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Title: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Decks on November 23, 2020, 11:16:54 AM

Aggies, Rams to Renew Football Series


https://ncataggies.com//news/2020/11/23/aggies-rams-to-renew-their-football-series.aspx
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Professor on November 23, 2020, 11:19:20 AM
Been waiting on this to drop. Early Christmas gift for WSSU.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Warpaint on November 23, 2020, 11:44:14 AM
Let some of y'all Aggies tell it on this board this game was never going to happen again.  I guess with the move to the Big South you had to get a game back on the schedule your fans actually want to see.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Professor on November 23, 2020, 11:49:32 AM
Let some of y'all Aggies tell it on this board this game was never going to happen again.  I guess with the move to the Big South you had to get a game back on the schedule your fans actually want to see.

WSSU has new athletic leadership and agreed to the demands. The WSSU AD quote says it all

This is a tremendous opportunity to renew a historic rivalry, the Battle of I-40, during this anniversary year at NCAT's Truist Stadium," said WSSU Director Athletics Etienne Thomas. "Thanks to the vision and leadership at both schools we will be able to provide our fans with a phenomenal event. Fans of both institutions will get a chance to renew one of the great rivalries in college football.  We are excited that Chancellor Martin, Athletics Director Earl Hinton and Coach Washington thought of WSSU for inclusion in this celebration.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Ram55 on November 23, 2020, 11:59:41 AM
This is big.

I also read that A&T was very close to becoming an R1 university. This puts them in position to outgrow the Big South when it comes to prestige in only a few years. Only three schools in our state have the R1 status Duke, UNC and NC State. Most R1 schools are in the Power Five like conferences. Now I hate that A&T is moving to the Big South because that was a sellout for a conference that was not better than the MEAC. Them being a R1 school should mean that they have bigger fish to fry than the Big South. I'm not talking ACC, but in the same conference as App. State or East Carolina I would not object too.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Professor on November 23, 2020, 12:04:31 PM
This is big.

I also read that A&T was very close to becoming an R1 university. This puts them in position to outgrow the Big South when it comes to prestige in only a few years. Only three schools in our state have the R1 status Duke, UNC and NC State. Most R1 schools are in the Power Five like conferences. Now I hate that A&T is moving to the Big South because that was a sellout for a conference that was not better than the MEAC. Them being a R1 school should mean that they have bigger fish to fry than the Big South. I'm not talking ACC, but in the same conference as App. State or East Carolina I would not object too.

Here is the article concerning the work to get to the R1 level

https://greensboro.com/blogs/the_syllabus/the-syllabus-could-n-c-a-t-become-an-r1-university/article_4dae1f3a-25e8-11eb-bb29-e7a2a88d296e.html
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Ram55 on November 23, 2020, 12:14:32 PM
I still don't want WSSU to play those sellouts. The idea of using us to fill your stadium because your other conference schools won't bring fans to your stadium just turns my stomach.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: y04185 on November 23, 2020, 12:18:15 PM
This is big.

I also read that A&T was very close to becoming an R1 university. This puts them in position to outgrow the Big South when it comes to prestige in only a few years. Only three schools in our state have the R1 status Duke, UNC and NC State. Most R1 schools are in the Power Five like conferences. Now I hate that A&T is moving to the Big South because that was a sellout for a conference that was not better than the MEAC. Them being a R1 school should mean that they have bigger fish to fry than the Big South. I'm not talking ACC, but in the same conference as App. State or East Carolina I would not object too.

When it comes to basketball the Big South is better than the MEAC.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Ram55 on November 23, 2020, 12:29:08 PM
This is big.

I also read that A&T was very close to becoming an R1 university. This puts them in position to outgrow the Big South when it comes to prestige in only a few years. Only three schools in our state have the R1 status Duke, UNC and NC State. Most R1 schools are in the Power Five like conferences. Now I hate that A&T is moving to the Big South because that was a sellout for a conference that was not better than the MEAC. Them being a R1 school should mean that they have bigger fish to fry than the Big South. I'm not talking ACC, but in the same conference as App. State or East Carolina I would not object too.

When it comes to basketball the Big South is better than the MEAC.

Not for black students its not better.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: wssupickle on November 23, 2020, 12:43:27 PM
WSSU could make as much as $50,000 for playing in Greensboro....

https://journalnow.com/sports/college/wssu/wssu-and-n-c-a-t-to-play-football-again-in-2024/article_7b6252e6-2dab-11eb-9543-c3d706dded10.html
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: y04185 on November 23, 2020, 12:58:38 PM
This is big.

I also read that A&T was very close to becoming an R1 university. This puts them in position to outgrow the Big South when it comes to prestige in only a few years. Only three schools in our state have the R1 status Duke, UNC and NC State. Most R1 schools are in the Power Five like conferences. Now I hate that A&T is moving to the Big South because that was a sellout for a conference that was not better than the MEAC. Them being a R1 school should mean that they have bigger fish to fry than the Big South. I'm not talking ACC, but in the same conference as App. State or East Carolina I would not object too.

When it comes to basketball the Big South is better than the MEAC.

Not for black students its not better.

Prove it.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Ram55 on November 23, 2020, 01:02:26 PM
This is big.

I also read that A&T was very close to becoming an R1 university. This puts them in position to outgrow the Big South when it comes to prestige in only a few years. Only three schools in our state have the R1 status Duke, UNC and NC State. Most R1 schools are in the Power Five like conferences. Now I hate that A&T is moving to the Big South because that was a sellout for a conference that was not better than the MEAC. Them being a R1 school should mean that they have bigger fish to fry than the Big South. I'm not talking ACC, but in the same conference as App. State or East Carolina I would not object too.

When it comes to basketball the Big South is better than the MEAC.

Not for black students its not better.

Prove it.

Go ask your Republican friends we is their proof.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: y04185 on November 23, 2020, 01:11:00 PM
This is big.

I also read that A&T was very close to becoming an R1 university. This puts them in position to outgrow the Big South when it comes to prestige in only a few years. Only three schools in our state have the R1 status Duke, UNC and NC State. Most R1 schools are in the Power Five like conferences. Now I hate that A&T is moving to the Big South because that was a sellout for a conference that was not better than the MEAC. Them being a R1 school should mean that they have bigger fish to fry than the Big South. I'm not talking ACC, but in the same conference as App. State or East Carolina I would not object too.

When it comes to basketball the Big South is better than the MEAC.

Not for black students its not better.

Prove it.

Go ask your Republican friends we is their proof.

Politics has nothing to do with the Big South being historically better than the MEAC in basketball.  That conference's entry is always ranked higher.  Truth hurts. 
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: A&T AGGIE 96 on November 23, 2020, 01:17:27 PM
WSSU could make as much as $50,000 for playing in Greensboro....

https://journalnow.com/sports/college/wssu/wssu-and-n-c-a-t-to-play-football-again-in-2024/article_7b6252e6-2dab-11eb-9543-c3d706dded10.html

All it took was new and "sensible" leadership at WSSU. Rams on this board talking about home and away, or half the gate if the rams only played at A&T was just foolishness. A deal for $30,000...and another $15,000 in tickets that the rams can sell is a great deal for a D2 school.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Ram55 on November 23, 2020, 01:37:31 PM
This is big.

I also read that A&T was very close to becoming an R1 university. This puts them in position to outgrow the Big South when it comes to prestige in only a few years. Only three schools in our state have the R1 status Duke, UNC and NC State. Most R1 schools are in the Power Five like conferences. Now I hate that A&T is moving to the Big South because that was a sellout for a conference that was not better than the MEAC. Them being a R1 school should mean that they have bigger fish to fry than the Big South. I'm not talking ACC, but in the same conference as App. State or East Carolina I would not object too.

When it comes to basketball the Big South is better than the MEAC.

Not for black students its not better.

Prove it.

Go ask your Republican friends we is their proof.

Politics has nothing to do with the Big South being historically better than the MEAC in basketball.  That conference's entry is always ranked higher.  Truth hurts.

You said they were better than the MEAC and I said not for the black students. People don't attend sporting events just because their teams are better on the courts. They attend because the games are better for what they want to see. I would rather watch a WSSU game than to go across town to watch Wake Forest. Sure Wake is better on the court, but they are not better for me. Watching the Big South schools are not better for A&T fans than watching MEAC schools. Their school might be having some identity problems, but not their fans.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: y04185 on November 23, 2020, 01:45:33 PM
This is big.

I also read that A&T was very close to becoming an R1 university. This puts them in position to outgrow the Big South when it comes to prestige in only a few years. Only three schools in our state have the R1 status Duke, UNC and NC State. Most R1 schools are in the Power Five like conferences. Now I hate that A&T is moving to the Big South because that was a sellout for a conference that was not better than the MEAC. Them being a R1 school should mean that they have bigger fish to fry than the Big South. I'm not talking ACC, but in the same conference as App. State or East Carolina I would not object too.

When it comes to basketball the Big South is better than the MEAC.

Not for black students its not better.

Prove it.

Go ask your Republican friends we is their proof.

Politics has nothing to do with the Big South being historically better than the MEAC in basketball.  That conference's entry is always ranked higher.  Truth hurts.

You said they were better than the MEAC and I said not for the black students. People don't attend sporting events just because their teams are better on the courts. They attend because the games are better for what they want to see. I would rather watch a WSSU game than to go across town to watch Wake Forest. Sure Wake is better on the court, but they are not better for me. Watching the Big South schools are not better for A&T fans than watching MEAC schools. Their school might be having some identity problems, but not their fans.

Reading is Fundamental.  I said the Big South is better in basketball than the MEAC.  Everything you stated is just your opinion.  There are those who would rather see Wake Forest than your school.  Too bad you have no clue that everyone doesn't think like you. 

Your major problem is A&T fans come to see A&T play.  Not the other school.  Too bad you don't understand that.  It's not that hard. 
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Ram55 on November 23, 2020, 01:51:05 PM
This is big.

I also read that A&T was very close to becoming an R1 university. This puts them in position to outgrow the Big South when it comes to prestige in only a few years. Only three schools in our state have the R1 status Duke, UNC and NC State. Most R1 schools are in the Power Five like conferences. Now I hate that A&T is moving to the Big South because that was a sellout for a conference that was not better than the MEAC. Them being a R1 school should mean that they have bigger fish to fry than the Big South. I'm not talking ACC, but in the same conference as App. State or East Carolina I would not object too.

When it comes to basketball the Big South is better than the MEAC.

Not for black students its not better.

Prove it.

Go ask your Republican friends we is their proof.

Politics has nothing to do with the Big South being historically better than the MEAC in basketball.  That conference's entry is always ranked higher.  Truth hurts.

You said they were better than the MEAC and I said not for the black students. People don't attend sporting events just because their teams are better on the courts. They attend because the games are better for what they want to see. I would rather watch a WSSU game than to go across town to watch Wake Forest. Sure Wake is better on the court, but they are not better for me. Watching the Big South schools are not better for A&T fans than watching MEAC schools. Their school might be having some identity problems, but not their fans.

Reading is Fundamental.  I said the Big South is better in basketball than the MEAC.  Everything you stated is just your opinion.  There are those who would rather see Wake Forest than your school.  Too bad you have no clue that everyone doesn't think like you. 

Your major problem is A&T fans come to see A&T play.  Not the other school.  Too bad you don't understand that.  It's not that hard.

Again you are wrong. A&T fans come to see both A&T and the opponents. That's why some games draw more than others. Do you honestly think that their fans would show up to watch a game FSU the same as they would for a game with NCCU? Their fans don't care about the Big South schools.

This is the reason they are wanting to play WSSU all of a sudden. They want somebody that can fill their stadium. Most of the remaining MEAC schools are probably telling them to get lost... with the exception of NCCU.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: AggieManiac704 on November 23, 2020, 01:57:02 PM
This is big.

I also read that A&T was very close to becoming an R1 university. This puts them in position to outgrow the Big South when it comes to prestige in only a few years. Only three schools in our state have the R1 status Duke, UNC and NC State. Most R1 schools are in the Power Five like conferences. Now I hate that A&T is moving to the Big South because that was a sellout for a conference that was not better than the MEAC. Them being a R1 school should mean that they have bigger fish to fry than the Big South. I'm not talking ACC, but in the same conference as App. State or East Carolina I would not object too.

When it comes to basketball the Big South is better than the MEAC.

Not for black students its not better.

Prove it.

Go ask your Republican friends we is their proof.

Politics has nothing to do with the Big South being historically better than the MEAC in basketball.  That conference's entry is always ranked higher.  Truth hurts.

You said they were better than the MEAC and I said not for the black students. People don't attend sporting events just because their teams are better on the courts. They attend because the games are better for what they want to see. I would rather watch a WSSU game than to go across town to watch Wake Forest. Sure Wake is better on the court, but they are not better for me. Watching the Big South schools are not better for A&T fans than watching MEAC schools. Their school might be having some identity problems, but not their fans.

Reading is Fundamental.  I said the Big South is better in basketball than the MEAC.  Everything you stated is just your opinion.  There are those who would rather see Wake Forest than your school.  Too bad you have no clue that everyone doesn't think like you. 

Your major problem is A&T fans come to see A&T play.  Not the other school.  Too bad you don't understand that.  It's not that hard.

Again you are wrong. A&T fans come to see both A&T and the opponents. That's why some games draw more than others. Do you honestly think that their fans would show up to watch a game FSU the same as they would for a game with NCCU? Their fans don't care about the Big South schools.

This is the reason they are wanting to play WSSU all of a sudden. They want somebody that can fill their stadium. Most of the remaining MEAC schools are probably telling them to get lost... with the exception of NCCU.

Whole lot of assuming going on here.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Professor on November 23, 2020, 03:25:03 PM
This is big.

I also read that A&T was very close to becoming an R1 university. This puts them in position to outgrow the Big South when it comes to prestige in only a few years. Only three schools in our state have the R1 status Duke, UNC and NC State. Most R1 schools are in the Power Five like conferences. Now I hate that A&T is moving to the Big South because that was a sellout for a conference that was not better than the MEAC. Them being a R1 school should mean that they have bigger fish to fry than the Big South. I'm not talking ACC, but in the same conference as App. State or East Carolina I would not object too.

When it comes to basketball the Big South is better than the MEAC.

Not for black students its not better.

Prove it.

Go ask your Republican friends we is their proof.

Politics has nothing to do with the Big South being historically better than the MEAC in basketball.  That conference's entry is always ranked higher.  Truth hurts.

You said they were better than the MEAC and I said not for the black students. People don't attend sporting events just because their teams are better on the courts. They attend because the games are better for what they want to see. I would rather watch a WSSU game than to go across town to watch Wake Forest. Sure Wake is better on the court, but they are not better for me. Watching the Big South schools are not better for A&T fans than watching MEAC schools. Their school might be having some identity problems, but not their fans.

Reading is Fundamental.  I said the Big South is better in basketball than the MEAC.  Everything you stated is just your opinion.  There are those who would rather see Wake Forest than your school.  Too bad you have no clue that everyone doesn't think like you. 

Your major problem is A&T fans come to see A&T play.  Not the other school.  Too bad you don't understand that.  It's not that hard.

Again you are wrong. A&T fans come to see both A&T and the opponents. That's why some games draw more than others. Do you honestly think that their fans would show up to watch a game FSU the same as they would for a game with NCCU? Their fans don't care about the Big South schools.

This is the reason they are wanting to play WSSU all of a sudden. They want somebody that can fill their stadium. Most of the remaining MEAC schools are probably telling them to get lost... with the exception of NCCU.

A&T really doesn't. We have showed up in 14k plus for VUL and it wasn't GHOE. Bottomline, our fan base are passionate and like to see us win.

Your other assumption is wrong as well. We needed a game to finalize our 2024 schedule. And we needed a home opener tune-up. We also have Elon and Wake Forest. Thank you for agreeing to be our warm up
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: A&T AGGIE 96 on November 23, 2020, 03:38:04 PM
I love HBCU games as much as the next Aggie, but to assume our fans only come out if we play other HBCUs is a stretch. I think Ram55 is a bit hurt by the truth...we don't need wssu on our football schedule. We were more than willing to play the rams if it benefitted A&T. That whole we want home and home, half the gate, y'all scared thing was crazy.

Moving forward I expect A&T will schedule OOC games with HBCUs. With that said regularly playing wssu is doubtful...A&T has moved on.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: The Sloping Hills and Verdent Green on November 23, 2020, 03:46:06 PM
The new AD at WSSU, Etienne Thomas, is an Eagle from NCCU.  It took an Eagle to help get this game back on schedule.  Plus the Chancellor at WSSU, Dr. Elwood Robinson,, is an Eagle also.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: aggie law on November 23, 2020, 06:00:15 PM
Yeah, now we can move forward in a business like fashion. :clap:

Has the BigSouth ever had a team play in a "classic?"

Can they allow us or Hampton to play in the Celebration Bowl?
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: oleschoolaggie on November 23, 2020, 06:51:52 PM

glad to see wssu on the schedule in 2024 cuz i personally don't give a dayum about playing any school in the big south conference except hampton.  the rest of the big south can "kick rocks" for all i care...
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: eagle pride on November 23, 2020, 07:27:11 PM
This is big.

I also read that A&T was very close to becoming an R1 university. This puts them in position to outgrow the Big South when it comes to prestige in only a few years. Only three schools in our state have the R1 status Duke, UNC and NC State. Most R1 schools are in the Power Five like conferences. Now I hate that A&T is moving to the Big South because that was a sellout for a conference that was not better than the MEAC. Them being a R1 school should mean that they have bigger fish to fry than the Big South. I'm not talking ACC, but in the same conference as App. State or East Carolina I would not object too.

When it comes to basketball the Big South is better than the MEAC.

Not for black students its not better.

Prove it.

Go ask your Republican friends we is their proof.

Politics has nothing to do with the Big South being historically better than the MEAC in basketball.  That conference's entry is always ranked higher.  Truth hurts.

You said they were better than the MEAC and I said not for the black students. People don't attend sporting events just because their teams are better on the courts. They attend because the games are better for what they want to see. I would rather watch a WSSU game than to go across town to watch Wake Forest. Sure Wake is better on the court, but they are not better for me. Watching the Big South schools are not better for A&T fans than watching MEAC schools. Their school might be having some identity problems, but not their fans.

Reading is Fundamental.  I said the Big South is better in basketball than the MEAC.  Everything you stated is just your opinion.  There are those who would rather see Wake Forest than your school.  Too bad you have no clue that everyone doesn't think like you. 

Your major problem is A&T fans come to see A&T play.  Not the other school.  Too bad you don't understand that.  It's not that hard.

Again you are wrong. A&T fans come to see both A&T and the opponents. That's why some games draw more than others. Do you honestly think that their fans would show up to watch a game FSU the same as they would for a game with NCCU? Their fans don't care about the Big South schools.

This is the reason they are wanting to play WSSU all of a sudden. They want somebody that can fill their stadium. Most of the remaining MEAC schools are probably telling them to get lost... with the exception of NCCU.



I think you are correct when you said, now they want to play us all of a sudden.  a&t is looking out for a&t.  Y'all just beat those aggies and you will be off their schedule again.  :snicker
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Professor on November 23, 2020, 07:51:38 PM
This is big.

I also read that A&T was very close to becoming an R1 university. This puts them in position to outgrow the Big South when it comes to prestige in only a few years. Only three schools in our state have the R1 status Duke, UNC and NC State. Most R1 schools are in the Power Five like conferences. Now I hate that A&T is moving to the Big South because that was a sellout for a conference that was not better than the MEAC. Them being a R1 school should mean that they have bigger fish to fry than the Big South. I'm not talking ACC, but in the same conference as App. State or East Carolina I would not object too.

When it comes to basketball the Big South is better than the MEAC.

Not for black students its not better.

Prove it.

Go ask your Republican friends we is their proof.

Politics has nothing to do with the Big South being historically better than the MEAC in basketball.  That conference's entry is always ranked higher.  Truth hurts.

You said they were better than the MEAC and I said not for the black students. People don't attend sporting events just because their teams are better on the courts. They attend because the games are better for what they want to see. I would rather watch a WSSU game than to go across town to watch Wake Forest. Sure Wake is better on the court, but they are not better for me. Watching the Big South schools are not better for A&T fans than watching MEAC schools. Their school might be having some identity problems, but not their fans.

Reading is Fundamental.  I said the Big South is better in basketball than the MEAC.  Everything you stated is just your opinion.  There are those who would rather see Wake Forest than your school.  Too bad you have no clue that everyone doesn't think like you. 

Your major problem is A&T fans come to see A&T play.  Not the other school.  Too bad you don't understand that.  It's not that hard.

Again you are wrong. A&T fans come to see both A&T and the opponents. That's why some games draw more than others. Do you honestly think that their fans would show up to watch a game FSU the same as they would for a game with NCCU? Their fans don't care about the Big South schools.

This is the reason they are wanting to play WSSU all of a sudden. They want somebody that can fill their stadium. Most of the remaining MEAC schools are probably telling them to get lost... with the exception of NCCU.



I think you are correct when you said, now they want to play us all of a sudden.  a&t is looking out for a&t.  Y'all just beat those aggies and you will be off their schedule again.  :snicker

Self-perseveration. got to love it
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: WileECoyote06 on November 23, 2020, 09:25:49 PM
Yeah, now we can move forward in a business like fashion. :clap:

Has the BigSouth ever had a team play in a "classic?"

Can they allow us or Hampton to play in the Celebration Bowl?

Nah.  Playoffs or bust for yall.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: DRUMMA1 on November 23, 2020, 11:31:11 PM
No smack but this is a much needed event here in NC. Hopefully, they can develop a consistent Labor Day event.

I think NCAT is going to need more of these games to fill up Truist Stadium once they join the Big South. A lot of their alumni I know aren't planning to attending those conference games.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: punchy on November 24, 2020, 08:29:12 AM
No smack but this is a much needed event here in NC. Hopefully, they can develop a consistent Labor Day event.

I think NCAT is going to need more of these games to fill up Truist Stadium once they join the Big South. A lot of their alumni I know aren't planning to attending those conference games.

So, you think A&T's overall attendance is gonna go down with A&T playing football in the Big South? Who else feels that way? Do you A&T folks feel the same?
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Professor on November 24, 2020, 09:11:35 AM
The WSSU game will be a schedule filler when needed.

A&T attendance imo won't go down. We will still have 10k plus a game. GHOE will still sell out. NCCU will be on the schedule long term.

It's honestly no difference in the Big South not bringing fans and MEAC schools not bringing fans.

A&T Fans came in droves when we went 0-27. It honestly doesn't matter who we play
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Jay_Thomas on November 24, 2020, 09:15:46 AM
Its a win-win for the fans!Period.

And I still believe some rivalries need to be maintained regardless of division.

just my 2 cents
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: A&T AGGIE 96 on November 24, 2020, 09:17:56 AM
No smack but this is a much needed event here in NC. Hopefully, they can develop a consistent Labor Day event.

I think NCAT is going to need more of these games to fill up Truist Stadium once they join the Big South. A lot of their alumni I know aren't planning to attending those conference games.

So, you think A&T's overall attendance is gonna go down with A&T playing football in the Big South? Who else feels that way? Do you A&T folks feel the same?

It's going to be interesting to see what happens. I for one don't think we won't see a big slip. From my observation the attendance at A&T has less to do with "who" we are playing and more to do with "how well" we are playing.

Even during the decade which no Aggie wants remember our attendance wasn't bad compared to our peers. Long story short I think we will be fine. If A&T keeps winning in the BS Aggies will be very happy and looking for the next challenge....if we don't do well then folks will be screaming the sky is falling.

As an Aggie that knows nothing but the MEAC it will be a transition for sure. The common HBCU thread between us made the games more interesting. There is history, heritage, and some of the best trash talking ever. I don't think we will ever be able to replace generations of that legacy...and it would be wrong for us to try to replace it...now, we are just adding to it. 
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: A&T AGGIE 96 on November 24, 2020, 09:27:11 AM
Its a win-win for the fans!Period.

And I still believe some rivalries need to be maintained regardless of division.

just my 2 cents

I think it's good for the fans and the region, but I have to disagree on playing games just because. Games are rivalries when schools, teams, and fans want to be rivals.


No disrespect to WSSU, but I don't think A&T is interested in being a rival anymore. The years long stretch of not playing each other has proved that. It's not a "must play" game for Aggies. There are some Aggies that don't want to see any D2 teams on our football schedule at all, and see the rams as a warm up at best.

I have no issues with the game, but I don't see it as a every year thing. 
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: westcoastaggie on November 24, 2020, 10:12:39 AM
No smack but this is a much needed event here in NC. Hopefully, they can develop a consistent Labor Day event.

I think NCAT is going to need more of these games to fill up Truist Stadium once they join the Big South. A lot of their alumni I know aren't planning to attending those conference games.

So, you think A&T's overall attendance is gonna go down with A&T playing football in the Big South? Who else feels that way? Do you A&T folks feel the same?

Anyone who believes this Punchy is absolutely silly and if an Aggie is saying this needs to be called out because they're lying. Hell, most MEAC teams don't even bring their band. And sorry, but there were rarely any marquee, box office names on other teams playing against A&T in our home barn.

Aggies will show up early in the season if the weather is warm and dry, and we'll need to do a better job of marketing home games in the months of October and November outside of GHOE. Our conference attendance won't change much in either direction as long as we're winning.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: westcoastaggie on November 24, 2020, 10:13:22 AM
No smack but this is a much needed event here in NC. Hopefully, they can develop a consistent Labor Day event.

I think NCAT is going to need more of these games to fill up Truist Stadium once they join the Big South. A lot of their alumni I know aren't planning to attending those conference games.

So, you think A&T's overall attendance is gonna go down with A&T playing football in the Big South? Who else feels that way? Do you A&T folks feel the same?

It's going to be interesting to see what happens. I for one don't think we won't see a big slip. From my observation the attendance at A&T has less to do with "who" we are playing and more to do with "how well" we are playing.

