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Title: The Rise of Jerry Mack illustrates difficulty of keeping HBCU coaching talent
Post by: klg14 on February 17, 2021, 10:35:15 AM
North Carolina Central saw something in young Jerry Mack that paid off. The other side to the coin is that keeping a coach like him is nearly impossible for HBCUs.
https://hbcugameday.com/2021/02/16/the-rise-of-jerry-mack-illustrates-difficulty-of-keeping-hbcu-coaching-talent/
Title: Re: The Rise of Jerry Mack illustrates difficulty of keeping HBCU coaching talent
Post by: y04185 on February 17, 2021, 10:52:20 AM
You get what you pay for. 
Title: Re: The Rise of Jerry Mack illustrates difficulty of keeping HBCU coaching talent
Post by: JBROB on February 17, 2021, 12:05:37 PM
It all depends on what a coach is looking for.

Also some coaches have other revenue streams at the HBCU level. The need to negotiate a favorable contract.
Title: Re: The Rise of Jerry Mack illustrates difficulty of keeping HBCU coaching talent
Post by: Ram55 on February 17, 2021, 12:47:39 PM
News flash... Most, if not all very young coaches if successful at a small school, is going to leave for a better, bigger school/job. Money talks. Some of us on this forum confuse having a good coach with having a good program. Mack said that NCCU had a good program then, allowing him to leave... but they didn't. Coach Maynor, while at WSSU, said the same thing and we feel like rocks in a pond when he left. Very few, if any, HBCUs have good programs. That require money and prestige, both of which we don't have. We just try and hang on to good coaches and then call our programs good. We should expect to lose good coaches at some point.
Title: Re: The Rise of Jerry Mack illustrates difficulty of keeping HBCU coaching talent
Post by: Thinkingaboutit on February 18, 2021, 09:35:19 AM
Jerry Mack stays nowhere long.   NCCU , his longest tenure in coaching was a walk into goldmine handed to him by the AD and all he need do was throw the ball on the practice field and keep it in order.  Therein he is credited.  You win with talent and NCCU was replete from sound recruiting at each position that was there when he came on the scene.     The coach that preceded him had done a helluva job BUILDING that  program he inherited.  He walked in winning without a change in roster- horses already in the stable.  When the prior coaches players moved on through graduation etc, Mack saw the handwriting on the wall, knowing he had not replaced those thoroughbreds  it was time for his usual , SCAT  moving  before the rent was due.   Didn't expect  he would stay at Rice University long- A doormat, a head coach carousel ride   in a tough conference.   But a big part of  coaching is knowing when to leave.  That he has GOT.  If I found myself in that situation and knowing the hammer would come down soon I'd leave too. 
Title: Re: The Rise of Jerry Mack illustrates difficulty of keeping HBCU coaching talent
Post by: Maroon and Gray on February 18, 2021, 10:22:40 AM
I think the author of the HBCU Gameday article should talk to Thinkingaboutit.

Being a nomad isn't worthy of a special article.
Title: Re: The Rise of Jerry Mack illustrates difficulty of keeping HBCU coaching talent
Post by: y04185 on February 18, 2021, 10:56:41 AM
News flash... Most, if not all very young coaches if successful at a small school, is going to leave for a better, bigger school/job. Money talks. Some of us on this forum confuse having a good coach with having a good program. Mack said that NCCU had a good program then, allowing him to leave... but they didn't. Coach Maynor, while at WSSU, said the same thing and we feel like rocks in a pond when he left. Very few, if any, HBCUs have good programs. That require money and prestige, both of which we don't have. We just try and hang on to good coaches and then call our programs good. We should expect to lose good coaches at some point.

HBCUs need to follow the VCU model.  They have had a coaching carousel.  They have prepared for the departure of head coaches.  They haven't skipped a beat. 
Title: Re: The Rise of Jerry Mack illustrates difficulty of keeping HBCU coaching talent
Post by: BisonBlu on February 18, 2021, 11:44:09 AM
News flash... Most, if not all very young coaches if successful at a small school, is going to leave for a better, bigger school/job. Money talks. Some of us on this forum confuse having a good coach with having a good program. Mack said that NCCU had a good program then, allowing him to leave... but they didn't. Coach Maynor, while at WSSU, said the same thing and we feel like rocks in a pond when he left. Very few, if any, HBCUs have good programs. That require money and prestige, both of which we don't have. We just try and hang on to good coaches and then call our programs good. We should expect to lose good coaches at some point.

