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Title: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: klg14 on March 26, 2021, 01:24:41 PM
See:
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2021/03/26/rutgers-will-require-covid-vaccine-students-fall
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: Strike79 on March 26, 2021, 01:41:10 PM
 :clap: :clap:..................Awesome!

I hope the bosses at my alma mater and other yards follow suit. It’s long since time to stop bullshyttin with this virus.
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: cee dog on March 26, 2021, 01:42:56 PM
Lawsuit coming. You can't infringe on people rights. If someone doesn't want to take how can you make them?
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: j1908 on March 26, 2021, 01:49:59 PM
^^^This is true. However, my daughter 2nd vaccine will be April 14th and she will have her black a-- back on campus in the Fall.
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: Strike79 on March 26, 2021, 01:52:22 PM
???^^^uhhh, cee dog, forgive me, but what right is being infringed upon? The “right” to walk around INFECTING people with a deadly virus. Government has the right to implement all types of EXTRAORDINARY measures in the interest of public safety.

In this instance, Rutgers is a public university. I’m fairly certain that the submission of proof of vaccination as a requirement for admission will pass constitutional muster. Folks residing in this country live in a “constitutional republic”. This ain’t early 19th century America in the Wild West where anything goes.   :shrug:
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: cee dog on March 26, 2021, 02:00:59 PM
What you are suggesting is no different from what the folks in the other party suggest. It will never become law. You can't make a person put something in their bodies they don't agree with. That is called communism. People have a right not to take a shot they don't feel is safe for them. Just like people have a right to take the shot. We gotta get out of the thought that just because I like it that means you have to like it. America is a free country. Which means if I support your right to take the shot you should support mines not to take it. If the democratic party supports this they will be destroyed in the next election.

???^^^uhhh, cee dog, forgive me, but what right is being infringed upon? The “right” to walk around INFECTING people with a deadly virus. Government has the right to implement all types of EXTRAORDINARY measures in the interest of public safety.

In this instance, Rutgers is a public university. I’m fairly certain that the submission of proof of vaccination as a requirement for admission will pass constitutional muster. Folks residing in this country live in a “constitutional republic”. This ain’t early 19th century America in the Wild West where anything goes.   :shrug:
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: Strike79 on March 26, 2021, 02:27:16 PM
*sigh*........ :no:
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: klg14 on March 26, 2021, 02:38:17 PM
People can transfer to another school.
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: cee dog on March 26, 2021, 02:41:19 PM
People can transfer to another school.

Funny white folks say the same thing when black people move in their neighborhoods. They can always find some where else to live.
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: Golden Kitten on March 26, 2021, 02:48:10 PM
People can transfer to another school.

This^^^ :nod:
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: Mosadi on March 26, 2021, 02:48:46 PM
Universities routinely require first-year students to have an up-to-date shot record either to complete enrollment or to live on campus.

Legal problems may arise from the type of authorization for the COVID-19 vaccines.  They were approved with an emergency use authorization rather than the standard authorization (which takes longer).  That's why military personnel are currently permitted to skip the COVID-19 vaccines, but cannot skip standard authorized vaccines.

Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: cee dog on March 26, 2021, 03:00:57 PM
American people have become sheep. Either you are far left or far right. Folks can't accept other people views any more. If you don't see it my way I'll just take my ball and go home. You have a right to take the shot. Others have a right not to take it. This is no different than what the idiots in Georgia legislative body just did. They lost the election so now they want to change the process. Where does it end?
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: klg14 on March 26, 2021, 03:04:11 PM
American people have become sheep. Either you are far left or far right. Folks can't accept other people views any more. If you don't see it my way I'll just take my ball and go home. You have a right to take the shot. Others have a right not to take it. This is no different than what the idiots in Georgia legislative body just did. They lost the election so now they want to change the process. Where does it end?

So, what do you suggest? Everyone has choices to do what's best for themselves.
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: cee dog on March 26, 2021, 03:08:30 PM
Not making people take a shot they don't agree with, and letting people who would like to have the shot take it. Isn't that the fair thing to do? Strike pointed out that Rutgers is a public university. Well folks who believe in taking the shot paid taxes to support the school. Folks who don't want to take the shot also paid taxes.

American people have become sheep. Either you are far left or far right. Folks can't accept other people views any more. If you don't see it my way I'll just take my ball and go home. You have a right to take the shot. Others have a right not to take it. This is no different than what the idiots in Georgia legislative body just did. They lost the election so now they want to change the process. Where does it end?