Even during the decade which no Aggie wants remember our attendance wasn't bad compared to our peers. Long story short I think we will be fine. If A&T keeps winning in the BS Aggies will be very happy and looking for the next challenge....if we don't do well then folks will be screaming the sky is falling.

As an Aggie that knows nothing but the MEAC it will be a transition for sure. The common HBCU thread between us made the games more interesting. There is history, heritage, and some of the best trash talking ever. I don't think we will ever be able to replace generations of that legacy...and it would be wrong for us to try to replace it...now, we are just adding to it.

Absolutely!
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Professor on November 24, 2020, 10:29:17 AM
No smack but this is a much needed event here in NC. Hopefully, they can develop a consistent Labor Day event.

I think NCAT is going to need more of these games to fill up Truist Stadium once they join the Big South. A lot of their alumni I know aren't planning to attending those conference games.

So, you think A&T's overall attendance is gonna go down with A&T playing football in the Big South? Who else feels that way? Do you A&T folks feel the same?

Anyone who believes this Punchy is absolutely silly and if an Aggie is saying this needs to be called out because they're lying. Hell, most MEAC teams don't even bring their band. And sorry, but there were rarely any marquee, box office names on other teams playing against A&T in our home barn.

Aggies will show up early in the season if the weather is warm and dry, and we'll need to do a better job of marketing home games in the months of October and November outside of GHOE. Our conference attendance won't change much in either direction as long as we're winning.

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Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: oleschoolaggie on November 24, 2020, 10:41:32 AM
No smack but this is a much needed event here in NC. Hopefully, they can develop a consistent Labor Day event.

I think NCAT is going to need more of these games to fill up Truist Stadium once they join the Big South. A lot of their alumni I know aren't planning to attending those conference games.

So, you think A&T's overall attendance is gonna go down with A&T playing football in the Big South? Who else feels that way? Do you A&T folks feel the same?

indeed attendance "will drop" further than normal when we begin playing big south teams in "cold weather" particularly during the months of october and november.  we've essentially never played pwc's that late in the season at home, so our previous home games against pwc's have been during warm weather months.

tennessee state's overall attendance dropped when they joined the ovc, hampton's overall attendance dropped when they joined the bsc, and the exact same thing will happen to a&t when we play a bsc schedule.

tennessee state attendance is "higher" when playing hbcu's compared to ovc pwc's, hampton's attendance was "higher" when playing hbcu's compared to bsc pwc's, and the exact same thing will happen to a&t...
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Decks on November 24, 2020, 10:51:32 AM
Lot's of misinformation in some of these posts. Our attendance isn't going to change. Outside of NCCU most MEAC teams generally don't draw very well in Aggie Stadium. Would you believe our last two games vs. SCSU  only attracted an average of 11,500 fans? BCU and Del State non homecoming games are probably worse. In contrast Elon, Gardner Webb, Chowan, VUL and even Mars Hill drew better. AS long as we're good nothing will change.

In basketball I suspect our attendance might possibly increase as we add teams closer in proximity such as High Point, Campbell and Winthrop. 

Finally consider this. When Hampton was a member of the MEAC they routinely led all HBCU's in basketball attendance. Everyone said their attendance would take a huge drop when they moved to the Big South... but guess what? They still led all HBCU's in attendance as a member of the BSC.   
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: DRUMMA1 on November 24, 2020, 11:18:20 AM
Interesting.

Let me ask you Aggies a question: How can A&T improve its attendance? Given the size of Greensboro, its proximity to RDU and Charlotte, and the large amount of African-Americans who reside in NC, why are only 11,000 to 15,000 fans coming to support a juggernaut HBCU program?  I only ask because those ingredients are a recipe for a huge numbers at other schools.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Decks on November 24, 2020, 11:31:43 AM
Interesting.

Let me ask you Aggies a question: How can A&T improve its attendance? Given the size of Greensboro, its proximity to RDU and Charlotte, and the large amount of African-Americans who reside in NC, why are only 11,000 to 15,000 fans coming to support a juggernaut HBCU program?  I only ask because those ingredients are a recipe for a huge numbers at other schools.

Bro you always seem to think we struggle with attendance? If you look at averages we do better than most hbcu's. Look at 2019 numbers:

1. JSU - 33,762
2. Alabama St - 17,799
3. Southern - 16,957
4. NC A&T - 16,927
5. FAMU - 16,537


Not a nickel worth of difference between A&T, FAMU and Southern?
 
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Professor on November 24, 2020, 11:39:46 AM
An average of 16,927 fans in a stadium that holds 21500.

16927 / 21500 = 78.7 percent capacity over the season.

It's plenty of schools that would want that "problem"
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: oleschoolaggie on November 24, 2020, 11:45:18 AM
Lot's of misinformation in some of these posts. Our attendance isn't going to change. Outside of NCCU most MEAC teams generally don't draw very well in Aggie Stadium. Would you believe our last two games vs. SCSU  only attracted an average of 11,500 fans? BCU and Del State non homecoming games are probably worse. In contrast Elon, Gardner Webb, Chowan, VUL and even Mars Hill drew better. AS long as we're good nothing will change.

decks, we've "NEVER" played any of those pwc's in "cold weather months" and we've "NEVER" played any of those pwc's the week "immediately following" ghoe.   our attendance is "never" good at a home game the week "immediately following" ghoe. 

well, the last 2 times we've played scsu in greensboro those 2 factors absolutely did exist, not to mention that the first of those 2 home games against scsu came when scsu was a "winless" football team that had been struggling for a few years...
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Que82 on November 24, 2020, 11:53:15 AM
Let some of y'all Aggies tell it on this board this game was never going to happen again.  I guess with the move to the Big South you had to get a game back on the schedule your fans actually want to see.

WSSU has new athletic leadership and agreed to the demands. The WSSU AD quote says it all

This is a tremendous opportunity to renew a historic rivalry, the Battle of I-40, during this anniversary year at NCAT's Truist Stadium," said WSSU Director Athletics Etienne Thomas. "Thanks to the vision and leadership at both schools we will be able to provide our fans with a phenomenal event. Fans of both institutions will get a chance to renew one of the great rivalries in college football.  We are excited that Chancellor Martin, Athletics Director Earl Hinton and Coach Washington thought of WSSU for inclusion in this celebration.
So the Rams decided to bow down and kiss the ring, Que82 says starting some chit and  :tiptoe:  :lol:
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: DRUMMA1 on November 24, 2020, 11:55:34 AM
Interesting.

Let me ask you Aggies a question: How can A&T improve its attendance? Given the size of Greensboro, its proximity to RDU and Charlotte, and the large amount of African-Americans who reside in NC, why are only 11,000 to 15,000 fans coming to support a juggernaut HBCU program?  I only ask because those ingredients are a recipe for a huge numbers at other schools.

Bro you always seem to think we struggle with attendance? If you look at averages we do better than most hbcu's. Look at 2019 numbers:

1. JSU - 33,762
2. Alabama St - 17,799
3. Southern - 16,957
4. NC A&T - 16,927
5. FAMU - 16,537


Not a nickel worth of difference between A&T, FAMU and Southern?
 

You are comparing your attendance to programs with lackluster seasons.

My point is, for A&T to have such a juggernaut HBCU program located in a region and state with a high number of African-Americans, it should be easy to sellout a 21,500 seat stadium every week. Quiet as its kept, I am inclined to believe most of A&T's figures are based on season ticket sales because I have attended quite a few of those regular games and uhhh...yeah, there aren't 15K in the stands.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Professor on November 24, 2020, 12:02:21 PM
Lot's of misinformation in some of these posts. Our attendance isn't going to change. Outside of NCCU most MEAC teams generally don't draw very well in Aggie Stadium. Would you believe our last two games vs. SCSU  only attracted an average of 11,500 fans? BCU and Del State non homecoming games are probably worse. In contrast Elon, Gardner Webb, Chowan, VUL and even Mars Hill drew better. AS long as we're good nothing will change.

decks, we've "NEVER" played any of those pwc's in "cold weather months" and we've "NEVER" played any of those pwc's the week "immediately following" ghoe.   our attendance is "never" good at a home game the week "immediately following" ghoe. 

well, the last 2 times we've played scsu in greensboro those 2 factors absolutely did exist, not to mention that the first of those 2 home games against scsu came when scsu was a "winless" football team that had been struggling for a few years...

We have never played a PWI after GHOE because we are in conference play. It is not our fault that our opponent was bad.

Some attendance numbers after GHOE

2019

GHOE 10/26/19

Next Home game - vs BCU  11/16/19 - Attendance 10,355

Next Home game - vs NCCU 11/23/19 - Attendance 19,853

GHOE 2018 was last home game

GHOE 2017 10/07/20

Next Home Game - vs BCU 10/21/17  - Attendance 13,262

Next Home Game - vs SSU - Attendance 9,397

Next Home Game - vs BCU 11/18/17  - Attendance 21,500

GHOE 2016 10/29/16

Next Home Game - vs SCSU 11/5/16  - Attendance 11,357









Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Que82 on November 24, 2020, 12:04:10 PM
Interesting.

Let me ask you Aggies a question: How can A&T improve its attendance? Given the size of Greensboro, its proximity to RDU and Charlotte, and the large amount of African-Americans who reside in NC, why are only 11,000 to 15,000 fans coming to support a juggernaut HBCU program?  I only ask because those ingredients are a recipe for a huge numbers at other schools.

Bro you always seem to think we struggle with attendance? If you look at averages we do better than most hbcu's. Look at 2019 numbers:

1. JSU - 33,762
2. Alabama St - 17,799
3. Southern - 16,957
4. NC A&T - 16,927
5. FAMU - 16,537


Not a nickel worth of difference between A&T, FAMU and Southern?
 
I don't think he said you were struggling.  I read he was wondering with all the success you are having and your location why aren't you at or near capacity every game.  I personally think it's an honest question that your AD should be pondering. :shrug: 
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Professor on November 24, 2020, 12:07:50 PM
Interesting.

Let me ask you Aggies a question: How can A&T improve its attendance? Given the size of Greensboro, its proximity to RDU and Charlotte, and the large amount of African-Americans who reside in NC, why are only 11,000 to 15,000 fans coming to support a juggernaut HBCU program?  I only ask because those ingredients are a recipe for a huge numbers at other schools.

Bro you always seem to think we struggle with attendance? If you look at averages we do better than most hbcu's. Look at 2019 numbers:

1. JSU - 33,762
2. Alabama St - 17,799
3. Southern - 16,957
4. NC A&T - 16,927
5. FAMU - 16,537


Not a nickel worth of difference between A&T, FAMU and Southern?
 

You are comparing your attendance to programs with lackluster seasons.

My point is, for A&T to have such a juggernaut HBCU program located in a region and state with a high number of African-Americans, it should be easy to sellout a 21,500 seat stadium every week. Quiet as its kept, I am inclined to believe most of A&T's figures are based on season ticket sales because I have attended quite a few of those regular games and uhhh...yeah, there aren't 15K in the stands.

Another point you fail to realize is the amount of universities within a 2 hour drive that play football as well both PWI and HBCU. We aren't the only show in the area

UNC
NCSU
Wake
Duke
Charlotte
NCCU
Elon
WSSU
Fayetteville State
Shaw
St Aug
Guilford College
Greensboro College

Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Professor on November 24, 2020, 12:09:36 PM
Let some of y'all Aggies tell it on this board this game was never going to happen again.  I guess with the move to the Big South you had to get a game back on the schedule your fans actually want to see.

WSSU has new athletic leadership and agreed to the demands. The WSSU AD quote says it all

This is a tremendous opportunity to renew a historic rivalry, the Battle of I-40, during this anniversary year at NCAT's Truist Stadium," said WSSU Director Athletics Etienne Thomas. "Thanks to the vision and leadership at both schools we will be able to provide our fans with a phenomenal event. Fans of both institutions will get a chance to renew one of the great rivalries in college football.  We are excited that Chancellor Martin, Athletics Director Earl Hinton and Coach Washington thought of WSSU for inclusion in this celebration.
So the Rams decided to bow down and kiss the ring, Que82 says starting some chit and  :tiptoe:  :lol:

Their Alums wanted to happen and demanded it. It was an article a few years ago that stated WSSU was aggressively trying to play NCCU and A&T again. They were scheduled to play NCCU this year 
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: A&T AGGIE 96 on November 24, 2020, 12:10:57 PM
Attendance vs Ticket Sales  :shrug:

I want the cash...don't care how many show up on game day.

Time will tell, but I think A&T will be just fine.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Que82 on November 24, 2020, 12:11:51 PM
Interesting.

Let me ask you Aggies a question: How can A&T improve its attendance? Given the size of Greensboro, its proximity to RDU and Charlotte, and the large amount of African-Americans who reside in NC, why are only 11,000 to 15,000 fans coming to support a juggernaut HBCU program?  I only ask because those ingredients are a recipe for a huge numbers at other schools.

Bro you always seem to think we struggle with attendance? If you look at averages we do better than most hbcu's. Look at 2019 numbers:

1. JSU - 33,762
2. Alabama St - 17,799
3. Southern - 16,957
4. NC A&T - 16,927
5. FAMU - 16,537


Not a nickel worth of difference between A&T, FAMU and Southern?
 

You are comparing your attendance to programs with lackluster seasons.

My point is, for A&T to have such a juggernaut HBCU program located in a region and state with a high number of African-Americans, it should be easy to sellout a 21,500 seat stadium every week. Quiet as its kept, I am inclined to believe most of A&T's figures are based on season ticket sales because I have attended quite a few of those regular games and uhhh...yeah, there aren't 15K in the stands.

Another point you fail to realize is the amount of universities within a 2 hour drive that play football as well both PWI and HBCU. We aren't the only show in the area

UNC
NCSU
Wake
Duke
Charlotte
NCCU
Elon
WSSU
Fayetteville State
Shaw
St Aug
Guilford College
Greensboro College

I doubt seriously if those schools especially the HBCUs are pulling fans away from A&T.  :shrug:
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Que82 on November 24, 2020, 12:17:21 PM
Attendance vs Ticket Sales  :shrug:

I want the cash...don't care how many show up on game day.

Time will tell, but I think A&T will be just fine.
How many tickets are you really selling if you have to change conferences to eliminate travel costs????  Not trying to shade A&T but things don't make sense to me.

On another note someone please explain to me how being a R1 school equates to moving to FBS.  Clark-Atlanta is a R2 school and they haven't moved to FCS, heyal they are barely maintaining at D2.  :shrug:
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: DRUMMA1 on November 24, 2020, 12:40:09 PM
Interesting.

Let me ask you Aggies a question: How can A&T improve its attendance? Given the size of Greensboro, its proximity to RDU and Charlotte, and the large amount of African-Americans who reside in NC, why are only 11,000 to 15,000 fans coming to support a juggernaut HBCU program?  I only ask because those ingredients are a recipe for a huge numbers at other schools.

Bro you always seem to think we struggle with attendance? If you look at averages we do better than most hbcu's. Look at 2019 numbers:

1. JSU - 33,762
2. Alabama St - 17,799
3. Southern - 16,957
4. NC A&T - 16,927
5. FAMU - 16,537


Not a nickel worth of difference between A&T, FAMU and Southern?
 

You are comparing your attendance to programs with lackluster seasons.

My point is, for A&T to have such a juggernaut HBCU program located in a region and state with a high number of African-Americans, it should be easy to sellout a 21,500 seat stadium every week. Quiet as its kept, I am inclined to believe most of A&T's figures are based on season ticket sales because I have attended quite a few of those regular games and uhhh...yeah, there aren't 15K in the stands.

Another point you fail to realize is the amount of universities within a 2 hour drive that play football as well both PWI and HBCU. We aren't the only show in the area

UNC
NCSU
Wake
Duke
Charlotte
NCCU
Elon
WSSU
Fayetteville State
Shaw
St Aug
Guilford College
Greensboro College



Here is the problem with that theory:

1. A&T has either had a program longer or an established brand longer than most of the schools in that list.

2. Black people, by in large, are not attending those PWI games. Most of us who from NC grew up as fans of the Aggies or Eagles.

I think you guys have a disconnect with your base.  The support seemed to be much greater in the 90s and 2000s for your home and away games.  I also feel your fans and locals would rather play marquee or rival HBCUs.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Professor on November 24, 2020, 12:46:02 PM
Attendance vs Ticket Sales  :shrug:

I want the cash...don't care how many show up on game day.

Time will tell, but I think A&T will be just fine.
How many tickets are you really selling if you have to change conferences to eliminate travel costs????  Not trying to shade A&T but things don't make sense to me.

On another note someone please explain to me how being a R1 school equates to moving to FBS.  Clark-Atlanta is a R2 school and they haven't moved to FCS, heyal they are barely maintaining at D2.  :shrug:

Where has anyone from A&T said being a R1 university had anything to do with athletics? That came from the guy from WSSU
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Professor on November 24, 2020, 12:54:43 PM
Interesting.

Let me ask you Aggies a question: How can A&T improve its attendance? Given the size of Greensboro, its proximity to RDU and Charlotte, and the large amount of African-Americans who reside in NC, why are only 11,000 to 15,000 fans coming to support a juggernaut HBCU program?  I only ask because those ingredients are a recipe for a huge numbers at other schools.

Bro you always seem to think we struggle with attendance? If you look at averages we do better than most hbcu's. Look at 2019 numbers:

1. JSU - 33,762
2. Alabama St - 17,799
3. Southern - 16,957
4. NC A&T - 16,927
5. FAMU - 16,537


Not a nickel worth of difference between A&T, FAMU and Southern?
 

You are comparing your attendance to programs with lackluster seasons.

My point is, for A&T to have such a juggernaut HBCU program located in a region and state with a high number of African-Americans, it should be easy to sellout a 21,500 seat stadium every week. Quiet as its kept, I am inclined to believe most of A&T's figures are based on season ticket sales because I have attended quite a few of those regular games and uhhh...yeah, there aren't 15K in the stands.

Another point you fail to realize is the amount of universities within a 2 hour drive that play football as well both PWI and HBCU. We aren't the only show in the area

UNC
NCSU
Wake
Duke
Charlotte
NCCU
Elon
WSSU
Fayetteville State
Shaw
St Aug
Guilford College
Greensboro College



Here is the problem with that theory:

1. A&T has either had a program longer or an established brand longer than most of the schools in that list.

2. Black people, by in large, are not attending those PWI games. Most of us who from NC grew up as fans of the Aggies or Eagles.

I think you guys have a disconnect with your base.  The support seemed to be much greater in the 90s and 2000s for your home and away games.  I also feel your fans and locals would rather play marquee or rival HBCUs.

No theory. Just stating what else is going on in the area.

I don't get your opinion about this disconnect but it is what it is. Football attendance is down on all levels.

You want to see a GHOE type crowd , each and every game. Not going to happen. Never has. 

We led the MEAC in attendance last year. Regardless of who we play and usually where we play, Aggie fans show up.

Not sure you want out our Fan Base 
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: oleschoolaggie on November 24, 2020, 01:58:23 PM
Lot's of misinformation in some of these posts. Our attendance isn't going to change. Outside of NCCU most MEAC teams generally don't draw very well in Aggie Stadium. Would you believe our last two games vs. SCSU  only attracted an average of 11,500 fans? BCU and Del State non homecoming games are probably worse. In contrast Elon, Gardner Webb, Chowan, VUL and even Mars Hill drew better. AS long as we're good nothing will change.

decks, we've "NEVER" played any of those pwc's in "cold weather months" and we've "NEVER" played any of those pwc's the week "immediately following" ghoe.   our attendance is "never" good at a home game the week "immediately following" ghoe. 

well, the last 2 times we've played scsu in greensboro those 2 factors absolutely did exist, not to mention that the first of those 2 home games against scsu came when scsu was a "winless" football team that had been struggling for a few years...

We have never played a PWI after GHOE because we are in conference play. It is not our fault that our opponent was bad.

Some attendance numbers after GHOE

2019

GHOE 10/26/19

Next Home game - vs BCU  11/16/19 - Attendance 10,355

Next Home game - vs NCCU 11/23/19 - Attendance 19,853

GHOE 2018 was last home game

GHOE 2017 10/07/20

Next Home Game - vs BCU 10/21/17  - Attendance 13,262

Next Home Game - vs SSU - Attendance 9,397

Next Home Game - vs BCU 11/18/17  - Attendance 21,500

GHOE 2016 10/29/16

Next Home Game - vs SCSU 11/5/16  - Attendance 11,357











i didn't say simply "the next home game" following ghoe.  that's not what i said.  please read "closely", i said the next home game that's played the week "immediately following" ghoe.  that means any home game that's scheduled "7 DAYS" following ghoe, not 2 or 3 weeks later.

and i never said "anything" about playing a pwc "after ghoe".  i mean, reading is "fundamental".  i stated that we've never played a pwc at home "during the colder months", never said anything about ghoe in that regard.

attendance at home "in gerneral" declines when the weather gets cold regardless of who we're playing.  point being that some meac games were played during the colder months of the season which negatively impacted attendance.  i'm saying it will negatively impact home attendance worse than that when we play the charleston southern's, north alabama's, and monmouth's of the world during those colder months...
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: oleschoolaggie on November 24, 2020, 02:17:33 PM
Interesting.

Let me ask you Aggies a question: How can A&T improve its attendance? Given the size of Greensboro, its proximity to RDU and Charlotte, and the large amount of African-Americans who reside in NC, why are only 11,000 to 15,000 fans coming to support a juggernaut HBCU program?  I only ask because those ingredients are a recipe for a huge numbers at other schools.

Bro you always seem to think we struggle with attendance? If you look at averages we do better than most hbcu's. Look at 2019 numbers:

1. JSU - 33,762
2. Alabama St - 17,799
3. Southern - 16,957
4. NC A&T - 16,927
5. FAMU - 16,537


Not a nickel worth of difference between A&T, FAMU and Southern?
 
I don't think he said you were struggling.  I read he was wondering with all the success you are having and your location why aren't you at or near capacity every game.  I personally think it's an honest question that your AD should be pondering. :shrug: 

college teams that are located in the "deep south" tend to have better attendance numbers due to warmer weather especially in october and november.  north carolina is not a "deep south" state, it actually gets cold in october and november which reduces attendance, unlike "deep south" schools...
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: DRUMMA1 on November 24, 2020, 02:51:36 PM
Interesting.

Let me ask you Aggies a question: How can A&T improve its attendance? Given the size of Greensboro, its proximity to RDU and Charlotte, and the large amount of African-Americans who reside in NC, why are only 11,000 to 15,000 fans coming to support a juggernaut HBCU program?  I only ask because those ingredients are a recipe for a huge numbers at other schools.

Bro you always seem to think we struggle with attendance? If you look at averages we do better than most hbcu's. Look at 2019 numbers:

1. JSU - 33,762
2. Alabama St - 17,799
3. Southern - 16,957
4. NC A&T - 16,927
5. FAMU - 16,537


Not a nickel worth of difference between A&T, FAMU and Southern?
 

You are comparing your attendance to programs with lackluster seasons.

My point is, for A&T to have such a juggernaut HBCU program located in a region and state with a high number of African-Americans, it should be easy to sellout a 21,500 seat stadium every week. Quiet as its kept, I am inclined to believe most of A&T's figures are based on season ticket sales because I have attended quite a few of those regular games and uhhh...yeah, there aren't 15K in the stands.

Another point you fail to realize is the amount of universities within a 2 hour drive that play football as well both PWI and HBCU. We aren't the only show in the area

UNC
NCSU
Wake
Duke
Charlotte
NCCU
Elon
WSSU
Fayetteville State
Shaw
St Aug
Guilford College
Greensboro College



Here is the problem with that theory:

1. A&T has either had a program longer or an established brand longer than most of the schools in that list.

2. Black people, by in large, are not attending those PWI games. Most of us who from NC grew up as fans of the Aggies or Eagles.

I think you guys have a disconnect with your base.  The support seemed to be much greater in the 90s and 2000s for your home and away games.  I also feel your fans and locals would rather play marquee or rival HBCUs.

No theory. Just stating what else is going on in the area.

I don't get your opinion about this disconnect but it is what it is. Football attendance is down on all levels.

You want to see a GHOE type crowd , each and every game. Not going to happen. Never has. 

We led the MEAC in attendance last year. Regardless of who we play and usually where we play, Aggie fans show up.

Not sure you want out our Fan Base 

With an enrollment over 10,000, a dominant program and established fan base, you guys should fill that stadium every week, man. It only seats 21K.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Decks on November 24, 2020, 02:53:42 PM
This is big.

I also read that A&T was very close to becoming an R1 university. This puts them in position to outgrow the Big South when it comes to prestige in only a few years. Only three schools in our state have the R1 status Duke, UNC and NC State. Most R1 schools are in the Power Five like conferences. Now I hate that A&T is moving to the Big South because that was a sellout for a conference that was not better than the MEAC. Them being a R1 school should mean that they have bigger fish to fry than the Big South. I'm not talking ACC, but in the same conference as App. State or East Carolina I would not object too.

When it comes to basketball the Big South is better than the MEAC.

Not for black students its not better.

Prove it.

Go ask your Republican friends we is their proof.

Politics has nothing to do with the Big South being historically better than the MEAC in basketball.  That conference's entry is always ranked higher.  Truth hurts.

You said they were better than the MEAC and I said not for the black students. People don't attend sporting events just because their teams are better on the courts. They attend because the games are better for what they want to see. I would rather watch a WSSU game than to go across town to watch Wake Forest. Sure Wake is better on the court, but they are not better for me. Watching the Big South schools are not better for A&T fans than watching MEAC schools. Their school might be having some identity problems, but not their fans.

Reading is Fundamental.  I said the Big South is better in basketball than the MEAC.  Everything you stated is just your opinion.  There are those who would rather see Wake Forest than your school.  Too bad you have no clue that everyone doesn't think like you. 

Your major problem is A&T fans come to see A&T play.  Not the other school.  Too bad you don't understand that.  It's not that hard.

Again you are wrong. A&T fans come to see both A&T and the opponents. That's why some games draw more than others. Do you honestly think that their fans would show up to watch a game FSU the same as they would for a game with NCCU? Their fans don't care about the Big South schools.