HBCUs need to follow the VCU model.  They have had a coaching carousel.  They have prepared for the departure of head coaches.  They haven't skipped a beat.

VCU is well supported by the local community and has way less overhead without football. Very few HBCU's have the community, alumni and financial support that a school like VCU has.  NCAT, Southern, FAMU & J-State(both under new leadership) all seem to have all these boxes checked.
Title: Re: The Rise of Jerry Mack illustrates difficulty of keeping HBCU coaching talent
Post by: Professor on February 18, 2021, 03:48:45 PM
Jerry Mack is doing exactly what he needs to do to become a FBS head coach. He is climbing the ranks.

HBCUs are always going to have a hard time keeping young talent because of money. We don't have the resources to pay what these FBS assistants are making.

The best way to survive is to create a culture such as NDSU in football and VCU in basketball. And hire top quality assistants who grow and learn and then one day are ready to take the HC job
Title: Re: The Rise of Jerry Mack illustrates difficulty of keeping HBCU coaching talent
Post by: y04185 on February 18, 2021, 03:50:00 PM
News flash... Most, if not all very young coaches if successful at a small school, is going to leave for a better, bigger school/job. Money talks. Some of us on this forum confuse having a good coach with having a good program. Mack said that NCCU had a good program then, allowing him to leave... but they didn't. Coach Maynor, while at WSSU, said the same thing and we feel like rocks in a pond when he left. Very few, if any, HBCUs have good programs. That require money and prestige, both of which we don't have. We just try and hang on to good coaches and then call our programs good. We should expect to lose good coaches at some point.

HBCUs need to follow the VCU model.  They have had a coaching carousel.  They have prepared for the departure of head coaches.  They haven't skipped a beat.

VCU is well supported by the local community and has way less overhead without football. Very few HBCU's have the community, alumni and financial support that a school like VCU has.  NCAT, Southern, FAMU & J-State(both under new leadership) all seem to have all these boxes checked.

VCU has a program for coaches.  They only hire coaches who have been through their program.  They already know the coach and the coach knows the school.  The program doesn't suffer when a coach leaves. 
Title: Re: The Rise of Jerry Mack illustrates difficulty of keeping HBCU coaching talent
Post by: DRUMMA1 on February 18, 2021, 04:35:42 PM
Sounds like an FCS problem more than an HBCU problem.
Title: Re: The Rise of Jerry Mack illustrates difficulty of keeping HBCU coaching talent
Post by: The Sloping Hills and Verdent Green on February 18, 2021, 04:38:05 PM
He walked in winning without a change in roster- horses already in the stable.  When the prior coaches players moved on through graduation etc, Mack saw the handwriting on the wall, knowing he had not replaced those thoroughbreds  it was time for his usual , SCAT  moving  before the rent was due.   

You all act like Coach Mack did not recruit any good players at all.  Several starters on that 2016 MEAC CHAMPIONSHIP team were recruited by Coach Mack.  Our recruiting classes were always rated in the top 5 among HBCUs.  We lost a lot of seniors from the 2016 team.  We were very young in 2017.  Granville Eastman was not head coach material in 2018.  He wore many many hats as HC, DC, DB coach, etc.
Title: Re: The Rise of Jerry Mack illustrates difficulty of keeping HBCU coaching talent
Post by: Professor on February 18, 2021, 05:08:01 PM
He walked in winning without a change in roster- horses already in the stable.  When the prior coaches players moved on through graduation etc, Mack saw the handwriting on the wall, knowing he had not replaced those thoroughbreds  it was time for his usual , SCAT  moving  before the rent was due.   

You all act like Coach Mack did not recruit any good players at all.  Several starters on that 2016 MEAC CHAMPIONSHIP team were recruited by Coach Mack.  Our recruiting classes were always rated in the top 5 among HBCUs.  We lost a lot of seniors from the 2016 team.  We were very young in 2017.  Granville Eastman was not head coach material in 2018.  He wore many many hats as HC, DC, DB coach, etc.