So, what do you suggest? Everyone has choices to do what's best for themselves.
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: klg14 on March 26, 2021, 03:12:50 PM
Not making people take a shot they don't agree with, and letting people who would like to have the shot take it. Isn't that the fair thing to do?

American people have become sheep. Either you are far left or far right. Folks can't accept other people views any more. If you don't see it my way I'll just take my ball and go home. You have a right to take the shot. Others have a right not to take it. This is no different than what the idiots in Georgia legislative body just did. They lost the election so now they want to change the process. Where does it end?

So, what do you suggest? Everyone has choices to do what's best for themselves.

Fair!!! Let me stop. We're not going to agree on this.  :no:
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: cee dog on March 26, 2021, 03:24:35 PM
An that's the beauty of living in a democracy. I respect your opinion. I'm definitely not saying you are wrong. I'm not saying that I'm correct either. I am just saying that folks have a right to their opinion and it should be respected. We've gotten away from that.

Not making people take a shot they don't agree with, and letting people who would like to have the shot take it. Isn't that the fair thing to do?

American people have become sheep. Either you are far left or far right. Folks can't accept other people views any more. If you don't see it my way I'll just take my ball and go home. You have a right to take the shot. Others have a right not to take it. This is no different than what the idiots in Georgia legislative body just did. They lost the election so now they want to change the process. Where does it end?

So, what do you suggest? Everyone has choices to do what's best for themselves.

Fair!!! Let me stop. We're not going to agree on this.  :no:
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: soflorattler on March 27, 2021, 04:57:54 AM
The bottomline- I don't have to allow you to come up in my house if you refuse to wash your funky behind. :nono2: Same principle apply.
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: Capler on March 27, 2021, 10:28:37 AM
The bottomline- I don't have to allow you to come up in my house if you refuse to wash your funky behind. :nono2: Same principle apply.

 :nod:

You can't make someone take a shot, but you can stop them from enrolling if that is your policy. School systems have been doing that for decades. Let little puppy cee dog go rolling up to school on the first day without his shots and see what happens? He is going to get sent back to the kennel.
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: soflorattler on March 27, 2021, 10:33:20 AM
^^^ People conveniently forget that it was a requirement for you as a child to have certain vaccinations before you were allowed to enroll in school. No one complained about rights being violated then.  :shrug:
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: Maroon and Gray on March 27, 2021, 01:14:57 PM
^^^ People conveniently forget that it was a requirement for you as a child to have certain vaccinations before you were allowed to enroll in school. No one complained about rights being violated then.  :shrug:

whew!  I remember.  Them needles HURT back then.  Was it the gauge of the needle or my puny little arm?   :tongue2: :lol:
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: soflorattler on March 27, 2021, 01:40:54 PM
^^^ People conveniently forget that it was a requirement for you as a child to have certain vaccinations before you were allowed to enroll in school. No one complained about rights being violated then.  :shrug:

whew!  I remember.  Them needles HURT back then.  Was it the gauge of the needle or my puny little arm?   :tongue2: :lol:

And I believe it was the polio shot that left a huge scab on your arm you can see until this day.
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: Golden Kitten on March 27, 2021, 02:03:49 PM
 :nod:
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: cee dog on March 27, 2021, 02:55:36 PM
Sorry this will not happen. Can't have it both ways. No one can make you take a shot. Get over it. This ain't the good ole days.
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: cee dog on March 27, 2021, 03:35:06 PM
Good thing we don't have a majority liberal supreme court on this one. I'll gladly support Mitch McConnell on this one.

The bottomline- I don't have to allow you to come up in my house if you refuse to wash your funky behind. :nono2: Same principle apply.

 :nod:

You can't make someone take a shot, but you can stop them from enrolling if that is your policy. School systems have been doing that for decades. Let little puppy cee dog go rolling up to school on the first day without his shots and see what happens? He is going to get sent back to the kennel.
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: cee dog on March 27, 2021, 03:36:12 PM
Who took a polo shot? Was that during the Tuskegee experiment days. No one I know took a polo shot. Also as a kid we took those shots because we didn't know any better. College is dealing with grown people with their own views. It will not happen. Can't wait for the lawsuits to start. Oh by the way one of my boys wife teaches at Rutgers. The lawyers on getting ready to get at it.....  You take that poison. Don't get mad because others don't want it. It's your right to take it. Let others have their rights.
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: WileECoyote06 on March 27, 2021, 03:41:05 PM
If you want to live on campus; unless you can get a waiver on religious or deep philosophical grounds; you have to be vaccinated.  Jobs can require you to get vaccinated as well.