This is the reason they are wanting to play WSSU all of a sudden. They want somebody that can fill their stadium. Most of the remaining MEAC schools are probably telling them to get lost... with the exception of NCCU.

Bro, let's not get this twisted. It was wssu who pushed for this game. That's why you all are accepting less money than what we offered in 2010.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Professor on November 24, 2020, 03:37:24 PM
Interesting.

Let me ask you Aggies a question: How can A&T improve its attendance? Given the size of Greensboro, its proximity to RDU and Charlotte, and the large amount of African-Americans who reside in NC, why are only 11,000 to 15,000 fans coming to support a juggernaut HBCU program?  I only ask because those ingredients are a recipe for a huge numbers at other schools.

Bro you always seem to think we struggle with attendance? If you look at averages we do better than most hbcu's. Look at 2019 numbers:

1. JSU - 33,762
2. Alabama St - 17,799
3. Southern - 16,957
4. NC A&T - 16,927
5. FAMU - 16,537


Not a nickel worth of difference between A&T, FAMU and Southern?
 

You are comparing your attendance to programs with lackluster seasons.

My point is, for A&T to have such a juggernaut HBCU program located in a region and state with a high number of African-Americans, it should be easy to sellout a 21,500 seat stadium every week. Quiet as its kept, I am inclined to believe most of A&T's figures are based on season ticket sales because I have attended quite a few of those regular games and uhhh...yeah, there aren't 15K in the stands.

Another point you fail to realize is the amount of universities within a 2 hour drive that play football as well both PWI and HBCU. We aren't the only show in the area

UNC
NCSU
Wake
Duke
Charlotte
NCCU
Elon
WSSU
Fayetteville State
Shaw
St Aug
Guilford College
Greensboro College



Here is the problem with that theory:

1. A&T has either had a program longer or an established brand longer than most of the schools in that list.

2. Black people, by in large, are not attending those PWI games. Most of us who from NC grew up as fans of the Aggies or Eagles.

I think you guys have a disconnect with your base.  The support seemed to be much greater in the 90s and 2000s for your home and away games.  I also feel your fans and locals would rather play marquee or rival HBCUs.

No theory. Just stating what else is going on in the area.

I don't get your opinion about this disconnect but it is what it is. Football attendance is down on all levels.

You want to see a GHOE type crowd , each and every game. Not going to happen. Never has. 

We led the MEAC in attendance last year. Regardless of who we play and usually where we play, Aggie fans show up.

Not sure you want out our Fan Base 

With an enrollment over 10,000, a dominant program and established fan base, you guys should fill that stadium every week, man. It only seats 21K.

2 schools in the entire FCS have over 21k average. Jackson State and Montana.

Should put things in prospective. We avg close to 80 stadium capacity for the year. Have no issue where we are. 

Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: JBROB on November 24, 2020, 03:46:38 PM
A&T charge for their tickets. If A&T sold tickets for $10 or $15, the attendance would go up. But we charge $30.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: DRUMMA1 on November 24, 2020, 04:31:25 PM
Interesting.

Let me ask you Aggies a question: How can A&T improve its attendance? Given the size of Greensboro, its proximity to RDU and Charlotte, and the large amount of African-Americans who reside in NC, why are only 11,000 to 15,000 fans coming to support a juggernaut HBCU program?  I only ask because those ingredients are a recipe for a huge numbers at other schools.

Bro you always seem to think we struggle with attendance? If you look at averages we do better than most hbcu's. Look at 2019 numbers:

1. JSU - 33,762
2. Alabama St - 17,799
3. Southern - 16,957
4. NC A&T - 16,927
5. FAMU - 16,537


Not a nickel worth of difference between A&T, FAMU and Southern?
 

You are comparing your attendance to programs with lackluster seasons.

My point is, for A&T to have such a juggernaut HBCU program located in a region and state with a high number of African-Americans, it should be easy to sellout a 21,500 seat stadium every week. Quiet as its kept, I am inclined to believe most of A&T's figures are based on season ticket sales because I have attended quite a few of those regular games and uhhh...yeah, there aren't 15K in the stands.

Another point you fail to realize is the amount of universities within a 2 hour drive that play football as well both PWI and HBCU. We aren't the only show in the area

UNC
NCSU
Wake
Duke
Charlotte
NCCU
Elon
WSSU
Fayetteville State
Shaw
St Aug
Guilford College
Greensboro College



Here is the problem with that theory:

1. A&T has either had a program longer or an established brand longer than most of the schools in that list.

2. Black people, by in large, are not attending those PWI games. Most of us who from NC grew up as fans of the Aggies or Eagles.

I think you guys have a disconnect with your base.  The support seemed to be much greater in the 90s and 2000s for your home and away games.  I also feel your fans and locals would rather play marquee or rival HBCUs.

No theory. Just stating what else is going on in the area.

I don't get your opinion about this disconnect but it is what it is. Football attendance is down on all levels.

You want to see a GHOE type crowd , each and every game. Not going to happen. Never has. 

We led the MEAC in attendance last year. Regardless of who we play and usually where we play, Aggie fans show up.

Not sure you want out our Fan Base 

With an enrollment over 10,000, a dominant program and established fan base, you guys should fill that stadium every week, man. It only seats 21K.

2 schools in the entire FCS have over 21k average. Jackson State and Montana.

Should put things in prospective. We avg close to 80 stadium capacity for the year. Have no issue where we are. 



You cannot compare the rabid HBCU fanbase to a Montana, especially when college football is more popular in NC.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Decks on November 24, 2020, 04:35:36 PM
Interesting.

Let me ask you Aggies a question: How can A&T improve its attendance? Given the size of Greensboro, its proximity to RDU and Charlotte, and the large amount of African-Americans who reside in NC, why are only 11,000 to 15,000 fans coming to support a juggernaut HBCU program?  I only ask because those ingredients are a recipe for a huge numbers at other schools.

Bro you always seem to think we struggle with attendance? If you look at averages we do better than most hbcu's. Look at 2019 numbers:

1. JSU - 33,762
2. Alabama St - 17,799
3. Southern - 16,957
4. NC A&T - 16,927
5. FAMU - 16,537


Not a nickel worth of difference between A&T, FAMU and Southern?
 

You are comparing your attendance to programs with lackluster seasons.

My point is, for A&T to have such a juggernaut HBCU program located in a region and state with a high number of African-Americans, it should be easy to sellout a 21,500 seat stadium every week. Quiet as its kept, I am inclined to believe most of A&T's figures are based on season ticket sales because I have attended quite a few of those regular games and uhhh...yeah, there aren't 15K in the stands.

Another point you fail to realize is the amount of universities within a 2 hour drive that play football as well both PWI and HBCU. We aren't the only show in the area

UNC
NCSU
Wake
Duke
Charlotte
NCCU
Elon
WSSU
Fayetteville State
Shaw
St Aug
Guilford College
Greensboro College



Here is the problem with that theory:

1. A&T has either had a program longer or an established brand longer than most of the schools in that list.

2. Black people, by in large, are not attending those PWI games. Most of us who from NC grew up as fans of the Aggies or Eagles.

I think you guys have a disconnect with your base.  The support seemed to be much greater in the 90s and 2000s for your home and away games.  I also feel your fans and locals would rather play marquee or rival HBCUs.

No theory. Just stating what else is going on in the area.

I don't get your opinion about this disconnect but it is what it is. Football attendance is down on all levels.

You want to see a GHOE type crowd , each and every game. Not going to happen. Never has. 

We led the MEAC in attendance last year. Regardless of who we play and usually where we play, Aggie fans show up.

Not sure you want out our Fan Base 

With an enrollment over 10,000, a dominant program and established fan base, you guys should fill that stadium every week, man. It only seats 21K.

Attendance doesn't necessarily equate to winning championships. Overrated stat if you ask me. Besides our focus is on profitability. Success has allowed us to charge higher ticket prices which means we probably make more than our peers who average the same in attendance. Our walk up reserve ticket prices are up to $45 which means we're doing pretty good at 78% capacity. Plus AD has cut out most comps since he's taken over. Overall I like our strategy.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: DRUMMA1 on November 24, 2020, 04:37:06 PM
A&T charge for their tickets. If A&T sold tickets for $10 or $15, the attendance would go up. But we charge $30.

Neither do we.

http://www.ms-veteransstadium.com/tickets

Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Ram55 on November 24, 2020, 04:39:16 PM
Most of A&T's attendance come from students attending the games. They have more than 12,000 students and most of them attend their games. They count them even if they don't come to the games, simple because they pay upfront with their student fees. There have been plenty of games where the stadium appear to be empty and they announce 16,000 with only about 8,000 there.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: DRUMMA1 on November 24, 2020, 04:41:04 PM
Interesting.

Let me ask you Aggies a question: How can A&T improve its attendance? Given the size of Greensboro, its proximity to RDU and Charlotte, and the large amount of African-Americans who reside in NC, why are only 11,000 to 15,000 fans coming to support a juggernaut HBCU program?  I only ask because those ingredients are a recipe for a huge numbers at other schools.

Bro you always seem to think we struggle with attendance? If you look at averages we do better than most hbcu's. Look at 2019 numbers:

1. JSU - 33,762
2. Alabama St - 17,799
3. Southern - 16,957
4. NC A&T - 16,927
5. FAMU - 16,537


Not a nickel worth of difference between A&T, FAMU and Southern?
 

You are comparing your attendance to programs with lackluster seasons.

My point is, for A&T to have such a juggernaut HBCU program located in a region and state with a high number of African-Americans, it should be easy to sellout a 21,500 seat stadium every week. Quiet as its kept, I am inclined to believe most of A&T's figures are based on season ticket sales because I have attended quite a few of those regular games and uhhh...yeah, there aren't 15K in the stands.

Another point you fail to realize is the amount of universities within a 2 hour drive that play football as well both PWI and HBCU. We aren't the only show in the area

UNC
NCSU
Wake
Duke
Charlotte
NCCU
Elon
WSSU
Fayetteville State
Shaw
St Aug
Guilford College
Greensboro College



Here is the problem with that theory:

1. A&T has either had a program longer or an established brand longer than most of the schools in that list.

2. Black people, by in large, are not attending those PWI games. Most of us who from NC grew up as fans of the Aggies or Eagles.

I think you guys have a disconnect with your base.  The support seemed to be much greater in the 90s and 2000s for your home and away games.  I also feel your fans and locals would rather play marquee or rival HBCUs.

No theory. Just stating what else is going on in the area.

I don't get your opinion about this disconnect but it is what it is. Football attendance is down on all levels.

You want to see a GHOE type crowd , each and every game. Not going to happen. Never has. 

We led the MEAC in attendance last year. Regardless of who we play and usually where we play, Aggie fans show up.

Not sure you want out our Fan Base 

With an enrollment over 10,000, a dominant program and established fan base, you guys should fill that stadium every week, man. It only seats 21K.

Attendance doesn't necessarily equate to winning championships. Overrated stat if you ask me. Besides our focus is on profitability. Success has allowed us to charge higher ticket prices which means we probably make more than our peers who average the same in attendance. Our walk up reserve ticket prices are up to $45 which means we're doing pretty good at 78% capacity. Plus AD has cut out most comps since he's taken over. Overall I like our strategy.

Have you noticed more Aggies show up to Atlanta than they do in Greensboro?  Why is that?

Also, attendance may not translate to championships but it does translate to revenue and people getting their money's worth with respect to the overall GameDay experience.  I have paid $45-$50 several times to attend the Aggie-Eagle or SCSU game in Greensboro. I was glad to sew a seed into an HBCU but its a bit overpriced for the experience, which probably has kept the locals away.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: DRUMMA1 on November 24, 2020, 04:43:01 PM
Most of A&T's attendance come from students attending the games. They have more than 12,000 students and most of them attend their games. They count them even if they don't come to the games, simple because they pay upfront with their student fees. There have been plenty of games where the stadium appear to be empty and they announce 16,000 with only about 8,000 there.

I knew it had to be either a student count or season ticket count because I have attended a few games that were empty but were counted as 16k.

I remember attending the 1999 FAMU game in Greensboro and there were over 30,000 fans inside the stadium. Where has the fan support gone, especially from the locals?
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Decks on November 24, 2020, 05:07:22 PM
Most of A&T's attendance come from students attending the games. They have more than 12,000 students and most of them attend their games. They count them even if they don't come to the games, simple because they pay upfront with their student fees. There have been plenty of games where the stadium appear to be empty and they announce 16,000 with only about 8,000 there.

Pure bs. If that was the case then we'd never have attendance under 12k.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: aggie law on November 24, 2020, 05:15:28 PM
A&T is 3-0 all time against JSU!!!!!! Wins in Jackson, Greensboro and Atlanta!!!!!! :popcorn: :kisses:
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: DRUMMA1 on November 24, 2020, 06:01:26 PM
A&T is 3-0 all time against JSU!!!!!! Wins in Jackson, Greensboro and Atlanta!!!!!! :popcorn: :kisses:

Yall beat a 75 year old man and a bad HS coach...barely each time. Cut it out. :lol:
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Professor on November 24, 2020, 07:00:38 PM
Interesting.

Let me ask you Aggies a question: How can A&T improve its attendance? Given the size of Greensboro, its proximity to RDU and Charlotte, and the large amount of African-Americans who reside in NC, why are only 11,000 to 15,000 fans coming to support a juggernaut HBCU program?  I only ask because those ingredients are a recipe for a huge numbers at other schools.

Bro you always seem to think we struggle with attendance? If you look at averages we do better than most hbcu's. Look at 2019 numbers:

1. JSU - 33,762
2. Alabama St - 17,799
3. Southern - 16,957
4. NC A&T - 16,927
5. FAMU - 16,537


Not a nickel worth of difference between A&T, FAMU and Southern?
 

You are comparing your attendance to programs with lackluster seasons.

My point is, for A&T to have such a juggernaut HBCU program located in a region and state with a high number of African-Americans, it should be easy to sellout a 21,500 seat stadium every week. Quiet as its kept, I am inclined to believe most of A&T's figures are based on season ticket sales because I have attended quite a few of those regular games and uhhh...yeah, there aren't 15K in the stands.

Another point you fail to realize is the amount of universities within a 2 hour drive that play football as well both PWI and HBCU. We aren't the only show in the area

UNC
NCSU
Wake
Duke
Charlotte
NCCU
Elon
WSSU
Fayetteville State
Shaw
St Aug
Guilford College
Greensboro College



Here is the problem with that theory:

1. A&T has either had a program longer or an established brand longer than most of the schools in that list.

2. Black people, by in large, are not attending those PWI games. Most of us who from NC grew up as fans of the Aggies or Eagles.

I think you guys have a disconnect with your base.  The support seemed to be much greater in the 90s and 2000s for your home and away games.  I also feel your fans and locals would rather play marquee or rival HBCUs.

No theory. Just stating what else is going on in the area.

I don't get your opinion about this disconnect but it is what it is. Football attendance is down on all levels.

You want to see a GHOE type crowd , each and every game. Not going to happen. Never has. 

We led the MEAC in attendance last year. Regardless of who we play and usually where we play, Aggie fans show up.

Not sure you want out our Fan Base 

With an enrollment over 10,000, a dominant program and established fan base, you guys should fill that stadium every week, man. It only seats 21K.

2 schools in the entire FCS have over 21k average. Jackson State and Montana.

Should put things in prospective. We avg close to 80 stadium capacity for the year. Have no issue where we are. 



You cannot compare the rabid HBCU fanbase to a Montana, especially when college football is more popular in NC.

You can't be serious. Montana is top 3 every year in FCS attendance. And has been one of the best teams in FCS since the 80s.

Montana Attendance Avg

2019 - 22,545
2018 24,677
2017 -23,535
2016 25,377
2015 24,139
2014 23,777
2013 24,380
2012 25,236
2011 24,878
2010 25,448
 
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: DRUMMA1 on November 24, 2020, 07:05:14 PM
Interesting.

Let me ask you Aggies a question: How can A&T improve its attendance? Given the size of Greensboro, its proximity to RDU and Charlotte, and the large amount of African-Americans who reside in NC, why are only 11,000 to 15,000 fans coming to support a juggernaut HBCU program?  I only ask because those ingredients are a recipe for a huge numbers at other schools.

Bro you always seem to think we struggle with attendance? If you look at averages we do better than most hbcu's. Look at 2019 numbers:

1. JSU - 33,762
2. Alabama St - 17,799
3. Southern - 16,957
4. NC A&T - 16,927
5. FAMU - 16,537


Not a nickel worth of difference between A&T, FAMU and Southern?
 

You are comparing your attendance to programs with lackluster seasons.

My point is, for A&T to have such a juggernaut HBCU program located in a region and state with a high number of African-Americans, it should be easy to sellout a 21,500 seat stadium every week. Quiet as its kept, I am inclined to believe most of A&T's figures are based on season ticket sales because I have attended quite a few of those regular games and uhhh...yeah, there aren't 15K in the stands.

Another point you fail to realize is the amount of universities within a 2 hour drive that play football as well both PWI and HBCU. We aren't the only show in the area

UNC
NCSU
Wake
Duke
Charlotte
NCCU
Elon
WSSU
Fayetteville State
Shaw
St Aug
Guilford College
Greensboro College



Here is the problem with that theory:

1. A&T has either had a program longer or an established brand longer than most of the schools in that list.

2. Black people, by in large, are not attending those PWI games. Most of us who from NC grew up as fans of the Aggies or Eagles.

I think you guys have a disconnect with your base.  The support seemed to be much greater in the 90s and 2000s for your home and away games.  I also feel your fans and locals would rather play marquee or rival HBCUs.

No theory. Just stating what else is going on in the area.

I don't get your opinion about this disconnect but it is what it is. Football attendance is down on all levels.

You want to see a GHOE type crowd , each and every game. Not going to happen. Never has. 

We led the MEAC in attendance last year. Regardless of who we play and usually where we play, Aggie fans show up.

Not sure you want out our Fan Base 

With an enrollment over 10,000, a dominant program and established fan base, you guys should fill that stadium every week, man. It only seats 21K.

2 schools in the entire FCS have over 21k average. Jackson State and Montana.

Should put things in prospective. We avg close to 80 stadium capacity for the year. Have no issue where we are. 



You cannot compare the rabid HBCU fanbase to a Montana, especially when college football is more popular in NC.

You can't be serious. Montana is top 3 every year in FCS attendance. And has been one of the best teams in FCS since the 80s.

Montana Attendance Avg

2019 - 22,545
2018 24,677
2017 -23,535
2016 25,377
2015 24,139
2014 23,777
2013 24,380
2012 25,236
2011 24,878
2010 25,448
 

Bull.

JSU has led the FCS in home attendance more than any school since they began counting in 1978...not to mention we led the FCS throughout the 1980s when we ran the SWAC.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Professor on November 24, 2020, 07:06:18 PM
Most of A&T's attendance come from students attending the games. They have more than 12,000 students and most of them attend their games. They count them even if they don't come to the games, simple because they pay upfront with their student fees. There have been plenty of games where the stadium appear to be empty and they announce 16,000 with only about 8,000 there.

I knew it had to be either a student count or season ticket count because I have attended a few games that were empty but were counted as 16k.

I remember attending the 1999 FAMU game in Greensboro and there were over 30,000 fans inside the stadium. Where has the fan support gone, especially from the locals?

It was 21500 there that day. It was for the MEAC title. A&T had 1 loss and FAMU had 2 loss ( One to Miami and one to #1 Tennessee State ) and the 100 was there. 

Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: DRUMMA1 on November 24, 2020, 07:16:26 PM
Most of A&T's attendance come from students attending the games. They have more than 12,000 students and most of them attend their games. They count them even if they don't come to the games, simple because they pay upfront with their student fees. There have been plenty of games where the stadium appear to be empty and they announce 16,000 with only about 8,000 there.

I knew it had to be either a student count or season ticket count because I have attended a few games that were empty but were counted as 16k.

I remember attending the 1999 FAMU game in Greensboro and there were over 30,000 fans inside the stadium. Where has the fan support gone, especially from the locals?

It was 21500 there that day. It was for the MEAC title. A&T had 1 loss and FAMU had 2 loss ( One to Miami and one to #1 Tennessee State ) and the 100 was there. 



Minus the 100, weren't those the same circumstances thr last time FAMU went to Greensboro?
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Professor on November 24, 2020, 07:17:29 PM
Interesting.

Let me ask you Aggies a question: How can A&T improve its attendance? Given the size of Greensboro, its proximity to RDU and Charlotte, and the large amount of African-Americans who reside in NC, why are only 11,000 to 15,000 fans coming to support a juggernaut HBCU program?  I only ask because those ingredients are a recipe for a huge numbers at other schools.

Bro you always seem to think we struggle with attendance? If you look at averages we do better than most hbcu's. Look at 2019 numbers:

1. JSU - 33,762
2. Alabama St - 17,799
3. Southern - 16,957
4. NC A&T - 16,927
5. FAMU - 16,537


Not a nickel worth of difference between A&T, FAMU and Southern?
 

You are comparing your attendance to programs with lackluster seasons.

My point is, for A&T to have such a juggernaut HBCU program located in a region and state with a high number of African-Americans, it should be easy to sellout a 21,500 seat stadium every week. Quiet as its kept, I am inclined to believe most of A&T's figures are based on season ticket sales because I have attended quite a few of those regular games and uhhh...yeah, there aren't 15K in the stands.

Another point you fail to realize is the amount of universities within a 2 hour drive that play football as well both PWI and HBCU. We aren't the only show in the area

UNC
NCSU
Wake
Duke
Charlotte
NCCU
Elon
WSSU
Fayetteville State
Shaw
St Aug
Guilford College
Greensboro College



Here is the problem with that theory:

1. A&T has either had a program longer or an established brand longer than most of the schools in that list.

2. Black people, by in large, are not attending those PWI games. Most of us who from NC grew up as fans of the Aggies or Eagles.

I think you guys have a disconnect with your base.  The support seemed to be much greater in the 90s and 2000s for your home and away games.  I also feel your fans and locals would rather play marquee or rival HBCUs.

No theory. Just stating what else is going on in the area.

I don't get your opinion about this disconnect but it is what it is. Football attendance is down on all levels.

You want to see a GHOE type crowd , each and every game. Not going to happen. Never has. 

We led the MEAC in attendance last year. Regardless of who we play and usually where we play, Aggie fans show up.

Not sure you want out our Fan Base 

With an enrollment over 10,000, a dominant program and established fan base, you guys should fill that stadium every week, man. It only seats 21K.

2 schools in the entire FCS have over 21k average. Jackson State and Montana.

Should put things in prospective. We avg close to 80 stadium capacity for the year. Have no issue where we are. 



You cannot compare the rabid HBCU fanbase to a Montana, especially when college football is more popular in NC.

You can't be serious. Montana is top 3 every year in FCS attendance. And has been one of the best teams in FCS since the 80s.

Montana Attendance Avg

2019 - 22,545
2018 24,677
2017 -23,535
2016 25,377
2015 24,139
2014 23,777
2013 24,380
2012 25,236
2011 24,878
2010 25,448
 

Bull.

JSU has led the FCS in home attendance more than any school since they began counting in 1978...not to mention we led the FCS throughout the 1980s when we ran the SWAC.

Side by side comparison. Notice how Montana never drops below 3. JSU has fallen all the way to 16 before. This is 2019 - 2010. I'm sure if i was too pull more, it would be more of the same

Montana Attendance Avg

2019 - 22,545 #2     JSU 33,762  #1
2018 24,677  #2      JSU 24,677 #1
2017 -23,535 #1      JSU 13,756 #16
2016 25,377 #1       JSU 19,660 #4
2015 24,139 #1       JSU 13,252 #15
2014 23,777 #1       JSU 14,276 #12
2013 24,380 #2       JSU 17,286 #9
2012 25,236 #2       JSU 14,462 #15
2011 24,878 #3       JSU 23,166 #5 
2010 25,448 #2       JSU 24,140 #3


http://www.ncaa.org/championships/statistics/ncaa-football-attendance

 
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: DRUMMA1 on November 24, 2020, 07:20:27 PM
Interesting.

Let me ask you Aggies a question: How can A&T improve its attendance? Given the size of Greensboro, its proximity to RDU and Charlotte, and the large amount of African-Americans who reside in NC, why are only 11,000 to 15,000 fans coming to support a juggernaut HBCU program?  I only ask because those ingredients are a recipe for a huge numbers at other schools.

Bro you always seem to think we struggle with attendance? If you look at averages we do better than most hbcu's. Look at 2019 numbers:

1. JSU - 33,762
2. Alabama St - 17,799
3. Southern - 16,957
4. NC A&T - 16,927
5. FAMU - 16,537


Not a nickel worth of difference between A&T, FAMU and Southern?
 

You are comparing your attendance to programs with lackluster seasons.

My point is, for A&T to have such a juggernaut HBCU program located in a region and state with a high number of African-Americans, it should be easy to sellout a 21,500 seat stadium every week. Quiet as its kept, I am inclined to believe most of A&T's figures are based on season ticket sales because I have attended quite a few of those regular games and uhhh...yeah, there aren't 15K in the stands.

Another point you fail to realize is the amount of universities within a 2 hour drive that play football as well both PWI and HBCU. We aren't the only show in the area

UNC
NCSU
Wake
Duke
Charlotte
NCCU
Elon
WSSU
Fayetteville State
Shaw
St Aug
Guilford College
Greensboro College



Here is the problem with that theory:

1. A&T has either had a program longer or an established brand longer than most of the schools in that list.

2. Black people, by in large, are not attending those PWI games. Most of us who from NC grew up as fans of the Aggies or Eagles.

I think you guys have a disconnect with your base.  The support seemed to be much greater in the 90s and 2000s for your home and away games.  I also feel your fans and locals would rather play marquee or rival HBCUs.

No theory. Just stating what else is going on in the area.

I don't get your opinion about this disconnect but it is what it is. Football attendance is down on all levels.

