comparing anything to slavery is generally a bad idea.
Title: Re: Why is killing an unborn child thru abortion is legal? Shooting one is not .
Post by: ‘87 Alum on June 11, 2021, 08:58:43 AM
I don't believe in abortions, but I believe that a woman should have the right to choose. 

I know of four cases of posters that I would have supported and probably funded if possible.
Title: Re: Why is killing an unborn child thru abortion is legal? Shooting one is not .
Post by: Neymar on June 11, 2021, 08:59:00 AM

This is an insane statement on your birthday sir.

This is like saying:

"I don't believe in slavery, but I believe a state should have the rights to choose what it is done in their state in regards to slavery"


It was the southern cause fence sitting.

I do not think that is a good analogy Neymar.

I think a better analogy would be I am oppose to interracial marriage but I would not want it to be illegal.

or

I against using marijuana but I think marijuana should be legal

Comparing anything to slavery is generally a bad idea.

Seeing how old black men and Africans love white women so much slavery is about of a no go as Interracial Marriage :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Why is killing an unborn child thru abortion is legal? Shooting one is not .
Post by: Neymar on June 11, 2021, 08:59:51 AM
I don't believe in abortions, but I believe that a woman should have the right to choose. 

I know of four cases of posters that I would have supported and probably funded if possible.

You aren't prepared to fund anything other than Chili.
Title: Re: Why is killing an unborn child thru abortion is legal? Shooting one is not .
Post by: Wildman78 on June 11, 2021, 09:02:50 AM

Seeing how old black men and Africans love white women so much slavery is about of a no go as Interracial Marriage :lol: :lol: :lol:

Not following this at all.  :shrug:  What does loving White women have to do with what I said.  :shrug:

A person that says they are against interracial marriage but does not think it should be illegal is an example of someone not approving of a particular behavior while also having the opinion that the government should not prohibit it. 

(https://thejosevilson.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/edlover.jpg)
Title: Re: Why is killing an unborn child thru abortion is legal? Shooting one is not .
Post by: Neymar on June 11, 2021, 09:04:49 AM

Seeing how old black men and Africans love white women so much slavery is about of a no go as Interracial Marriage :lol: :lol: :lol:

Not following this at all.  :shrug:  What does this have to do with loving White woman have to do with what I said.  :shrug:

The same reason you won't compare anything to slavery is the same reason you shouldn't compare anything to IR.

Its untouchable.
Title: Re: Why is killing an unborn child thru abortion is legal? Shooting one is not .
Post by: Wildman78 on June 11, 2021, 09:11:24 AM
The same reason you won't compare anything to slavery is the same reason you shouldn't compare anything to IR.

Its untouchable.


Okay, I'm done. You are making absolutely no sense.

Try thinking in the abstract.

Abortion, using marijuana, and interracial marriage all involve personal choices of which others may disapprove but can rationally reason that the government should not prohibit. Slavery is not that. Dayum.

(https://thejosevilson.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/edlover.jpg)
Title: Re: Why is killing an unborn child thru abortion is legal? Shooting one is not .
Post by: Neymar on June 11, 2021, 09:12:29 AM


Not following this at all.  :shrug:  What does this have to do with loving White woman have to do with what I said.  :shrug:

The same reason you won't compare anything to slavery is the same reason you shouldn't compare anything to IR.

Its untouchable.
[/quote]

Okay, I'm done. You are making absolutely no sense.

Try thinking in the abstract.

Abortion, using marijuana, and interracial marriage all involve personal choices that
others of which others may disapprove but cannot rationally reason that the government should not interfered. Slavery is not that. Dayum.

(https://thejosevilson.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/edlover.jpg)
[/quote]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdFdwo2YtiQ
Title: Re: Why is killing an unborn child thru abortion is legal? Shooting one is not .
Post by: Wildman78 on June 11, 2021, 09:14:40 AM
Are you actually citing Kanye West to support your jackassery.  :shrug: Anyone who thinks slavery is a personal choice like abortion interracial marriage, smoking marijuana has some serious intellectual deficiencies.
Title: Re: Why is killing an unborn child thru abortion is legal? Shooting one is not .
Post by: Neymar on June 11, 2021, 09:25:53 AM
Are you actually citing Kanye West to support your jackassery.  :shrug:

No Kanye is a dumb ass, but personal choice is subjective as you see here. What you consider personal, is not seen as so by other people; Vice versa too.

For many black men Interracial marriage isn't a choice as much as it is involuntary the same way the bondage forced on enslaved people was involuntary. Thats the point. If slavery isn't a choice than either is IR.

There was this gay ass Nigerian football player this week at Virginia tech who was arrested for killing a white cross dresser when he discovered it was a man after he had oral sex with him. You and I both know that white boy put that thang on the young bantu and he couldn't handle it...had to kill old boy for making him feel TOO good. This guy, if he wasn't going to jail forever now, probably wouldn't have been able to choose anything but a white chick in the future. Theres no choice there.
Title: Re: Why is killing an unborn child thru abortion is legal? Shooting one is not .
Post by: Wildman78 on June 11, 2021, 09:38:41 AM
Are you actually citing Kanye West to support your jackassery.  :shrug:

No Kanye is a dumb ass, but personal choice is subjective as you see here. What you consider personal, is not seen as so by other people; Vice versa too.