If you're one of the students granted a waiver than most schools can have you expelled from on-campus housing or forcibly quarantined; if an outbreak occurs.  They have the same policies in place for other viral diseases.  I remember having to get my shot record updated before beginning at NCCU and again before being able to enroll in graduate school.

 
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: cee dog on March 27, 2021, 03:45:29 PM
Covid is not like other vaccines. Maybe years from now,but not with this unproven stuff out there. This is still a experimental drug. It will not happen. Even the military is not requiring at this moment. Don't worry let Joe, Chuck and Nancy ride with this. 2022 will be a blood bath.
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: cee dog on March 27, 2021, 04:14:56 PM
I don't get it. Why are both sides arguing over this. Have we really gotten away from being moderate? If you want to take the shot no one should be mad at you. If you don't want to take the shot no one should be mad at you. What's new? Every few years something comes along and folks have to make the decision what's best for them. Why are folks on either side mad at the other?
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: stephen on March 29, 2021, 07:14:36 PM
I am on the liberal side PERSONALLY, but I do see some challenges with state-supported institutions implementing such a policy.  They may overcome it, but I would not be surprised if there were a political dust-up of some kind. 

Private schools, have at it with little to no challenge.

As far as me and mine are concerned, my financial support comes with a vaccine requirement. I also support that vaccine passport idea. I'm not mad at the person who chooses not to vaccinate, though.  Just SMH...
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: punchy on March 29, 2021, 08:53:24 PM
I'm not mad at the person who don't take the vaccine, either. But I'm a diabetic with high blood pressure. If I catch covid-19, it just might take me out. So, I got my Pfizer vaccines, boffuvem, and other than a sore, tender arm, I'm as good as new.
That's an interesting concept Rutgers is implementing,,,,,,
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: iceman4221 on March 29, 2021, 10:47:24 PM
^^^This is true. However, my daughter 2nd vaccine will be April 14th and she will have her black a-- back on campus in the Fall.

You are not in the Military any longer Major/Colonel...  Stop treating your child like a subordinate... 

Oh wait a minute, you are her mother...  Carry on...

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Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: iceman4221 on March 29, 2021, 10:52:38 PM
I don't get it. Why are both sides arguing over this. Have we really gotten away from being moderate? If you want to take the shot no one should be mad at you. If you don't want to take the shot no one should be mad at you. What's new? Every few years something comes along and folks have to make the decision what's best for them. Why are folks on either side mad at the other?

They can enroll for online classes or attend another university that doesn't require the vaccine...  School Choice is the American Way...
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: cee dog on March 30, 2021, 06:04:39 AM
Public not private. We shall see. Like I said many will support the Republican party on this. It is what it is. Just saying

I don't get it. Why are both sides arguing over this. Have we really gotten away from being moderate? If you want to take the shot no one should be mad at you. If you don't want to take the shot no one should be mad at you. What's new? Every few years something comes along and folks have to make the decision what's best for them. Why are folks on either side mad at the other?

They can enroll for online classes or attend another university that doesn't require the vaccine...  School Choice is the American Way...
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: cee dog on March 30, 2021, 08:23:47 AM
Vaccine passport? You don't travel outside America do you? I tell you what go to Israel with your Vaccine passport and make sure you take your personal cellphone and Laptop......... I guarantee you that will get a rude awakening... . This dude said vaccine passport  :lmao: Dude we take burner phones to those places. Only a fool will support this. Let me give you a hint. In certain countries they bug their rooms and steal your personal information. Especially if you are a American. Don't think because you're black you aren't a target. You are an American citizen. They will have your information quickly.

I am on the liberal side PERSONALLY, but I do see some challenges with state-supported institutions implementing such a policy.  They may overcome it, but I would not be surprised if there were a political dust-up of some kind. 

Private schools, have at it with little to no challenge.

As far as me and mine are concerned, my financial support comes with a vaccine requirement. I also support that vaccine passport idea. I'm not mad at the person who chooses not to vaccinate, though.  Just SMH...
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: j1908 on March 30, 2021, 08:35:01 AM
^^^This is true. However, my daughter 2nd vaccine will be April 14th and she will have her black a-- back on campus in the Fall.

You are not in the Military any longer Major/Colonel...  Stop treating your child like a subordinate... 

Oh wait a minute, you are her mother...  Carry on...

 :lol: Naw, I just want her to least enjoy her Senior yr.