You want to see a GHOE type crowd , each and every game. Not going to happen. Never has. 

We led the MEAC in attendance last year. Regardless of who we play and usually where we play, Aggie fans show up.

Not sure you want out our Fan Base 

With an enrollment over 10,000, a dominant program and established fan base, you guys should fill that stadium every week, man. It only seats 21K.

2 schools in the entire FCS have over 21k average. Jackson State and Montana.

Should put things in prospective. We avg close to 80 stadium capacity for the year. Have no issue where we are. 



You cannot compare the rabid HBCU fanbase to a Montana, especially when college football is more popular in NC.

You can't be serious. Montana is top 3 every year in FCS attendance. And has been one of the best teams in FCS since the 80s.

Montana Attendance Avg

2019 - 22,545
2018 24,677
2017 -23,535
2016 25,377
2015 24,139
2014 23,777
2013 24,380
2012 25,236
2011 24,878
2010 25,448
 

Bull.

JSU has led the FCS in home attendance more than any school since they began counting in 1978...not to mention we led the FCS throughout the 1980s when we ran the SWAC.

Side by side comparison. Notice how Montana never drops below 3. JSU has fallen all the way to 16 before. This is 2019 - 2010. I'm sure if i was too pull more, it would be more of the same

Montana Attendance Avg

2019 - 22,545 #2     JSU 33,762  #1
2018 24,677  #2      JSU 24,677 #1
2017 -23,535 #1      JSU 13,756 #16
2016 25,377 #1       JSU 19,660 #4
2015 24,139 #1       JSU 13,252 #15
2014 23,777 #1       JSU 14,276 #12
2013 24,380 #2       JSU 17,286 #9
2012 25,236 #2       JSU 14,462 #15
2011 24,878 #3       JSU 23,166 #5 
2010 25,448 #2       JSU 24,140 #3


http://www.ncaa.org/championships/statistics/ncaa-football-attendance

 

No, it wouldn't.  Please pull ever record since 1978, not to mention JSU setting the all-time attendance record in 1997 with over 38,000 fans per game.

Again, JSU has led the FCS in home attendance more than any school.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Professor on November 24, 2020, 07:21:51 PM
Most of A&T's attendance come from students attending the games. They have more than 12,000 students and most of them attend their games. They count them even if they don't come to the games, simple because they pay upfront with their student fees. There have been plenty of games where the stadium appear to be empty and they announce 16,000 with only about 8,000 there.

I knew it had to be either a student count or season ticket count because I have attended a few games that were empty but were counted as 16k.

I remember attending the 1999 FAMU game in Greensboro and there were over 30,000 fans inside the stadium. Where has the fan support gone, especially from the locals?

It was 21500 there that day. It was for the MEAC title. A&T had 1 loss and FAMU had 2 loss ( One to Miami and one to #1 Tennessee State ) and the 100 was there. 



Minus the 100, weren't those the same circumstances thr last time FAMU went to Greensboro?

No. When FAMU came in 2018 , we had just had a hurricane in Greensboro. And we still had 15K show up.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: DRUMMA1 on November 24, 2020, 07:22:48 PM
Throwback to the 1980s:

https://www.facebook.com/jsunaainc/videos/155565882524445/
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Professor on November 24, 2020, 07:33:08 PM
Interesting.

Let me ask you Aggies a question: How can A&T improve its attendance? Given the size of Greensboro, its proximity to RDU and Charlotte, and the large amount of African-Americans who reside in NC, why are only 11,000 to 15,000 fans coming to support a juggernaut HBCU program?  I only ask because those ingredients are a recipe for a huge numbers at other schools.

Bro you always seem to think we struggle with attendance? If you look at averages we do better than most hbcu's. Look at 2019 numbers:

1. JSU - 33,762
2. Alabama St - 17,799
3. Southern - 16,957
4. NC A&T - 16,927
5. FAMU - 16,537


Not a nickel worth of difference between A&T, FAMU and Southern?
 

You are comparing your attendance to programs with lackluster seasons.

My point is, for A&T to have such a juggernaut HBCU program located in a region and state with a high number of African-Americans, it should be easy to sellout a 21,500 seat stadium every week. Quiet as its kept, I am inclined to believe most of A&T's figures are based on season ticket sales because I have attended quite a few of those regular games and uhhh...yeah, there aren't 15K in the stands.

Another point you fail to realize is the amount of universities within a 2 hour drive that play football as well both PWI and HBCU. We aren't the only show in the area

UNC
NCSU
Wake
Duke
Charlotte
NCCU
Elon
WSSU
Fayetteville State
Shaw
St Aug
Guilford College
Greensboro College



Here is the problem with that theory:

1. A&T has either had a program longer or an established brand longer than most of the schools in that list.

2. Black people, by in large, are not attending those PWI games. Most of us who from NC grew up as fans of the Aggies or Eagles.

I think you guys have a disconnect with your base.  The support seemed to be much greater in the 90s and 2000s for your home and away games.  I also feel your fans and locals would rather play marquee or rival HBCUs.

No theory. Just stating what else is going on in the area.

I don't get your opinion about this disconnect but it is what it is. Football attendance is down on all levels.

You want to see a GHOE type crowd , each and every game. Not going to happen. Never has. 

We led the MEAC in attendance last year. Regardless of who we play and usually where we play, Aggie fans show up.

Not sure you want out our Fan Base 

With an enrollment over 10,000, a dominant program and established fan base, you guys should fill that stadium every week, man. It only seats 21K.

2 schools in the entire FCS have over 21k average. Jackson State and Montana.

Should put things in prospective. We avg close to 80 stadium capacity for the year. Have no issue where we are. 



You cannot compare the rabid HBCU fanbase to a Montana, especially when college football is more popular in NC.

You can't be serious. Montana is top 3 every year in FCS attendance. And has been one of the best teams in FCS since the 80s.

Montana Attendance Avg

2019 - 22,545
2018 24,677
2017 -23,535
2016 25,377
2015 24,139
2014 23,777
2013 24,380
2012 25,236
2011 24,878
2010 25,448
 

Bull.

JSU has led the FCS in home attendance more than any school since they began counting in 1978...not to mention we led the FCS throughout the 1980s when we ran the SWAC.

Side by side comparison. Notice how Montana never drops below 3. JSU has fallen all the way to 16 before. This is 2019 - 2010. I'm sure if i was too pull more, it would be more of the same

Montana Attendance Avg

2019 - 22,545 #2     JSU 33,762  #1
2018 24,677  #2      JSU 24,677 #1
2017 -23,535 #1      JSU 13,756 #16
2016 25,377 #1       JSU 19,660 #4
2015 24,139 #1       JSU 13,252 #15
2014 23,777 #1       JSU 14,276 #12
2013 24,380 #2       JSU 17,286 #9
2012 25,236 #2       JSU 14,462 #15
2011 24,878 #3       JSU 23,166 #5 
2010 25,448 #2       JSU 24,140 #3


http://www.ncaa.org/championships/statistics/ncaa-football-attendance

 

No, it wouldn't.  Please pull ever record since 1978, not to mention JSU setting the all-time attendance record in 1997 with over 38,000 fans per game.

Again, JSU has led the FCS in home attendance more than any school.

More Data from Same site

03  Montana 23,352 #2              JSU 18196 #6
04  N/A
05  Montana 22479 #1               JSU 14597 #10
06  Montana 22,600 #1              JSU 20,314 #4
07  Montana 22,799 #2              JSU 16,099 #11
08 Montana 23,923 #2               JSU21,263 #4
09 Montana 24,417 #1               JSU 16,334 #10

Now this is 03-09. All the data they have. Again , idk what JSU does. But Montana's number hasn't dropped out of 20k plus yet. But hey.....
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: DRUMMA1 on November 24, 2020, 07:36:19 PM
Most of A&T's attendance come from students attending the games. They have more than 12,000 students and most of them attend their games. They count them even if they don't come to the games, simple because they pay upfront with their student fees. There have been plenty of games where the stadium appear to be empty and they announce 16,000 with only about 8,000 there.

I knew it had to be either a student count or season ticket count because I have attended a few games that were empty but were counted as 16k.

I remember attending the 1999 FAMU game in Greensboro and there were over 30,000 fans inside the stadium. Where has the fan support gone, especially from the locals?

It was 21500 there that day. It was for the MEAC title. A&T had 1 loss and FAMU had 2 loss ( One to Miami and one to #1 Tennessee State ) and the 100 was there. 



Minus the 100, weren't those the same circumstances thr last time FAMU went to Greensboro?

No. When FAMU came in 2018 , we had just had a hurricane in Greensboro. And we still had 15K show up.

Nah, the hurricane that year was right before the Morgan game...which was about a month prior to playing FAMU...but continue.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: DRUMMA1 on November 24, 2020, 07:37:14 PM
Interesting.

Let me ask you Aggies a question: How can A&T improve its attendance? Given the size of Greensboro, its proximity to RDU and Charlotte, and the large amount of African-Americans who reside in NC, why are only 11,000 to 15,000 fans coming to support a juggernaut HBCU program?  I only ask because those ingredients are a recipe for a huge numbers at other schools.

Bro you always seem to think we struggle with attendance? If you look at averages we do better than most hbcu's. Look at 2019 numbers:

1. JSU - 33,762
2. Alabama St - 17,799
3. Southern - 16,957
4. NC A&T - 16,927
5. FAMU - 16,537


Not a nickel worth of difference between A&T, FAMU and Southern?
 

You are comparing your attendance to programs with lackluster seasons.

My point is, for A&T to have such a juggernaut HBCU program located in a region and state with a high number of African-Americans, it should be easy to sellout a 21,500 seat stadium every week. Quiet as its kept, I am inclined to believe most of A&T's figures are based on season ticket sales because I have attended quite a few of those regular games and uhhh...yeah, there aren't 15K in the stands.

Another point you fail to realize is the amount of universities within a 2 hour drive that play football as well both PWI and HBCU. We aren't the only show in the area

UNC
NCSU
Wake
Duke
Charlotte
NCCU
Elon
WSSU
Fayetteville State
Shaw
St Aug
Guilford College
Greensboro College



Here is the problem with that theory:

1. A&T has either had a program longer or an established brand longer than most of the schools in that list.

2. Black people, by in large, are not attending those PWI games. Most of us who from NC grew up as fans of the Aggies or Eagles.

I think you guys have a disconnect with your base.  The support seemed to be much greater in the 90s and 2000s for your home and away games.  I also feel your fans and locals would rather play marquee or rival HBCUs.

No theory. Just stating what else is going on in the area.

I don't get your opinion about this disconnect but it is what it is. Football attendance is down on all levels.

You want to see a GHOE type crowd , each and every game. Not going to happen. Never has. 

We led the MEAC in attendance last year. Regardless of who we play and usually where we play, Aggie fans show up.

Not sure you want out our Fan Base 

With an enrollment over 10,000, a dominant program and established fan base, you guys should fill that stadium every week, man. It only seats 21K.

2 schools in the entire FCS have over 21k average. Jackson State and Montana.

Should put things in prospective. We avg close to 80 stadium capacity for the year. Have no issue where we are. 



You cannot compare the rabid HBCU fanbase to a Montana, especially when college football is more popular in NC.

You can't be serious. Montana is top 3 every year in FCS attendance. And has been one of the best teams in FCS since the 80s.

Montana Attendance Avg

2019 - 22,545
2018 24,677
2017 -23,535
2016 25,377
2015 24,139
2014 23,777
2013 24,380
2012 25,236
2011 24,878
2010 25,448
 

Bull.

JSU has led the FCS in home attendance more than any school since they began counting in 1978...not to mention we led the FCS throughout the 1980s when we ran the SWAC.

Side by side comparison. Notice how Montana never drops below 3. JSU has fallen all the way to 16 before. This is 2019 - 2010. I'm sure if i was too pull more, it would be more of the same

Montana Attendance Avg

2019 - 22,545 #2     JSU 33,762  #1
2018 24,677  #2      JSU 24,677 #1
2017 -23,535 #1      JSU 13,756 #16
2016 25,377 #1       JSU 19,660 #4
2015 24,139 #1       JSU 13,252 #15
2014 23,777 #1       JSU 14,276 #12
2013 24,380 #2       JSU 17,286 #9
2012 25,236 #2       JSU 14,462 #15
2011 24,878 #3       JSU 23,166 #5 
2010 25,448 #2       JSU 24,140 #3


http://www.ncaa.org/championships/statistics/ncaa-football-attendance

 

No, it wouldn't.  Please pull ever record since 1978, not to mention JSU setting the all-time attendance record in 1997 with over 38,000 fans per game.

Again, JSU has led the FCS in home attendance more than any school.

More Data from Same site

03  Montana 23,352 #2              JSU 18196 #6
04  N/A
05  Montana 22479 #1               JSU 14597 #10
06  Montana 22,600 #1              JSU 20,314 #4
07  Montana 22,799 #2              JSU 16,099 #11
08 Montana 23,923 #2               JSU21,263 #4
09 Montana 24,417 #1               JSU 16,334 #10

Now this is 03-09. All the data they have. Again , idk what JSU does. But Montana's number hasn't dropped out of 20k plus yet. But hey.....

We led the nation in 2002, where you conveniently stopped.

Keep going back. :lol:
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Professor on November 24, 2020, 07:42:49 PM
Interesting.

Let me ask you Aggies a question: How can A&T improve its attendance? Given the size of Greensboro, its proximity to RDU and Charlotte, and the large amount of African-Americans who reside in NC, why are only 11,000 to 15,000 fans coming to support a juggernaut HBCU program?  I only ask because those ingredients are a recipe for a huge numbers at other schools.

Bro you always seem to think we struggle with attendance? If you look at averages we do better than most hbcu's. Look at 2019 numbers:

1. JSU - 33,762
2. Alabama St - 17,799
3. Southern - 16,957
4. NC A&T - 16,927
5. FAMU - 16,537


Not a nickel worth of difference between A&T, FAMU and Southern?
 

You are comparing your attendance to programs with lackluster seasons.

My point is, for A&T to have such a juggernaut HBCU program located in a region and state with a high number of African-Americans, it should be easy to sellout a 21,500 seat stadium every week. Quiet as its kept, I am inclined to believe most of A&T's figures are based on season ticket sales because I have attended quite a few of those regular games and uhhh...yeah, there aren't 15K in the stands.

Another point you fail to realize is the amount of universities within a 2 hour drive that play football as well both PWI and HBCU. We aren't the only show in the area

UNC
NCSU
Wake
Duke
Charlotte
NCCU
Elon
WSSU
Fayetteville State
Shaw
St Aug
Guilford College
Greensboro College



Here is the problem with that theory:

1. A&T has either had a program longer or an established brand longer than most of the schools in that list.

2. Black people, by in large, are not attending those PWI games. Most of us who from NC grew up as fans of the Aggies or Eagles.

I think you guys have a disconnect with your base.  The support seemed to be much greater in the 90s and 2000s for your home and away games.  I also feel your fans and locals would rather play marquee or rival HBCUs.

No theory. Just stating what else is going on in the area.

I don't get your opinion about this disconnect but it is what it is. Football attendance is down on all levels.

You want to see a GHOE type crowd , each and every game. Not going to happen. Never has. 

We led the MEAC in attendance last year. Regardless of who we play and usually where we play, Aggie fans show up.

Not sure you want out our Fan Base 

With an enrollment over 10,000, a dominant program and established fan base, you guys should fill that stadium every week, man. It only seats 21K.

2 schools in the entire FCS have over 21k average. Jackson State and Montana.

Should put things in prospective. We avg close to 80 stadium capacity for the year. Have no issue where we are. 



You cannot compare the rabid HBCU fanbase to a Montana, especially when college football is more popular in NC.

You can't be serious. Montana is top 3 every year in FCS attendance. And has been one of the best teams in FCS since the 80s.

Montana Attendance Avg

2019 - 22,545
2018 24,677
2017 -23,535
2016 25,377
2015 24,139
2014 23,777
2013 24,380
2012 25,236
2011 24,878
2010 25,448
 

Bull.

JSU has led the FCS in home attendance more than any school since they began counting in 1978...not to mention we led the FCS throughout the 1980s when we ran the SWAC.

Side by side comparison. Notice how Montana never drops below 3. JSU has fallen all the way to 16 before. This is 2019 - 2010. I'm sure if i was too pull more, it would be more of the same

Montana Attendance Avg

2019 - 22,545 #2     JSU 33,762  #1
2018 24,677  #2      JSU 24,677 #1
2017 -23,535 #1      JSU 13,756 #16
2016 25,377 #1       JSU 19,660 #4
2015 24,139 #1       JSU 13,252 #15
2014 23,777 #1       JSU 14,276 #12
2013 24,380 #2       JSU 17,286 #9
2012 25,236 #2       JSU 14,462 #15
2011 24,878 #3       JSU 23,166 #5 
2010 25,448 #2       JSU 24,140 #3


http://www.ncaa.org/championships/statistics/ncaa-football-attendance

 

No, it wouldn't.  Please pull ever record since 1978, not to mention JSU setting the all-time attendance record in 1997 with over 38,000 fans per game.

Again, JSU has led the FCS in home attendance more than any school.

More Data from Same site

03  Montana 23,352 #2              JSU 18196 #6
04  N/A
05  Montana 22479 #1               JSU 14597 #10
06  Montana 22,600 #1              JSU 20,314 #4
07  Montana 22,799 #2              JSU 16,099 #11
08 Montana 23,923 #2               JSU21,263 #4
09 Montana 24,417 #1               JSU 16,334 #10

Now this is 03-09. All the data they have. Again , idk what JSU does. But Montana's number hasn't dropped out of 20k plus yet. But hey.....

We led the nation in 2002, where you conveniently stopped.

Keep going back. :lol:

The website starts in 03. It's the NCAA website. I know you don't believe it's other fanbases in FCS but in the SWAC , but they do exist.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: DRUMMA1 on November 24, 2020, 07:50:39 PM
Interesting.

Let me ask you Aggies a question: How can A&T improve its attendance? Given the size of Greensboro, its proximity to RDU and Charlotte, and the large amount of African-Americans who reside in NC, why are only 11,000 to 15,000 fans coming to support a juggernaut HBCU program?  I only ask because those ingredients are a recipe for a huge numbers at other schools.

Bro you always seem to think we struggle with attendance? If you look at averages we do better than most hbcu's. Look at 2019 numbers:

1. JSU - 33,762
2. Alabama St - 17,799
3. Southern - 16,957
4. NC A&T - 16,927
5. FAMU - 16,537


Not a nickel worth of difference between A&T, FAMU and Southern?
 

You are comparing your attendance to programs with lackluster seasons.

My point is, for A&T to have such a juggernaut HBCU program located in a region and state with a high number of African-Americans, it should be easy to sellout a 21,500 seat stadium every week. Quiet as its kept, I am inclined to believe most of A&T's figures are based on season ticket sales because I have attended quite a few of those regular games and uhhh...yeah, there aren't 15K in the stands.

Another point you fail to realize is the amount of universities within a 2 hour drive that play football as well both PWI and HBCU. We aren't the only show in the area

UNC
NCSU
Wake
Duke
Charlotte
NCCU
Elon
WSSU
Fayetteville State
Shaw
St Aug
Guilford College
Greensboro College



Here is the problem with that theory:

1. A&T has either had a program longer or an established brand longer than most of the schools in that list.

2. Black people, by in large, are not attending those PWI games. Most of us who from NC grew up as fans of the Aggies or Eagles.

I think you guys have a disconnect with your base.  The support seemed to be much greater in the 90s and 2000s for your home and away games.  I also feel your fans and locals would rather play marquee or rival HBCUs.

No theory. Just stating what else is going on in the area.

I don't get your opinion about this disconnect but it is what it is. Football attendance is down on all levels.

You want to see a GHOE type crowd , each and every game. Not going to happen. Never has. 

We led the MEAC in attendance last year. Regardless of who we play and usually where we play, Aggie fans show up.

Not sure you want out our Fan Base 

With an enrollment over 10,000, a dominant program and established fan base, you guys should fill that stadium every week, man. It only seats 21K.

2 schools in the entire FCS have over 21k average. Jackson State and Montana.

Should put things in prospective. We avg close to 80 stadium capacity for the year. Have no issue where we are. 



You cannot compare the rabid HBCU fanbase to a Montana, especially when college football is more popular in NC.

You can't be serious. Montana is top 3 every year in FCS attendance. And has been one of the best teams in FCS since the 80s.

Montana Attendance Avg

2019 - 22,545
2018 24,677
2017 -23,535
2016 25,377
2015 24,139
2014 23,777
2013 24,380
2012 25,236
2011 24,878
2010 25,448
 

Bull.

JSU has led the FCS in home attendance more than any school since they began counting in 1978...not to mention we led the FCS throughout the 1980s when we ran the SWAC.

Side by side comparison. Notice how Montana never drops below 3. JSU has fallen all the way to 16 before. This is 2019 - 2010. I'm sure if i was too pull more, it would be more of the same

Montana Attendance Avg

2019 - 22,545 #2     JSU 33,762  #1
2018 24,677  #2      JSU 24,677 #1
2017 -23,535 #1      JSU 13,756 #16
2016 25,377 #1       JSU 19,660 #4
2015 24,139 #1       JSU 13,252 #15
2014 23,777 #1       JSU 14,276 #12
2013 24,380 #2       JSU 17,286 #9
2012 25,236 #2       JSU 14,462 #15
2011 24,878 #3       JSU 23,166 #5 
2010 25,448 #2       JSU 24,140 #3


http://www.ncaa.org/championships/statistics/ncaa-football-attendance

 

No, it wouldn't.  Please pull ever record since 1978, not to mention JSU setting the all-time attendance record in 1997 with over 38,000 fans per game.

Again, JSU has led the FCS in home attendance more than any school.

More Data from Same site

03  Montana 23,352 #2              JSU 18196 #6
04  N/A
05  Montana 22479 #1               JSU 14597 #10
06  Montana 22,600 #1              JSU 20,314 #4
07  Montana 22,799 #2              JSU 16,099 #11
08 Montana 23,923 #2               JSU21,263 #4
09 Montana 24,417 #1               JSU 16,334 #10

Now this is 03-09. All the data they have. Again , idk what JSU does. But Montana's number hasn't dropped out of 20k plus yet. But hey.....

We led the nation in 2002, where you conveniently stopped.

Keep going back. :lol:

The website starts in 03. It's the NCAA website. I know you don't believe it's other fanbases in FCS but in the SWAC , but they do exist.

I pull all my data from the NCAA website.

Switching gears, my Metro Charlotte alumni chapter is trying to get Prime and the team up here soon. Yall down?
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: punchy on November 24, 2020, 08:55:54 PM
Interesting.

Let me ask you Aggies a question: How can A&T improve its attendance? Given the size of Greensboro, its proximity to RDU and Charlotte, and the large amount of African-Americans who reside in NC, why are only 11,000 to 15,000 fans coming to support a juggernaut HBCU program?  I only ask because those ingredients are a recipe for a huge numbers at other schools.

Bro you always seem to think we struggle with attendance? If you look at averages we do better than most hbcu's. Look at 2019 numbers:

1. JSU - 33,762
2. Alabama St - 17,799
3. Southern - 16,957
4. NC A&T - 16,927
5. FAMU - 16,537


Not a nickel worth of difference between A&T, FAMU and Southern?
 

You are comparing your attendance to programs with lackluster seasons.

My point is, for A&T to have such a juggernaut HBCU program located in a region and state with a high number of African-Americans, it should be easy to sellout a 21,500 seat stadium every week. Quiet as its kept, I am inclined to believe most of A&T's figures are based on season ticket sales because I have attended quite a few of those regular games and uhhh...yeah, there aren't 15K in the stands.

Another point you fail to realize is the amount of universities within a 2 hour drive that play football as well both PWI and HBCU. We aren't the only show in the area

UNC
NCSU
Wake
Duke
Charlotte
NCCU
Elon
WSSU
Fayetteville State
Shaw
St Aug
Guilford College
Greensboro College



Here is the problem with that theory:

1. A&T has either had a program longer or an established brand longer than most of the schools in that list.

2. Black people, by in large, are not attending those PWI games. Most of us who from NC grew up as fans of the Aggies or Eagles.

I think you guys have a disconnect with your base.  The support seemed to be much greater in the 90s and 2000s for your home and away games.  I also feel your fans and locals would rather play marquee or rival HBCUs.

No theory. Just stating what else is going on in the area.

I don't get your opinion about this disconnect but it is what it is. Football attendance is down on all levels.

You want to see a GHOE type crowd , each and every game. Not going to happen. Never has. 

We led the MEAC in attendance last year. Regardless of who we play and usually where we play, Aggie fans show up.

Not sure you want out our Fan Base 

With an enrollment over 10,000, a dominant program and established fan base, you guys should fill that stadium every week, man. It only seats 21K.

2 schools in the entire FCS have over 21k average. Jackson State and Montana.

Should put things in prospective. We avg close to 80 stadium capacity for the year. Have no issue where we are. 



You cannot compare the rabid HBCU fanbase to a Montana, especially when college football is more popular in NC.

You can't be serious. Montana is top 3 every year in FCS attendance. And has been one of the best teams in FCS since the 80s.

Montana Attendance Avg

2019 - 22,545
2018 24,677
2017 -23,535
2016 25,377
2015 24,139
2014 23,777
2013 24,380
2012 25,236
2011 24,878
2010 25,448
 

They ain't got nothing else to do out there in Montana other than punch some cattle and visit that dinosaur museum( or is that located in Montana State's town?), so of course they are gonna attend Montana football!  :shrug:
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: eagle pride on November 24, 2020, 09:06:17 PM
Tear them up SU! :dedhorse:
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Ram55 on November 24, 2020, 09:30:03 PM
Most of A&T's attendance come from students attending the games. They have more than 12,000 students and most of them attend their games. They count them even if they don't come to the games, simple because they pay upfront with their student fees. There have been plenty of games where the stadium appear to be empty and they announce 16,000 with only about 8,000 there.