For many black men Interracial marriage isn't a choice as much as it is involuntary the same way the bondage forced on enslaved people was involuntary. Thats the point. If slavery isn't a choice than either is IR.

There was this gay ass Nigerian football player this week at Virginia tech who was arrested for killing a white cross dresser when he discovered it was a man after he had oral sex with him. You and I both know that white boy put that thang on the young bantu and he couldn't handle it...had to kill old boy for making him feel TOO good. This guy, if he wasn't going to jail forever now, probably wouldn't have been able to choose anything but a white chick in the future. Theres no choice there.

No. Personal choice in the context of abortion, interracial marriage or smoking marijuana is not subjective. You just throwing shyt against the wall hoping something sticks.

Your assertion that the Nigerian football player would/will not able to marry a Black woman is pure conjecture. Again, just throwing shyt against the wall hoping something sticks.

Neymar this rambling diatribe you just posted makes no dayum sense at all. Your last three or four posts have been a series on non-sequiturs

Please cite one example of an interracial marriage that was involuntary.

Interracial marriage is a choice. Slavery was not. Period.

Title: Re: Why is killing an unborn child thru abortion is legal? Shooting one is not .
Post by: Neymar on June 11, 2021, 10:28:34 AM
Are you actually citing Kanye West to support your jackassery.  :shrug:

No Kanye is a dumb ass, but personal choice is subjective as you see here. What you consider personal, is not seen as so by other people; Vice versa too.

For many black men Interracial marriage isn't a choice as much as it is involuntary the same way the bondage forced on enslaved people was involuntary. Thats the point. If slavery isn't a choice than either is IR.

There was this gay ass Nigerian football player this week at Virginia tech who was arrested for killing a white cross dresser when he discovered it was a man after he had oral sex with him. You and I both know that white boy put that thang on the young bantu and he couldn't handle it...had to kill old boy for making him feel TOO good. This guy, if he wasn't going to jail forever now, probably wouldn't have been able to choose anything but a white chick in the future. Theres no choice there.

No. Personal choice in the context of abortion, interracial marriage or smoking marijuana is not subjective. You just throwing shyt against the wall hoping something sticks.

Your assertion that the Nigerian football player would/will not have be able to marry a Black woman is pure conjecture. Again, just throwing shyt against the wall hoping something sticks.

Neymar this rambling diatribe you just posted makes no dayum sense at all. Your last three or four posts have been a series on non-sequiturs

Please cite one example of an interracial marriage that was involuntary.

Interracial marriage is a choice. Slavery was not. Period.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Pitts_Douglass (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Pitts_Douglass)

He didn't have a choice in marrying her. A former slave could not consent in entering a union with a white woman.
Title: Re: Why is killing an unborn child thru abortion is legal? Shooting one is not .
Post by: Wildman78 on June 11, 2021, 11:02:54 AM
. Despite the fact that Helen's parents, Gideon and Jane Pitts, were abolitionists, they were against the marriage because Douglass was the son of a white father and a black mother. The marriage was generally the subject of scorn by both white and black residents in the town, though the Douglasses were firm in their convictions. "Love came to me, and I was not afraid to marry the man I loved because of his color," she said. Douglass laughingly commented, "This proves I am impartial. My first wife was the color of my mother and the second, the color of my father."[3] A main source of support was Elizabeth Cady Stanton, who said: "In defense of the right to ... marry whom we please – we might quote some of the basic principles of our government [and] suggest that in some things individual rights to tastes should control.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Pitts_Douglass

How in the hell can you say this interracial marriage was involuntary.  :shrug: You are completely full of crap.
Title: Re: Why is killing an unborn child thru abortion is legal? Shooting one is not .
Post by: DAW912 on June 11, 2021, 12:32:02 PM
.  Are you saying every woman who gets an abortion is doing so because of her health?  The state is speaking with forked tongue if they have an interest in protecting the life of an unborn child and allow abortions.  Then charge someone with double murder. 
I am pro life. You’re argument is ridiculous on its face. The law permits a woman to have an abortion.  The law does not permit murder. And since life begins at conception, anybody who uses a gun to kill a mother and her unborn baby should be be charged with two murders.  Not only that, the Death Penalty should be applied.  I cannot believe you are comparing these two very different scenarios. Are you suggesting that shooting and killing a pregnant woman and her unborn child should be legal? 😳😧😵‍💫
Title: Re: Why is killing an unborn child thru abortion is legal? Shooting one is not .
Post by: soflorattler on June 11, 2021, 03:07:58 PM
The same reason you won't compare anything to slavery is the same reason you shouldn't compare anything to IR.

Its untouchable.


Okay, I'm done. You are making absolutely no sense.



And, I thought that it was just me thinking that...