But his 1st class that would have been freshman in 2015 and graduated in 19 haven't produced the same results as when he was there

2017 7-4
2018 5-6
2019 4-8
Title: Re: The Rise of Jerry Mack illustrates difficulty of keeping HBCU coaching talent
Post by: ALMIGHTY on February 18, 2021, 05:49:43 PM
Sounds like an FCS problem more than an HBCU problem.
Exactly!

Talented coaches at fcs pwcs leave far more often than our talented coaches. Hell coaches leave the group of 5 pwcs for the P5 all the time.

Talented coaches are suppose to luck for challenges.

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Title: Re: The Rise of Jerry Mack illustrates difficulty of keeping HBCU coaching talent
Post by: ‘87 Alum on February 18, 2021, 06:38:52 PM
I bet he caught hell growing up coz I know some fools would yell this to him on the playground....

Lil Jerry Mack Mack Mack
All dressed in black, black, black
With silver buttons, buttons, buttons
All down his back, back, back.

He asked his mother, mother, mother
For 50 cents, cents, cents
To see the elephants, elephants, elephants
Jump over the fence, fence, fence.

They jumped so high, high, high
They reached the sky, sky, sky
And they didn’t come back, back, back
‘Til the 4th of July, ly, ly!
Title: Re: The Rise of Jerry Mack illustrates difficulty of keeping HBCU coaching talent
Post by: The Sloping Hills and Verdent Green on February 19, 2021, 04:19:56 PM
He walked in winning without a change in roster- horses already in the stable.  When the prior coaches players moved on through graduation etc, Mack saw the handwriting on the wall, knowing he had not replaced those thoroughbreds  it was time for his usual , SCAT  moving  before the rent was due.   

You all act like Coach Mack did not recruit any good players at all.  Several starters on that 2016 MEAC CHAMPIONSHIP team were recruited by Coach Mack.  Our recruiting classes were always rated in the top 5 among HBCUs.  We lost a lot of seniors from the 2016 team.  We were very young in 2017.  Granville Eastman was not head coach material in 2018.  He wore many many hats as HC, DC, DB coach, etc.

But his 1st class that would have been freshman in 2015 and graduated in 19 haven't produced the same results as when he was there

2017 7-4
2018 5-6
2019 4-8

Mr. I Think I Know Everything,  ::)   ::)   :shrug:

Coach Mack's first recruiting class came in 2014.  He brought in freshmen, Div I transfers, and JUCOs.  He added onto what Henry Frazier had brought in.
Title: Re: The Rise of Jerry Mack illustrates difficulty of keeping HBCU coaching talent
Post by: 412coachque on February 19, 2021, 04:38:55 PM
To keep Black intellectual capital in HBCU Football identify early and let coaches grow and climb. Eagle Pride !!!
Title: Re: The Rise of Jerry Mack illustrates difficulty of keeping HBCU coaching talent
Post by: Ram55 on February 19, 2021, 06:32:48 PM
He walked in winning without a change in roster- horses already in the stable.  When the prior coaches players moved on through graduation etc, Mack saw the handwriting on the wall, knowing he had not replaced those thoroughbreds  it was time for his usual , SCAT  moving  before the rent was due.   

You all act like Coach Mack did not recruit any good players at all.  Several starters on that 2016 MEAC CHAMPIONSHIP team were recruited by Coach Mack.  Our recruiting classes were always rated in the top 5 among HBCUs.  We lost a lot of seniors from the 2016 team.  We were very young in 2017.  Granville Eastman was not head coach material in 2018.  He wore many many hats as HC, DC, DB coach, etc.

I agree, coach Mack was an excellent coach. He won and won big. If he remained at Central they would still be winning. HBCUs and other small schools don't have the money to have "good programs ". We sometimes get good coaches but our programs suck. Both coaches, Mack and Maynor, are proving that. When WSSU was winning we just had good coaches that was given an unusual amount of money. Money we couldn't sustain. So we feel of a cliff. None of us have good programs.