Pure bs. If that was the case then we'd never have attendance under 12k.

When was the last time you reported under 12,000 fans? How many students do you think attend your games? You guys count every student that pays a student fee. At least 9,000 students are included in your attendance count. Your none-student fans aren't that much better than a lot of HBCUs.
I knew it wouldn't be long before ya'll begged for a game with WSSU. By 2024, ya'll will be begging more HBCUs. Basically, you only have about 5,000 paying fans at the gate.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Que82 on November 24, 2020, 09:30:21 PM
Attendance vs Ticket Sales  :shrug:

I want the cash...don't care how many show up on game day.

Time will tell, but I think A&T will be just fine.
How many tickets are you really selling if you have to change conferences to eliminate travel costs????  Not trying to shade A&T but things don't make sense to me.

On another note someone please explain to me how being a R1 school equates to moving to FBS.  Clark-Atlanta is a R2 school and they haven't moved to FCS, heyal they are barely maintaining at D2.  :shrug:

Where has anyone from A&T said being a R1 university had anything to do with athletics? That came from the guy from WSSU
Where did I say anyone from A&T said anything?  I know exactly where it came from, I just asked a general question.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Ram55 on November 24, 2020, 09:48:20 PM
Attendance vs Ticket Sales  :shrug:

I want the cash...don't care how many show up on game day.

Time will tell, but I think A&T will be just fine.
How many tickets are you really selling if you have to change conferences to eliminate travel costs????  Not trying to shade A&T but things don't make sense to me.

On another note someone please explain to me how being a R1 school equates to moving to FBS.  Clark-Atlanta is a R2 school and they haven't moved to FCS, heyal they are barely maintaining at D2.  :shrug:

Where has anyone from A&T said being a R1 university had anything to do with athletics? That came from the guy from WSSU
Where did I say anyone from A&T said anything?  I know exactly where it came from, I just asked a general question.

A&T gaining an R1 status would be a huge deal, and it will affect everything at that school, including sports. That would put them in an elit club with money and prestige off the charts. Outside of sports, A&T is blowing up. Sponsors will be in line to give them money. Its already started. How many HBCUs, like them, have naming rights to their stadium?
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Que82 on November 24, 2020, 10:05:09 PM
Attendance vs Ticket Sales  :shrug:

I want the cash...don't care how many show up on game day.

Time will tell, but I think A&T will be just fine.
How many tickets are you really selling if you have to change conferences to eliminate travel costs????  Not trying to shade A&T but things don't make sense to me.

On another note someone please explain to me how being a R1 school equates to moving to FBS.  Clark-Atlanta is a R2 school and they haven't moved to FCS, heyal they are barely maintaining at D2.  :shrug:

Where has anyone from A&T said being a R1 university had anything to do with athletics? That came from the guy from WSSU
Where did I say anyone from A&T said anything?  I know exactly where it came from, I just asked a general question.

A&T gaining an R1 status would be a huge deal, and it will affect everything at that school, including sports. That would put them in an elit club with money and prestige off the charts. Outside of sports, A&T is blowing up. Sponsors will be in line to give them money. Its already started. How many HBCUs, like them, have naming rights to their stadium?
I'm not sure your theory will come to fruition.  That might be the case for PWIs but I don't see that happening like that for HBCUs.  I admit naming rights is a bit deal for an HBCU but they didn't get the same kind of deal a PWI would get IMHO.  Not a knock on A&T its just what white folks do.  :shrug: Why doesn't Clark-Atlanta have sponsors falling over themselves to support a D2 that has R2 status????  I hope that A&T and any other HBCU can get as much money as possible but some of these theories I hear on here don't make sense to me.  :shrug:
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Decks on November 24, 2020, 10:27:24 PM
Most of A&T's attendance come from students attending the games. They have more than 12,000 students and most of them attend their games. They count them even if they don't come to the games, simple because they pay upfront with their student fees. There have been plenty of games where the stadium appear to be empty and they announce 16,000 with only about 8,000 there.

Pure bs. If that was the case then we'd never have attendance under 12k.

When was the last time you reported under 12,000 fans? How many students do you think attend your games? You guys count every student that pays a student fee. At least 9,000 students are included in your attendance count. Your none-student fans aren't that much better than a lot of HBCUs.
I knew it wouldn't be long before ya'll begged for a game with WSSU. By 2024, ya'll will be begging more HBCUs. Basically, you only have about 5,000 paying fans at the gate.

The game after GHOE is usually our least attended game. Last season it was 10,355 vs BCU. Further proof that you are just making crap up.

Again, you guys were the ones who begged for this game. Lol, In 2010 we offered you $50k. Now we've reduced that to $30k + 15k in tickets. Who takes less money ten years later?
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Que82 on November 25, 2020, 12:19:17 AM
Interesting.

Let me ask you Aggies a question: How can A&T improve its attendance? Given the size of Greensboro, its proximity to RDU and Charlotte, and the large amount of African-Americans who reside in NC, why are only 11,000 to 15,000 fans coming to support a juggernaut HBCU program?  I only ask because those ingredients are a recipe for a huge numbers at other schools.

Bro you always seem to think we struggle with attendance? If you look at averages we do better than most hbcu's. Look at 2019 numbers:

1. JSU - 33,762
2. Alabama St - 17,799
3. Southern - 16,957
4. NC A&T - 16,927
5. FAMU - 16,537


Not a nickel worth of difference between A&T, FAMU and Southern?
 

You are comparing your attendance to programs with lackluster seasons.

My point is, for A&T to have such a juggernaut HBCU program located in a region and state with a high number of African-Americans, it should be easy to sellout a 21,500 seat stadium every week. Quiet as its kept, I am inclined to believe most of A&T's figures are based on season ticket sales because I have attended quite a few of those regular games and uhhh...yeah, there aren't 15K in the stands.

Another point you fail to realize is the amount of universities within a 2 hour drive that play football as well both PWI and HBCU. We aren't the only show in the area

UNC
NCSU
Wake
Duke
Charlotte
NCCU
Elon
WSSU
Fayetteville State
Shaw
St Aug
Guilford College
Greensboro College



Here is the problem with that theory:

1. A&T has either had a program longer or an established brand longer than most of the schools in that list.

2. Black people, by in large, are not attending those PWI games. Most of us who from NC grew up as fans of the Aggies or Eagles.

I think you guys have a disconnect with your base.  The support seemed to be much greater in the 90s and 2000s for your home and away games.  I also feel your fans and locals would rather play marquee or rival HBCUs.

No theory. Just stating what else is going on in the area.

I don't get your opinion about this disconnect but it is what it is. Football attendance is down on all levels.

You want to see a GHOE type crowd , each and every game. Not going to happen. Never has. 

We led the MEAC in attendance last year. Regardless of who we play and usually where we play, Aggie fans show up.

Not sure you want out our Fan Base 

With an enrollment over 10,000, a dominant program and established fan base, you guys should fill that stadium every week, man. It only seats 21K.

2 schools in the entire FCS have over 21k average. Jackson State and Montana.

Should put things in prospective. We avg close to 80 stadium capacity for the year. Have no issue where we are. 



You cannot compare the rabid HBCU fanbase to a Montana, especially when college football is more popular in NC.

You can't be serious. Montana is top 3 every year in FCS attendance. And has been one of the best teams in FCS since the 80s.

Montana Attendance Avg

2019 - 22,545
2018 24,677
2017 -23,535
2016 25,377
2015 24,139
2014 23,777
2013 24,380
2012 25,236
2011 24,878
2010 25,448
 

They ain't got nothing else to do out there in Montana other than punch some cattle and visit that dinosaur museum( or is that located in Montana State's town?), so of course they are gonna attend Montana football!  :shrug:
I was thinking the same thing.  What the heyal else do they have to do in Montana, Montana and Montana St? :shrug: JSU is more impressive to me because they have to share the AA population with 2 other FCS HBCUs.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Ram55 on November 25, 2020, 08:15:39 AM
They're going to need a bigger stadium than 21,000 for this game. A much bigger stadium. This is going to be almost as big as their homecoming... maybe bigger.  :nod:
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: A&T AGGIE 96 on November 25, 2020, 08:50:51 AM
You rams are a funny group. Bigger than our homecoming...yeah right.  :lmao:

All that talk over the years and the rams take a game on our home field for less money than we offered them to play many years ago.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Professor on November 25, 2020, 09:35:57 AM
Interesting.

Let me ask you Aggies a question: How can A&T improve its attendance? Given the size of Greensboro, its proximity to RDU and Charlotte, and the large amount of African-Americans who reside in NC, why are only 11,000 to 15,000 fans coming to support a juggernaut HBCU program?  I only ask because those ingredients are a recipe for a huge numbers at other schools.

Bro you always seem to think we struggle with attendance? If you look at averages we do better than most hbcu's. Look at 2019 numbers:

1. JSU - 33,762
2. Alabama St - 17,799
3. Southern - 16,957
4. NC A&T - 16,927
5. FAMU - 16,537


Not a nickel worth of difference between A&T, FAMU and Southern?
 

You are comparing your attendance to programs with lackluster seasons.

My point is, for A&T to have such a juggernaut HBCU program located in a region and state with a high number of African-Americans, it should be easy to sellout a 21,500 seat stadium every week. Quiet as its kept, I am inclined to believe most of A&T's figures are based on season ticket sales because I have attended quite a few of those regular games and uhhh...yeah, there aren't 15K in the stands.

Another point you fail to realize is the amount of universities within a 2 hour drive that play football as well both PWI and HBCU. We aren't the only show in the area

UNC
NCSU
Wake
Duke
Charlotte
NCCU
Elon
WSSU
Fayetteville State
Shaw
St Aug
Guilford College
Greensboro College



Here is the problem with that theory:

1. A&T has either had a program longer or an established brand longer than most of the schools in that list.

2. Black people, by in large, are not attending those PWI games. Most of us who from NC grew up as fans of the Aggies or Eagles.

I think you guys have a disconnect with your base.  The support seemed to be much greater in the 90s and 2000s for your home and away games.  I also feel your fans and locals would rather play marquee or rival HBCUs.

No theory. Just stating what else is going on in the area.

I don't get your opinion about this disconnect but it is what it is. Football attendance is down on all levels.

You want to see a GHOE type crowd , each and every game. Not going to happen. Never has. 

We led the MEAC in attendance last year. Regardless of who we play and usually where we play, Aggie fans show up.

Not sure you want out our Fan Base 

With an enrollment over 10,000, a dominant program and established fan base, you guys should fill that stadium every week, man. It only seats 21K.

2 schools in the entire FCS have over 21k average. Jackson State and Montana.

Should put things in prospective. We avg close to 80 stadium capacity for the year. Have no issue where we are. 



You cannot compare the rabid HBCU fanbase to a Montana, especially when college football is more popular in NC.

You can't be serious. Montana is top 3 every year in FCS attendance. And has been one of the best teams in FCS since the 80s.

Montana Attendance Avg

2019 - 22,545
2018 24,677
2017 -23,535
2016 25,377
2015 24,139
2014 23,777
2013 24,380
2012 25,236
2011 24,878
2010 25,448
 

Bull.

JSU has led the FCS in home attendance more than any school since they began counting in 1978...not to mention we led the FCS throughout the 1980s when we ran the SWAC.

Side by side comparison. Notice how Montana never drops below 3. JSU has fallen all the way to 16 before. This is 2019 - 2010. I'm sure if i was too pull more, it would be more of the same

Montana Attendance Avg

2019 - 22,545 #2     JSU 33,762  #1
2018 24,677  #2      JSU 24,677 #1
2017 -23,535 #1      JSU 13,756 #16
2016 25,377 #1       JSU 19,660 #4
2015 24,139 #1       JSU 13,252 #15
2014 23,777 #1       JSU 14,276 #12
2013 24,380 #2       JSU 17,286 #9
2012 25,236 #2       JSU 14,462 #15
2011 24,878 #3       JSU 23,166 #5 
2010 25,448 #2       JSU 24,140 #3


http://www.ncaa.org/championships/statistics/ncaa-football-attendance

 

No, it wouldn't.  Please pull ever record since 1978, not to mention JSU setting the all-time attendance record in 1997 with over 38,000 fans per game.

Again, JSU has led the FCS in home attendance more than any school.

More Data from Same site

03  Montana 23,352 #2              JSU 18196 #6
04  N/A
05  Montana 22479 #1               JSU 14597 #10
06  Montana 22,600 #1              JSU 20,314 #4
07  Montana 22,799 #2              JSU 16,099 #11
08 Montana 23,923 #2               JSU21,263 #4
09 Montana 24,417 #1               JSU 16,334 #10

Now this is 03-09. All the data they have. Again , idk what JSU does. But Montana's number hasn't dropped out of 20k plus yet. But hey.....

We led the nation in 2002, where you conveniently stopped.

Keep going back. :lol:

The website starts in 03. It's the NCAA website. I know you don't believe it's other fanbases in FCS but in the SWAC , but they do exist.

I pull all my data from the NCAA website.

Switching gears, my Metro Charlotte alumni chapter is trying to get Prime and the team up here soon. Yall down?

Up where in Charlotte? Nah. Where would we play , BOA? I don't see Jackson State coming past Atlanta. Makes no sense. Unless u go to DC , but then who are you going to play?
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Ram55 on November 25, 2020, 09:54:33 AM
You rams are a funny group. Bigger than our homecoming...yeah right.  :lmao:

All that talk over the years and the rams take a game on our home field for less money than we offered them to play many years ago.

We never said we would not play a single game in Greensboro. We're not going to come over there every year. This will be a one and done unless you bring those assssssssss to Winston. So don't beg us again to help over fill your stadium. After four years of Big South schools not wanting to come to Greensboro and your fans not wanting to see them anyway, you Aggies will be glade to come to us. At least you'll be able to make some money every other year that you're not in Winston.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: A&T AGGIE 96 on November 25, 2020, 10:19:26 AM
You rams are a funny group. Bigger than our homecoming...yeah right.  :lmao:

All that talk over the years and the rams take a game on our home field for less money than we offered them to play many years ago.

We never said we would not play a single game in Greensboro. We're not going to come over there every year. This will be a one and done unless you bring those assssssssss to Winston. So don't beg us again to help over fill your stadium. After four years of Big South schools not wanting to come to Greensboro and your fans not wanting to see them anyway, you Aggies will be glade to come to us. At least you'll be able to make some money every other year that you're not in Winston.

Ram55 wssu is not doing A&T any favors...the Aggies don't need the rams. You just have to accept that. It's been a decade with no game and we are doing great. We aren't "begging" wssu for anything. We are a D1 program with aspirations of being a FCS power. A&T has moved away from having D2 teams on our schedule let along the same one coming to Greensboro every year. The only way this game is played is if it is by our terms...therefore the rams will play in Greensboro, and wssu will take the payout we offer...and by the looks of things the longer wait, the less we will pay.

It's the rams that have been begging A&T...and central for that matter for games. Since you left the MEAC you been begging to get on the schedule in Durham and Greensboro. I'm glad your administration finally came to it's senses...a deal for $30 plus another $15 in tickets is a good deal for any D2 program.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Decks on November 25, 2020, 10:42:42 AM
If your school is overly dependent upon in game attendance for revenue then you are f...ed. I've been saying it for the last few years as we've watched college football attendance slowly decline and of course that was pre-pandemic. Who knows if and how long it will take to recover? For the short term I doubt if we see any program seating their stadiums beyond 50-70% capacity?
Unfortunately there will be a hangover from Covid-19 and many fans will feel the safest way to watch a game will be from the comforts of home. How will we capture these viewers? That's what we better be concerned about.     
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: DRUMMA1 on November 25, 2020, 11:41:23 AM
Interesting.

Let me ask you Aggies a question: How can A&T improve its attendance? Given the size of Greensboro, its proximity to RDU and Charlotte, and the large amount of African-Americans who reside in NC, why are only 11,000 to 15,000 fans coming to support a juggernaut HBCU program?  I only ask because those ingredients are a recipe for a huge numbers at other schools.

Bro you always seem to think we struggle with attendance? If you look at averages we do better than most hbcu's. Look at 2019 numbers:

1. JSU - 33,762
2. Alabama St - 17,799
3. Southern - 16,957
4. NC A&T - 16,927
5. FAMU - 16,537


Not a nickel worth of difference between A&T, FAMU and Southern?
 

You are comparing your attendance to programs with lackluster seasons.

My point is, for A&T to have such a juggernaut HBCU program located in a region and state with a high number of African-Americans, it should be easy to sellout a 21,500 seat stadium every week. Quiet as its kept, I am inclined to believe most of A&T's figures are based on season ticket sales because I have attended quite a few of those regular games and uhhh...yeah, there aren't 15K in the stands.

Another point you fail to realize is the amount of universities within a 2 hour drive that play football as well both PWI and HBCU. We aren't the only show in the area

UNC
NCSU
Wake
Duke
Charlotte
NCCU
Elon
WSSU
Fayetteville State
Shaw
St Aug
Guilford College
Greensboro College



Here is the problem with that theory:

1. A&T has either had a program longer or an established brand longer than most of the schools in that list.

2. Black people, by in large, are not attending those PWI games. Most of us who from NC grew up as fans of the Aggies or Eagles.

I think you guys have a disconnect with your base.  The support seemed to be much greater in the 90s and 2000s for your home and away games.  I also feel your fans and locals would rather play marquee or rival HBCUs.

No theory. Just stating what else is going on in the area.

I don't get your opinion about this disconnect but it is what it is. Football attendance is down on all levels.

You want to see a GHOE type crowd , each and every game. Not going to happen. Never has. 

We led the MEAC in attendance last year. Regardless of who we play and usually where we play, Aggie fans show up.

Not sure you want out our Fan Base 

With an enrollment over 10,000, a dominant program and established fan base, you guys should fill that stadium every week, man. It only seats 21K.

2 schools in the entire FCS have over 21k average. Jackson State and Montana.

Should put things in prospective. We avg close to 80 stadium capacity for the year. Have no issue where we are. 



You cannot compare the rabid HBCU fanbase to a Montana, especially when college football is more popular in NC.

You can't be serious. Montana is top 3 every year in FCS attendance. And has been one of the best teams in FCS since the 80s.

Montana Attendance Avg

2019 - 22,545
2018 24,677
2017 -23,535
2016 25,377
2015 24,139
2014 23,777
2013 24,380
2012 25,236
2011 24,878
2010 25,448
 

Bull.

JSU has led the FCS in home attendance more than any school since they began counting in 1978...not to mention we led the FCS throughout the 1980s when we ran the SWAC.

Side by side comparison. Notice how Montana never drops below 3. JSU has fallen all the way to 16 before. This is 2019 - 2010. I'm sure if i was too pull more, it would be more of the same

Montana Attendance Avg

2019 - 22,545 #2     JSU 33,762  #1
2018 24,677  #2      JSU 24,677 #1
2017 -23,535 #1      JSU 13,756 #16
2016 25,377 #1       JSU 19,660 #4
2015 24,139 #1       JSU 13,252 #15
2014 23,777 #1       JSU 14,276 #12
2013 24,380 #2       JSU 17,286 #9
2012 25,236 #2       JSU 14,462 #15
2011 24,878 #3       JSU 23,166 #5 
2010 25,448 #2       JSU 24,140 #3


http://www.ncaa.org/championships/statistics/ncaa-football-attendance

 

No, it wouldn't.  Please pull ever record since 1978, not to mention JSU setting the all-time attendance record in 1997 with over 38,000 fans per game.

Again, JSU has led the FCS in home attendance more than any school.

More Data from Same site

03  Montana 23,352 #2              JSU 18196 #6
04  N/A
05  Montana 22479 #1               JSU 14597 #10
06  Montana 22,600 #1              JSU 20,314 #4
07  Montana 22,799 #2              JSU 16,099 #11
08 Montana 23,923 #2               JSU21,263 #4
09 Montana 24,417 #1               JSU 16,334 #10

Now this is 03-09. All the data they have. Again , idk what JSU does. But Montana's number hasn't dropped out of 20k plus yet. But hey.....

We led the nation in 2002, where you conveniently stopped.

Keep going back. :lol:

The website starts in 03. It's the NCAA website. I know you don't believe it's other fanbases in FCS but in the SWAC , but they do exist.

I pull all my data from the NCAA website.

Switching gears, my Metro Charlotte alumni chapter is trying to get Prime and the team up here soon. Yall down?

Up where in Charlotte? Nah. Where would we play , BOA? I don't see Jackson State coming past Atlanta. Makes no sense. Unless u go to DC , but then who are you going to play?

Well, since we have a over 1,000 alumni in the Carolinas, JSU usually has a sports team (baseball, softball, basketball) to play up around these parts each. Our MBB team a had a home-and-home series with NCCU a few years go.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Professor on November 25, 2020, 12:14:52 PM
I just don't see the draw for that game in Charlotte. Maybe JSU vs SCSU.

Atlanta makes more sense to me. It's 4 hours from Charlotte. Huge HBCU alumni base. Deion was a legend with the Falcons. Now he returns as a college coach.

Story just writes itself
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: eagle pride on November 25, 2020, 12:24:45 PM
Most of A&T's attendance come from students attending the games. They have more than 12,000 students and most of them attend their games. They count them even if they don't come to the games, simple because they pay upfront with their student fees. There have been plenty of games where the stadium appear to be empty and they announce 16,000 with only about 8,000 there.

Pure bs. If that was the case then we'd never have attendance under 12k.

When was the last time you reported under 12,000 fans? How many students do you think attend your games? You guys count every student that pays a student fee. At least 9,000 students are included in your attendance count. Your none-student fans aren't that much better than a lot of HBCUs.
I knew it wouldn't be long before ya'll begged for a game with WSSU. By 2024, ya'll will be begging more HBCUs. Basically, you only have about 5,000 paying fans at the gate.



Facts!!!  They always report high attendance when fewer folks show up. 
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: oleschoolaggie on November 25, 2020, 12:25:30 PM
Most of A&T's attendance come from students attending the games. They have more than 12,000 students and most of them attend their games. They count them even if they don't come to the games, simple because they pay upfront with their student fees. There have been plenty of games where the stadium appear to be empty and they announce 16,000 with only about 8,000 there.

I knew it had to be either a student count or season ticket count because I have attended a few games that were empty but were counted as 16k.

I remember attending the 1999 FAMU game in Greensboro and there were over 30,000 fans inside the stadium. Where has the fan support gone, especially from the locals?

that was back in the 90's, ticket prices since then have "skyrocketed"!  no question about it, our high ticket prices have chased a lot of the locals away...
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: oleschoolaggie on November 25, 2020, 12:45:22 PM
Most of A&T's attendance come from students attending the games. They have more than 12,000 students and most of them attend their games. They count them even if they don't come to the games, simple because they pay upfront with their student fees. There have been plenty of games where the stadium appear to be empty and they announce 16,000 with only about 8,000 there.

Pure bs. If that was the case then we'd never have attendance under 12k.

When was the last time you reported under 12,000 fans? How many students do you think attend your games? You guys count every student that pays a student fee. At least 9,000 students are included in your attendance count. Your none-student fans aren't that much better than a lot of HBCUs.
I knew it wouldn't be long before ya'll begged for a game with WSSU. By 2024, ya'll will be begging more HBCUs. Basically, you only have about 5,000 paying fans at the gate.



Facts!!!  They always report high attendance when fewer folks show up. 

jealousy at it's best!!  even jealous of our fanbase!!  but hey, can't say i blame ya'll, especially given that you buzzards haven't even scored just "1 single point" or more against our aggies in well over "8 quarters" of football.

2018 - a&t 45, buzzards "ZERO"!   :lol:
2019 - a&t 54, buzzards "ZERO"!   :lol:

"combined" score over the last 2 games played => a&t 99, buzzards "ZERO"!  :snicker :popcorn::lmao:
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Professor on November 25, 2020, 12:45:58 PM
Most of A&T's attendance come from students attending the games. They have more than 12,000 students and most of them attend their games. They count them even if they don't come to the games, simple because they pay upfront with their student fees. There have been plenty of games where the stadium appear to be empty and they announce 16,000 with only about 8,000 there.

Pure bs. If that was the case then we'd never have attendance under 12k.

When was the last time you reported under 12,000 fans? How many students do you think attend your games? You guys count every student that pays a student fee. At least 9,000 students are included in your attendance count. Your none-student fans aren't that much better than a lot of HBCUs.
I knew it wouldn't be long before ya'll begged for a game with WSSU. By 2024, ya'll will be begging more HBCUs. Basically, you only have about 5,000 paying fans at the gate.



Facts!!!  They always report high attendance when fewer folks show up.

Lol, man here come the birds. So how's attendance in Durham? 
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: eagle pride on November 25, 2020, 12:55:41 PM
We good...^^^ :angel:
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: A&T AGGIE 96 on November 25, 2020, 12:58:01 PM
Most of A&T's attendance come from students attending the games. They have more than 12,000 students and most of them attend their games. They count them even if they don't come to the games, simple because they pay upfront with their student fees. There have been plenty of games where the stadium appear to be empty and they announce 16,000 with only about 8,000 there.

Pure bs. If that was the case then we'd never have attendance under 12k.

When was the last time you reported under 12,000 fans? How many students do you think attend your games? You guys count every student that pays a student fee. At least 9,000 students are included in your attendance count. Your none-student fans aren't that much better than a lot of HBCUs.
I knew it wouldn't be long before ya'll begged for a game with WSSU. By 2024, ya'll will be begging more HBCUs. Basically, you only have about 5,000 paying fans at the gate.



Facts!!!  They always report high attendance when fewer folks show up. 

jealousy at it's best!!  even jealous of our fanbase!!  but hey, can't say i blame ya'll, especially given that you buzzards haven't even scored just "1 single point" or more against our aggies in well over "8 quarters" of football.