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Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: soflorattler on March 30, 2021, 09:05:37 AM
Especially if you are a American. Don't think because you're black you aren't a target. You are an American citizen. They will have your information quickly.



Bruh! Believe me. They already have your personal information. If you've ever given your information to a doctor's office or any place where they scan your identification and they used a copier to scan your info, that copier with the hard drives intact have been shipped overseas, and your information harvested off of those HDs. I'm not sure that they extract the HDs from copiers before shipping today, but in the past, they didn't. Containers full of HDs would be shipped out of our ports.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/digital-photocopiers-loaded-with-secrets/
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: Capler on March 30, 2021, 09:13:01 AM
Vaccine passport? You don't travel outside America do you? I tell you what go to Israel with your Vaccine passport and make sure you take your personal cellphone and Laptop......... I guarantee you that will get a rude awakening... . This dude said vaccine passport  :lmao: Dude we take burner phones to those places. Only a fool will support this. Let me give you a hint. In certain countries they bug their rooms and steal your personal information. Especially if you are a American. Don't think because you're black you aren't a target. You are an American citizen. They will have your information quickly.

I am on the liberal side PERSONALLY, but I do see some challenges with state-supported institutions implementing such a policy.  They may overcome it, but I would not be surprised if there were a political dust-up of some kind. 

Private schools, have at it with little to no challenge.

As far as me and mine are concerned, my financial support comes with a vaccine requirement. I also support that vaccine passport idea. I'm not mad at the person who chooses not to vaccinate, though.  Just SMH...

Israel is fully vaccinated. So if there were a vaccination passport, they would likely be the first to require it.  Why would they let stupid Americans come over and put them at risk with some variant we developed?  dog, what would a lawsuit be based on? If we don't get this thing under control in short order, there will be laws placed on the book to force the issue.
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: stephen on March 30, 2021, 09:34:19 AM


...If we don't get this thing under control in short order, there will be laws placed on the book to force the issue.
[/quote]

I agree with Capler that America has done a poor job of getting the virus under control.  And I'd like to see us make hard choices for the greater good before we are forced into them.  I don't want a law so, if the science tells me that vaccination reduces my risk (like wearing a mask)I will follow suit. I am fully vaccinated and won't lose sleep over what my neighbor does but I WILL be there to say "I toldja so" if any of the more draconian ideas (i.e., laws, entrance restrictions, mobility limitations, etc) take hold.  And if they don't, then great, perhaps we have survived a modern pandemic...
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: Bearforlife on March 30, 2021, 09:39:04 AM
When you go to college you have to show your vaccination record of the following:

MMR
Meningitis
Tetnus
Chickenpox
TDap
And many others...
You also have to have had a tuberculosis test within a certain time frame. Most of these are also required to attend public school. So...this is just another vaccination that's required to attend a public school.
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: cee dog on March 30, 2021, 09:44:10 AM
CBS morning news reported that Rutgers will allow religious and medical waivers. Guess why? You can't force folks to take this. it will not happen. Many people will file religion and medical waivers. Just saying.
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: cee dog on March 30, 2021, 09:52:09 AM
Ok. Unfortunately I can't say what I want about these passports so I'll leave it alone. Believe me I know. what you see in movies I live. I seriously hope you don't believe this just came out of the air. It didn't. As for the lawsuits Rutgers have covered themselves. This is why they said religion and medical waivers. You can't force folks to take a vaccine. All schools give waivers. Why do you think they do that? Many of college students Have not taken all those vaccines. This is America. You can't force it. It will not happen. Yes they will have it on the books with exceptions. Why are those exceptions listed? Always read the fine print.
Vaccine passport? You don't travel outside America do you? I tell you what go to Israel with your Vaccine passport and make sure you take your personal cellphone and Laptop......... I guarantee you that will get a rude awakening... . This dude said vaccine passport  :lmao: Dude we take burner phones to those places. Only a fool will support this. Let me give you a hint. In certain countries they bug their rooms and steal your personal information. Especially if you are a American. Don't think because you're black you aren't a target. You are an American citizen. They will have your information quickly.

I am on the liberal side PERSONALLY, but I do see some challenges with state-supported institutions implementing such a policy.  They may overcome it, but I would not be surprised if there were a political dust-up of some kind. 

Private schools, have at it with little to no challenge.

As far as me and mine are concerned, my financial support comes with a vaccine requirement. I also support that vaccine passport idea. I'm not mad at the person who chooses not to vaccinate, though.  Just SMH...