2018 - a&t 45, buzzards "ZERO"!   :lol:
2019 - a&t 54, buzzards "ZERO"!   :lol:

"combined" score over the last 2 games played => a&t 99, buzzards "ZERO"!  :snicker :popcorn::lmao:


^^^^THIS^^^^

Why the birds worried about who a-- we kicking in Greensboro. Y'all scheduled the rams as a warm up just like we did...guess we just passing them back and forth.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: eagle pride on November 25, 2020, 08:48:37 PM
Most of A&T's attendance come from students attending the games. They have more than 12,000 students and most of them attend their games. They count them even if they don't come to the games, simple because they pay upfront with their student fees. There have been plenty of games where the stadium appear to be empty and they announce 16,000 with only about 8,000 there.

Pure bs. If that was the case then we'd never have attendance under 12k.

When was the last time you reported under 12,000 fans? How many students do you think attend your games? You guys count every student that pays a student fee. At least 9,000 students are included in your attendance count. Your none-student fans aren't that much better than a lot of HBCUs.
I knew it wouldn't be long before ya'll begged for a game with WSSU. By 2024, ya'll will be begging more HBCUs. Basically, you only have about 5,000 paying fans at the gate.



Facts!!!  They always report high attendance when fewer folks show up. 

jealousy at it's best!!  even jealous of our fanbase!!  but hey, can't say i blame ya'll, especially given that you buzzards haven't even scored just "1 single point" or more against our aggies in well over "8 quarters" of football.

2018 - a&t 45, buzzards "ZERO"!   :lol:
2019 - a&t 54, buzzards "ZERO"!   :lol:

"combined" score over the last 2 games played => a&t 99, buzzards "ZERO"!  :snicker :popcorn::lmao:


^^^^THIS^^^^

Why the birds worried about who a-- we kicking in Greensboro. Y'all scheduled the rams as a warm up just like we did...guess we just passing them back and forth.



We never said that we wouldn't schedule the Rams.  At the first opportunity, we jumped on it.  We miss and want to play them.  Unlike you guys.  Now you are using them to, nevermind. Go Rams! 
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Ram55 on November 26, 2020, 08:25:32 AM
Most of A&T's attendance come from students attending the games. They have more than 12,000 students and most of them attend their games. They count them even if they don't come to the games, simple because they pay upfront with their student fees. There have been plenty of games where the stadium appear to be empty and they announce 16,000 with only about 8,000 there.

Pure bs. If that was the case then we'd never have attendance under 12k.

When was the last time you reported under 12,000 fans? How many students do you think attend your games? You guys count every student that pays a student fee. At least 9,000 students are included in your attendance count. Your none-student fans aren't that much better than a lot of HBCUs.
I knew it wouldn't be long before ya'll begged for a game with WSSU. By 2024, ya'll will be begging more HBCUs. Basically, you only have about 5,000 paying fans at the gate.



Facts!!!  They always report high attendance when fewer folks show up. 

jealousy at it's best!!  even jealous of our fanbase!!  but hey, can't say i blame ya'll, especially given that you buzzards haven't even scored just "1 single point" or more against our aggies in well over "8 quarters" of football.

2018 - a&t 45, buzzards "ZERO"!   :lol:
2019 - a&t 54, buzzards "ZERO"!   :lol:

"combined" score over the last 2 games played => a&t 99, buzzards "ZERO"!  :snicker :popcorn::lmao:


^^^^THIS^^^^

Why the birds worried about who a-- we kicking in Greensboro. Y'all scheduled the rams as a warm up just like we did...guess we just passing them back and forth.

Warmup? We'll see in just a few years. If my memory is correct, WSSU beat both ya'll the last time we played.

Now take away your 9,000,non-paying students that don't really attend the games, you only average about 4,000 -5,000 paying fans. Now playing Big South schools the numbers will be smaller. That's the real reason ya"ll are begging for a game all of a sudden. This is the reason you're paying us more than you'll pay other DIls. You know you'll need us in the future. But News Flash, we ain't playing ya'll but this once. We'll see who has the upper hand now.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: westcoastaggie on November 26, 2020, 08:47:23 AM
You rams are a funny group. Bigger than our homecoming...yeah right.  :lmao:

All that talk over the years and the rams take a game on our home field for less money than we offered them to play many years ago.

We never said we would not play a single game in Greensboro. We're not going to come over there every year. This will be a one and done unless you bring those assssssssss to Winston. So don't beg us again to help over fill your stadium. After four years of Big South schools not wanting to come to Greensboro and your fans not wanting to see them anyway, you Aggies will be glade to come to us. At least you'll be able to make some money every other year that you're not in Winston.

Real questions here:

1. Have you talked to your AD about the financial struggles of the athletics program?

2. Have you heard other Rams complain about the lack of fund raising?
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Decks on November 26, 2020, 10:47:54 AM
You rams are a funny group. Bigger than our homecoming...yeah right.  :lmao:

All that talk over the years and the rams take a game on our home field for less money than we offered them to play many years ago.

We never said we would not play a single game in Greensboro. We're not going to come over there every year. This will be a one and done unless you bring those assssssssss to Winston. So don't beg us again to help over fill your stadium. After four years of Big South schools not wanting to come to Greensboro and your fans not wanting to see them anyway, you Aggies will be glade to come to us. At least you'll be able to make some money every other year that you're not in Winston.

Real questions here:

1. Have you talked to your AD about the financial struggles of the athletics program?

2. Have you heard other Rams complain about the lack of fund raising?

No....he's to focused on what's happening with our programs. In the absence of evidence he tends to just make up crap. Hmmm...sounds familiar. ;D
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Oldschoolram on November 26, 2020, 10:59:35 AM
Good to finally get the game. :clap:

Good deal for A&T. ::)

BAD deal for WSSU. :no:

At least the trash talk has begun! ;D
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: A&T AGGIE 96 on November 26, 2020, 02:25:52 PM
Good to finally get the game. :clap:

Good deal for A&T. ::)

BAD deal for WSSU. :no:

At least the trash talk has begun! ;D


Wait...wait...what? A bad deal for WSSU? How? The rams stand to make around $50K from this deal. That's higher then our standard payout for a D2 school. Did you really think it was going to be "home and home"...or you were gonna get half of the gate at A&T.  :shrug: :crazy:
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: DRUMMA1 on November 26, 2020, 04:45:52 PM
Good to finally get the game. :clap:

Good deal for A&T. ::)

BAD deal for WSSU. :no:

At least the trash talk has begun! ;D


Wait...wait...what? A bad deal for WSSU? How? The rams stand to make around $50K from this deal. That's higher then our standard payout for a D2 school. Did you really think it was going to be "home and home"...or you were gonna get half of the gate at A&T.  :shrug: :crazy:

AAMU and Tuskegee have recently done home-and-home deals and they're hours apart.

For WSSU to be 30 minutes away and have a 20K seat stadium, they are getting ripped off by not having the Aggies return the trip. They could stand to make at least $500K from ticket sales at $25 per ticket.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: westcoastaggie on November 26, 2020, 05:04:52 PM
Good to finally get the game. :clap:

Good deal for A&T. ::)

BAD deal for WSSU. :no:

At least the trash talk has begun! ;D


Wait...wait...what? A bad deal for WSSU? How? The rams stand to make around $50K from this deal. That's higher then our standard payout for a D2 school. Did you really think it was going to be "home and home"...or you were gonna get half of the gate at A&T.  :shrug: :crazy:

AAMU and Tuskegee have recently done home-and-home deals and they're hours apart.

For WSSU to be 30 minutes away and have a 20K seat stadium, they are getting ripped off by not having the Aggies return the trip. They could stand to make at least $500K from ticket sales at $25 per ticket.

Oh well
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Ram55 on November 27, 2020, 01:46:47 PM
The article clearly states that A&T's fan base has been asking their AD for this game. Yet, these Aggies on this forum says it's WSSU that pursued the game. Trust me, when they draw more at this game than anybody else that year,those dogs will bring their butts to WSSU. If not, we won't be coming back to Greensboro. Ya'll will need the money more than us. Just wait until you have a home schedule of Big South schools. And counting students as paid attendance is funny money. The actual 6,000 or less that actually pay ain't enough to off set a Big South schedule.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Decks on November 27, 2020, 02:24:08 PM
The article clearly states that A&T's fan base has been asking their AD for this game. Yet, these Aggies on this forum says it's WSSU that pursued the game. Trust me, when they draw more at this game than anybody else that year,those dogs will bring their butts to WSSU. If not, we won't be coming back to Greensboro. Ya'll will need the money more than us. Just wait until you have a home schedule of Big South schools. And counting students as paid attendance is funny money. The actual 6,000 or less that actually pay ain't enough to off set a Big South schedule.

Man let it go. We have other options. We can pick up an fbs as an alternative.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: A&T AGGIE 96 on November 27, 2020, 03:36:22 PM
55 is a special case...we haven’t played the rams in a decade, and aren’t scheduled to play them for another 4 years. We aren’t begging anyone for anything.

What is this guys obsession with A&T.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Ram55 on November 27, 2020, 06:07:52 PM
55 is a special case...we haven’t played the rams in a decade, and aren’t scheduled to play them for another 4 years. We aren’t begging anyone for anything.

What is this guys obsession with A&T.
From reading the article, it appears ya'll are obsessed in playing us. Or maybe you can't read. Its only the few Aggies on this forum that claims you don't want a game. I guarantee that all ya'll would be the first in line to get a ticket. You would circle two or three games on your schedule and WSSU has been one of them. The fat that both stadium are sellouts proves my point. So keep acting dumb.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: westcoastaggie on November 27, 2020, 06:52:24 PM
55 is a special case...we haven’t played the rams in a decade, and aren’t scheduled to play them for another 4 years. We aren’t begging anyone for anything.

What is this guys obsession with A&T.
From reading the article, it appears ya'll are obsessed in playing us. Or maybe you can't read. Its only the few Aggies on this forum that claims you don't want a game. I guarantee that all ya'll would be the first in line to get a ticket. You would circle two or three games on your schedule and WSSU has been one of them. The fat that both stadium are sellouts proves my point. So keep acting dumb.

Translation: Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.  :tongue2:
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: JBROB on November 28, 2020, 05:38:38 AM
Negotiating like PWIs is not a good or healthy idea. If Shaw University would have thought that way in 1891 there would likely be no NC A&T. Coach Cal Irvin and Coach Bighouse Gaines use to travel together on recruiting trips. Negotiating in good faith benefits everyone. I'm not sure what A&T gains in the long run by not playing Home and Home with WSSU.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: westcoastaggie on November 28, 2020, 07:40:13 AM
Negotiating like PWIs is not a good or healthy idea. If Shaw University would have thought that way in 1891 there would likely be no NC A&T. Coach Cal Irvin and Coach Bighouse Gaines use to travel together on recruiting trips. Negotiating in good faith benefits everyone. I'm not sure what A&T gains in the long run by not playing Home and Home with WSSU.

Good faith is what we’re paying out and not unnecessarily giving up a home gate in lieu of playing WSSU in Winston.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: JBROB on November 28, 2020, 09:08:09 AM
Negotiating like PWIs is not a good or healthy idea. If Shaw University would have thought that way in 1891 there would likely be no NC A&T. Coach Cal Irvin and Coach Bighouse Gaines use to travel together on recruiting trips. Negotiating in good faith benefits everyone. I'm not sure what A&T gains in the long run by not playing Home and Home with WSSU.

Good faith is what we’re paying out and not unnecessarily giving up a home gate in lieu of playing WSSU in Winston.

Greed is not a good look either.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: westcoastaggie on November 28, 2020, 10:10:51 AM
Negotiating like PWIs is not a good or healthy idea. If Shaw University would have thought that way in 1891 there would likely be no NC A&T. Coach Cal Irvin and Coach Bighouse Gaines use to travel together on recruiting trips. Negotiating in good faith benefits everyone. I'm not sure what A&T gains in the long run by not playing Home and Home with WSSU.

Good faith is what we’re paying out and not unnecessarily giving up a home gate in lieu of playing WSSU in Winston.

Greed is not a good look either.

That’s not greed. In fact, I’ll put it like this; we’ll travel to winston to play at Bowman-Gray when App, Charlotte, and ECU travel to play us in Truist Stadium.

WSSU doesn’t have the same level of expenses A&T has due to being D2, just as we don’t have the same expenses as FBS schools.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: JBROB on November 28, 2020, 10:23:13 AM
Negotiating like PWIs is not a good or healthy idea. If Shaw University would have thought that way in 1891 there would likely be no NC A&T. Coach Cal Irvin and Coach Bighouse Gaines use to travel together on recruiting trips. Negotiating in good faith benefits everyone. I'm not sure what A&T gains in the long run by not playing Home and Home with WSSU.

Good faith is what we’re paying out and not unnecessarily giving up a home gate in lieu of playing WSSU in Winston.

Greed is not a good look either.

That’s not greed. In fact, I’ll put it like this; we’ll travel to winston to play at Bowman-Gray when App, Charlotte, and ECU travel to play us in Truist Stadium.

WSSU doesn’t have the same level of expenses A&T has due to being D2, just as we don’t have the same expenses as FBS schools.

We shouldn't think like a PWI.

We can agree to disagree.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Ram55 on November 28, 2020, 10:32:07 AM
Negotiating like PWIs is not a good or healthy idea. If Shaw University would have thought that way in 1891 there would likely be no NC A&T. Coach Cal Irvin and Coach Bighouse Gaines use to travel together on recruiting trips. Negotiating in good faith benefits everyone. I'm not sure what A&T gains in the long run by not playing Home and Home with WSSU.

Good faith is what we’re paying out and not unnecessarily giving up a home gate in lieu of playing WSSU in Winston.

Greed is not a good look either.

That’s not greed. In fact, I’ll put it like this; we’ll travel to winston to play at Bowman-Gray when App, Charlotte, and ECU travel to play us in Truist Stadium.

WSSU doesn’t have the same level of expenses A&T has due to being D2, just as we don’t have the same expenses as FBS schools.

We shouldn't think like a PWI.

We can agree to disagree.

Some people will never understand. Some of us want to be like "them" no matter what. But " them" doesn't what us. Good faith is a virtue that most HBCUs fana understand... so does most Aggies. This virtue comes from us knowing our past and where we are headed.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Decks on November 28, 2020, 11:13:52 AM
Negotiating like PWIs is not a good or healthy idea. If Shaw University would have thought that way in 1891 there would likely be no NC A&T. Coach Cal Irvin and Coach Bighouse Gaines use to travel together on recruiting trips. Negotiating in good faith benefits everyone. I'm not sure what A&T gains in the long run by not playing Home and Home with WSSU.

Good faith is what we’re paying out and not unnecessarily giving up a home gate in lieu of playing WSSU in Winston.

Greed is not a good look either.

Home and home would be an unequitable split in their favor. There's a reason you rarely see FCS travel to D2 or FBS travel to FCS. It simply cost us more to put a team on the field than it does for a D2. Consider these disparities.

*We have to fund a max of 63 scholarships while they have to fund a max of 32
*Our transportation cost are higher
*We have to pay more in coaches salaries. We have 11 coaches and they have 5
*DI has to fund more in womens scholarships due to Title IX
*As a DI institution we're required to carry more sports than D2. They sponsor 11 sports and we sponsor 17.


Overall it would be bad business to do a Home and Home with any D2 school. If that's what wssu wants then they should return to DI. There's a reason we have one of the most profitable programs in fcs and that's partly because we don't get caught up in making emotional decisions. 

Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: JBROB on November 28, 2020, 02:30:30 PM
Negotiating like PWIs is not a good or healthy idea. If Shaw University would have thought that way in 1891 there would likely be no NC A&T. Coach Cal Irvin and Coach Bighouse Gaines use to travel together on recruiting trips. Negotiating in good faith benefits everyone. I'm not sure what A&T gains in the long run by not playing Home and Home with WSSU.

Good faith is what we’re paying out and not unnecessarily giving up a home gate in lieu of playing WSSU in Winston.

Greed is not a good look either.

Home and home would be an unequitable split in their favor. There's a reason you rarely see FCS travel to D2 or FBS travel to FCS. It simply cost us more to put a team on the field than it does for a D2. Consider these disparities.

*We have to fund a max of 63 scholarships while they have to fund a max of 32
*Our transportation cost are higher
*We have to pay more in coaches salaries. We have 11 coaches and they have 5
*DI has to fund more in womens scholarships due to Title IX
*As a DI institution we're required to carry more sports than D2. They sponsor 11 sports and we sponsor 17.


Overall it would be bad business to do a Home and Home with any D2 school. If that's what wssu wants then they should return to DI. There's a reason we have one of the most profitable programs in fcs and that's partly because we don't get caught up in making emotional decisions.

These decisions are above my pay grade. But I think we have to look at things beyond ticket sales. Recruiting events, alumni events, sponsor events, etc
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Professor on November 30, 2020, 07:47:53 AM
Good to finally get the game. :clap:

Good deal for A&T. ::)

BAD deal for WSSU. :no:

At least the trash talk has begun! ;D



Wait...wait...what? A bad deal for WSSU? How? The rams stand to make around $50K from this deal. That's higher then our standard payout for a D2 school. Did you really think it was going to be "home and home"...or you were gonna get half of the gate at A&T.  :shrug: :crazy:

AAMU and Tuskegee have recently done home-and-home deals and they're hours apart.

For WSSU to be 30 minutes away and have a 20K seat stadium, they are getting ripped off by not having the Aggies return the trip. They could stand to make at least $500K from ticket sales at $25 per ticket.

From what i can find, AA&M and Tuskegee did a 4 year deal..... 2 at AA&M , 1 at a neutral site and 1 at WSSU

WSSU doesn't make that much on ANY GAME, so why should they pimp us. lol.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Professor on November 30, 2020, 07:49:51 AM
Negotiating like PWIs is not a good or healthy idea. If Shaw University would have thought that way in 1891 there would likely be no NC A&T. Coach Cal Irvin and Coach Bighouse Gaines use to travel together on recruiting trips. Negotiating in good faith benefits everyone. I'm not sure what A&T gains in the long run by not playing Home and Home with WSSU.

Good faith is what we’re paying out and not unnecessarily giving up a home gate in lieu of playing WSSU in Winston.

Greed is not a good look either.

Home and home would be an unequitable split in their favor. There's a reason you rarely see FCS travel to D2 or FBS travel to FCS. It simply cost us more to put a team on the field than it does for a D2. Consider these disparities.

*We have to fund a max of 63 scholarships while they have to fund a max of 32
*Our transportation cost are higher
*We have to pay more in coaches salaries. We have 11 coaches and they have 5
*DI has to fund more in womens scholarships due to Title IX
*As a DI institution we're required to carry more sports than D2. They sponsor 11 sports and we sponsor 17.


Overall it would be bad business to do a Home and Home with any D2 school. If that's what wssu wants then they should return to DI. There's a reason we have one of the most profitable programs in fcs and that's partly because we don't get caught up in making emotional decisions.

 :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: ‘87 Alum on November 30, 2020, 08:39:12 AM
Oh crap...we have to endure 4 years of this sh!t....just play da damn game already.....
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: westcoastaggie on November 30, 2020, 09:10:22 AM
Oh crap...we have to endure 4 years of this sh!t....just play da damn game already.....

Exactly!
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: DRUMMA1 on November 30, 2020, 11:27:40 AM
Good to finally get the game. :clap:

Good deal for A&T. ::)

BAD deal for WSSU. :no:

At least the trash talk has begun! ;D



Wait...wait...what? A bad deal for WSSU? How? The rams stand to make around $50K from this deal. That's higher then our standard payout for a D2 school. Did you really think it was going to be "home and home"...or you were gonna get half of the gate at A&T.  :shrug: :crazy:

AAMU and Tuskegee have recently done home-and-home deals and they're hours apart.

For WSSU to be 30 minutes away and have a 20K seat stadium, they are getting ripped off by not having the Aggies return the trip. They could stand to make at least $500K from ticket sales at $25 per ticket.

From what i can find, AA&M and Tuskegee did a 4 year deal..... 2 at AA&M , 1 at a neutral site and 1 at WSSU

WSSU doesn't make that much on ANY GAME, so why should they pimp us. lol.

Aside from your Homecoming and NCCU, neither do yall.

If AAMU and Tuskegee can have a home-and-home series, clearly yall can, too, especially since both of your stadiums are the same size.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: westcoastaggie on November 30, 2020, 11:47:52 AM
Good to finally get the game. :clap:

Good deal for A&T. ::)

BAD deal for WSSU. :no:

At least the trash talk has begun! ;D



Wait...wait...what? A bad deal for WSSU? How? The rams stand to make around $50K from this deal. That's higher then our standard payout for a D2 school. Did you really think it was going to be "home and home"...or you were gonna get half of the gate at A&T.  :shrug: :crazy:

AAMU and Tuskegee have recently done home-and-home deals and they're hours apart.

For WSSU to be 30 minutes away and have a 20K seat stadium, they are getting ripped off by not having the Aggies return the trip. They could stand to make at least $500K from ticket sales at $25 per ticket.

From what i can find, AA&M and Tuskegee did a 4 year deal..... 2 at AA&M , 1 at a neutral site and 1 at WSSU

WSSU doesn't make that much on ANY GAME, so why should they pimp us. lol.

Aside from your Homecoming and NCCU, neither do yall.

If AAMU and Tuskegee can have a home-and-home series, clearly yall can, too, especially since both of your stadiums are the same size.

Just agree to disagree here.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Ram55 on November 30, 2020, 11:55:14 AM
Good to finally get the game. :clap:

Good deal for A&T. ::)

BAD deal for WSSU. :no:

At least the trash talk has begun! ;D



Wait...wait...what? A bad deal for WSSU? How? The rams stand to make around $50K from this deal. That's higher then our standard payout for a D2 school. Did you really think it was going to be "home and home"...or you were gonna get half of the gate at A&T.  :shrug: :crazy:

AAMU and Tuskegee have recently done home-and-home deals and they're hours apart.

For WSSU to be 30 minutes away and have a 20K seat stadium, they are getting ripped off by not having the Aggies return the trip. They could stand to make at least $500K from ticket sales at $25 per ticket.

From what i can find, AA&M and Tuskegee did a 4 year deal..... 2 at AA&M , 1 at a neutral site and 1 at WSSU

WSSU doesn't make that much on ANY GAME, so why should they pimp us. lol.

Aside from your Homecoming and NCCU, neither do yall.

If AAMU and Tuskegee can have a home-and-home series, clearly yall can, too, especially since both of your stadiums are the same size.

You could also argue that the WSSU game is just as big for the fans as the NCCU game.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Jay_Thomas on November 30, 2020, 02:17:58 PM
Oh crap...we have to endure 4 years of this sh!t....just play da damn game already.....



 :lmao:
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: punchy on November 30, 2020, 07:14:21 PM
Good to finally get the game. :clap:

Good deal for A&T. ::)

BAD deal for WSSU. :no:

At least the trash talk has begun! ;D



Wait...wait...what? A bad deal for WSSU? How? The rams stand to make around $50K from this deal. That's higher then our standard payout for a D2 school. Did you really think it was going to be "home and home"...or you were gonna get half of the gate at A&T.  :shrug: :crazy:

AAMU and Tuskegee have recently done home-and-home deals and they're hours apart.

For WSSU to be 30 minutes away and have a 20K seat stadium, they are getting ripped off by not having the Aggies return the trip. They could stand to make at least $500K from ticket sales at $25 per ticket.

From what i can find, AA&M and Tuskegee did a 4 year deal..... 2 at AA&M , 1 at a neutral site and 1 at WSSU

WSSU doesn't make that much on ANY GAME, so why should they pimp us. lol.

Aside from your Homecoming and NCCU, neither do yall.

If AAMU and Tuskegee can have a home-and-home series, clearly yall can, too, especially since both of your stadiums are the same size.

If you were the AD at JSU, would you agree to do a home-home with D2 Miles or Tuskegee? Why or why not?
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: DRUMMA1 on November 30, 2020, 07:23:57 PM
Good to finally get the game. :clap:

Good deal for A&T. ::)

BAD deal for WSSU. :no:

At least the trash talk has begun! ;D



Wait...wait...what? A bad deal for WSSU? How? The rams stand to make around $50K from this deal. That's higher then our standard payout for a D2 school. Did you really think it was going to be "home and home"...or you were gonna get half of the gate at A&T.  :shrug: :crazy:

AAMU and Tuskegee have recently done home-and-home deals and they're hours apart.

For WSSU to be 30 minutes away and have a 20K seat stadium, they are getting ripped off by not having the Aggies return the trip. They could stand to make at least $500K from ticket sales at $25 per ticket.

From what i can find, AA&M and Tuskegee did a 4 year deal..... 2 at AA&M , 1 at a neutral site and 1 at WSSU

WSSU doesn't make that much on ANY GAME, so why should they pimp us. lol.

Aside from your Homecoming and NCCU, neither do yall.

If AAMU and Tuskegee can have a home-and-home series, clearly yall can, too, especially since both of your stadiums are the same size.

If you were the AD at JSU, would you agree to do a home-home with D2 Miles or Tuskegee? Why or why not?

With an out of state HBCU, nah.

If Tougaloo had a team and had a 30K seat stadium, I wouldn't have a problem with it. I'm all about supporting smaller HBCUs. For WSSU, $50k every year is way less than $500K every other year.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: punchy on November 30, 2020, 08:55:46 PM
Good to finally get the game. :clap:

Good deal for A&T. ::)

BAD deal for WSSU. :no:

At least the trash talk has begun! ;D



Wait...wait...what? A bad deal for WSSU? How? The rams stand to make around $50K from this deal. That's higher then our standard payout for a D2 school. Did you really think it was going to be "home and home"...or you were gonna get half of the gate at A&T.  :shrug: :crazy:

AAMU and Tuskegee have recently done home-and-home deals and they're hours apart.

For WSSU to be 30 minutes away and have a 20K seat stadium, they are getting ripped off by not having the Aggies return the trip. They could stand to make at least $500K from ticket sales at $25 per ticket.

From what i can find, AA&M and Tuskegee did a 4 year deal..... 2 at AA&M , 1 at a neutral site and 1 at WSSU

WSSU doesn't make that much on ANY GAME, so why should they pimp us. lol.