Israel is fully vaccinated. So if there were a vaccination passport, they would likely be the first to require it.  Why would they let stupid Americans come over and put them at risk with some variant we developed?  dog, what would a lawsuit be based on? If we don't get this thing under control in short order, there will be laws placed on the book to force the issue.
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: cee dog on March 30, 2021, 09:59:56 AM
The percentage of black people under 55 voted for the Republican party. Let Joe force this and see how those numbers rise. I can see this being a requirement given over time, but you can't force an experimental drug on people. Just like we don't know what this virus will do to people who had it five years from now we don't know what those drugs will do to the body either.
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: cee dog on March 30, 2021, 10:05:20 AM
If you take a dump on the toilet in Israel they know. Swipe up under the toilet on the back and you'll find what I'm saying. I've seen it with my own eyes. Just saying.. 

Especially if you are a American. Don't think because you're black you aren't a target. You are an American citizen. They will have your information quickly.



Bruh! Believe me. They already have your personal information. If you've ever given your information to a doctor's office or any place where they scan your identification and they used a copier to scan your info, that copier with the hard drives intact have been shipped overseas, and your information harvested off of those HDs. I'm not sure that they extract the HDs from copiers before shipping today, but in the past, they didn't. Containers full of HDs would be shipped out of our ports.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/digital-photocopiers-loaded-with-secrets/
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: WileECoyote06 on March 30, 2021, 11:30:22 AM
The percentage of black people under 55 voted for the Republican party. Let Joe force this and see how those numbers rise. I can see this being a requirement given over time, but you can't force an experimental drug on people. Just like we don't know what this virus will do to people who had it five years from now we don't know what those drugs will do to the body either.

Slippery slope.   :shrug:
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: cee dog on March 30, 2021, 01:43:14 PM
Why should they support folks who don't support them? Just saying.

The percentage of black people under 55 voted for the Republican party. Let Joe force this and see how those numbers rise. I can see this being a requirement given over time, but you can't force an experimental drug on people. Just like we don't know what this virus will do to people who had it five years from now we don't know what those drugs will do to the body either.

Slippery slope.   :shrug:
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: Capler on March 30, 2021, 05:13:02 PM
CBS morning news reported that Rutgers will allow religious and medical waivers. Guess why? You can't force folks to take this. it will not happen. Many people will file religion and medical waivers. Just saying.

dog, there has always been waivers for vaccinations. Bears listed what is required to attend public school, -it is the law. But at the same time, parents can apply for waivers. I expect the same with Covid if it becomes a law. Here is the fly in the butter milk, only the real zealous anti- vaxers go through the trouble to apply waivers.  The rest of us just take the shot. Fact, if 50 million people took a shot and 2 died from it, it is exceptionally safe. Those two people had something really wonky going on in their lives. People need to get over themselves, the numbers don't lie.
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: cee dog on March 30, 2021, 09:52:27 PM
Capler prove me wrong. You got vaccinations for chicken pox still caught it. Got vaccinations for measles still caught it. Got vaccinations for mumps still caught it. Oh yeah folks who got vaccinations for Covid-19 still catching. So what were you saying

CBS morning news reported that Rutgers will allow religious and medical waivers. Guess why? You can't force folks to take this. it will not happen. Many people will file religion and medical waivers. Just saying.

dog, there has always been waivers for vaccinations. Bears listed what is required to attend public school, -it is the law. But at the same time, parents can apply for waivers. I expect the same with Covid if it becomes a law. Here is the fly in the butter milk, only the real zealous anti- vaxers go through the trouble to apply waivers.  The rest of us just take the shot. Fact, if 50 million people took a shot and 2 died from it, it is exceptionally safe. Those two people had something really wonky going on in their lives. People need to get over themselves, the numbers don't lie.
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: Capler on March 30, 2021, 11:06:13 PM
dog, why are you willing to die on this hill for this particular cause?  :shrug:
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: cee dog on March 30, 2021, 11:48:34 PM
dog, why are you willing to die on this hill for this particular cause?  :shrug:

I didn't say I was against the shot. I said I was not for making folks who don't want to take it having to take it. The problem is black folks hear and read what they want to, and if you present a different view they get emotional. The first law of the land is self preservation. If a person feels as though the shot is not safe they should not be made to take it. Bottom line. Personal emotions are for the weak. Black people can't accept people who think differently from them. That is close minded and a pack mentality.
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: Jay_Thomas on March 31, 2021, 09:01:02 AM
Black people can't accept people who think differently from them. That is close minded and a pack mentality.


You dang sure told the truth right there!
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: westcoastaggie on March 31, 2021, 09:08:48 AM
When you go to college you have to show your vaccination record of the following:

MMR
Meningitis
Tetnus
Chickenpox
TDap
And many others...
You also have to have had a tuberculosis test within a certain time frame. Most of these are also required to attend public school. So...this is just another vaccination that's required to attend a public school.

I also had to get a shot for mono back in 2004. I'm fairly confident most colleges and K-12 schools will "strongly recommend" the Covid Vax before allowing students to participate in in-person instruction this Fall.
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: Maroon and Gray on March 31, 2021, 09:17:01 AM
 Black people specifically don't hold a patent on not accepting people who think differently. 

It's probably true of every racial identity.
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: Capler on March 31, 2021, 09:55:56 AM
This is why the shot will eventually become mandatory before kids can enter school.

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Pfizer/BioNTech says its Covid-19 vaccine is 100% effective and well tolerated in adolescents
Clinical trial results of Pfizer/BioNTech's Covid-19 vaccine showed its efficacy is 100% and it is well tolerated in youths ages 12 to 15, the companies said Wednesday.

Pfizer/BioNTech plan to submit the data to the US Food and Drug Administration as soon as possible for expanded emergency use authorization of the two-dose vaccine.

In a Phase 3 trial of 2,260 participants ages 12 to 15 in the US, the vaccine elicited strong antibody responses one month after the second dose -- exceeding those demonstrated in people ages 16 to 25 in previous trials, Pfizer reported. The vaccine is currently authorized in the US for emergency use in people 16 and older.
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: cee dog on March 31, 2021, 10:13:01 AM
The problem is a black forum. With black people who got issues with black people not accepting their beliefs.

Black people specifically don't hold a patent on not accepting people who think differently. 

It's probably true of every racial identity.
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: Capler on March 31, 2021, 10:13:45 AM
dog, why are you willing to die on this hill for this particular cause?  :shrug:

I didn't say I was against the shot. I said I was not for making folks who don't want to take it having to take it. The problem is black folks hear and read what they want to, and if you present a different view they get emotional. The first law of the land is self preservation. If a person feels as though the shot is not safe they should not be made to take it. Bottom line. Personal emotions are for the weak. Black people can't accept people who think differently from them. That is close minded and a pack mentality.

dog, the position you are taking is that of Republicans. It is also the same argument  racist, and bigots have taken to justify their beliefs. Individual rights, states rights, free speech, bear arms...

Just because an individual wants to do something does not mean it is best for the entire community. Just because a majority vote for a certain measure does not make it the correct and just position. Humanity is littered with bad decisions made by the majority.   

If research shows that a vaccination protects the entire population, individual holdouts should not be allowed to participate in the community at large. They are risk to all of us. They should not be allowed in schools, stores, work places....

I don't get why we think we are so freaking important as individuals? It is not about one, it is about the whole. Quoting that infamous scholar who goes by the name of JT on Onnidan, from a biological point of view, "what you eat does make me sh!t."
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: cee dog on March 31, 2021, 10:18:41 AM
So let me get this correct, because I don't share your view points you are now telling me what I'm thinking? You just proved my point. Your thought process is more of a European decent because you can not accept what a individual believes is best for him. Only followers do something because of what they think is right based on the perception of others. You have to do what is right for you, and others have to do what is right for them. If a individual believes that something is not good for his or her body they must do what is correct for them. Not what the masses believe in. You can't tell another person what is good for their bodies. Doctors are not God nor science. They experiment just like everyone else.

dog, why are you willing to die on this hill for this particular cause?  :shrug:

I didn't say I was against the shot. I said I was not for making folks who don't want to take it having to take it. The problem is black folks hear and read what they want to, and if you present a different view they get emotional. The first law of the land is self preservation. If a person feels as though the shot is not safe they should not be made to take it. Bottom line. Personal emotions are for the weak. Black people can't accept people who think differently from them. That is close minded and a pack mentality.

dog, the position you are taking is that of Republicans. It is also the same argument  racist, and bigots have taken to justify their beliefs. Individual rights, states rights, free speech, bear arms...

Just because an individual wants to do something does not mean it is best for the entire community. Just because a majority vote for a certain measure does not make it the correct and just position. Humanity is littered with bad decisions made by the majority.   

If research shows that a vaccination protects the entire population, individual holdouts should not be allowed to participate in the community at large. They are risk to all of us. They should not be allowed in schools, stores, work places....