Aside from your Homecoming and NCCU, neither do yall.

If AAMU and Tuskegee can have a home-and-home series, clearly yall can, too, especially since both of your stadiums are the same size.

If you were the AD at JSU, would you agree to do a home-home with D2 Miles or Tuskegee? Why or why not?

With an out of state HBCU, nah.

If Tougaloo had a team and had a 30K seat stadium, I wouldn't have a problem with it. I'm all about supporting smaller HBCUs. For WSSU, $50k every year is way less than $500K every other year.

Since it does cost more to put an FCS on the field than it does a D2, why should the FCS stand to lose that amount of dollars by going to a D2?
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: DRUMMA1 on November 30, 2020, 10:01:09 PM
Good to finally get the game. :clap:

Good deal for A&T. ::)

BAD deal for WSSU. :no:

At least the trash talk has begun! ;D



Wait...wait...what? A bad deal for WSSU? How? The rams stand to make around $50K from this deal. That's higher then our standard payout for a D2 school. Did you really think it was going to be "home and home"...or you were gonna get half of the gate at A&T.  :shrug: :crazy:

AAMU and Tuskegee have recently done home-and-home deals and they're hours apart.

For WSSU to be 30 minutes away and have a 20K seat stadium, they are getting ripped off by not having the Aggies return the trip. They could stand to make at least $500K from ticket sales at $25 per ticket.

From what i can find, AA&M and Tuskegee did a 4 year deal..... 2 at AA&M , 1 at a neutral site and 1 at WSSU

WSSU doesn't make that much on ANY GAME, so why should they pimp us. lol.

Aside from your Homecoming and NCCU, neither do yall.

If AAMU and Tuskegee can have a home-and-home series, clearly yall can, too, especially since both of your stadiums are the same size.

If you were the AD at JSU, would you agree to do a home-home with D2 Miles or Tuskegee? Why or why not?

With an out of state HBCU, nah.

If Tougaloo had a team and had a 30K seat stadium, I wouldn't have a problem with it. I'm all about supporting smaller HBCUs. For WSSU, $50k every year is way less than $500K every other year.

Since it does cost more to put an FCS on the field than it does a D2, why should the FCS stand to lose that amount of dollars by going to a D2?

Aside from scholarships, how will it cost more to drive 30 minutes to WSSU?
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: eagle pride on November 30, 2020, 10:26:34 PM
Good to finally get the game. :clap:

Good deal for A&T. ::)

BAD deal for WSSU. :no:

At least the trash talk has begun! ;D



Wait...wait...what? A bad deal for WSSU? How? The rams stand to make around $50K from this deal. That's higher then our standard payout for a D2 school. Did you really think it was going to be "home and home"...or you were gonna get half of the gate at A&T.  :shrug: :crazy:

AAMU and Tuskegee have recently done home-and-home deals and they're hours apart.

For WSSU to be 30 minutes away and have a 20K seat stadium, they are getting ripped off by not having the Aggies return the trip. They could stand to make at least $500K from ticket sales at $25 per ticket.

From what i can find, AA&M and Tuskegee did a 4 year deal..... 2 at AA&M , 1 at a neutral site and 1 at WSSU

WSSU doesn't make that much on ANY GAME, so why should they pimp us. lol.

Aside from your Homecoming and NCCU, neither do yall.

If AAMU and Tuskegee can have a home-and-home series, clearly yall can, too, especially since both of your stadiums are the same size.

If you were the AD at JSU, would you agree to do a home-home with D2 Miles or Tuskegee? Why or why not?

With an out of state HBCU, nah.

If Tougaloo had a team and had a 30K seat stadium, I wouldn't have a problem with it. I'm all about supporting smaller HBCUs. For WSSU, $50k every year is way less than $500K every other year.

Since it does cost more to put an FCS on the field than it does a D2, why should the FCS stand to lose that amount of dollars by going to a D2?

Aside from scholarships, how will it cost more to drive 30 minutes to WSSU?



You don't get the gate for a non-conference game.  That could be a big loss.  You want your non-conference games to be at home or a money game.  Just my thoughts. 
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: DRUMMA1 on November 30, 2020, 11:48:17 PM
Good to finally get the game. :clap:

Good deal for A&T. ::)

BAD deal for WSSU. :no:

At least the trash talk has begun! ;D



Wait...wait...what? A bad deal for WSSU? How? The rams stand to make around $50K from this deal. That's higher then our standard payout for a D2 school. Did you really think it was going to be "home and home"...or you were gonna get half of the gate at A&T.  :shrug: :crazy:

AAMU and Tuskegee have recently done home-and-home deals and they're hours apart.

For WSSU to be 30 minutes away and have a 20K seat stadium, they are getting ripped off by not having the Aggies return the trip. They could stand to make at least $500K from ticket sales at $25 per ticket.

From what i can find, AA&M and Tuskegee did a 4 year deal..... 2 at AA&M , 1 at a neutral site and 1 at WSSU

WSSU doesn't make that much on ANY GAME, so why should they pimp us. lol.

Aside from your Homecoming and NCCU, neither do yall.

If AAMU and Tuskegee can have a home-and-home series, clearly yall can, too, especially since both of your stadiums are the same size.

If you were the AD at JSU, would you agree to do a home-home with D2 Miles or Tuskegee? Why or why not?

With an out of state HBCU, nah.

If Tougaloo had a team and had a 30K seat stadium, I wouldn't have a problem with it. I'm all about supporting smaller HBCUs. For WSSU, $50k every year is way less than $500K every other year.

Since it does cost more to put an FCS on the field than it does a D2, why should the FCS stand to lose that amount of dollars by going to a D2?

Aside from scholarships, how will it cost more to drive 30 minutes to WSSU?



You don't get the gate for a non-conference game.  That could be a big loss.  You want your non-conference games to be at home or a money game.  Just my thoughts. 

Understandable but that could easily be recouped if the AD schedules a team fans want to see. If NCAT played TnSU in Greensboro a week later, that game would be packed.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: aggie law on December 01, 2020, 07:49:51 AM
Drumma, we let them beg back in.....you get what you get.... :tiptoe: ;)

Shaw/Mars Hill/VUL is right down the street. :popcorn:
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Ram55 on December 01, 2020, 09:35:27 AM
Drumma, we let them beg back in.....you get what you get.... :tiptoe: ;)

Shaw/Mars Hill/VUL is right down the street. :popcorn:

There is no question, A&T will be at WSSU in 2025. They will never pass on an guarantee sellout every two years. In fact, WSSU is the team that most Aggie fans want to see... more than anybody else with maybe the exception of NCCU. The only reason their homecoming is bigger is because its homecoming, and everyone goes to homecoming regardless of who they play.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Professor on December 01, 2020, 09:51:10 AM
Drumma, we let them beg back in.....you get what you get.... :tiptoe: ;)

Shaw/Mars Hill/VUL is right down the street. :popcorn:

There is no question, A&T will be at WSSU in 2025. They will never pass on an guarantee sellout every two years. In fact, WSSU is the team that most Aggie fans want to see... more than anybody else with maybe the exception of NCCU. The only reason their homecoming is bigger is because its homecoming, and everyone goes to homecoming regardless of who they play.

The only way A&T returns to Winston is if WSSU becomes a FCS school. Other than that , we won't be there.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: A&T AGGIE 96 on December 01, 2020, 11:31:17 AM
Drumma, we let them beg back in.....you get what you get.... :tiptoe: ;)

Shaw/Mars Hill/VUL is right down the street. :popcorn:

There is no question, A&T will be at WSSU in 2025. They will never pass on an guarantee sellout every two years. In fact, WSSU is the team that most Aggie fans want to see... more than anybody else with maybe the exception of NCCU. The only reason their homecoming is bigger is because its homecoming, and everyone goes to homecoming regardless of who they play.

You a funny dude Ram55  :lmao:

It's been a decade...and we still have to wait 4 more years before the game at A&T in 2024, and you are talking about what A&T will do...what the Aggies won't pass on, what Aggie fans want to see.

It's so sad to see the once proud rams begging for home games. If the rams want home games with A&T you need to move back to FCS, otherwise see you in Greensboro.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Professor on December 01, 2020, 11:37:36 AM
Drumma, we let them beg back in.....you get what you get.... :tiptoe: ;)

Shaw/Mars Hill/VUL is right down the street. :popcorn:

And cheaper
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: punchy on December 01, 2020, 11:54:40 AM
Drumma, we let them beg back in.....you get what you get.... :tiptoe: ;)

Shaw/Mars Hill/VUL is right down the street. :popcorn:

There is no question, A&T will be at WSSU in 2025. They will never pass on an guarantee sellout every two years. In fact, WSSU is the team that most Aggie fans want to see... more than anybody else with maybe the exception of NCCU. The only reason their homecoming is bigger is because its homecoming, and everyone goes to homecoming regardless of who they play.

Soooooooo WSSU is gonna give A&T the control of the gate if A&T agrees to play WSSU @ WSSU? :shrug:
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: JBROB on December 01, 2020, 12:10:02 PM
Drumma, we let them beg back in.....you get what you get.... :tiptoe: ;)

Shaw/Mars Hill/VUL is right down the street. :popcorn:

And cheaper

I'm not saying that you are wrong. Which game will help you recruit more students and be sound financially?
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Professor on December 01, 2020, 12:32:12 PM
Drumma, we let them beg back in.....you get what you get.... :tiptoe: ;)

Shaw/Mars Hill/VUL is right down the street. :popcorn:

There is no question, A&T will be at WSSU in 2025. They will never pass on an guarantee sellout every two years. In fact, WSSU is the team that most Aggie fans want to see... more than anybody else with maybe the exception of NCCU. The only reason their homecoming is bigger is because its homecoming, and everyone goes to homecoming regardless of who they play.

Soooooooo WSSU is gonna give A&T the control of the gate if A&T agrees to play WSSU @ WSSU? :shrug:

Bwahaha right. Crazy stuff like this is why we stopped in the 1st place. We offered them 50k and was prepared to go to 60k. Their counter was they wanted 50/50 gate. And we said thanks but no thanks.

I've said it once and i will say it again. WSSU has no leverage in this situation. We shall play them when it is advantageous for A&T 
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Professor on December 01, 2020, 12:35:03 PM
Good to finally get the game. :clap:

Good deal for A&T. ::)

BAD deal for WSSU. :no:

At least the trash talk has begun! ;D



Wait...wait...what? A bad deal for WSSU? How? The rams stand to make around $50K from this deal. That's higher then our standard payout for a D2 school. Did you really think it was going to be "home and home"...or you were gonna get half of the gate at A&T.  :shrug: :crazy:

AAMU and Tuskegee have recently done home-and-home deals and they're hours apart.

For WSSU to be 30 minutes away and have a 20K seat stadium, they are getting ripped off by not having the Aggies return the trip. They could stand to make at least $500K from ticket sales at $25 per ticket.

From what i can find, AA&M and Tuskegee did a 4 year deal..... 2 at AA&M , 1 at a neutral site and 1 at WSSU

WSSU doesn't make that much on ANY GAME, so why should they pimp us. lol.

Aside from your Homecoming and NCCU, neither do yall.

If AAMU and Tuskegee can have a home-and-home series, clearly yall can, too, especially since both of your stadiums are the same size.

If you were the AD at JSU, would you agree to do a home-home with D2 Miles or Tuskegee? Why or why not?

With an out of state HBCU, nah.

If Tougaloo had a team and had a 30K seat stadium, I wouldn't have a problem with it. I'm all about supporting smaller HBCUs. For WSSU, $50k every year is way less than $500K every other year.

Since it does cost more to put an FCS on the field than it does a D2, why should the FCS stand to lose that amount of dollars by going to a D2?

Aside from scholarships, how will it cost more to drive 30 minutes to WSSU?



You don't get the gate for a non-conference game.  That could be a big loss.  You want your non-conference games to be at home or a money game.  Just my thoughts. 

Understandable but that could easily be recouped if the AD schedules a team fans want to see. If NCAT played TnSU in Greensboro a week later, that game would be packed.

No one in Greensboro cares about TSU. The band maybe , but football wise nah.

The only schools i could see packing out Aggie Stadium would be Southern or Jackson State. And that would be strictly because people have never seen those bands in Greensboro and they have a national profile in the band world
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Ram55 on December 01, 2020, 12:49:59 PM
Good to finally get the game. :clap:

Good deal for A&T. ::)

BAD deal for WSSU. :no:

At least the trash talk has begun! ;D



Wait...wait...what? A bad deal for WSSU? How? The rams stand to make around $50K from this deal. That's higher then our standard payout for a D2 school. Did you really think it was going to be "home and home"...or you were gonna get half of the gate at A&T.  :shrug: :crazy:

AAMU and Tuskegee have recently done home-and-home deals and they're hours apart.

For WSSU to be 30 minutes away and have a 20K seat stadium, they are getting ripped off by not having the Aggies return the trip. They could stand to make at least $500K from ticket sales at $25 per ticket.

From what i can find, AA&M and Tuskegee did a 4 year deal..... 2 at AA&M , 1 at a neutral site and 1 at WSSU

WSSU doesn't make that much on ANY GAME, so why should they pimp us. lol.

Aside from your Homecoming and NCCU, neither do yall.

If AAMU and Tuskegee can have a home-and-home series, clearly yall can, too, especially since both of your stadiums are the same size.

If you were the AD at JSU, would you agree to do a home-home with D2 Miles or Tuskegee? Why or why not?

With an out of state HBCU, nah.

If Tougaloo had a team and had a 30K seat stadium, I wouldn't have a problem with it. I'm all about supporting smaller HBCUs. For WSSU, $50k every year is way less than $500K every other year.

Since it does cost more to put an FCS on the field than it does a D2, why should the FCS stand to lose that amount of dollars by going to a D2?

Aside from scholarships, how will it cost more to drive 30 minutes to WSSU?



You don't get the gate for a non-conference game.  That could be a big loss.  You want your non-conference games to be at home or a money game.  Just my thoughts. 

Understandable but that could easily be recouped if the AD schedules a team fans want to see. If NCAT played TnSU in Greensboro a week later, that game would be packed.

No one in Greensboro cares about TSU. The band maybe , but football wise nah.

The only schools i could see packing out Aggie Stadium would be Southern or Jackson State.[/size][/s] WSSU. And that would be strictly because people have never seen those bands in Greensboro and they have a national profile in the band world

Hade to fix that for you.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: DRUMMA1 on December 01, 2020, 01:18:08 PM
Good to finally get the game. :clap:

Good deal for A&T. ::)

BAD deal for WSSU. :no:

At least the trash talk has begun! ;D



Wait...wait...what? A bad deal for WSSU? How? The rams stand to make around $50K from this deal. That's higher then our standard payout for a D2 school. Did you really think it was going to be "home and home"...or you were gonna get half of the gate at A&T.  :shrug: :crazy:

AAMU and Tuskegee have recently done home-and-home deals and they're hours apart.

For WSSU to be 30 minutes away and have a 20K seat stadium, they are getting ripped off by not having the Aggies return the trip. They could stand to make at least $500K from ticket sales at $25 per ticket.

From what i can find, AA&M and Tuskegee did a 4 year deal..... 2 at AA&M , 1 at a neutral site and 1 at WSSU

WSSU doesn't make that much on ANY GAME, so why should they pimp us. lol.

Aside from your Homecoming and NCCU, neither do yall.

If AAMU and Tuskegee can have a home-and-home series, clearly yall can, too, especially since both of your stadiums are the same size.

If you were the AD at JSU, would you agree to do a home-home with D2 Miles or Tuskegee? Why or why not?

With an out of state HBCU, nah.

If Tougaloo had a team and had a 30K seat stadium, I wouldn't have a problem with it. I'm all about supporting smaller HBCUs. For WSSU, $50k every year is way less than $500K every other year.

Since it does cost more to put an FCS on the field than it does a D2, why should the FCS stand to lose that amount of dollars by going to a D2?

Aside from scholarships, how will it cost more to drive 30 minutes to WSSU?



You don't get the gate for a non-conference game.  That could be a big loss.  You want your non-conference games to be at home or a money game.  Just my thoughts. 

Understandable but that could easily be recouped if the AD schedules a team fans want to see. If NCAT played TnSU in Greensboro a week later, that game would be packed.

No one in Greensboro cares about TSU. The band maybe , but football wise nah.

The only schools i could see packing out Aggie Stadium would be Southern or Jackson State. And that would be strictly because people have never seen those bands in Greensboro and they have a national profile in the band world

Tennessee State has a very large alumni chapter here in Charlotte and also has a large base between Virginia and NC.

Your fan base, including those locals, would come out for a premier HBCU. That AD of your is going to kill your fan base.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Professor on December 01, 2020, 01:56:14 PM
Good to finally get the game. :clap:

Good deal for A&T. ::)

BAD deal for WSSU. :no:

At least the trash talk has begun! ;D



Wait...wait...what? A bad deal for WSSU? How? The rams stand to make around $50K from this deal. That's higher then our standard payout for a D2 school. Did you really think it was going to be "home and home"...or you were gonna get half of the gate at A&T.  :shrug: :crazy:

AAMU and Tuskegee have recently done home-and-home deals and they're hours apart.

For WSSU to be 30 minutes away and have a 20K seat stadium, they are getting ripped off by not having the Aggies return the trip. They could stand to make at least $500K from ticket sales at $25 per ticket.

From what i can find, AA&M and Tuskegee did a 4 year deal..... 2 at AA&M , 1 at a neutral site and 1 at WSSU

WSSU doesn't make that much on ANY GAME, so why should they pimp us. lol.

Aside from your Homecoming and NCCU, neither do yall.

If AAMU and Tuskegee can have a home-and-home series, clearly yall can, too, especially since both of your stadiums are the same size.

If you were the AD at JSU, would you agree to do a home-home with D2 Miles or Tuskegee? Why or why not?

With an out of state HBCU, nah.

If Tougaloo had a team and had a 30K seat stadium, I wouldn't have a problem with it. I'm all about supporting smaller HBCUs. For WSSU, $50k every year is way less than $500K every other year.

Since it does cost more to put an FCS on the field than it does a D2, why should the FCS stand to lose that amount of dollars by going to a D2?

Aside from scholarships, how will it cost more to drive 30 minutes to WSSU?



You don't get the gate for a non-conference game.  That could be a big loss.  You want your non-conference games to be at home or a money game.  Just my thoughts. 

Understandable but that could easily be recouped if the AD schedules a team fans want to see. If NCAT played TnSU in Greensboro a week later, that game would be packed.

No one in Greensboro cares about TSU. The band maybe , but football wise nah.

The only schools i could see packing out Aggie Stadium would be Southern or Jackson State. And that would be strictly because people have never seen those bands in Greensboro and they have a national profile in the band world

Tennessee State has a very large alumni chapter here in Charlotte and also has a large base between Virginia and NC.

Your fan base, including those locals, would come out for a premier HBCU. That AD of your is going to kill your fan base.

Looking at their FB page , they have 9 members but ok. If they have such this large base , why are they never in NC , SC or VA?


Our Fan Base and locals are going to come out when its warm and when we are winning. Your giving way to much credit to the average HBCU fan knowledge of other schools

And our AD is doing an amazing job. We just led the MEAC in attendance. WSSU will be making a guest spot and he has other deals in the works for our program. Earl Hilton is one of the best in FCS. And he has the award to prove it
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Professor on December 01, 2020, 02:00:52 PM
Good to finally get the game. :clap:

Good deal for A&T. ::)

BAD deal for WSSU. :no:

At least the trash talk has begun! ;D



Wait...wait...what? A bad deal for WSSU? How? The rams stand to make around $50K from this deal. That's higher then our standard payout for a D2 school. Did you really think it was going to be "home and home"...or you were gonna get half of the gate at A&T.  :shrug: :crazy:

AAMU and Tuskegee have recently done home-and-home deals and they're hours apart.

For WSSU to be 30 minutes away and have a 20K seat stadium, they are getting ripped off by not having the Aggies return the trip. They could stand to make at least $500K from ticket sales at $25 per ticket.

From what i can find, AA&M and Tuskegee did a 4 year deal..... 2 at AA&M , 1 at a neutral site and 1 at WSSU

WSSU doesn't make that much on ANY GAME, so why should they pimp us. lol.

Aside from your Homecoming and NCCU, neither do yall.

If AAMU and Tuskegee can have a home-and-home series, clearly yall can, too, especially since both of your stadiums are the same size.

If you were the AD at JSU, would you agree to do a home-home with D2 Miles or Tuskegee? Why or why not?

With an out of state HBCU, nah.

If Tougaloo had a team and had a 30K seat stadium, I wouldn't have a problem with it. I'm all about supporting smaller HBCUs. For WSSU, $50k every year is way less than $500K every other year.

Since it does cost more to put an FCS on the field than it does a D2, why should the FCS stand to lose that amount of dollars by going to a D2?

Aside from scholarships, how will it cost more to drive 30 minutes to WSSU?



You don't get the gate for a non-conference game.  That could be a big loss.  You want your non-conference games to be at home or a money game.  Just my thoughts. 

Understandable but that could easily be recouped if the AD schedules a team fans want to see. If NCAT played TnSU in Greensboro a week later, that game would be packed.

No one in Greensboro cares about TSU. The band maybe , but football wise nah.

The only schools i could see packing out Aggie Stadium would be Southern or Jackson State.[/size][/s] WSSU. And that would be strictly because people have never seen those bands in Greensboro and they have a national profile in the band world

Hade to fix that for you.

We are talking other than WSSU? lol
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: DRUMMA1 on December 01, 2020, 02:18:42 PM
Good to finally get the game. :clap:

Good deal for A&T. ::)

BAD deal for WSSU. :no:

At least the trash talk has begun! ;D



Wait...wait...what? A bad deal for WSSU? How? The rams stand to make around $50K from this deal. That's higher then our standard payout for a D2 school. Did you really think it was going to be "home and home"...or you were gonna get half of the gate at A&T.  :shrug: :crazy:

AAMU and Tuskegee have recently done home-and-home deals and they're hours apart.

For WSSU to be 30 minutes away and have a 20K seat stadium, they are getting ripped off by not having the Aggies return the trip. They could stand to make at least $500K from ticket sales at $25 per ticket.

From what i can find, AA&M and Tuskegee did a 4 year deal..... 2 at AA&M , 1 at a neutral site and 1 at WSSU

WSSU doesn't make that much on ANY GAME, so why should they pimp us. lol.

Aside from your Homecoming and NCCU, neither do yall.

If AAMU and Tuskegee can have a home-and-home series, clearly yall can, too, especially since both of your stadiums are the same size.

If you were the AD at JSU, would you agree to do a home-home with D2 Miles or Tuskegee? Why or why not?

With an out of state HBCU, nah.

If Tougaloo had a team and had a 30K seat stadium, I wouldn't have a problem with it. I'm all about supporting smaller HBCUs. For WSSU, $50k every year is way less than $500K every other year.

Since it does cost more to put an FCS on the field than it does a D2, why should the FCS stand to lose that amount of dollars by going to a D2?

Aside from scholarships, how will it cost more to drive 30 minutes to WSSU?



You don't get the gate for a non-conference game.  That could be a big loss.  You want your non-conference games to be at home or a money game.  Just my thoughts. 

Understandable but that could easily be recouped if the AD schedules a team fans want to see. If NCAT played TnSU in Greensboro a week later, that game would be packed.

No one in Greensboro cares about TSU. The band maybe , but football wise nah.

The only schools i could see packing out Aggie Stadium would be Southern or Jackson State. And that would be strictly because people have never seen those bands in Greensboro and they have a national profile in the band world

Tennessee State has a very large alumni chapter here in Charlotte and also has a large base between Virginia and NC.

Your fan base, including those locals, would come out for a premier HBCU. That AD of your is going to kill your fan base.

Looking at their FB page , they have 9 members but ok. If they have such this large base , why are they never in NC , SC or VA?


Our Fan Base and locals are going to come out when its warm and when we are winning. Your giving way to much credit to the average HBCU fan knowledge of other schools

And our AD is doing an amazing job. We just led the MEAC in attendance. WSSU will be making a guest spot and he has other deals in the works for our program. Earl Hilton is one of the best in FCS. And he has the award to prove it

Oh okay.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Professor on December 01, 2020, 04:02:01 PM

North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University Intercollegiate Athletics Director Earl M. Hilton III has been named an Under Armour Athletics Director of the Year for NCAA FCS institutions, the National Association of Collegiate Directors of Athletics announced today.


The Under Armour awards program was created to honor intercollegiate directors of athletics for commitment and administrative excellence within a campus or college community environment over the past year. The awards span seven divisions -- NCAA FBS, FCS, Division I-AAA, II, III, NAIA/Other Four-Year Institutions and Junior/Community Colleges -- and annually honor 28 athletics directors (four from each division).


Hilton has served as A&T athletics director for eight years, leading its 17 Division I sports teams from challenging circumstances to unprecedented success on the field and in the classroom. Under Hilton, the Aggies have won a combined 26 conference regular-season, championship meets or tournament championship titles, played in 11 post-season bowl or tournament games and they have won seven games or matches there.




Link for Hilton Named NCAA FCS Under Armor AD of the Year in 2019

https://ncataggies.com/news/2019/3/11/211795094.aspx#:~:text=EAST%20GREENSBORO%2C%20N.C.%20%E2%80%93North%20Carolina,Directors%20of%20Athletics%20announced%20today. (https://ncataggies.com/news/2019/3/11/211795094.aspx#:~:text=EAST%20GREENSBORO%2C%20N.C.%20%E2%80%93North%20Carolina,Directors%20of%20Athletics%20announced%20today.)
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Ram55 on December 01, 2020, 04:14:29 PM
Good to finally get the game. :clap:

Good deal for A&T. ::)

BAD deal for WSSU. :no:

At least the trash talk has begun! ;D



Wait...wait...what? A bad deal for WSSU? How? The rams stand to make around $50K from this deal. That's higher then our standard payout for a D2 school. Did you really think it was going to be "home and home"...or you were gonna get half of the gate at A&T.  :shrug: :crazy:

AAMU and Tuskegee have recently done home-and-home deals and they're hours apart.