I don't get why we think we are so freaking important as individuals? It is not about one, it is about the whole. Quoting that infamous scholar who goes by the name of JT on Onnidan, from a biological point of view, "what you eat does make me sh!t."
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: cee dog on March 31, 2021, 10:24:07 AM
Notice you said eventually. That is the point I have been making since the beginning. If a person feels that the shot at this moment is not best for them they shouldn't be made to take it. Bottom line. There is a reason the government is letting the corporate America side take the lead on Vaccine passports. Individual rights and beliefs.

This is why the shot will eventually become mandatory before kids can enter school.

Quote
Pfizer/BioNTech says its Covid-19 vaccine is 100% effective and well tolerated in adolescents
Clinical trial results of Pfizer/BioNTech's Covid-19 vaccine showed its efficacy is 100% and it is well tolerated in youths ages 12 to 15, the companies said Wednesday.

Pfizer/BioNTech plan to submit the data to the US Food and Drug Administration as soon as possible for expanded emergency use authorization of the two-dose vaccine.

In a Phase 3 trial of 2,260 participants ages 12 to 15 in the US, the vaccine elicited strong antibody responses one month after the second dose -- exceeding those demonstrated in people ages 16 to 25 in previous trials, Pfizer reported. The vaccine is currently authorized in the US for emergency use in people 16 and older.
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: Capler on March 31, 2021, 10:31:09 AM
I do accept your position 100%. I don't feel you or anyone else should be forced to put something in their body they are not comfortable with.  BUT, if your decision runs contrary to science, and puts the larger community at risk, you should be barred from participating in activities with the rest of the community.

i'm going through this with my mother right now. She is beginning to waste in old age, but refuses to go to the doctor. I told her that is fine, and it is her right, but in no certain terms  will she lay around sick and pull me and the rest of the family into an early grave with her.
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: westcoastaggie on March 31, 2021, 10:36:42 AM
This is why the shot will eventually become mandatory before kids can enter school.

Quote
Pfizer/BioNTech says its Covid-19 vaccine is 100% effective and well tolerated in adolescents
Clinical trial results of Pfizer/BioNTech's Covid-19 vaccine showed its efficacy is 100% and it is well tolerated in youths ages 12 to 15, the companies said Wednesday.

Pfizer/BioNTech plan to submit the data to the US Food and Drug Administration as soon as possible for expanded emergency use authorization of the two-dose vaccine.

In a Phase 3 trial of 2,260 participants ages 12 to 15 in the US, the vaccine elicited strong antibody responses one month after the second dose -- exceeding those demonstrated in people ages 16 to 25 in previous trials, Pfizer reported. The vaccine is currently authorized in the US for emergency use in people 16 and older.

Personally, I am perfectly okay with this as I do not feel the rights of my family are being compromised.

Also, there are Supreme Court precedents in place that date back to past pandemics. This means vaccinations can be made mandatory by public entities.

BTW: Noone wants to be the catalyst for a zombie apocalypse.
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: cee dog on March 31, 2021, 11:05:09 AM
Yet I am supposed to be willing to pay high insurance rates for people with diabetes, hypertension and other illnesses who don't eat right, workout or take care of themselves? Do you realize that if I am not selfish enough and be willing to support those people should not those same people be willing to support me if I choose not to take a vaccine? By the way thank you for having a great conversation. Many people can't do that. You do it well. You left the emotional side out of it and presented a understandable view. Most people love throwing God and quotes from the bible into a conversation not realizing they're being hypocrites of the word they so call love. Ninety nine of the so called Christian people don't understand the bible. They just use quotes to try and control.

I do accept your position 100%. I don't feel you or anyone else should be forced to put something in their body they are not comfortable with.  BUT, if your decision runs contrary to science, and puts the larger community at risk, you should be barred from participating in activities with the rest of the community.

i'm going through this with my mother right now. She is beginning to waste in old age, but refuses to go to the doctor. I told her that is fine, and it is her right, but in no certain terms  will she lay around sick and pull me and the rest of the family into an early grave with her.
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: Capler on March 31, 2021, 11:08:23 AM
Quote
BTW: No one wants to be the catalyst for a zombie apocalypse.

Is that anything like a Zombie-nado?
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: Capler on March 31, 2021, 11:13:14 AM
Yes dog they should, but if only you are willing to wear a space suit when you come around so you will not give the rest of us your cooties.

This is the part of the play where j decided she would cancel me, so if you decide to go that route, I fully understand.  :hugs:
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: cee dog on March 31, 2021, 12:26:18 PM
Critical thinking is important. Most people can't do that without making it personal. Aye Capler I've never tried to be in the clique group. I'm a individual thinker. Being Kool and having people like me means nothing. That's why in the streets they always send your so called best friend to kill you. This is why they say keep your enemies close, but your friends closer. In other words watch your enemies, but be ready when that mofo sitting with you doing dirt comes to put a bullet between your head. Look up the statistics on who commits murder. Most of those committed are by friends or family. Usually someone close to the person. Random murders rarely just happens. It's always personal. Not business. Don't believe the hype.


Yes dog they should, but if only you are willing to wear a space suit when you come around so you will not give the rest of us your cooties.

This is the part of the play where j decided she would cancel me, so if you decide to go that route, I fully understand.  :hugs:
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: Wildman78 on March 31, 2021, 12:45:37 PM
Dorit Rubinstein Reiss, a professor at the University of California Hastings College of the Law who studies laws related to vaccines, said she believes Rutgers is on solid ground in requiring a COVID-19 vaccine. But she noted two caveats.

“The wrinkle right now is right now the vaccines are still under EUA, and the other wrinkle is access. But they’re not requiring it tomorrow; they’re requiring it for the fall,” Reiss said.

She added that there is at least a chance one or more vaccines will be fully approved by the FDA by the fall.
“And even if not, although there's not legal certainty, universities have a plausible argument that it’s legal to mandate a vaccine under an EUA,” Reiss said.

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Tony Yang, a professor of health policy and management at George Washington University, in Washington, D.C., said it would be helpful for the federal government “to provide some kind of clear guidance on this particular issue. The federal government should clarify EUA versus full approval does not matter for mandating vaccinations,” he said.

In any case, Yang agrees with Reiss that Rutgers is likely on solid legal ground.

“I think they’re comfortable with the legal authority supporting this policy, and I think they are totally right,” Yang said. “Colleges and universities do routinely require vaccines, such as MMR [measles, mumps and rubella], chickenpox. I don’t see why the COVID-19 vaccine would not be put within the same category. Under the existing federal statutes and case law, colleges and universities have a broad discretion to require vaccination as a condition of a full return to campus.”

Peter Lake, the Charles A. Dana Chair and director of the Center for Excellence in Higher Education Law and Policy at Stetson University in Florida, said colleges will have to recognize potential exemptions.

"Obviously, there’s disability law that’s applicable. Public schools may have some issues with religious exemptions. But broadly speaking, unless there’s a major change in precedent, it’s not unheard-of to have required vaccinations," he said.

"I think we’re likely to see that persist," he continued. "I think the harder thing is what kind of penalties are imposed. That's going to be tricky, especially with open campus life. We have controlled access with a lot of K-12, but with open campuses, that is much trickier to police the boundaries of that."

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2021/03/26/rutgers-will-require-covid-vaccine-students-fall
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: soflorattler on March 31, 2021, 06:04:25 PM
If I understand Cee Dog's position correctly (correct me if I'm wrong), it's the university requiring students to ingest a vaccine that he feels hasn't been fully vetted by the science community. Vaccines that have been administered in the past went through years of trials before they were approved for public consumption. The COVID-19 vaccine(s) were on vetted for months before approval. Now, the science community is saying that the methodologies used to develop this vaccine are more advanced and the vetting time is not as lengthy as it was in the old days. Therein lies the mistrust. So, it would be wrong to force people to introduce a vaccine in to their bodies that hasn't gone through the traditional process of vetting. That's my nickel's worth...
Title: Re: Rutgers University Will Require Students to Get Vaccine to Enroll in the Fall
Post by: cee dog on March 31, 2021, 06:40:07 PM
Thank you. That's all I was saying. I'm not saying don't take it. I also agree that if found to be safe it should be required, don't require something that hasn't been proven yet.

If I understand Cee Dog's position correctly (correct me if I'm wrong), it's the university requiring students to ingest a vaccine that he feels hasn't been fully vetted by the science community. Vaccines that have been administered in the past went through years of trials before they were approved for public consumption. The COVID-19 vaccine(s) were on vetted for months before approval. Now, the science community is saying that the methodologies used to develop this vaccine are more advanced and the vetting time is not as lengthy as it was in the old days. Therein lies the mistrust. So, it would be wrong to force people to introduce a vaccine in to their bodies that hasn't gone through the traditional process of vetting. That's my nickel's worth...