For WSSU to be 30 minutes away and have a 20K seat stadium, they are getting ripped off by not having the Aggies return the trip. They could stand to make at least $500K from ticket sales at $25 per ticket.

From what i can find, AA&M and Tuskegee did a 4 year deal..... 2 at AA&M , 1 at a neutral site and 1 at WSSU

WSSU doesn't make that much on ANY GAME, so why should they pimp us. lol.

Aside from your Homecoming and NCCU, neither do yall.

If AAMU and Tuskegee can have a home-and-home series, clearly yall can, too, especially since both of your stadiums are the same size.

If you were the AD at JSU, would you agree to do a home-home with D2 Miles or Tuskegee? Why or why not?

With an out of state HBCU, nah.

If Tougaloo had a team and had a 30K seat stadium, I wouldn't have a problem with it. I'm all about supporting smaller HBCUs. For WSSU, $50k every year is way less than $500K every other year.

Since it does cost more to put an FCS on the field than it does a D2, why should the FCS stand to lose that amount of dollars by going to a D2?

Aside from scholarships, how will it cost more to drive 30 minutes to WSSU?



You don't get the gate for a non-conference game.  That could be a big loss.  You want your non-conference games to be at home or a money game.  Just my thoughts. 

Understandable but that could easily be recouped if the AD schedules a team fans want to see. If NCAT played TnSU in Greensboro a week later, that game would be packed.

No one in Greensboro cares about TSU. The band maybe , but football wise nah.

The only schools i could see packing out Aggie Stadium would be Southern or Jackson State.[/size][/s] WSSU. And that would be strictly because people have never seen those bands in Greensboro and they have a national profile in the band world

Hade to fix that for you.

We are talking other than WSSU? lol

But yet you claim we're insignificant. Like I have been saying, WSSU is your biggest draw and you are too arrogant to admit that and show the same respect that two schools that draw well should have. Some of you Aggies are jokes.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Professor on December 01, 2020, 04:28:06 PM
For the life of me , i don't get why you think WSSU is so important to A&T. We have literally won several MEAC championships and HBCU titles without playing WSSU in Football. We have maintained being in the top 10 of FCS attendance.

All the while not playing WSSU? So why do feel ya'll are so important to what happens on 1601 East Market Street   
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Oldschoolram on December 14, 2020, 11:49:21 AM
A LOT of stuff has been opined since I replied earlier.

96 it IS a bad deal for WSSU.

Decks it might be bad to do business with OTHER D2 schools...Punchy you still don't get it.

Both of you, Pickle + Professor, whoever was sitting at the table on our side sold us short, and you know it. Decks you asked "Who takes less......?" I won't comment on the two main reasons I think it turned out this way................

"We don't get the gate on the road......" that's why the home team writes a check to the visitors. Folks keep acting like a trip to Winston would be without a payout, AND like it is a REAL road trip.

Your AD getting awards just means more stuff on his "I Love Me" wall.  Our previous AD got a LOT of awards.  Her shortcomings eventually got exposed.


We're important to you because it is IMHO the GREATEST HBCU basketball rivalry of all time. Once we became relative in football the rivalry heightened.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: eagle pride on December 14, 2020, 11:56:21 AM
What did WSSU get by going back to the CIAA? :shrug:  Your largest draws are div. 1. 
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Aggie Blues on December 14, 2020, 04:00:02 PM
Good to finally get the game. :clap:

Good deal for A&T. ::)

BAD deal for WSSU. :no:

At least the trash talk has begun! ;D


Wait...wait...what? A bad deal for WSSU? How? The rams stand to make around $50K from this deal. That's higher then our standard payout for a D2 school. Did you really think it was going to be "home and home"...or you were gonna get half of the gate at A&T.  :shrug: :crazy:

AAMU and Tuskegee have recently done home-and-home deals and they're hours apart.

For WSSU to be 30 minutes away and have a 20K seat stadium, they are getting ripped off by not having the Aggies return the trip. They could stand to make at least $500K from ticket sales at $25 per ticket.
Is this $500K before or after the city of Winston Taxes that @$$? remember they don't own their stadium and don't get revenue from parking or concessions. WSSU also pays upwards of $3800 per event held at BG and that is a 2012 figure, with yearly increases up to 3%


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Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Ram55 on December 14, 2020, 04:39:02 PM
What did WSSU get by going back to the CIAA? :shrug:  Your largest draws are div. 1.

We got plenty for going back to the CIAA... Less than eight years ago we played for a national championship in football. Our baseball teams were some of the best in our region of the country. Even playing both NCCU and A&T wasn't enough to live in DI. We were/are basically a basketball school, and playing in a division we couldn't compete in was frustrating. There is no reason a small school, with just over 6,000 students and a budget one tenth the size of other real DI schools, should have been playing power five schools. We were always irrelevant at the DI level. So, if winning moral victories every few years is okay with you, then DI is the place for you. However, if you want to compete with like schools and be somebody then DII is best. Ya'll won a national championship at the DII level in basketball... remember that feeling you had.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: A&T AGGIE 96 on December 14, 2020, 05:10:25 PM
Oldschool, the rams got a great deal.

Better than A&T would give any other D2 program.   The administration at wssu recognized hat that, sat at the table and signed the deal. If what is offered doesn’t work for you walk away, the Aggies will be fine...we stopped playing the rams over 10 years ago and didn’t look back...the rams on the schedule is a bonus, not a requirement or necessity.

55, if going back to D2 works for the rams that fine. I got no issue with that do what works best for wssu. With that you lose games with with schools you claim are your most heated rivals. Moving forward the rams will travel to Durham or Greensboro and take a payout like any other D2 team.

Period.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: eagle pride on December 14, 2020, 07:08:10 PM
Oldschool, the rams got a great deal.

Better than A&T would give any other D2 program.   The administration at wssu recognized hat that, sat at the table and signed the deal. If what is offered doesn’t work for you walk away, the Aggies will be fine...we stopped playing the rams over 10 years ago and didn’t look back...the rams on the schedule is a bonus, not a requirement or necessity.

55, if going back to D2 works for the rams that fine. I got no issue with that do what works best for wssu. With that you lose games with with schools you claim are your most heated rivals. Moving forward the rams will travel to Durham or Greensboro and take a payout like any other D2 team.

Period.



Exactly!  It is what it is.  I am glad we will be playing next year.  Not sure if the Eagles would travel to Winston.  IDK, money talks.  I will be there if they do. WSSU would have been fine if they would have stayed the course.   
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Oldschoolram on December 14, 2020, 07:25:24 PM
What did WSSU get by going back to the CIAA? :shrug:  Your largest draws are div. 1.

Exactly.  Well, it made Ram CIAA fans happy.

While 55 makes some points about on the field, we're still broke.  All that stuff we've done since returning to D2 few people know about it outside our domain.

96, the administration at WSSU didn't know better. Again, they sold us short. You must have been at the table and they believed you.  :nod: 

Blues we do get parking now. :)
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: DRUMMA1 on December 14, 2020, 09:46:31 PM
Good to finally get the game. :clap:

Good deal for A&T. ::)

BAD deal for WSSU. :no:

At least the trash talk has begun! ;D


Wait...wait...what? A bad deal for WSSU? How? The rams stand to make around $50K from this deal. That's higher then our standard payout for a D2 school. Did you really think it was going to be "home and home"...or you were gonna get half of the gate at A&T.  :shrug: :crazy:

AAMU and Tuskegee have recently done home-and-home deals and they're hours apart.

For WSSU to be 30 minutes away and have a 20K seat stadium, they are getting ripped off by not having the Aggies return the trip. They could stand to make at least $500K from ticket sales at $25 per ticket.
Is this $500K before or after the city of Winston Taxes that @$$? remember they don't own their stadium and don't get revenue from parking or concessions. WSSU also pays upwards of $3800 per event held at BG and that is a 2012 figure, with yearly increases up to 3%


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Add those numbers together and subtract it from potentially $500K in ticket sales.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Ram55 on December 15, 2020, 09:08:54 AM
What did WSSU get by going back to the CIAA? :shrug:  Your largest draws are div. 1.

Exactly.  Well, it made Ram CIAA fans happy.

While 55 makes some points about on the field, we're still broke.  All that stuff we've done since returning to D2 few people know about it outside our domain.

96, the administration at WSSU didn't know better. Again, they sold us short. You must have been at the table and they believed you.  :nod: 

Blues we do get parking now. :)

I don't think playing one game is a sell out on our part. Now if this is more than one game, then you would be right. Right now A&T is on a roll and can't smell their own crap. However things change with time. Remember we were on a roll not to long ago that was far more impressive than theirs, but things changed and they will again. They not long ago they was the worst team in the country. And that could happen again soon as well. In the end they will be playing in Winston. Just wait and see. NO HBCU in the country will consistently turn down games that draw 22,000 - 31,000 fans, regardless of how arrogant their fans become.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: A&T AGGIE 96 on December 15, 2020, 02:11:40 PM
What did WSSU get by going back to the CIAA? :shrug:  Your largest draws are div. 1.

Exactly.  Well, it made Ram CIAA fans happy.

While 55 makes some points about on the field, we're still broke.  All that stuff we've done since returning to D2 few people know about it outside our domain.

96, the administration at WSSU didn't know better. Again, they sold us short. You must have been at the table and they believed you.  :nod: 

Blues we do get parking now. :)

Come on Oldschool...wssu admin didn't sell you short, the rams have no leverage when it comes to this game. Your admins negotiated for the best deal they could get from A&T. If the rams pushed A&T too far with that "home and home" or split gate foolishness they knew the Aggies would walk.

We don't need this game...and haven't played it for over 10 years now as proof.

This is a good deal for a D2 program. I'm sure A&T and the birds have no problem with wssu as regulars on our respective schedules. That said the idea that we will approach this game as equals is long gone. As I stated before...if wssu wants to play, you will travel to Durham and Greensboro. No amount of begging or trash talk is going to change that. 
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: A&T AGGIE 96 on December 15, 2020, 02:19:59 PM
What did WSSU get by going back to the CIAA? :shrug:  Your largest draws are div. 1.

Exactly.  Well, it made Ram CIAA fans happy.

While 55 makes some points about on the field, we're still broke.  All that stuff we've done since returning to D2 few people know about it outside our domain.

96, the administration at WSSU didn't know better. Again, they sold us short. You must have been at the table and they believed you.  :nod: 

Blues we do get parking now. :)

I don't think playing one game is a sell out on our part. Now if this is more than one game, then you would be right. Right now A&T is on a roll and can't smell their own crap. However things change with time. Remember we were on a roll not to long ago that was far more impressive than theirs, but things changed and they will again. They not long ago they was the worst team in the country. And that could happen again soon as well. In the end they will be playing in Winston. Just wait and see. NO HBCU in the country will consistently turn down games that draw 22,000 - 31,000 fans, regardless of how arrogant their fans become.

If in "the end" means wssu returns to D1 then I'm all for playing the rams in Winston. Home and home for FCS schools is the norm. However, if in "then end" means a return to days of the CIAA or MEAC from the 70s, 80s, or 90s then you are fooling yourself.

The Aggies moved on, then the rams moved up...then the rams moved back...and the Aggies moved on.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: eagle pride on December 15, 2020, 06:48:40 PM
Yup, Hope those Rams beat those aggies like they stole something.  :dedhorse:  Have to support our black conference.  :tongue2:
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Ram55 on December 16, 2020, 08:20:48 AM
What did WSSU get by going back to the CIAA? :shrug:  Your largest draws are div. 1.

Exactly.  Well, it made Ram CIAA fans happy.

While 55 makes some points about on the field, we're still broke.  All that stuff we've done since returning to D2 few people know about it outside our domain.

96, the administration at WSSU didn't know better. Again, they sold us short. You must have been at the table and they believed you.  :nod: 

Blues we do get parking now. :)

Come on Oldschool...wssu admin didn't sell you short, the rams have no leverage when it comes to this game. Your admins negotiated for the best deal they could get from A&T. If the rams pushed A&T too far with that "home and home" or split gate foolishness they knew the Aggies would walk.

We don't need this game...and haven't played it for over 10 years now as proof.

This is a good deal for a D2 program. I'm sure A&T and the birds have no problem with wssu as regulars on our respective schedules. That said the idea that we will approach this game as equals is long gone. As I stated before...if wssu wants to play, you will travel to Durham and Greensboro. No amount of begging or trash talk is going to change that.

Wow! You sound like one of the officials that makes the decisions.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: oleschoolaggie on December 16, 2020, 02:13:31 PM
In the end they will be playing in Winston. Just wait and see. NO HBCU in the country will consistently turn down games that draw 22,000 - 31,000 fans, regardless of how arrogant their fans become.
you said the same thing 10 years ago, yet no a&t game on the schedule since!  good thing you didn’t hold your breath waiting on a&t to come to winston… :lmao:
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Ram55 on December 16, 2020, 03:45:36 PM
In the end they will be playing in Winston. Just wait and see. NO HBCU in the country will consistently turn down games that draw 22,000 - 31,000 fans, regardless of how arrogant their fans become.
you said the same thing 10 years ago, yet no a&t game on the schedule since!  good thing you didn’t hold your breath waiting on a&t to come to winston… :lmao:

oleschoolaggie - Sometimes I think you are a smart Aggie, but right now....  :lol:
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Professor on December 17, 2020, 10:12:42 AM
Good to finally get the game. :clap:

Good deal for A&T. ::)

BAD deal for WSSU. :no:

At least the trash talk has begun! ;D



Wait...wait...what? A bad deal for WSSU? How? The rams stand to make around $50K from this deal. That's higher then our standard payout for a D2 school. Did you really think it was going to be "home and home"...or you were gonna get half of the gate at A&T.  :shrug: :crazy:

AAMU and Tuskegee have recently done home-and-home deals and they're hours apart.

For WSSU to be 30 minutes away and have a 20K seat stadium, they are getting ripped off by not having the Aggies return the trip. They could stand to make at least $500K from ticket sales at $25 per ticket.

From what i can find, AA&M and Tuskegee did a 4 year deal..... 2 at AA&M , 1 at a neutral site and 1 at WSSU

WSSU doesn't make that much on ANY GAME, so why should they pimp us. lol.

Aside from your Homecoming and NCCU, neither do yall.

If AAMU and Tuskegee can have a home-and-home series, clearly yall can, too, especially since both of your stadiums are the same size.

If you were the AD at JSU, would you agree to do a home-home with D2 Miles or Tuskegee? Why or why not?

With an out of state HBCU, nah.

If Tougaloo had a team and had a 30K seat stadium, I wouldn't have a problem with it. I'm all about supporting smaller HBCUs. For WSSU, $50k every year is way less than $500K every other year.

Since it does cost more to put an FCS on the field than it does a D2, why should the FCS stand to lose that amount of dollars by going to a D2?

Aside from scholarships, how will it cost more to drive 30 minutes to WSSU?



You don't get the gate for a non-conference game.  That could be a big loss.  You want your non-conference games to be at home or a money game.  Just my thoughts.

Exactly and that's how you make money
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: A&T AGGIE 96 on December 17, 2020, 10:42:56 AM
In the end they will be playing in Winston. Just wait and see. NO HBCU in the country will consistently turn down games that draw 22,000 - 31,000 fans, regardless of how arrogant their fans become.
you said the same thing 10 years ago, yet no a&t game on the schedule since!  good thing you didn’t hold your breath waiting on a&t to come to winston… :lmao:

I wouldn't mind keeping a North Carolina based D2 on the schedule. I am a big fan of staying local whenever we can. The rams would be a no brainer since they are right down the street, but the sports landscape has changed so much that's not likely to ever happen. Now that we have moved on to the Big South our OOC games will include a money game, and most likely other local D1 teams (Regional FCS and FCS HBCUs).

Things are tough for the rams right now, and I get that...however, a strategic plan to move wssu back to D1 needs to be put in place. You are being left behind...yeah, I said it! If you rams really see A&T and Central as your rivals you must ask some serious questions about where the program is and wants to go.

To the Aggies and birds, the rams are an after thought. You can beg, fuss, and talk smack all you want...the truth is the truth. An Aggie or eagle schedule that doesn't include the rams is now the norm.

I have to applaud the new wssu admin for getting back at the table and working deals with central and A&T. The writing was on the wall for sure after a decade. 
 
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Professor on December 17, 2020, 11:31:34 AM
Good to finally get the game. :clap:

Good deal for A&T. ::)

BAD deal for WSSU. :no:

At least the trash talk has begun! ;D



Wait...wait...what? A bad deal for WSSU? How? The rams stand to make around $50K from this deal. That's higher then our standard payout for a D2 school. Did you really think it was going to be "home and home"...or you were gonna get half of the gate at A&T.  :shrug: :crazy:

AAMU and Tuskegee have recently done home-and-home deals and they're hours apart.

For WSSU to be 30 minutes away and have a 20K seat stadium, they are getting ripped off by not having the Aggies return the trip. They could stand to make at least $500K from ticket sales at $25 per ticket.

From what i can find, AA&M and Tuskegee did a 4 year deal..... 2 at AA&M , 1 at a neutral site and 1 at WSSU

WSSU doesn't make that much on ANY GAME, so why should they pimp us. lol.

Aside from your Homecoming and NCCU, neither do yall.

If AAMU and Tuskegee can have a home-and-home series, clearly yall can, too, especially since both of your stadiums are the same size.

If you were the AD at JSU, would you agree to do a home-home with D2 Miles or Tuskegee? Why or why not?

With an out of state HBCU, nah.

If Tougaloo had a team and had a 30K seat stadium, I wouldn't have a problem with it. I'm all about supporting smaller HBCUs. For WSSU, $50k every year is way less than $500K every other year.

Since it does cost more to put an FCS on the field than it does a D2, why should the FCS stand to lose that amount of dollars by going to a D2?

Aside from scholarships, how will it cost more to drive 30 minutes to WSSU?



You don't get the gate for a non-conference game.  That could be a big loss.  You want your non-conference games to be at home or a money game.  Just my thoughts. 

Understandable but that could easily be recouped if the AD schedules a team fans want to see. If NCAT played TnSU in Greensboro a week later, that game would be packed.

No one in Greensboro cares about TSU. The band maybe , but football wise nah.

The only schools i could see packing out Aggie Stadium would be Southern or Jackson State. And that would be strictly because people have never seen those bands in Greensboro and they have a national profile in the band world

Tennessee State has a very large alumni chapter here in Charlotte and also has a large base between Virginia and NC.

Your fan base, including those locals, would come out for a premier HBCU. That AD of your is going to kill your fan base.

If Tennessee State has this big fan base in NC and VA , why do they never play here. According to our media guide , they haven't been to Greensboro since 85.

We played them in 99 in playoffs in TN , 2000 in Cincinnati OH in Riverfront Shootout , 2005 in CCC and 2010 in CCC

If it was such a market for the game , it would happen
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: DRUMMA1 on December 17, 2020, 03:48:36 PM
Good to finally get the game. :clap:

Good deal for A&T. ::)

BAD deal for WSSU. :no:

At least the trash talk has begun! ;D



Wait...wait...what? A bad deal for WSSU? How? The rams stand to make around $50K from this deal. That's higher then our standard payout for a D2 school. Did you really think it was going to be "home and home"...or you were gonna get half of the gate at A&T.  :shrug: :crazy:

AAMU and Tuskegee have recently done home-and-home deals and they're hours apart.

For WSSU to be 30 minutes away and have a 20K seat stadium, they are getting ripped off by not having the Aggies return the trip. They could stand to make at least $500K from ticket sales at $25 per ticket.

From what i can find, AA&M and Tuskegee did a 4 year deal..... 2 at AA&M , 1 at a neutral site and 1 at WSSU

WSSU doesn't make that much on ANY GAME, so why should they pimp us. lol.

Aside from your Homecoming and NCCU, neither do yall.

If AAMU and Tuskegee can have a home-and-home series, clearly yall can, too, especially since both of your stadiums are the same size.

If you were the AD at JSU, would you agree to do a home-home with D2 Miles or Tuskegee? Why or why not?

With an out of state HBCU, nah.

If Tougaloo had a team and had a 30K seat stadium, I wouldn't have a problem with it. I'm all about supporting smaller HBCUs. For WSSU, $50k every year is way less than $500K every other year.

Since it does cost more to put an FCS on the field than it does a D2, why should the FCS stand to lose that amount of dollars by going to a D2?

Aside from scholarships, how will it cost more to drive 30 minutes to WSSU?



You don't get the gate for a non-conference game.  That could be a big loss.  You want your non-conference games to be at home or a money game.  Just my thoughts. 

Understandable but that could easily be recouped if the AD schedules a team fans want to see. If NCAT played TnSU in Greensboro a week later, that game would be packed.

No one in Greensboro cares about TSU. The band maybe , but football wise nah.

The only schools i could see packing out Aggie Stadium would be Southern or Jackson State. And that would be strictly because people have never seen those bands in Greensboro and they have a national profile in the band world

Tennessee State has a very large alumni chapter here in Charlotte and also has a large base between Virginia and NC.

Your fan base, including those locals, would come out for a premier HBCU. That AD of your is going to kill your fan base.

If Tennessee State has this big fan base in NC and VA , why do they never play here. According to our media guide , they haven't been to Greensboro since 85.

We played them in 99 in playoffs in TN , 2000 in Cincinnati OH in Riverfront Shootout , 2005 in CCC and 2010 in CCC

If it was such a market for the game , it would happen

Several of the Tennessee State sports teams have played here in recent years. Their MBB team played A&T in Greensboro last year.

If your AD isn't trying to schedule them, if becomes tough for them to play up around these parts.
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Professor on December 17, 2020, 03:54:16 PM
Good to finally get the game. :clap:

Good deal for A&T. ::)

BAD deal for WSSU. :no:

At least the trash talk has begun! ;D



Wait...wait...what? A bad deal for WSSU? How? The rams stand to make around $50K from this deal. That's higher then our standard payout for a D2 school. Did you really think it was going to be "home and home"...or you were gonna get half of the gate at A&T.  :shrug: :crazy:

AAMU and Tuskegee have recently done home-and-home deals and they're hours apart.

For WSSU to be 30 minutes away and have a 20K seat stadium, they are getting ripped off by not having the Aggies return the trip. They could stand to make at least $500K from ticket sales at $25 per ticket.

From what i can find, AA&M and Tuskegee did a 4 year deal..... 2 at AA&M , 1 at a neutral site and 1 at WSSU

WSSU doesn't make that much on ANY GAME, so why should they pimp us. lol.

Aside from your Homecoming and NCCU, neither do yall.

If AAMU and Tuskegee can have a home-and-home series, clearly yall can, too, especially since both of your stadiums are the same size.

If you were the AD at JSU, would you agree to do a home-home with D2 Miles or Tuskegee? Why or why not?

With an out of state HBCU, nah.

If Tougaloo had a team and had a 30K seat stadium, I wouldn't have a problem with it. I'm all about supporting smaller HBCUs. For WSSU, $50k every year is way less than $500K every other year.

Since it does cost more to put an FCS on the field than it does a D2, why should the FCS stand to lose that amount of dollars by going to a D2?

Aside from scholarships, how will it cost more to drive 30 minutes to WSSU?



You don't get the gate for a non-conference game.  That could be a big loss.  You want your non-conference games to be at home or a money game.  Just my thoughts. 

Understandable but that could easily be recouped if the AD schedules a team fans want to see. If NCAT played TnSU in Greensboro a week later, that game would be packed.

No one in Greensboro cares about TSU. The band maybe , but football wise nah.

The only schools i could see packing out Aggie Stadium would be Southern or Jackson State. And that would be strictly because people have never seen those bands in Greensboro and they have a national profile in the band world

Tennessee State has a very large alumni chapter here in Charlotte and also has a large base between Virginia and NC.

Your fan base, including those locals, would come out for a premier HBCU. That AD of your is going to kill your fan base.

If Tennessee State has this big fan base in NC and VA , why do they never play here. According to our media guide , they haven't been to Greensboro since 85.

We played them in 99 in playoffs in TN , 2000 in Cincinnati OH in Riverfront Shootout , 2005 in CCC and 2010 in CCC

If it was such a market for the game , it would happen

Several of the Tennessee State sports teams have played here in recent years. Their MBB team played A&T in Greensboro last year.

If your AD isn't trying to schedule them, if becomes tough for them to play up around these parts.

TSU had a home with us in 17-18 and 18-19. They played here on 12/15/17. It was 500 people at that game. Where was this rabid TSU fanbase that lives in Charlotte on that day?

You might wanna see us play them but no cares about TSU around here.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/recap?gameId=400990932
Title: Re: Aggies and Rams to Play in 2024
Post by: Decks on December 17, 2020, 05:42:38 PM
All this talk about attendance doesn't mean jack if you're not making money. What good is it to have 60k fans but 1/2 are getting in on comps or reduced price tickets? I like our business model. We charge a premium price for our tickets and we are still top 10 in fcs attendance, top 25 in revenue and top twenty five in football rankings. I'd say we're in a good place.  :nod: :nod: 

1. James Madison — $10.7 million
2. Montana State — $8.7 million
3. Montana — $8.6 million
4. Delaware — $8.3 million
5. Fordham — $7.6 million
6. Furman — $7.4 million
7. William & Mary — $7.1 million
8. Richmond — $7 million
9. Lafayette — $6.8 million
10. Villanova — $6.76 million
11. Colgate — $6.74 million
12. Eastern Washington — $6.73 million
13. Alabama A&M — $6.5 million
14. Bucknell — $6.2 million
15. North Dakota State — $6.048 million
16. Elon — $6.043 million
17. Lehigh — $5.97 million
18. Samford — $5.94 million
19. UC Davis — $5.75 million
20. The Citadel — $5.73 million
21. North Carolina A&T — $5.61 million
22. Holy Cross — $5.6 million
23. Wofford — $5.53 million
24. Sacramento State — $5.52 million
25. Idaho — $5.52 million





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